History RuinedFOREVER / LiveActionTv

** The decision in the mid-2000s to (initially) replace the original version of the 1960s series in syndication and a home-video release with a remastered version that saw most of the "cheesy" (but at the time state of the art) special effects replaced with cheesy, already-dated-looking CGI, as well as numerous editorial changes to the episodes themselves, led many fans to shout "ruined forever!", though there was a bit of [[AndTheFandomRejoiced rejoicing]] when Paramount did what it said was impossible and included the original versions of the episodes on the Blu-ray releases. Speculation that ''TNG'' may get similar treatment in the future has already been met with preemptive "Ruined forever!" calls, sight unseen.

** ''Series/DoctorWho'' didn't win at the National Television Awards. [[SarcasmMode Clear proof]] that StevenMoffat and MattSmith have [[RuinedForever RUINED DOCTOR WHO FOREVER.]]

*** Season 4: the angel arc is the show's true BaseBreaker, dividing fans into those who prefer the episodic horror-movie structure of the previous series, and those who prefer the angels and demons mythology arc. Many fans in the first group consider the show to be RUINED FOREVER at this point. Considering that seasons four to six are mythology-heavy, they might have a point. Also, a lot of fans find Sam a whole lot less sympathetic after his addiction to demon blood; Sam was always pretty manipulated, but there comes a point where he will pretty much do or say anything for another hit. The new EnsembleDarkHorse character [[MrFanservice Cas]] probably lessened the cries of RuinedFOREVER somewhat, partly because he developed a [[HoYay relationship with Dean]] somewhat [[UptightLovesWild similar to the relationship Sam and Dean had in the early series]] and partly because the fangirls were too busy squeeing over his introduction to care.
*** Season 5: The angel mythology arc continues and the show becomes far less episodic. Also, the time travel episodes are fairly stupid, particularly after the show establishes that you can't change the past through time travel. Cue the cries of RuinedFOREVER

** Many fans began complaining the franchise was RuinedFOREVER by the sheer existence of ''{{Engine Sentai Go-Onger}}''. Some were placated the following year by ''SamuraiSentaiShinkenger'' (popular almost to the point of FandomHeresy to say you dislike it), others [[FanDumb thought Shinkenger had continued the trend of edging out plot and characterization in favor of merchandising]] and the series is still RuinedFOREVER.

** Victorious was also in a way responsible for more RuinedForever on iCarly. Before it started iCarly was shooting dozens of episodes at a time and had just finished it' strongest season. Victorious came along, took away the energy and time of the writing staff and iCarly became less funny, and because of a lack of facilities, ended up taking over iCarly's studio for months at a time meaning not as many episodes were done.

* ''BattlestarGalactica'' suffered this in three waves. First of all, there were those who ''[[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch immediately]]'' declared ''Battlestar'' RuinedForever as soon as it was announced the revival would, in fact, be a ContinuityReboot (the much-reviled [[KateeSackhoff female Starbuck]] ended up becoming a FanFavorite for many of those who did watch). Later, RuinedForever hit when the show began verging into more ContemplateOurNavels and GrayAndGreyMorality territory in the late second and entire third seasons. Finally, the last wave hit with the second half of the fourth season.

* A weird variation occured recently with ''{{Misfits}}'', with about 90% of the hardcore fans deeming the show officially ruined after the first two seasons (despite the third season not even having been filmed yet) following the news that the most popular character (Nathan) is being written out. Fan responses have been absolutely savage, with a good chunk of the fanbase vowing to boycott the show. Even those who remain loyal are in a state of uproar, and hate campaigns have been launched against almost everyone involved - the actor who's leaving, the writer, the producers, Nathan's replacement character 'Rudy' (who hasn't even been cast yet), and even other cast members for trying to defend the series and calm the fans down. While anyone who's taken so much as a glimpse at the show will be baffled as to how they're going to make it work without Nathan, the cries of RuinedFOREVER are still a little premature.

*** The reintroduction of the Time Drive also negated the moral of the previous episode — they had to destroy the Time Drive in order to not become total gits. Now they suddenly could suddenly have their cake and eat it too.

* ''{{Supernatural}}'' gets this a lot, and has done so from halfway through the first season (with the introduction of Meg). This is mainly because a) the female fanbase tend to dislike female romantic leads and b) the writers have a tendency to introduce seemingly random and ill-considered plot arcs that require a leap of faith on the audiences' part. The female fanbase tends to hate recurring female characters partly because they tend to be cliched and difficult to identify with, but mainly because it takes screen time away from with the [[HoYay relationships between male characters]], which are much easier to identify with, seem more realistic and better developed, and (this point is key) involve a lot of [[MrFanservice involve a lot of very attractive men]]. Jo, Bela, and Ruby are probably the most hated female characters, and all got this treatment. When Jo showed up in Season 2, the fans complained that she was annoying, so EricKripke [[PutOnABus left her in some random bar]]. The fans--most of whom are ''female''--complained about Bela and Ruby in Season 3, so they [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Dropped A Bridge On Bela]] and [[TheNthDoctor NthDoctor-ed]] Ruby.

* ''{{Dexter}}'' had the timing of incestuously hooked up Dexter with his sister/step-sister Deb, which, beside being squicky, hpapened just when the actors had finalized their divorce in real life.

* ''[[TwentyFour 24]]'' fans swore up and down that if [=SecDef=] Heller survived his Season 5 plunge into the Pacific (a HeroicSacrifice to keep the BBEG from using him as a hostage), that would be one suspension of disbelief too many; a sign that the 24 producers [[TheyJustDidntCare just stopped caring]] and neither should we. He survived.

*** And, of course, when ''another'' new logo appeared in 2010, yet another outpouring of grief ensued. No word on any death threats, though.

** ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' had fans yelling "[[AssPull asspull]] {{Ret Con}}s, it screwed up my {{fanon}}..." at it more than probably any production in the history of the world. The commercial and critical failure of the show didn't help either, particularly with it being ScrewedByTheNetwork just as fan opinions were improving.

*** Season 2: Dean's survivor guilt was portrayed realistically, turning him into a broken little shell of a boy. Given how, in virtually every childhood flashback, John comes across as being abusive towards Dean, and the coping problems that both brothers were having (Dean in particular), the series was exceedingly bleak and angsty.
*** Season 3: If you declared season three ruined FOREVER, it was probably because the plot centered around the effects of Dean's personal IdiotBall (his deal with the demons) while the second series centered around his father's. If the characters hadn't learned, by the end of season two, how terrible the demon deals were by this point, it felt like the characters were too self-destructive to ever resolve their problems.
*** Season 4: the angel arc is the show's true BaseBreaker, dividing fans into those who prefer the episodic horror-movie structure of the previous series, and those who prefer the angels and demons mythology arc. Many fans in the first group consider the show to be RUINED FOREVER at this point. Considering that seasons four to six are mythology-heavy, they might have a point. Also, a lot of fans find Sam a whole lot less sympathetic after his addiction to demon blood; Sam was always pretty manipulated, but there comes a point where he will pretty much do or say anything for another hit. The new EnsembleDarkhorse character [[MrFanservice Cas]] probably lessened the cries of RuinedFOREVER somewhat, partly because he developed a [[HoYay relationship with Dean]] somewhat [[UptightLovesWild similar to the relationship Sam and Dean had in the early series]] and partly because the fangirls were too busy squeeing over his introduction to care.

** When [[TheOtherDarrin Kevin Murphy took over as Tom Servo]], one watcher [[ReplacementScrappy didn't approve of the change]] and went to the trouble of making a large banner reading "''I HATE TOM SERVO'S NEW VOICE''" and mailing it to Best Brains. Kevin Murphy [[TakeThat kept the banner as a keepsake]].

* ''ThePriceIsRight''... especially the start of the Drew Carey era, where some viewers would pick apart every change and everything Carey did that Bob Barker didn't do, and swore that this would surely be the end of the show. This gained intensity after Roger Dobkowitz's tenure as producer ended at the conclusion of Season 36, the first Carey-hosted one.

** Ironically, Decade's mission is to stop the entire Multiverse from being Ruined FOREVER in the most literal fashion possible...

** There was even more outcry when ''Torchwood'' aired on Starz.

* ''{{iCarly}}'': When iStart a Fan War was announced as having major implications for the romantic endgame, the Seddie shippers got whipped up and some of them said they would stop watching the show if they didn't get what they wanted. And the episode turned out to be nothing but an AuthorTract saying that the show is about comedy and not romance. There was no Creddie or Seddie at all. The fans in question felt insulted by the episode, and were furious when the DanSchneider blog was deleting their negative comments. It forced him into a backflip and writing an apology blog.
** The Seddie arc was expected by the creator DanSchneider to beat the shows highest rated episode ever (''iSaved Your Life'' with 12.7 million viewers). The first episode got 7 million, not a bad result. However very quickly ItGotWorse. Every episode for the rest of the arc lost viewers, and the final 5th episode in the arc posted the worst ratings in the history of the show. Viewers tuned out in their millions and never came back. Combined with several other issues like less episodes being made and many of the writing staff leaving to join ''{{Victorious}}'', it is incredible at how quickly the show declined. It is a clear case of ExecutiveMeddling going wrong. Nick and DanSchneider overestimated the effect pandering to the Sam/Freddie online fanbase would have in the ratings. As ''{{iCarly}}'' is Nick's top show, it's failure has dragged down sister show ''{{Victorious}}'' and the network itself, to the point where Nick execs were attacking the ratings provider because they couldn't believe their shows were rating so poorly.

* In ''Series/{{Buffy|The Vampire Slayer}}'', this trope was brought up by fans of the series every time a major change was made, despite most of them being either necessary or for the better. For example, when another slayer was added, when said slayer died, when another slayer became a recurring character, when Willow began to train as a witch, when the show stopped being about high school, when [[Series/{{Angel}} Angel and Cordelia]] left the series for their own [[SpinOff spinoff]] (which was Ruined FOREVER from the beginning), when Buffy got a human love interest, when Buffy got a little sister, when Buffy's human love interest left, when there was a musical, and so on and so forth. Worth a special mention is when Oz left the series, to be replaced with a new love interest for Willow, Tara. Fans violently hated the change in Willow and and Tara herself, with innumerable fans declaring the show Ruined FOREVER because of her mere presence. The same fans then proceeded to declare the show Ruined FOREVER when [[spoiler:Tara was killed off several seasons later]].

* ''{{The Tonight Show}}'' every time a new host takes over. Steve Allen fans said this when Jack Paar took over. Jack Paar fans said this when Johnny Carson took over. Johnny Carson and {{David Letterman}} (who was a guest host at one point) fans said this when Jay Leno took over. Jay Leno fans said this when {{Conan OBrien}} took over. Conan O'Brien fans said this when Jay Leno took over again.

* Some fans of {{Two and a Half Men}} claimed eternal ruination when Charlie Sheen's character was removed.
* At the end of series four of ''Series/{{Merlin}}'', KingArthur married Guinevere, thus elevating her to the position of Queen. Because she's now his wife, it's likely (as the writers have vaguely hinted at in a couple of interviews) that she'll have more screen-time in series five, and that she'll act as her husband's confidant. The show is now deemed irreversibly destroyed by many viewers, who believe that the presence of a woman will only interfere with the Sacred Bromance of Arthur and Merlin.

* ''{{Dexter}}'' just incestuously hooked up Dexter with his sister/step-sister Deb. In addition to being squick, the actors just finalized their divorce IRL: thanks, writers.
* ''SaturdayNightLive'' has been jumping the shark more or less every week since 1976, depending on who you talk to. Despite the fact that there ''are'' seasons widely regarded among fans and show alums alike to be some of the worst in its run (1980-81, 94-95, and to a lesser degree, 2004-05 among them), the nature of the show dictates that there are bound to be great episodes and terrible episodes every year. Nevertheless, there are still viewers who seem to tune in every week simply to claim that the show hasn't been the same since [=Chevy Chase/Gilda Radner/Eddie Murphy/Phil Hartman/Chris Farley/Dana Carvey/Will Ferrell/Tina Fey=] left...

* ''StarTrek'' has had this following [[FirstInstallmentWins the first series.]] While the fans have been more willing to accept some changes then other (more rabid) fandoms, it is still prominent.
** ''StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' had "StarTrek is about [[TheKirk Kirk]], [[TheSpock Spock]] and [[TheMcCoy McCoy]]. Not these [[{{Expy}} recycled people.]]" However, with [[GrowingTheBeard time]], a much bigger budget, better special effects and sets, and talented actors (most notably Patrick Stewart, Brent Spiner, and Gates [=McFadden=], although all of the main cast was exceptional), The Next Generation eventually escaped the shadow of the original series in critical and popular acclaim, if not popularity.

** ''StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' - "What's this about a space station? Star Trek is about strange new worlds!", in addition to accusations it was being used as a test run for BSG, and the entire Dominion War arc. Tends to have its own fandom compared to other Trek series.
** ''StarTrekVoyager'' had many complaints of pushing the ResetButton too often, which was not entirely unfounded.
** ''StarTrekEnterprise'' had fans yelling "[[AssPull asspull]] {{Ret Con}}s, it screwed up my {{fanon}}..." at it more than probably any production in the history of the world. The commercial and critical failure of the show didn't help either, particularly with it being ScrewedByTheNetwork just as fan opinions were improving.

*** Criticism and praise seem largely dependent on ''how'' long you've been a fan. Fans of ''StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' and ''StarTrekVoyager'' seem to dislike it the most while recently arrived fans are more forgiving and/or enthusiastic. Fans of ''StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' are often somewhere in-between, with the most long-term fans tending towards negative. The backlash doubled when the fandom realized that the only series not disregarded was ''Enterprise''.

** ''WHAT?!'' ''StarTrek'' and [[EverythingsDeaderWithZombies Zombies]]?!! Clearly IDW Comics has ''RUINED'' Trek '''[[http://trekmovie.com/2010/10/08/idw-infestation-series-to-mix-zombies-with-star-trek-other-licensees/ FOR-EVAH!]]'''

** The debut of the new Daleks got a lot of this kind of reaction from fans. Granted, they do look quite different from previous versions, and [[YourMileageMayVary not necessarily for the better]], but the reaction was still quite extreme. Since this was arguably Moffat's first misstep as showrunner, at least some of this heat seemed to be a mixture of fans overreacting over the fact that he ''wasn't'' perfect after all, coupled with a bit of 'we told you so!' gloating from fans of Russell T. Davies who hadn't quite managed to accept that things had moved on a bit.

*** Season 7: the quality of the stand alone episodes hasn't improved since(and may have gotten much worse than ) season 6, but the angel/demon storylines have been largely replaced by the Leviathon, far less inspiring monsters. There's not much for [[BrokenBase fans of the myth arc]]. And while Sam is more sympathetic than he's been in a long time, it's harder to watch it for the drama between characters because [[spoiler: Bobby died]], Crowley has been too distracted to mess with the Winchesters and [[spoiler Cas is comatose, crazy or MIA]]. So they've pretty much got members of [[BrokenBase all their fanbases]] crying "RUINED FOREVER".

* {{Highlander}}, after Richie's death.

* ''SaturdayNightLive'' has been jumping the shark more or less every week since 1976, depending on who you talk to. Despite the fact that there ''are'' seasons widely regarded among fans and show alums alike to be some of the worst in its run (1980-81, 94-95, and to a lesser degree, 2004-05 among them), the nature of the show dictates that there are bound to be great episodes and terrible episodes every year. Nevertheless, there are still viewers who seem to tune in every week simply to claim that the show hasn't been the same since ChevyChase/GildaRadner/EddieMurphy/PhilHartman/ChrisFarley/DanaCarvey/WillFerrell/TinaFey left...

* The DVD Extras from ''RedDwarf'' include a tale from one of the production staff in which, after the reintroduction of the Time Drive into series seven episode ''Tikka To Ride,'' he arrived at a convention and was bluntly told that the new time drive had ruined the show forever.

*** Season 4: the angel arc is the show's true BaseBreaker, dividing fans into those who prefer the episodic horror-movie structure of the previous series, and those who prefer the angel and demon's mythology arc. Many fans in the first group consider the show to be RUINED FOREVER at this point. Considering that seasons four to six are mythology-heavy, they might have a point. Also, a lot of fans find Sam a whole lot less sympathetic after his addiction to demon blood; Sam was always pretty manipulated, but there comes a point where he will pretty much do or say anything for another hit. The new EnsembleDarkhorse character [[MrFanservice Cas]] probably lessened the cries of RuinedFOREVER somewhat, partly because he developed a [[HoYay relationship with Dean]] somewhat [[UptightLovesWild similar to the relationship Sam and Dean had in the early series]] and partly because the fangirls were too busy squeeing over his introduction to care.

*** Season 6: This season has a lot of the problems you associate with [[PostscriptSeason other show's post-script seasons]] as well as a new showrunner, an oddly plotted season arc in which some of the show's most sympathetic and/or likeable characters behave wildly out of character or are implied to be dead. YMMV whether the quality of the stand-alone episodes has dropped dramatically, but the size of the show's audience definitely has. And as of the Season 6 finale, one of the show's most likeable and sympathetic characters [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds went darkside]], a whole new wave of "RUINED FOREVER" has arisen.

* ''{{Supernatural}}'' gets this a lot, and has done so from halfway through the first season ( with the introduction of Meg). This is mainly because a) the female fanbase tend to dislike female romantic leads and b)the writers have a tendency to introduce seemingly random and ill-considered plot arcs that require a leap of faith on the audiences part. The female fanbase tends to hate recurring female characters partly because they tend to be cliched and difficult to identify with, but mainly because it takes screen time away from with the [[HoYay relationships between male characters]], which are much easier to identify with, seem more realistic and better developed, and (-this point is key-)involve a lot of [[MrFanservice involve a lot of very attractive men]]. Jo, Bela, and Ruby are probably the most hated female characters, and all got this treatment. .When Jo showed up in Season 2, the fans complained that she was annoying, so EricKripke [[PutOnABus left her in some random bar]]. The fans--most of whom are ''female''--complained about Bela and Ruby in Season 3, so they [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Dropped A Bridge On Bela]] and [[TheNthDoctor NthDoctor-ed]] Ruby.

*** Season two: Dean's survivor guilt was portrayed realistically, turning him into a broken little shell of a boy. Given how, in virtually every childhood flashback, John comes across as being abusive towards Dean, and the coping problems that both brothers were having (Dean in particular), the series was exceedingly bleak and angsty.
*** Season three: If you declared season three ruined FOREVER, it was probably because the plot centered around the effects of Dean's personal IdiotBall( his deal with the demons) while the second series centered around his father's. If the characters hadn't learned, by the end of season two, how terrible the demon deals were by this point, it felt like the characters were too self-destructive to ever resolve their problems.
*** Season four: the angel arc is the show's true BaseBreaker, dividing fans into those who prefer the episodic horror-movie structure of the previous series, and those who prefer the angel and demon's mythology arc. Many fans in the first group consider the show to be RUINED FOREVER at this point. Considering that seasons four to six are mythology-heavy, they might have a point. Also, a lot of fans find Sam a whole lot less sympathetic after his addiction to demon blood; Sam was alway pretty manipulated, but there comes a point where he will pretty much do or say anything for another hit. The new EnsembleDarkhorse character [[MrFanservice Cas ]] probably lessened the cries of RuinedFOREVER somewhat, partly because he developed a [[HoYay relationship with Dean]] somewhat [[UptightLovesWild similar to the relationship Sam and Dean had in the early series]] and partly because the fan-girls were too busy squeeing over his introduction to care.
*** Season five: The angel mythology arc continues and the show becomes far less episodic. Also, the time travel episodes are fairly stupid, particularly after the show establishes that you can't change the past through time travel. Cue the cries of RuinedFOREVER
*** Season Six: Season six has a lot of the problems you associate with [[PostscriptSeason other show's post-script seasons ]] as well as a new showrunner, an oddly plotted season arc in which some of the show's most sympathetic and/or likeable characters behave wildly out of character or are implied to be dead. YMMV whether the quality of the stand-alone episodes has dropped dramatically , but the size of the show's audience definitely has. And as of the Season 6 finale, one of the show's most likeable and sympathetic characters [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds went darkside]], a whole new wave of "RUINED FOREVER" has arisen.

* ''{{iCarly}}'': When iStart a Fan War was announced to have major Creddie and Seddie, the Seddie shippers got whipped up and some of them said they would stop watching the show if they didn't get what they wanted. [[spoiler: And the episode turned out to be nothing but an AuthorTract saying that the show is about comedy and not romance. There was almost no Creddie or Seddie whatsoever. The fans in question felt insulted by the episode, and also got furious when they thought Dan was deleting their negative comments from his blog. Two days later, he posted an entry explaining the problems that came about.]]
** Two episodes later we get ''iOMG'' as a cliff-hanger, which is real, and definitely got this reaction. The promo's for the next episode have taken the it to another level. You can say therefore, the Seddie ship brought the show to ruined forever status.
*** And it got worse. The last episode of the arc got only 3 million viewers, and it might get downhill from there.
* Similarly, sister show ''{{Victorious}}'' has been getting this just as stupidly, most notably from people on the Victorious Wiki who claim that the episodes suck because either Tori comes out on top in the end, and wanting Jade to get things her way [[KarmaHoudini even when she does unbelievable things without reprimandation]], or Tori getting to sing a new song, you name it. While Dan Schneider takes pride in his fans, especially the ones who enjoy his works, this show proves how unpleasable some of them are. You will just about always find someone complaining on that Wiki whenever a new episode airs.

* In ''[[BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]]'', this trope was brought up by fans of the series every time a major change was made, despite most of them being either necessary or for the better. For example, when another slayer was added, when said slayer died, when another slayer became a recurring character, when Willow began to train as a witch, when the show stopped being about high school, when [[{{Angel}} Angel and Cordelia]] left the series for their own [[SpinOff spinoff]] (which was Ruined FOREVER from the beginning), when Buffy got a human love interest, when Buffy got a little sister, when Buffy's human love interest left, when there was a musical, and so on and so forth. Worth a special mention is when Oz left the series, to be replaced with a new love interest for Willow, Tara. Fans violently hated the change in Willow and and Tara herself, with innumerable fans declaring the show Ruined FOREVER because of her mere presence. The same fans then proceeded to declare the show Ruined FOREVER when [[spoiler:Tara was killed off several seasons later]].

** The calls that 24 had been "ruined forever" started as early as the first season, when Teri Bauer fell out of a moving vehicle that exploded and was affected by short-term amnesia (which made her do some incredibly stupid things, like go back to the house where an assassin was stationed). Of course, this all stopped when [[spoiler:Teri died in the first-season finale]]. The fans have also leveled this term at many incidents over the years, including Kim Bauerbeing [[TrappedByMountainLions stalked by a cougar]], Jack Bauer dying at the end of an episode (don't worry, [[HeGotBetter he got better]]), anything [[TheKimberly Kim]] did in season 2 and 3, the Kyle Chambers subplot at the beginning of season 3, the rest of season 3, [[spoiler:Tony Almeida's]] [[AnyoneCanDie "death"]] and most of season 6. No one can agree on which was worse, even though the series has always had a chain of good-bad seasons.

* Within hours of the [[WhamEpisode notoriously destructive]] ''Series/{{Torchwood}}'' episode "Children of Earth, Day Four", fans were already declaring the series Ruined FOREVER and refusing to watch [[spoiler:unless Ianto was brought back to life.]]. RussellTDavies may have hit the fanbase's BerserkButton, which is BeyondTheImpossible since Torchwood fandom isn't exactly known for its tranquility.

** People were moaning that the [[RussellTDavies RTD]]-era TARDIS didn't look like a real police box several years on. Then they got a look at the StevenMoffat-era TARDIS... and a whole /new/ round of moaning began. Now that Moffat has gone from being the cool alternative to the official head writer, expect him to inherit RTD's ScapegoatCreator - ness.

* ''{{Supernatural}}'' gets this a lot, and has done so from halfway through the first season ( with the introduction of Meg). This is mainly because a) the female fanbase tend to dislike female romantic leads and b)the writers have a tendency to introduce seemingly random and ill-considered plot arcs that require a leap of faith on the audiences part. The female fanbase tends to hate recurring female characters partly because they tend to be cliched and difficult to identify with, but mainly because it takes screen time away from with the [[HoYay relationships between male characters]], which are much easier to identify with, seem more realistic and better developed, and (-this point is key-)involve a lot of [[EstrogenBrigadeBait involve a lot of very attractive men]]. Jo, Bela, and Ruby are probably the most hated female characters, and all got this treatment. .When Jo showed up in Season 2, the fans complained that she was annoying, so EricKripke [[PutOnABus left her in some random bar]]. The fans--most of whom are ''female''--complained about Bela and Ruby in Season 3, so they [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Dropped A Bridge On Bela]] and [[TheNthDoctor NthDoctor-ed]] Ruby.

*** Season four: the angel arc is the show's true BaseBreaker, dividing fans into those who prefer the episodic horror-movie structure of the previous series, and those who prefer the angel and demon's mythology arc. Many fans in the first group consider the show to be RUINED FOREVER at this point. Considering that seasons four to six are mythology-heavy, they might have a point. Also, a lot of fans find Sam a whole lot less sympathetic after his addiction to demon blood; Sam was alway pretty manipulated, but there comes a point where he will pretty much do or say anything for another hit. The new EnsembleDarkhorse character [[EstrogenBrigadeBait Cas ]] probably lessened the cries of RuinedFOREVER somewhat, partly because he developed a [[HoYay relationship with Dean]] somewhat [[UptightLovesWild similar to the relationship Sam and Dean had in the early series]] and partly because the fan-girls were too busy squeeing over his introduction to care.

** It has, a little, given that Gilgun's a pretty respected actor. But there is still plenty of FanDumb floating around. A sizeable number of fans have deemed Rudy a ReplacementScrappy already, a worrying proportion of them rejecting him on the basis that he isn't as [[EstrogenBrigadeBait good-looking]] as RobertSheehan. However, more troubling still for the fandom at large is the news that Howard Overman (the Series' creator, and sole writer up until now) is having more limited involvement in the show from now on and is only going to be writing four of this season's eight episodes. All in all, it's pretty understandable that the fans are worried.

* Within hours of the [[WhamEpisode notoriously destructive]] ''{{Torchwood}}'' episode "Children of Earth, Day Four", fans were already declaring the series Ruined FOREVER and refusing to watch [[spoiler:unless Ianto was brought back to life.]]. RussellTDavies may have hit the fanbase's BerserkButton, which is BeyondTheImpossible since Torchwood fandom isn't exactly known for it's tranquility.

** A lot of fans also complain about "Children of Earth" in general, as they expected [[SoBadItsGood cracky fun]] with a CastFullOfGay but got "HumansAreBastards: The Miniseries" with a ''serious'' DownerEnding.
** The season 2 finale got this too, then again season 2 in general even had faint murmurings from people that loved the NarmCharm of season 1 and didn't like that the show was GrowingTheBeard and becoming DarkerAndEdgier in the process.
** There was even more outcry when Torchwood aired on Starz.