History Quotes / CerebusRetcon

-->-- ''GeneralProtectionFault''

Right off the bat, Sue gets [[StuffedIntoTheFridge horribly burned to death]] in her home. The culprit is unknown, but based on the evidence, the League suspects it to be Dr. Light. Now Doc Light is usually [[HarmlessVillain a D-list villain]].. but we find out through a flashback that one day, when Sue was hanging out on the Justice League satellite (by herself, in space), Dr. Light somehow managed to get aboard. Yes, a supervillain had somehow [[SwissCheeseSecurity gained access to the League's high-tech HQ (in space)]], and that was when he decided to rape Sue to within an inch of her life. The League showed up soon after to pull him off of her, but the damage was done, and they had [[MindWipe to blank Sue's memory]] to make her forget it. I wish they could do that to ''my'' memory—when I close my eyes, I keep seeing [[BrainBleach Dr. Light's rolling eyeballs and wagging tongue]] as he violates a minor character who never hurt anybody.

->ue Dibny was the wife of Ralph Dibny, the Elongated Man. The two were always [[HappilyMarried the happy couple]] of the superhero set, with Sue often acting as [[TeamMom den mother]] to the Justice League, and the pair did detective work on the side, like some sort of stretchy [[TheThinMan Nick and Nora Charles]]. Then came the ''Identity Crisis'' mini-series.\\\

->'''Fooker''': Nick and I could go [[CallBack raid his apartment again]]...
->'''Nick''': Um, no... although knowing you were a secret agent casts that incident in a new light...

->''"'Ooh, [[NotSoDifferent you're just like me]], Spider-Man!', ''[Carnage]'' burbles, 'Secretly, you also want to murder all those criminals you catch!' But instead of saying the obvious thing, 'No, I don't, you fucking weirdo', Spider-Man weakly concedes that [[VillainHasAPoint he may have a point.]]''
->''You [[FlatWhat wot?]] Can't say I've ever gotten ''that'' particular vibe from Spider-Man: that all his joking around and rescuing people is merely an outlet for his repressed psychotic murder fantasies!"''

->''"'Crossover' brings on the same feeling as reading dark, brooding, overtly sexual fanfic based on a cheerful kids’ cartoon. By which I mean, it completely misses the tone of the original work it’s building upon. The {{Mirror Universe}} on ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]]'' was scary and violent, but it definitely wasn’t dark and depressing like it is here. The people who served on the ''ISS Enterprise'' weren’t morose or angst-ridden, and other than, you know, the constant threat of assassination and torture, the Mirror Universe seemed like [[EvilIsCool an exciting place to be.]]"''

->''"One of [[Creator/NeilGaiman Gaiman’s]] advertising promises for his episode was that he wanted to have written a part for Creator/MattSmith that would secure him an UsefulNotes/{{BAFTA}} next year...instead what we get is a schizophrenic evaluation of his character which seems to suggest that the Doctor is actually [[DirtyOldMan some horribly sexist old letch]]. In Creator/StevenMoffat’s world, maybe, but not mine (there was an interesting note in ''The Writer’s Tale'' where [[Creator/RussellTDavies RTD]] notes that Moffat cannot help but write his characters as [[AuthorAppeal sexual beings]], which might be another reason why he feels a little out of character on occasion during this era)."''

->''"...''InfiniteCrisis'', a series that was ostensibly meant to be a 20th Anniversary follow-up to ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'' that instead became a [[{{Narm}} truly ludicrous pastiche]]. The main storyline began with Superboy-Prime literally ''punching continuity'' in order to '[[ArmedWithCanon fix]]' things and ended with the Golden Age Superman getting [[ShooOutTheClowns bloodily beaten to death]]. It was charming, I assure you."''

->''"Sue Dibny was the wife of Ralph Dibny, the Elongated Man. The two were always [[HappilyMarried the happy couple]] of the superhero set, with Sue often acting as [[TeamMom den mother]] to the Justice League, and the pair did detective work on the side, like some sort of stretchy [[TheThinMan Nick and Nora Charles]]. Then came the ''Identity Crisis'' mini-series.\\\
Right off the bat, Sue gets [[StuffedIntoTheFridge horribly burned to death]] in her home. The culprit is unknown, but based on the evidence, the League suspects it to be Dr. Light. Now Doc Light is usually [[HarmlessVillain a D-list villain]].. but we find out through a flashback that one day, when Sue was hanging out on the Justice League satellite (by herself, in space), Dr. Light somehow managed to get aboard. Yes, a supervillain had somehow [[SwissCheeseSecurity gained access to the League's high-tech HQ (in space)]], and that was when he decided to rape Sue to within an inch of her life. The League showed up soon after to pull him off of her, but the damage was done, and they had [[MindWipe to blank Sue's memory]] to make her forget it. I wish they could do that to ''my'' memory—when I close my eyes, I keep seeing [[BrainBleach Dr. Light's rolling eyeballs and wagging tongue]] as he violates a minor character who never hurt anybody."''
-->--'''''Topless Robot''''' [[http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/06/the_10_worst_women_in_refridgerators_ie_cases_of_v.php?page=2 on]] ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''

->''"Retconning became a fairly big trend in comics that has continued to this day... One consequence of this is the retroactive 'darkening' of superhero comics from bygone days. This is most evident in the now-infamous ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'', in which we see an old rape of Sue Dibny, one which [[HandWave never had any impact on the Dibnys themselves]]... Rape was also inserted into [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Felicia Hardy’s]] past and used as a motivation to her becoming the Black Cat. As ugly as these incidents are, they stem from the '[[DarkerAndEdgier grim-’n'-gritty]]' turn comics took in the mid-[[TheEighties 1980s]] as much as the obsession with retconning."''

->''"It's as if current DC editorial can't stand the thought that there was ever [[TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks a lighthearted story]] in their history, and rather than leaving them alone as a valuable counterpoint to the darkening of the DC universe, they're determined to force them into this new paradigm, whether they fit or not, and no matter what damage is done to the old stories in the process. It'd be one thing to just say that Max went rogue, but to assert that [[EvilAllAlong he was always engaged in this sort of activity]], in direct contradiction to his expressed thoughts when first published? [[VoodooShark Doesn't work for me,]] and makes me buy into the whole premise all the less."''

->''"One of [[Creator/NeilGaiman Gaiman’s]] advertising promises for his episode was that he wanted to have written a part for Creator/MattSmith that would secure him an {{BAFTA}} next year...instead what we get is a schizophrenic evaluation of his character which seems to suggest that the Doctor is actually [[DirtyOldMan some horribly sexist old letch]]. In Creator/StevenMoffat’s world, maybe, but not mine (there was an interesting note in ''The Writer’s Tale'' where [[Creator/RussellTDavies RTD]] notes that Moffat cannot help but write his characters as [[AuthorAppeal sexual beings]], which might be another reason why he feels a little out of character on occasion during this era)."''

!!!On works

->''"One of [[Creator/NeilGaiman Gaiman’s]] advertising promises for his episode was that he wanted to have written a part for Creator/MattSmith that would secure him an {{BAFTA}} next year...instead what we get is a schizophrenic evaluation of his character which seems to suggest that the Doctor is actually [[DirtyOldMan some horribly sexist old letch]]. In Creator/StevenMoffat’s world, maybe, but not mine (there was an interesting note in ''The Writer’s Tale'' where [[Creator/RussellTDavies RTD]] notes that Moffat cannot help but write his characters as sexual beings, which might be another reason why he feels a little out of character on occasion during this era)."''

-->--'''[[ Doc Oho]]''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS33E12NightmareInSilver}} "A Nightmare in Silver"]]

->''"...''InfiniteCrisis'', a series that was ostensibly meant to be a 20th Anniversary follow-up to ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'' that instead became a [[{{Narm}} truly ludicrous pastiche]]. The main storyline began with Superboy-Prime literally ''punching continuity'' in order to '[[ArmedWithCanon fix]]' things and ended with the Golden Age Superman getting [[BloodierAndGorier bloodily beaten to death]]. It was charming, I assure you."''

->''"'Crossover' brings on the same feeling as reading dark, brooding, overtly sexual fanfic based on a cheerful kids’ cartoon. By which I mean, it completely misses the tone of the original work it’s building upon. The Mirror Universe on [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]] was scary and violent, but it definitely wasn’t dark and depressing like it is here. The people who served on the ''ISS Enterprise'' weren’t morose or angst-ridden, and other than, you know, the constant threat of assassination and torture, the Mirror Universe seemed like [[EvilIsCool an exciting place to be.]]"''

->''"But let’s backtrack a second to 2006 and ''InfiniteCrisis'', a series that was ostensibly meant to be a 20th Anniversary follow-up to ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'' that instead became a truly ludicrous pastiche. The main storyline began with Superboy-Prime literally ''punching continuity'' in order to 'fix' things and ended with the Golden Age Superman getting [[BloodierAndGorier bloodily beaten to death]]. It was charming, I assure you."''

->''"{{DC}} is going out of its way to try to explain away all the [[TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks lighter moments]] in its history, first with [[IdentityCrisis IDENTITY CRISIS]][='s=] mindwipe explanation for [[NotSoHarmlessVillain the goofy villains]] of the Silver Age, and now with this supposed revelation that the goofier moments of [[JusticeLeagueInternational JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL]] were [[ShooOutTheClowns all just a feint]] by Maxwell Lord to keep them distracted from his real, more sinister agenda. It's as if current DC editorial can't stand the thought that there was ever a lighthearted story in their history, and rather than leaving them alone as a valuable counterpoint to the darkening of the DC universe, they're determined to force them into this new paradigm, whether they fit or not, and no matter what damage is done to the old stories in the process. It'd be one thing to just say that Max went rogue, but to assert that [[EvilAllAlong he was always engaged in this sort of activity]], in direct contradiction to his expressed thoughts when first published? [[VoodooShark Doesn't work for me,]] and makes me buy into the whole premise all the less."''

->''"Sue Dibny was the wife of Ralph Dibny, the {{Elongated Man}}. The two were always [[HappilyMarried the happy couple]] of the superhero set, with Sue often acting as [[TeamMom den mother]] to the Justice League, and the pair did detective work on the side, like some sort of stretchy [[TheThinMan Nick and Nora Charles]]. Then came the ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' mini-series.\\\
Right off the bat, Sue gets [[StuffedIntoTheFridge horribly burned to death]] in her home. The culprit is unknown, but based on the evidence, the League suspects it to be Dr. Light. Now Doc Light is usually [[HarmlessVillain a D-list villain]].. but we find out through a flashback that one day, when Sue was hanging out on the Justice League satellite (by herself, in space), Dr. Light somehow managed to get aboard. Yes, a supervillain had somehow [[SwissCheeseSecurity gained access to the League's high-tech HQ]] (in space), and that was when he decided to rape Sue to within an inch of her life. The League showed up soon after to pull him off of her, but the damage was done, and they had [[MindWipe to blank Sue's memory]] to make her forget it. I wish they could do that to ''my'' memory—when I close my eyes, I keep seeing [[BrainBleach Dr. Light's rolling eyeballs and wagging tongue]] as he violates a minor character who never hurt anybody."''
-->--'''''Topless Robot''''', [[http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/06/the_10_worst_women_in_refridgerators_ie_cases_of_v.php?page=2 "The 10 Worst Women in Refrigerators"]]

->''"Sue Dibny was the wife of Ralph Dibny, the {{Elongated Man}}. The two were always [[HappilyMarried the happy couple]] of the superhero set, with Sue often acting as den mother to the JusticeLeague, and the pair did detective work on the side, like some sort of stretchy [[TheThinMan Nick and Nora Charles]]. Then came the ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' mini-series.\\\

->''"One consequence of this is the retroactive 'darkening' of superhero comics from bygone days. This is most evident in the now-infamous ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'', in which we see an old rape of Sue Dibny, one which [[HandWave never had any impact on the Dibnys themselves]]... Rape was also inserted into [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Felicia Hardy’s]] past and used as a motivation to her becoming the Black Cat. As ugly as these incidents are, they stem from the '[[DarkerAndEdgier grim-’n'-gritty]]' turn comics took in the mid-[[TheEighties 1980s]] as much as the obsession with retconning."''

-->--'''''Website/TheAgonyBooth''''' on ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''''' ("Crossover")

Right off the bat, Sue gets [[StuffedIntoTheFridge horribly burned to death]] in her home. The culprit is unknown, but based on the evidence, the League suspects it to be Dr. Light. Now Doc Light is usually [[HarmlessVillain a D-list villain]], and he actually had his name [[NamesTheSame stolen by a superhero once]], but we find out through a flashback that one day, when Sue was hanging out on the Justice League satellite (by herself, in space), Dr. Light somehow managed to get aboard. Yes, a supervillain had somehow [[SwissCheeseSecurity gained access to the League's high-tech HQ]] (in space), and that was when he decided to rape Sue to within an inch of her life. The League showed up soon after to pull him off of her, but the damage was done, and they had [[MindWipe to blank Sue's memory]] to make her forget it. I wish they could do that to ''my'' memory—when I close my eyes, I keep seeing [[BrainBleach Dr. Light's rolling eyeballs and wagging tongue]] as he violates a minor character who never hurt anybody."''

->''"{{DC}} is going out of its way to try to explain away all the [[TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks lighter moments]] in its history, first with [[IdentityCrisis IDENTITY CRISIS]][='s=] [[HandWave mindwipe explanation]] for the goofy villains of the Silver Age, and now with this supposed revelation that the goofier moments of [[JusticeLeagueInternational JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL]] were all just a feint by Maxwell Lord to keep them distracted from his real, more sinister agenda. It's as if current DC editorial can't stand the thought that there was ever a lighthearted story in their history, and rather than leaving them alone as a valuable counterpoint to the darkening of the DC universe, they're determined to force them into this new paradigm, whether they fit or not, and no matter what damage is done to the old stories in the process. It'd be one thing to just say that Max went rogue, but to assert that [[EvilAllAlong he was always engaged in this sort of activity]], in direct contradiction to his expressed thoughts when first published? [[VoodooShark Doesn't work for me,]] and makes me buy into the whole premise all the less."''

->''"Retconning became a fairly big trend in comics that has continued to this day. ...One consequence of this is the retroactive “darkening” of superhero comics from bygone days. This is most evident in the now-infamous ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'', in which we see an old rape of Sue Dibny, one which [[HandWave never had any impact on the Dibnys themselves]] because it never happened in “real” {{DC}} time. Rape was also inserted into [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Felicia Hardy’s]] past and used as a motivation to her becoming the Black Cat. As ugly as these incidents are, they stem from the “[[DarkerAndEdgier grim-’n'-gritty]]” turn comics took in the mid-[[TheEighties 1980s]] as much as the obsession with retconning."''

->''"{{DC}} is going out of its way to try to explain away all the [[TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks lighter moments]] in its history, first with [[IdentityCrisis IDENTITY CRISIS]][='s=] [[HandWave mindwipe explanation]] for the goofy villains of the Silver Age, and now with this supposed revelation that the goofier moments of [[JusticeLeagueInternational JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL]] were [[TheManBehindTheMan all just a feint by Maxwell Lord]] to keep them distracted from his real, more sinister agenda. It's as if current DC editorial can't stand the thought that there was ever a lighthearted story in their history, and rather than leaving them alone as a valuable counterpoint to [[DarkerAndEdgier the darkening of the DC universe]], they're determined to force them into this new paradigm, whether they fit or not, and no matter what damage is done to the old stories in the process. It'd be one thing to just say that Max went rogue, but to assert that [[EvilAllAlong he was always engaged in this sort of activity]], in direct contradiction to his expressed thoughts when first published? Doesn't work for me, and makes me buy into the whole premise all the less."''

-->--''[[EdEddNEddy Ed, Edd n Eddy's]]'' ''[[TheMovie Big Picture Show]]''

-->-- ''SouthPark'', on TheyKilledKenny

->'''Eddy:''' I made it all up, Double D. Everything about my brother ''was a lie.'' I just made things up so people would like me; think I was cool. But boy was I wrong! [[NoodleIncident The scam,]] [[CompleteMonster my brother,]] this...''[[TearJerker When am I going to learn, Double D?]]''

->''"We got magic through anime style martial arts?!"\\
"Don't interrupt. And technically, yes, you did."''
-->--''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive''

-->--''ElGoonishShive''