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22nd Jun '17 5:37:28 AM LittleBuster
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** And finally, most of the old straight HaremGenre works (especially the adaptation of VisualNovel like VisualNovel/Shuffle or VisualNovel/DaCapo) will now be perceived as stupid, unrealistic and indulging the audience, since, due to the years of ClicheStorm, most modern harems are firmly in the SupportingHarem zone in an attempt to depict the story more adequately.

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** And finally, most of the old straight HaremGenre works (especially the adaptation of VisualNovel like VisualNovel/Shuffle VisualNovel/{{Shuffle}} or VisualNovel/DaCapo) will now be perceived as stupid, silly, unrealistic and indulging the audience, since, due to the years of ClicheStorm, most modern harems are firmly in the SupportingHarem zone in an attempt to depict the story more adequately.
22nd Jun '17 5:34:30 AM LittleBuster
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* HaremGenre Has a lot of this among its settings, since the huge popularity of the genre has translated many of his cliches into this genre.
** At one time the idea of ​​ChildhoodFriendRomance as OneTrueLove was very popular and was considered sweet for the majority of the audience because of the sweet romantic charm. However, subsequently, a great many authors began to use this as a cliche and lazy justification for the central romantic line, for which it is now considered very boring and to the point of stupidity an obvious moment in a lot of romance.
** OrdinaryHighSchoolStudent or UnluckyEverydude used to be 90% of the protagonists of all such works, as it helped to make the main character closer to the audience. However, over the years, these trope have so often been abused and used to indulge the fantasies of the audience, that now it will be perceived as an obvious PanderingToTheBase even in old works.
** As well as the two examples above, ChickMagnet was originally a popular element of SweetDreamsFuel in similar works. Now it will be perceived as a lazy attempt for ill-founded erotica and artificial romance due to the excessive use of this element as the basis of most harems as such. Especially if in combination with the previous paragraph, the protonist is too simple and unremarkable to attract so many charming and popular girls.
** And finally, most of the old straight HaremGenre works (especially the adaptation of VisualNovel like VisualNovel/Shuffle or VisualNovel/DaCapo) will now be perceived as stupid, unrealistic and indulging the audience, since, due to the years of ClicheStorm, most modern harems are firmly in the SupportingHarem zone in an attempt to depict the story more adequately.
22nd Jun '17 4:52:57 AM tropower
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** Furthermore, while the ActionGirl is common in both eastern and western works today, both Jun the Swan and Sayaka Yumi (Mazinger Z) are contenders for the first action girl in anime.
15th Jun '17 10:09:03 AM DivineFlame100
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* Most SchoolgirlSeries from the zero years suffer from this, especially Manga/KOn, Manga/{{Azumanga}} and Manga/LuckyStar. In our time it is very difficult to believe that these works, intentionally dedicated to the most common things in the life of ordinary high school students, not only could become cult, but also to get TV series with more than 20+ episodes. This is partly due to the fact that these works were the first big success in this genre and they were copied many times during the distribution trend on {{Moe}} - anime, especially the adaptation of Creator/KyotoAnimation. In our time, most of these series are afraid to seem boring, so they almost never get more than 13 episodes and always try to depict as many unusual situations as possible, which makes the popularity of K-On or Azumanga somewhat incomprehensible to the modern viewer.

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* Most SchoolgirlSeries from the zero years suffer from this, especially Manga/KOn, Manga/{{Azumanga}} Manga/AzumangaDaioh, and Manga/LuckyStar. In our time time, it is very difficult to believe that these works, intentionally dedicated to the most common things in the life of ordinary high school students, not only could become cult, but also to huge cult successes that they get TV series with more than 20+ episodes. This is partly due to the fact that these works were the first big success successes in this genre and they were copied many times during the distribution trend on of {{Moe}} - anime, especially the adaptation of adaptations from Creator/KyotoAnimation. In our time, most of these series are afraid to seem boring, to be boring by comparison, so they almost never get more than 13 episodes and always try to depict as many unusual situations as possible, which makes the popularity of K-On or [=K-On=] and Azumanga somewhat incomprehensible to the modern viewer.viewers.
8th Jun '17 7:13:38 PM flamemario12
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8th Jun '17 9:52:30 AM LittleBuster
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* Most SchoolgirlSeries from the zero years suffer from this, especially Manga/KOn, Manga/{{Azumanga}} and Manga/LuckyStar. In our time it is very difficult to believe that these works, intentionally dedicated to the most common things in the life of ordinary high school students, not only could become cult, but also to get TV series with more than 20+ episodes. This is partly due to the fact that these works were the first big success in this genre and they were copied many times during the distribution trend on {{Moe}} - anime, especially the adaptation of Creator/KyotoAnimation. In our time, most of these series are afraid to seem boring, so they almost never get more than 13 episodes and always try to depict as many unusual situations as possible, which makes the popularity of K-On or Azumanga somewhat incomprehensible to the modern viewer.
28th May '17 5:47:38 PM MagBas
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* The {{Tsundere}} archetype as a whole is slowly starting to go down this path. There are several reasons for this. The {{Tsundere}} archetype was originally created to make certain female characters different from the usual submissive styled Japanese female characters in not just anime, but traditional Japanese stories as well. Originally, the character itself was just someone that had a harsh outer personality with a soft happy center, but was usually never outwardly violent. However, by the Early 2000's the aforementioned ''Manga/LoveHina'' took this concept to the point where people associate with them calling someone they were secretly in love with names, becoming increasingly jealous at any other female contact, and paired with an IdiotHero who would never notice her feelings, making her even more aggressive. This in turn, caused many, many authors to copy this formula in both Harem and other series that had some form of romance, and run it into the ground. It also contributed to the creation of the ShanaClone; a sub-type of Tsundere comprised of mainly short and flat-chested girls which was popularized by ''LightNovel/ShakuganNoShana'', and has spawned numerous [[FollowTheLeader imitators]] ever since, but even this is fading out of appeal by many fans. Nowadays, this style of female {{Tsundere}} is seen as not just tired and unoriginal (If not written well) but also heaped with loads of UnfortunateImplications in their [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment of male characters]]. Only deconstructions like ''LightNovel/{{Toradora}}'' and ''LightNovel/ChivalryOfAFailedKnight'' seem to be the sole exceptions today, where they tone down on the Tsundere personality to make the female lead less harsh through character development.

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* The {{Tsundere}} archetype as a whole is slowly starting to go down this path. There are several reasons for this. The {{Tsundere}} archetype was originally created to make certain female characters different from the usual submissive styled Japanese female characters in not just anime, but traditional Japanese stories as well. Originally, the character itself was just someone that had a harsh outer personality with a soft happy center, but was usually never outwardly violent. However, by the Early 2000's the aforementioned ''Manga/LoveHina'' took this concept to the point where people associate with them calling someone they were secretly in love with names, becoming increasingly jealous at any other female contact, and paired with an IdiotHero who would never notice her feelings, making her even more aggressive. This in turn, caused many, many authors to copy this formula in both Harem and other series that had some form of romance, and run it into the ground. It also contributed to the creation of the ShanaClone; a sub-type of Tsundere comprised of mainly short and flat-chested girls which was popularized by ''LightNovel/ShakuganNoShana'', and has spawned numerous [[FollowTheLeader imitators]] ever since, but even this is fading out of appeal by many fans. Nowadays, this style of female {{Tsundere}} is seen as not just tired and unoriginal (If not written well) but also heaped with loads of UnfortunateImplications in their [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment of male characters]].well). Only deconstructions like ''LightNovel/{{Toradora}}'' and ''LightNovel/ChivalryOfAFailedKnight'' seem to be the sole exceptions today, where they tone down on the Tsundere personality to make the female lead less harsh through character development.
10th May '17 5:24:49 PM Pylgrim
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* LittleSisterHeroine and BrotherSisterIncest in general, have also been subjected to this recently. Originally, visual novels like ''VisualNovel/YosugaNoSora'' and ''VisualNovel/KanaLittleSister'' that are dedicated to this were considered to be something exceptional and unusual, and the "little sisters" were considered to be very cute and likable TokenMiniMoe characters. By the end of the 2000s, the manga and ranobe in this genre have reached such avalanche sizes that imouto-titles are, at best, considered an extreme ClicheStorm because of the same set of plot twists, and at worst, propaganda of incest and the exploitation of pervert fantasies on par with lolicon and the like. Although at the same time, many similar works have become a hit even outside of Japan, but this is exceptionally rare and a lot of disputes are also caused by the fact that many such heroines are often {{Tsundere}}s (Particular examples include light novels like ''LightNovel/{{Oreimo}}'' and ''LightNovel/TheIrregularAtMagicHighSchool'' from Dengeki Bunko), which itself has been subjected to overused cliches. Combined with ValuesDissonance for western audiences and readers, and you will understand why the sisters are quickly becoming this trope.
* Additionally, light novel adaptations are slowly heading down this route. While light novels have existed since the late 90s, and the earliest adaptations of light novels like ''[[LightNovel/BoogiepopSeries Boogiepop]]'' have been around since the early 2000s, it wasn't until 2006 when the anime adaptation of ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' came along that the industry suddenly exploded into making anime from these. Its success was seen as groundbreaking to the point that many animation companies grabbed whatever light novels they could find and started adapting them, and it also resulted in a boom of authors writing a lot of light novels just to see them get adapted into anime. However as time passed well into TheNewTens, light novel adaptations have become so commonplace that they practically overtook even manga adaptations, resulting in the market becoming over-flooded with too many anime based on light novels. Not helping matters is that most adaptations today are either [[SturgeonsLaw mediocre or poor in reception and sales]], and the quality of the light novels dropped as well. It's not uncommon today to hear the anime community say things like "Another light novel adaptation? Great... Another shitty {{Moe}} harem cliche storm". The light novel adaptations that get away with this are the likes of ''LightNovel/ReZero'', in which its goes down a darker, more deconstructive look at this particular part of Japanese animation, but straight examples have otherwise gained significant backlash outside of Japan.

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* LittleSisterHeroine and BrotherSisterIncest in general, have also been subjected to this recently. Originally, visual novels like ''VisualNovel/YosugaNoSora'' and ''VisualNovel/KanaLittleSister'' that are dedicated to this were considered to be something exceptional and unusual, and the "little sisters" were considered to be very cute and likable TokenMiniMoe characters. By the end of the 2000s, the manga and ranobe in this genre have reached such avalanche sizes that imouto-titles are, at best, considered an extreme ClicheStorm because of the same set of plot twists, and at worst, propaganda of incest and the exploitation of pervert fantasies on par with lolicon and the like. Although at the same time, many similar works have become a hit even outside of Japan, but this is exceptionally rare and a lot of disputes are also caused by the fact that many such heroines are often {{Tsundere}}s (Particular examples include light novels like ''LightNovel/{{Oreimo}}'' and ''LightNovel/TheIrregularAtMagicHighSchool'' from Dengeki Bunko), which itself has been subjected to overused cliches. Combined with ValuesDissonance for western audiences and readers, and you will understand why the sisters are quickly becoming this trope.
* Additionally, light novel adaptations are slowly heading down this route. While light novels have existed since the late 90s, and the earliest adaptations of light novels like ''[[LightNovel/BoogiepopSeries Boogiepop]]'' have been around since the early 2000s, it wasn't until 2006 when the anime adaptation of ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' came along that the industry suddenly exploded into making anime from these. Its success was seen as groundbreaking to the point that many animation companies grabbed whatever light novels they could find and started adapting them, and it also resulted in a boom of authors writing a lot of light novels just to see them get adapted into anime. However as time passed well into TheNewTens, light novel adaptations have become so commonplace that they practically overtook even manga adaptations, resulting in the market becoming over-flooded with too many anime based on light novels. Not helping matters is that most adaptations today are either [[SturgeonsLaw mediocre or poor in reception and sales]], and the quality of the light novels dropped as well. It's not uncommon today to hear the anime community say things like "Another light novel adaptation? Great... Another shitty {{Moe}} harem cliche storm". The light novel adaptations that get away with this are the likes of ''LightNovel/ReZero'', in which its goes down a darker, more deconstructive look at this particular part of Japanese animation, but straight examples have otherwise gained significant backlash outside of Japan.
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23rd Apr '17 6:25:57 AM DivineFlame100
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* The {{Tsundere}} archetype as a whole is slowly starting to go down this path. There are several reasons for this. The {{Tsundere}} archetype was originally created to make certain female characters different from the usual submissive styled Japanese female characters in not just anime, but traditional Japanese stories as well. Originally, the character itself was just someone that had a harsh outer personality with a soft happy center, but was usually never outwardly violent. However, by the Early 2000's the aforementioned Manga/LoveHina took this concept to the point where people associate with them calling someone they were secretly in love with names, becoming increasingly jealous at any other female contact, and paired with an IdiotHero who would never notice her feelings, making her even more aggressive. This in turn, caused many, many authors to copy this formula in both Harem and other series that had some form of romance, and run it into the ground. It also contributed to the creation of the ShanaClone; a sub-type of Tsundere comprised of mainly short and flat-chested girls which was popularized by ''LightNovel/ShakuganNoShana'', and has spawned numerous [[FollowTheLeader imitators]] ever since, but even this is fading out of appeal by many fans. Nowadays, this style of female {{Tsundere}} is seen as not just tired and unoriginal (If not written well) but also heaped with loads of UnfortunateImplications in their [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment of male characters]]. Only deconstructions like ''LightNovel/{{Toradora}}'' and ''LightNovel/ChivalryOfAFailedKnight'' seem to be the sole exceptions today, where they tone down on the Tsundere personality to make the female lead less harsh through character development.
* LittleSisterHeroine and BrotherSisterIncest in general, have also been subjected to this recently. Originally, the visual novels like VisualNovel/YosugaNoSora and VisualNovel/KanaLittleSister dedicated to this were considered to be something exceptional and unusual, and the "little sisters" were considered to be very cute and likable TokenMiniMoe characters. By the end of the 2000s, the manga and ranobe in this genre have reached such avalanche sizes that imouto-titles are, at best, considered an extreme ClicheStorm because of the same set of plot twists, and at worst, propaganda of incest and the exploitation of pervert fantasies on par with lolicon and the like. Although at the same time, many similar works have become a hit even outside of Japan, but this is exceptionally rare and a lot of disputes are also caused by the fact that many such heroines are often {{Tsundere}}s (Particularly bright and controversial examples are light novel LightNovel/{{Oreimo}} and LightNovel/TheIrregularAtMagicHighSchool from Dengeki Bunko), which itself has been subjected to overused cliches. Combined with ValuesDissonance for western audiences and readers, and you will understand why the sisters are quickly becoming this trope.
* Additionally, light novel adaptations are slowly heading down this route. While light novels had existed since the late 90s, and the earliest adaptations of light novels like ''[[LightNovel/BoogiepopSeries Boogiepop]]'' have been around since the early 2000s, it wasn't until 2006 when the anime adaptation of ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' came along that the industry suddenly exploded into making anime from these. Its success was seen as groundbreaking to the point that many animation companies grabbed whatever light novels they could find and started adapting them, and it also resulted in a boom of authors writing a lot of light novels just to see them get adapted into anime. However as time passed well into TheNewTens, light novel adaptations have become so commonplace that they practically overtook even manga adaptations, resulting in the market becoming over-flooded with too many anime based on light novels. Not helping matters is that most adaptations today are either [[SturgeonsLaw mediocre or poor in reception and sales]], and the quality of the light novels dropped as well. It's not uncommon today to hear the anime community say things like "Another light novel adaptation? Great... Another shitty {{Moe}} harem cliche storm". The light novel adaptations that get away with this are the likes of ''LightNovel/ReZero'', in which its goes down a darker, more deconstructive look at this particular part of Japanese animation, but straight examples have otherwise gained significant backlash outside of Japan.

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* The {{Tsundere}} archetype as a whole is slowly starting to go down this path. There are several reasons for this. The {{Tsundere}} archetype was originally created to make certain female characters different from the usual submissive styled Japanese female characters in not just anime, but traditional Japanese stories as well. Originally, the character itself was just someone that had a harsh outer personality with a soft happy center, but was usually never outwardly violent. However, by the Early 2000's the aforementioned Manga/LoveHina ''Manga/LoveHina'' took this concept to the point where people associate with them calling someone they were secretly in love with names, becoming increasingly jealous at any other female contact, and paired with an IdiotHero who would never notice her feelings, making her even more aggressive. This in turn, caused many, many authors to copy this formula in both Harem and other series that had some form of romance, and run it into the ground. It also contributed to the creation of the ShanaClone; a sub-type of Tsundere comprised of mainly short and flat-chested girls which was popularized by ''LightNovel/ShakuganNoShana'', and has spawned numerous [[FollowTheLeader imitators]] ever since, but even this is fading out of appeal by many fans. Nowadays, this style of female {{Tsundere}} is seen as not just tired and unoriginal (If not written well) but also heaped with loads of UnfortunateImplications in their [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment of male characters]]. Only deconstructions like ''LightNovel/{{Toradora}}'' and ''LightNovel/ChivalryOfAFailedKnight'' seem to be the sole exceptions today, where they tone down on the Tsundere personality to make the female lead less harsh through character development.
* LittleSisterHeroine and BrotherSisterIncest in general, have also been subjected to this recently. Originally, the visual novels like VisualNovel/YosugaNoSora ''VisualNovel/YosugaNoSora'' and VisualNovel/KanaLittleSister ''VisualNovel/KanaLittleSister'' that are dedicated to this were considered to be something exceptional and unusual, and the "little sisters" were considered to be very cute and likable TokenMiniMoe characters. By the end of the 2000s, the manga and ranobe in this genre have reached such avalanche sizes that imouto-titles are, at best, considered an extreme ClicheStorm because of the same set of plot twists, and at worst, propaganda of incest and the exploitation of pervert fantasies on par with lolicon and the like. Although at the same time, many similar works have become a hit even outside of Japan, but this is exceptionally rare and a lot of disputes are also caused by the fact that many such heroines are often {{Tsundere}}s (Particularly bright and controversial (Particular examples are include light novel LightNovel/{{Oreimo}} novels like ''LightNovel/{{Oreimo}}'' and LightNovel/TheIrregularAtMagicHighSchool ''LightNovel/TheIrregularAtMagicHighSchool'' from Dengeki Bunko), which itself has been subjected to overused cliches. Combined with ValuesDissonance for western audiences and readers, and you will understand why the sisters are quickly becoming this trope.
* Additionally, light novel adaptations are slowly heading down this route. While light novels had have existed since the late 90s, and the earliest adaptations of light novels like ''[[LightNovel/BoogiepopSeries Boogiepop]]'' have been around since the early 2000s, it wasn't until 2006 when the anime adaptation of ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' came along that the industry suddenly exploded into making anime from these. Its success was seen as groundbreaking to the point that many animation companies grabbed whatever light novels they could find and started adapting them, and it also resulted in a boom of authors writing a lot of light novels just to see them get adapted into anime. However as time passed well into TheNewTens, light novel adaptations have become so commonplace that they practically overtook even manga adaptations, resulting in the market becoming over-flooded with too many anime based on light novels. Not helping matters is that most adaptations today are either [[SturgeonsLaw mediocre or poor in reception and sales]], and the quality of the light novels dropped as well. It's not uncommon today to hear the anime community say things like "Another light novel adaptation? Great... Another shitty {{Moe}} harem cliche storm". The light novel adaptations that get away with this are the likes of ''LightNovel/ReZero'', in which its goes down a darker, more deconstructive look at this particular part of Japanese animation, but straight examples have otherwise gained significant backlash outside of Japan.
23rd Apr '17 1:16:15 AM LittleBuster
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* LittleSisterHeroine and BrotherSisterIncest in general, have also been subjected to this recently. Originally, the visual novels dedicated to this were considered to be something exceptional and unusual, and the "little sisters" were considered to be very cute and likable TokenMiniMoe characters. By the end of the 2000s, the manga and ranobe in this genre have reached such avalanche sizes that imouto-titles are, at best, considered an extreme ClicheStorm because of the same set of plot twists, and at worst, propaganda of incest and the exploitation of pervert fantasies on par with lolicon and the like. Although at the same time, many similar works have become a hit even outside of Japan, but this is exceptionally rare and a lot of disputes are also caused by the fact that many such heroines are often {{Tsundere}}s, which itself has been subjected to overused cliches. Combined with ValuesDissonance for western audiences and readers, and you will understand why the sisters are quickly becoming this trope.

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* LittleSisterHeroine and BrotherSisterIncest in general, have also been subjected to this recently. Originally, the visual novels like VisualNovel/YosugaNoSora and VisualNovel/KanaLittleSister dedicated to this were considered to be something exceptional and unusual, and the "little sisters" were considered to be very cute and likable TokenMiniMoe characters. By the end of the 2000s, the manga and ranobe in this genre have reached such avalanche sizes that imouto-titles are, at best, considered an extreme ClicheStorm because of the same set of plot twists, and at worst, propaganda of incest and the exploitation of pervert fantasies on par with lolicon and the like. Although at the same time, many similar works have become a hit even outside of Japan, but this is exceptionally rare and a lot of disputes are also caused by the fact that many such heroines are often {{Tsundere}}s, {{Tsundere}}s (Particularly bright and controversial examples are light novel LightNovel/{{Oreimo}} and LightNovel/TheIrregularAtMagicHighSchool from Dengeki Bunko), which itself has been subjected to overused cliches. Combined with ValuesDissonance for western audiences and readers, and you will understand why the sisters are quickly becoming this trope.
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