History SeinfeldIsUnfunny / AnimeAndManga

8th May '16 2:47:18 PM AsamisaKY
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** ''Anime/SailorMoon'' itself gets this as well, as it created a sub-genre, and in many countries also contributed to make Anime popular in the first place. When compared to [[Manga/TokyoMewMew some]] [[Franchise/MaiHiME more]] [[Anime/PrettyCure modern]] [[Franchise/LyricalNanoha shows]], it can look overly cheesy, {{Filler}}-ridden, and low-budget.

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** ''Anime/SailorMoon'' itself gets this as well, as it created a sub-genre, and in many countries also contributed to make Anime popular in the first place. When compared to [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica to]] [[Manga/TokyoMewMew some]] [[Franchise/MaiHiME more]] [[Anime/PrettyCure modern]] [[Franchise/LyricalNanoha shows]], it can look overly cheesy, {{Filler}}-ridden, and low-budget.
7th Mar '16 11:34:01 AM GrammarNavi
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* ''Anime/MazingerZ'', the TropeCodifier for SuperRobot shows, never got that much love outside of Japan, due to the fact that it was usually picked up sometime ''after'' successive shows, such as ''Anime/{{Voltron}}'' and even ''Anime/{{Grendizer}}'' got popular, leading to ''Mazinger'' often being called a ripoff of its own derivatives.

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* ''Anime/MazingerZ'', the TropeCodifier for SuperRobot shows, never got that much love outside of Japan, due to the fact that it was usually picked up sometime ''after'' successive shows, such as ''Anime/{{Voltron}}'' and even ''Anime/{{Grendizer}}'' ''[[Anime/UFORoboGrendizer Grendizer]]'' got popular, leading to ''Mazinger'' often being called a ripoff of its own derivatives.
4th Feb '16 9:26:24 PM Red-Dead-Redeemer
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* ''Anime/GhostInTheShell''. The English dub of the original most likely comes off as {{Narm}}y to most modern-day viewers, but in the 90s it was considered a major step forward for anime dubbing, featuring a reasonably faithful translation of the source material, correct pronunciations of Japanese names, and semi-believable voice acting. Incidentially this also true for the original German dub of the movie, so much in fact it later got a new dub along with ''SAC'', taking the German cast for ''Series/StargateSG1'' under contract.

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* ''Anime/GhostInTheShell''. The English dub of the original most likely comes off as {{Narm}}y to most modern-day viewers, but in the 90s it was considered a major step forward for anime dubbing, featuring a reasonably faithful translation of the source material, correct pronunciations of Japanese names, and semi-believable voice acting. Incidentially Incidentally this also true for the original German dub of the movie, so much in fact it later got a new dub along with ''SAC'', taking the German cast for ''Series/StargateSG1'' under contract.



* The Tsundere archetype as a whole is slowly starting to go down this path. There are several reasons for this. The Tsundere archetype was originally created to make certain female characters different from the usual submissive styled Japanese female characters in not just anime, but traditional Japanese stories as well. Originally, the character itself was just someone that had a harsh outer personality with a soft happy center, but was usually never outwardly violent. However, by the Early 2000's the aforementioned Love Hina took this concept to the point where people asscioate with them calling someone they were secretly in love with names, becoming increasingly jealous at any other female contact, and paired with an IdiotHero who would never notice her feelings, making her even more aggressive. This in turn, caused many, many authors to copy this formula in both Harem and other series that had some form of romance, and run it into the ground. Nowadays, this style of female Tsundere is seen as not just tired and unoriginal (If not written well) but also heaped with loads of UnfortunateImplications in their [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment of male characters]].

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* The Tsundere {{Tsundere}} archetype as a whole is slowly starting to go down this path. There are several reasons for this. The Tsundere {{Tsundere}} archetype was originally created to make certain female characters different from the usual submissive styled Japanese female characters in not just anime, but traditional Japanese stories as well. Originally, the character itself was just someone that had a harsh outer personality with a soft happy center, but was usually never outwardly violent. However, by the Early 2000's the aforementioned Love Hina Manga/LoveHina took this concept to the point where people asscioate associate with them calling someone they were secretly in love with names, becoming increasingly jealous at any other female contact, and paired with an IdiotHero who would never notice her feelings, making her even more aggressive. This in turn, caused many, many authors to copy this formula in both Harem and other series that had some form of romance, and run it into the ground. Nowadays, this style of female Tsundere {{Tsundere}} is seen as not just tired and unoriginal (If not written well) but also heaped with loads of UnfortunateImplications in their [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment of male characters]].
29th Dec '15 6:57:02 AM zerohelix
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** ''Manga/AstroBoy'' is THE Anime and Manga. It was the first truly popular piece in not only Japan, but also in the States, where it was one of the first Anime we had ever received. It's hard to articulate how much Astro Boy means to the medium; it's on par with ''Mickey Mouse'' in how important of an animated work it is.
** To the modern-day reader, ''The Mysterious Underground Men'' is just another relatively obscure Osamu Tezuka manga from his early days. No masterpiece, but still a fun book to spend half an hour or so reading. But to the people that read it when it first came out in 1948, it was shocking to see a manga with some genuinely tragic moments. Not only was Tezuka bringing tragedy to manga, he was doing it by using plots where [[AnyoneCanDie main characters died]] in a medium where this was unheard of until now.



* ''Manga/AstroBoy'' is THE Anime and Manga. It was the first truly popular piece in not only Japan, but also in the States, where it was one of the first Animes we had ever received. It's hard to articulate how much Astro Boy means to the medium; it's on par with MICKEY in how important of an animated work it is.



* To the modern-day reader, ''The Mysterious Underground Men'' is just another relatively obscure Osamu Tezuka manga from his early days. No masterpiece, but still a fun book to spend half an hour or so reading. But to the people that read it when it first came out in 1948, it was shocking to see a manga with some genuinely tragic moments. Not only was Tezuka bringing tragedy to manga, he was doing it by using plots where [[AnyoneCanDie main characters died]] in a medium where this was unheard of until now.
22nd Dec '15 8:02:01 PM Kid
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* The Tsundere archetype as a whole is slowly starting to go down this path. There are several reasons for this. The Tsundere archetype was originally created to make certain female charcters be different from the usual submissive styled Japanese female characters in not just anime, but traditional Japanese stories as well. Originally, the character itself was just someone that had a harsh outer personality with a soft happy center, but was usually never outwardly violent. However, by the Early 2000's the aforementioned above Love Hina took this concept to the point where people asscioate with them calling someone they were secretly in love with names, becoming increasingly jealous at any other female contact, and paired with an IdiotHero who would never notice her feelings, making her even more aggressive. This in turn, caused many, many authors to copy this formula in both Harem and other series that had some form of romance, and run it into the ground. Nowadays, this style of female Tsundere is seen as not just tired and unoriginal (If not written well) but also heaped with loads of UnfortunateImplications in their [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment on male characters]].

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* The Tsundere archetype as a whole is slowly starting to go down this path. There are several reasons for this. The Tsundere archetype was originally created to make certain female charcters be characters different from the usual submissive styled Japanese female characters in not just anime, but traditional Japanese stories as well. Originally, the character itself was just someone that had a harsh outer personality with a soft happy center, but was usually never outwardly violent. However, by the Early 2000's the aforementioned above Love Hina took this concept to the point where people asscioate with them calling someone they were secretly in love with names, becoming increasingly jealous at any other female contact, and paired with an IdiotHero who would never notice her feelings, making her even more aggressive. This in turn, caused many, many authors to copy this formula in both Harem and other series that had some form of romance, and run it into the ground. Nowadays, this style of female Tsundere is seen as not just tired and unoriginal (If not written well) but also heaped with loads of UnfortunateImplications in their [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment on of male characters]].
22nd Dec '15 7:55:21 PM Kid
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** And content-wise, they were the first ones to publish high school romance shoujo manga. Pretty much all of what little shoujo had been published in the USA up until that point had featured some element of adventure or fantasy that the publishers hoped would appeal to male readers, but Tokyopop published high-school romances like ''Manga/KareKano'' and ''Manga/MarmaladeBoy'', that had no supernatural or adventure elements and were clearly intended for girls (but good enough to be read by anyone regardless of gender). In short, Tokyopop was the first American manga publisher to fully accept that manga didn't have to pretend to be American comic books. Nowadays every publisher does this, so Tokyopop's editions come off as cheap-looking compared to, say Viz's and Kodansha's manga. Especially the early Tokyopop releases. The translations of Sailor Moon and Magic Knight Rayearth were absolutely painful with spelling and character name inconsistencies galore. And the fact that it's unflipped is just AsbestosFreeCereal now that it goes without saying that you don't flip your manga.

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** And content-wise, they were the first ones to publish high school romance shoujo manga. Pretty much all of what little shoujo had been published in the USA up until that point had featured some element of adventure or fantasy that the publishers hoped would appeal to male readers, but Tokyopop published high-school romances like ''Manga/KareKano'' and ''Manga/MarmaladeBoy'', that had no supernatural or adventure elements and were clearly intended for girls (but good enough to be read by anyone regardless of gender). In short, Tokyopop was the first American manga publisher to fully accept that manga didn't have to pretend to be American comic books. Nowadays every publisher does this, so Tokyopop's editions come off as cheap-looking compared to, say say, Viz's and Kodansha's manga. Especially the early Tokyopop releases. The translations of Sailor Moon and Magic Knight Rayearth were absolutely painful with spelling and character name inconsistencies galore. And the fact that it's unflipped is just AsbestosFreeCereal now that it goes without saying that you don't flip your manga.
16th Dec '15 10:40:12 AM GovernorExplosion
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* ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventures'' has been homaged, parodied, referenced, and exposed to so much MemeticMutation from various other anime and video games that it can sometimes come off as a bit predictable, and some of the most infamous moments have become less shocking (especially when you WatchItForTheMeme). It's important to remember the manga started in ''1986'', and a lot of the {{Manga/Shonen Jump}} series that share elements with it, such as ''{{Manga/YuGiOh}}'' and ''{{Manga/Yu Yu Hakusho}}'' were inspired by it, not the other way around.

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* ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventures'' ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure'' has been homaged, parodied, referenced, and exposed to so much MemeticMutation from various other anime and video games that it can sometimes come off as a bit predictable, and some of the most infamous moments have become less shocking (especially when you WatchItForTheMeme). It's important to remember the manga started in ''1986'', and a lot of the {{Manga/Shonen Jump}} series that share elements with it, such as ''{{Manga/YuGiOh}}'' and ''{{Manga/Yu Yu Hakusho}}'' were inspired by it, not the other way around.
16th Dec '15 10:39:36 AM GovernorExplosion
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* ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventures'' has been homaged, parodied, referenced, and exposed to so much MemeticMutation from various other anime and video games that it can sometimes come off as a bit predictable, and some of the most infamous moments have become less shocking (especially when you WatchItForTheMeme). It's important to remember the manga started in ''1986'', and a lot of the {{Manga/Shonen Jump}} series that share elements with it, such as ''{{Manga/YuGiOh}}'' and ''{{Manga/Yu Yu Hakusho}}'' were inspired by it, not the other way around.
1st Nov '15 5:30:25 PM nombretomado
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** This of course prompted imitators who went full steam ahead with DarkerAndEdgier deconstructions that applied CerebusSyndrome to anything from {{Mons}} (like ''Anime/DigimonTamers'' and ''Manga/{{Narutaru}}'') to MagicalGirl series (including hits such as ''Anime/RevolutionaryGirlUtena'' and ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'') to shonen action series (such as ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' and ''Manga/AttackOnTitan''). Likewise, {{Reconstruction}} series also emerged that attempted to justify the casual, hot-blooded nature of a SuperRobot show (such as ''Anime/GaoGaiGar'', ''RahXephon'', and ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann''). As as result, the modern viewer is likely to be familiar with some themes and aesthetics started by ''Evangelion'' but would probably not consider its approach and message as innovative.

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** This of course prompted imitators who went full steam ahead with DarkerAndEdgier deconstructions that applied CerebusSyndrome to anything from {{Mons}} (like ''Anime/DigimonTamers'' and ''Manga/{{Narutaru}}'') to MagicalGirl series (including hits such as ''Anime/RevolutionaryGirlUtena'' and ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'') to shonen action series (such as ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' and ''Manga/AttackOnTitan''). Likewise, {{Reconstruction}} series also emerged that attempted to justify the casual, hot-blooded nature of a SuperRobot show (such as ''Anime/GaoGaiGar'', ''RahXephon'', ''Anime/RahXephon'', and ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann''). As as result, the modern viewer is likely to be familiar with some themes and aesthetics started by ''Evangelion'' but would probably not consider its approach and message as innovative.
30th Oct '15 2:06:45 PM Demongodofchaos2
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* The cover of the manga anthology book ''Four Shôjo Stories'' boasts that it contains "Japanese comics from a uniquely female perspective." In other words, the manga in it is shojo made by women. When it was first published, this was pretty much unique for a manga published in the USA. Nowadays, the American manga market is brimming over with shôjo manga that women made, and it's hard to understand just how unique this book was when it was first released.

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* The cover of the manga anthology book ''Four Shôjo Stories'' boasts that it contains "Japanese comics from a uniquely female perspective." In other words, the manga in it is shojo made by women. When it was first published, this was pretty much unique for a manga published in the USA. Nowadays, the American manga market is brimming over with shôjo manga that women made, and it's hard to understand just how unique this book was when it was first released.released.
* The Tsundere archetype as a whole is slowly starting to go down this path. There are several reasons for this. The Tsundere archetype was originally created to make certain female charcters be different from the usual submissive styled Japanese female characters in not just anime, but traditional Japanese stories as well. Originally, the character itself was just someone that had a harsh outer personality with a soft happy center, but was usually never outwardly violent. However, by the Early 2000's the aforementioned above Love Hina took this concept to the point where people asscioate with them calling someone they were secretly in love with names, becoming increasingly jealous at any other female contact, and paired with an IdiotHero who would never notice her feelings, making her even more aggressive. This in turn, caused many, many authors to copy this formula in both Harem and other series that had some form of romance, and run it into the ground. Nowadays, this style of female Tsundere is seen as not just tired and unoriginal (If not written well) but also heaped with loads of UnfortunateImplications in their [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment on male characters]].
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