History RuinedFOREVER / Comicbooks

14th Jan '18 12:57:57 AM lillolillo
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** ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'' saw the return of [[spoiler:[[Comicbook/TheFlash Barry Allen]]]] to the main DCU, as well as [[spoiler:the Flash Rebirth miniseries in 2009]]. Cue cries about how the impact of said character's original death has now been rendered completely meaningless and that this is proof that DC hates change and panders to the Silver Age.
** There is a number of fans who called this trope when ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' folded into the ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'', and then ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' occurred, exacerbating the situation. This has led to said fans declaring that most, if not all, of the titles by DC have been stopped as of ''June 2003.'' While there have indeed been horrible plots and decisions by DC in later years, declaring that they consider most of DC's UsefulNotes/ModernAge discontinuity because of that is just bewildering. The first bullet on this folder sums up what the situation ''really'' is. Of course, with the ComicBook/{{New 52}} it kinda ended up happening anyways...

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** ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'' saw the return of [[spoiler:[[Comicbook/TheFlash Barry Allen]]]] to the main DCU, as well as [[spoiler:the the Flash Rebirth miniseries in 2009]].2009. Cue cries about how the impact of said character's original death has now been rendered completely meaningless and that this is proof that DC hates change and panders to the Silver Age.
** There is a number of fans who called this trope when ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' folded into the ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'', and then ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' occurred, exacerbating the situation. This has led to said fans declaring that most, if not all, of the titles by DC have been stopped as of ''June 2003.'' While there have indeed been horrible plots and decisions by DC in later years, declaring that they consider most of DC's UsefulNotes/ModernAge discontinuity because of that is just bewildering. The first bullet on this folder sums up what the situation ''really'' is. Of course, with the ComicBook/{{New 52}} ComicBook/New52 it kinda ended up happening anyways...



* [[Creator/MarvelComics Marvel]] hasn't escaped this either, most notably a similar reaction to the aforementioned example concerning the return of Colossus to the ''ComicBook/XMen'' lineup, and even earlier, Jean Grey and the whole Phoenix Isn't Her RetCon (as though not having her being a mass murderer was bad thing, and wasn't all a dream like ''Series/{{Dallas}}'').
** And the number of people who hate the Scott Summers/Emma Frost relationship to the point of vowing never to enjoy/read X-Men again until Jean returns and gets back with Scott is quite large (which is less ruined forever and more ruined until it gets set right).

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* [[Creator/MarvelComics Marvel]] hasn't escaped this either, most notably a similar reaction to the aforementioned example concerning the return of Colossus to the ''ComicBook/XMen'' lineup, and even earlier, Jean Grey ComicBook/JeanGrey and the whole Phoenix Isn't Her RetCon (as though not having her being a mass murderer was bad thing, and wasn't all a dream like ''Series/{{Dallas}}'').
** And the number of people who hate the [[ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} Scott Summers/Emma Summers]]/Emma Frost relationship to the point of vowing never to enjoy/read X-Men again until Jean returns and gets back with Scott is quite large (which is less ruined forever and more ruined until it gets set right).



*** Blame it on Creator/JoeQuesada. They were originally supposed to be Peter's kids, but about halfway through, Quesada thought that would have made him too old. Which also implies that would somehow not apply to Gwen, even though she's roughly the same age as Peter. It would have made more sense if that had been something like Ultimate Black Cat but Gwen? Nope. Not happening.



** With [[Comicbook/TheFlash Barry Allen]], the issue is how much of the Flash legacy survives - he'd already returned to being the Flash before the relaunch. Bart Allen is still Kid Flash, but there is no news on the fate of Wally West.



** One change that's gotten major criticism from the fans is making Barbara Gordon Batgirl again, by taking her out of her wheelchair. The wheelchair she's been in ''for over twenty years now''. The fans got even angrier when DC revealed that in this new universe, ''she was still shot and crippled, but came right out of it''.[[spoiler: After several years, but the point still stands.]] Many fans consider this blatant sexism and ableism[[note]]discrimination of the handicapped[[/note]], believing that Barbara was much better as Oracle, as both a superhero and an icon, than she ever was as Batgirl.
8th Jan '18 10:46:39 AM lillolillo
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** Speaking of the New 52....

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** Speaking * ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'': In the 50's the adventures of the New 52....Man of Steel started to focus on high sci-fi elements at the same time Superman stumbled upon other Kryptonian survivors like ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} and ComicBook/KryptoTheSuperdog, which earned the ire of Golden Age fans who declared Superman had been "de-uniqued" and therefore ruined forever. In 1986 some of those fans got to reboot Superman, and did so by depowering him, de-emphasizing his Kryptonian heritage and wiping out all other Kryptonian characters... which earned the ire of Silver and Bronze Age fans who liked Kara, Krypto and the high sci-fi concepts. Several years later, some of them had to the chance to write Pre-Crisis characters and concepts back into continuity, prompting Post-Crisis fans to declare the reintroduction of Silver Age bits had ruined Superman... FOREVER.
24th Apr '17 5:04:48 AM Josef5678
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** There are a number of fans who called this trope when ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' folded into the ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'', and then ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' occurred, exacerbating the situation. This has led to said fans declaring that most, if not all, of the titles by DC have been stopped as of ''June 2003.'' While there have indeed been horrible plots and decisions by DC in later years, declaring that they consider most of DC's ModernAge discontinuity because of that is just bewildering. The first bullet on this folder sums up what the situation ''really'' is. Of course, with the ComicBook/{{New 52}} it kinda ended up happening anyways...

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** There are is a number of fans who called this trope when ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' folded into the ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'', and then ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' occurred, exacerbating the situation. This has led to said fans declaring that most, if not all, of the titles by DC have been stopped as of ''June 2003.'' While there have indeed been horrible plots and decisions by DC in later years, declaring that they consider most of DC's ModernAge UsefulNotes/ModernAge discontinuity because of that is just bewildering. The first bullet on this folder sums up what the situation ''really'' is. Of course, with the ComicBook/{{New 52}} it kinda ended up happening anyways...



*** Blame it on [[JoeQuesada Quesada]]. They were originally supposed to be Peter's kids, but about halfway through, Quesada thought that would have made him too old. Which also implies that would somehow not apply to Gwen, even though she's roughly the same age as Peter. It would have made more sense if that had been something like Ultimate Black Cat but Gwen? Nope. Not happening.

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*** Blame it on [[JoeQuesada Quesada]].Creator/JoeQuesada. They were originally supposed to be Peter's kids, but about halfway through, Quesada thought that would have made him too old. Which also implies that would somehow not apply to Gwen, even though she's roughly the same age as Peter. It would have made more sense if that had been something like Ultimate Black Cat but Gwen? Nope. Not happening.



** This complaint is likely due to PublicMediumIgnorance. People claim Disney will make Marvel more kid-friendly, not realizing that Disney has owned plenty of non kid-friendly stuff without [[ExecutiveMeddling meddling with it]] (including the studio [[MiramaxFilms Miramax]], which has released R-rated films like ''Film/PulpFiction''). Or thinking that kid-friendly means sunshine and lollipops. It is possible to find a level that's kid-friendly but still entertaining for adults, as Disney has shown with...pretty much all of their animated movies.

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** This complaint is likely due to PublicMediumIgnorance. People claim Disney will make Marvel more kid-friendly, not realizing that Disney has owned plenty of non kid-friendly stuff without [[ExecutiveMeddling meddling with it]] (including the studio [[MiramaxFilms [[Creator/MiramaxFilms Miramax]], which has released R-rated films like ''Film/PulpFiction''). Or thinking that kid-friendly means sunshine and lollipops. It is possible to find a level that's kid-friendly but still entertaining for adults, as Disney has shown with...pretty much all of their animated movies.



* The 2010-2011 ''WonderWoman'' reboot provoked a reaction like this; partly due to the costume redesign which gave Wonder Woman pants rather than her traditional star-spangled panties (which also introduced a bit of UnpleasableFanbase, since the previous looks had frequently been criticized for being {{Stripperiffic}}), and partly due to the nature of the storyline, which saw Wonder Woman's past continuity rebooted into an AlternateHistory, removing many of the traditional elements of her backstory and canon. Despite the fact that it was acknowledged upfront that this timeline was an aberration to what was supposed to happen and that the plot was to involve WonderWoman [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong Setting Right What Once Went Wrong]], a lot of fans still complained about [[CompletelyMissingThePoint how they'd changed everything]].

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* The 2010-2011 ''WonderWoman'' ''Franchise/WonderWoman'' reboot provoked a reaction like this; partly due to the costume redesign which gave Wonder Woman pants rather than her traditional star-spangled panties (which also introduced a bit of UnpleasableFanbase, since the previous looks had frequently been criticized for being {{Stripperiffic}}), and partly due to the nature of the storyline, which saw Wonder Woman's past continuity rebooted into an AlternateHistory, removing many of the traditional elements of her backstory and canon. Despite the fact that it was acknowledged upfront that this timeline was an aberration to what was supposed to happen and that the plot was to involve WonderWoman Wonder Woman [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong Setting Right What Once Went Wrong]], a lot of fans still complained about [[CompletelyMissingThePoint how they'd changed everything]].



* The beloved, retro Belgian comic ''ComicBook/{{Tintin}}'' has been made into [[WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfTintin an English movie]] by [[Film/JurassicPark Steven]] [[Franchise/IndianaJones Spielberg]], with realistic motion-capture CGI animation, and [[FelonyMisdemeanor in 3D.]]

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* The beloved, retro Belgian comic ''ComicBook/{{Tintin}}'' has been made into [[WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfTintin an English movie]] by [[Film/JurassicPark Steven]] [[Franchise/IndianaJones Spielberg]], Creator/StevenSpielberg, with realistic motion-capture CGI animation, and [[FelonyMisdemeanor in 3D.]]
17th Jan '17 10:29:14 PM Edgar81539
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* Captain America is a HYDRA supporter has some fans in arms.
** Not without reason, considering the character's creators are of Jewish descent

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* Captain America is being a HYDRA supporter has some fans in arms.
** Not without reason, considering the character's creators are of Jewish descent
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8th Jan '17 10:52:07 AM nombretomado
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* ''StarWarsLegacy'' some were displeased that the semi-good Fel Empire overthrew the Galactic Alliance with help from the ObviouslyEvil Sith. The latest Skywalker is less than good, and more of a jerky AntiHero.

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* ''StarWarsLegacy'' ''ComicBook/{{Legacy}}'' some were displeased that the semi-good Fel Empire overthrew the Galactic Alliance with help from the ObviouslyEvil Sith. The latest Skywalker is less than good, and more of a jerky AntiHero.
5th Nov '16 11:40:29 AM nombretomado
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** ''ImAMarvelAndImADC'' summed it up nicely [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyYb_r4cZHE here]].

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** ''ImAMarvelAndImADC'' ''WebVideo/ImAMarvelAndImADC'' summed it up nicely [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyYb_r4cZHE here]].
18th Sep '16 1:22:27 PM nombretomado
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* Since 2010, ArchieComics has been in dispute with former head writer Ken Penders over characters he created for the ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehog'' series. Things came to a head when, in early 2013, two storylines, "The Chaotix Quest" and "Endangered Species" were changed to get rid of virtually ''hundreds'' of characters in the middle of the stories. Then came the revelations that the cases had been dismissed and Ken Penders' ballywhooing that he had won back all of the characters he created, that Archie couldn't use them and that he was going to make ''better'' stories with them. The altered comics have caused fans to cry foul.

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* Since 2010, ArchieComics Franchise/ArchieComics has been in dispute with former head writer Ken Penders over characters he created for the ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehog'' series. Things came to a head when, in early 2013, two storylines, "The Chaotix Quest" and "Endangered Species" were changed to get rid of virtually ''hundreds'' of characters in the middle of the stories. Then came the revelations that the cases had been dismissed and Ken Penders' ballywhooing that he had won back all of the characters he created, that Archie couldn't use them and that he was going to make ''better'' stories with them. The altered comics have caused fans to cry foul.
9th Sep '16 9:55:03 AM KaminoNeko
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** Speaking of the New 52....
31st Jul '16 9:53:53 AM nombretomado
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* When news broke in 2011 that {{DC Comics}} were going to [[ContinuityReboot reboot]] their line of superhero comics back to #1 issues[[note]]yes, even those series that have upwards of ''800'' issues by now[[/note]], the prevailing fan reaction was essentially this trope.

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* When news broke in 2011 that {{DC Creator/{{DC Comics}} were going to [[ContinuityReboot reboot]] their line of superhero comics back to #1 issues[[note]]yes, even those series that have upwards of ''800'' issues by now[[/note]], the prevailing fan reaction was essentially this trope.
15th Jun '16 11:57:03 AM Neoxkais
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**Not without reason, considering the character's creators are of Jewish descent
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