History Series / ThePacific

12th Feb '17 11:46:01 AM Mikedem2
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* DarkerAndEdgier: Many people have noted that ''The Pacific'' is much more brutal and less romantic than its predecessor
''Series/BandOfBrothers''. ''Band of Brothers'' wasn't a picnic but ''The Pacific'' went much more into the horrific conditions of the Pacific Theater and the mental and emotional scarring afterwards. Given that the Pacific Theater was more brutal overall, this is [[JustifiedTrope justified]]. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Originally]], one of the veterans interviewed for the series was to be Bill Guarnere from ''[=BoB=]'', though this was later cut. Guarnere has said in no uncertain terms that as bad as the War in Europe was, the Marines in the Pacific had it even ''[[UpToEleven worse]]''.

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* DarkerAndEdgier: Many people have noted that ''The Pacific'' is much more brutal and less romantic than its predecessor
predecessor ''Series/BandOfBrothers''. ''Band of Brothers'' wasn't a picnic but ''The Pacific'' went much more into the horrific conditions of the Pacific Theater and the mental and emotional scarring afterwards. Given that the Pacific Theater was more brutal overall, this is [[JustifiedTrope justified]]. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Originally]], one of the veterans interviewed for the series was to be Bill Guarnere from ''[=BoB=]'', though this was later cut. Guarnere has said in no uncertain terms that as bad as the War in Europe was, the Marines in the Pacific had it even ''[[UpToEleven worse]]''.


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-->'''Sledge:''' Why don't they just surrender?
-->'''Burgin:''' Because they're ''Japs.''
12th Feb '17 11:38:05 AM Mikedem2
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* AdaptedOut: Sledge's 6 months of Occupation duty in China are left out.



* ConditionedToAcceptHorror: The longer the marines serve on the frontlines knee deep in mud and rotting bodies, the more exhausted and apathetic they get about the violence and death around them.
* DarkerAndEdgier: Many people have noted that ''The Pacific'' is much more brutal and less romantic than its predecessor ''Series/BandOfBrothers''. ''Band of Brothers'' wasn't a picnic but ''The Pacific'' went much more into the horrific conditions of the Pacific Theater and the mental and emotional scarring afterwards. Given that the Pacific Theater was more brutal overall, this is [[JustifiedTrope justified]]. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Originally]], one of the veterans interviewed for the series was to be Bill Guarnere from ''[=BoB=]'', though this was later cut. Guarnere has said in no uncertain terms that as bad as the War in Europe was, the Marines in the Pacific had it even ''[[UpToEleven worse]]''.

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* ConditionedToAcceptHorror: The longer the marines serve on the frontlines knee deep in mud and rotting bodies, the more exhausted and apathetic they get are about the violence and death around surrounding them.
* CurbstompBattle: Leckie's first battle with the Japanese on Guadalcanal; the Japanese troops try to rush their strongpoint in Alligator Creek and suffer over 700 dead, to only 44 marine casualties. When the sun rises after the battle the beaches and sandbars are covered in corpses.
** The next major battle near Henderson Field is even worse, there are so many dead Japanese that Sgt. Basilone has to run out and push the pile down so his machine guns have a clear line of fire.
* DarkerAndEdgier: Many people have noted that ''The Pacific'' is much more brutal and less romantic than its predecessor predecessor
''Series/BandOfBrothers''. ''Band of Brothers'' wasn't a picnic but ''The Pacific'' went much more into the horrific conditions of the Pacific Theater and the mental and emotional scarring afterwards. Given that the Pacific Theater was more brutal overall, this is [[JustifiedTrope justified]]. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Originally]], one of the veterans interviewed for the series was to be Bill Guarnere from ''[=BoB=]'', though this was later cut. Guarnere has said in no uncertain terms that as bad as the War in Europe was, the Marines in the Pacific had it even ''[[UpToEleven worse]]''.


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* ParanoiaFuel: The Japanese love to launch night assaults, pouring out of the dark jungles right at the tired marines. They also frequently sent small teams of infiltrators to kill sleeping marines in their foxholes.
12th Feb '17 11:09:19 AM Mikedem2
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* AdultFear: Dr. Sledge is less afraid that his son will be killed or wounded in the war, but that he'll lose his soul to the violence and death. Considering he treated many WWI veterans for PTSD, he knows exactly what he's talking about.


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* ConditionedToAcceptHorror: The longer the marines serve on the frontlines knee deep in mud and rotting bodies, the more exhausted and apathetic they get about the violence and death around them.


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* TheMillstone: "Kathy" Peck, as depicted in the series, is a moody draftee whose actions get several of his comrades killed on Okinawa. When he freaks out and gets [[spoiler: Hamm killed, Sledge has him hauled off the lines in disgrace.]]
16th Jan '17 4:34:05 PM Rmpdc
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** The second episode has a similar massacre take place. Much like the first example, the Japanese really did take that heavy amount of casualties.
16th Jan '17 12:44:36 PM Morgenthaler
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* BlackAndGrayMorality: The Marines are the protagonists, but the series doesn't shy away from showing some of the heinous acts some of them did and racial epithets are used liberally. [[WarIsHell Brutal battlegrounds]] don't exactly encourage the best behavior from people. The only thing keeping the Japanese on the "black" side of the equation are acts like using civilians as suicide bombers and {{human shield}}s, as well as historical knowledge that ImperialJapan performed atrocities which were much, ''much'' worse.

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* BlackAndGrayMorality: The Marines are the protagonists, but the series doesn't shy away from showing some of the heinous acts some of them did and racial epithets are used liberally. [[WarIsHell Brutal battlegrounds]] don't exactly encourage the best behavior from people. The only thing keeping the Japanese on the "black" side of the equation are acts like using civilians as suicide bombers and {{human shield}}s, as well as historical knowledge that ImperialJapan UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan performed atrocities which were much, ''much'' worse.
21st Dec '16 2:45:23 PM Discar
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* AManIsNotAVirgin: Subverted with Sledge, who is unashamed that he retained his virginity all through the war.
13th Dec '16 4:56:11 AM Rmpdc
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* MidSeasonUpgrade: By part 4, the Marines switch from their old WWI-era weapons such as the [=M1903=] Springfield and [=M1917=] Browning to newer ones such as the [=M1=] Carbine, [=M1=] Garand, and [=M1919=] Browning. In addition, they also get new uniforms with camouflage on them.



* MidSeasonUpgrade: By part 4, the Marines switch from their old WWI-era weapons such as the [=M1903=] Springfield and [=M1917=] Browning to newer ones such as the [=M1=] Carbine, [=M1=] Garand, and [=M1919=] Browning. In addition, they also get new uniforms with camouflage on them.
13th Dec '16 4:29:00 AM Rmpdc
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* MidSeasonUpgrade: By part 4, the Marines switch from their old WWI-era weapons such as the [=M1903=] Springfield and [=M1917=] Browning to newer ones such as the [=M1=] Carbine, [=M1=] Garand, and [=M1919=] Browning. In addition, they also get new uniforms with camouflage on them.
10th Dec '16 7:05:14 PM Rmpdc
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* ImperialJapan: Natch. it's the Pacific Theater.

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* ImperialJapan: Natch. it's the Pacific Theater. While it's the Imperial Japanese Army that are the main antagonists the Marines have to face, the Imperial Japanese Navy gets a brief cameo in the first part, during the Battle of Savo Island.
29th Nov '16 7:54:22 PM LarryMullen
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: The show generally manages to keep this to a minimum, at the very least. Everything is ''so'' brutal, ''so'' muddy and shitty, and just so goddamned ''miserable'' that it is in no way glorious or jingoistic. The only real exception are scenes involving John Basilone, and, well, the guy was inspiring to his own in in real life, so it's hard for him to not come across as completely amazing. [[spoiler:Even he gets unceremoniously cut down at the end of episode 8, though, to the horror of just about everyone, his men included.]]
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