History PlayingWith / MadonnaWhoreComplex

24th Jul '17 1:49:09 AM Twoeyesshort
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** Alice has trouble reconciling with this worldview. The "ideal" place for her to be is as a Madonna, which is generally held as the more respectable of the two, but comes with tight restrictions that make her life miserable, that will instantly shunt her into the "whore" category [[CantGetAwayWithNothing if she breaks them even once]]. Betty gets caught on the other end of this, being a "whore" who is seen as unworthy of respect and generally looked down upon even as she's lusted after, and try as she might, she can't do much about people seeing her as DefiledForever. Both find their positions belittling and dehumanising, if for different reasons.
14th Jul '17 6:44:36 PM ectostar
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'''Basic Trope''': [[ThereAreTwoKindsOfPeopleInTheWorld There are two kinds of women]]: Respectable Women who don't have sex (marriageable) and Whores who do have sex (not marriageable).
* '''Straight''': Bob has two women he likes: Alice (TheIngenue), and Betty (TheVamp).

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'''Basic Trope''': [[ThereAreTwoKindsOfPeopleInTheWorld There are two kinds of women]]: women]]; Respectable Women who don't have sex (marriageable) and Whores who do have sex (not marriageable).
* '''Straight''': Bob has two women he likes: Alice (TheIngenue), likes; Alice, TheIngenue, and Betty (TheVamp).Betty, TheVamp.



* '''Gender Inverted''': Alice has two men she likes: Bob (the shy NiceGuy) and Charles (TheCasanova).

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* '''Gender Inverted''': Alice has two men she likes: Bob (the likes; Bob, the shy NiceGuy) NiceGuy and Charles (TheCasanova).Charles, TheCasanova.



* '''Enforced''': MyGirlIsNotASlut, ValuesDissonance
* '''Lampshaded''': Bob says: "There are two kinds of women in the world: the women you marry and have kids with and the women you fuck."

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* '''Enforced''': MyGirlIsNotASlut, ValuesDissonance
'''Enforced''':
** MyGirlIsNotASlut.
** ValuesDissonance.
* '''Lampshaded''': Bob says: "There '''Lampshaded''':
-->'''Bob''': There
are two kinds of women in the world: the women you marry and have kids with and the women you fuck."



** Bob chooses Alice, the "good" girl, but she doesn't have a heck of a lot in common with him; he chooses her on the basis that "she'll make a good wife and mother." Eventually, Bob becomes bored with Alice, and finds himself tempted by Betty and her ilk. Alice is hurt because Bob is losing interest in her and neglecting her, and Bob is hurt because he now feels like it was a big mistake to marry Alice, he feels guilty for [[YourCheatingHeart cheating with]] (or just lusting after) Betty, he blames Betty for his problems, Alice is jealous of Betty, and (ironically) Alice and Bob's home life is in more danger than it likely would have been if he had just chosen Betty in the first place. The marriage becomes [[AwfulWeddedLife troubled]], and might just end altogether depending on [[ValuesDissonance the setting.]]

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** Bob chooses Alice, the "good" girl, but she doesn't have a heck of a lot in common with him; he chooses her on the basis that "she'll make a good wife and mother." Eventually, Bob becomes bored with Alice, and finds himself tempted by Betty and her ilk. Alice is hurt because Bob is losing interest in her and neglecting her, and Bob is hurt because he now feels like it was a big mistake to marry Alice, he feels guilty for [[YourCheatingHeart cheating with]] (or just lusting after) Betty, he blames Betty for his problems, Alice is jealous of Betty, and (ironically) Alice and Bob's home life is in more danger than it likely would have been if he had just chosen Betty in the first place. The marriage becomes [[AwfulWeddedLife troubled]], and might just end altogether depending on [[ValuesDissonance the setting.]] setting]].
25th Sep '16 7:50:30 AM ClarisWorks
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'''Basic Trope''': [[ThereAreTwoKindsOfPeopleInTheWorld There are two kinds of women]]: Good Women who don't have sex (marriageable) and Bad Women who do have sex (not marriageable).

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'''Basic Trope''': [[ThereAreTwoKindsOfPeopleInTheWorld There are two kinds of women]]: Good Respectable Women who don't have sex (marriageable) and Bad Women Whores who do have sex (not marriageable).



* '''Lampshaded''': Bob says: "There are two kinds of women in the world]]: the women for wedding and women for bedding."

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* '''Lampshaded''': Bob says: "There are two kinds of women in the world]]: world: the women for wedding you marry and have kids with and the women for bedding.you fuck."
22nd Jun '16 7:16:29 AM Kindle4Light
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* '''Justified''': Bob, Alice and Betty live in a society that closely links open sexuality with morality: Openly sexual = "whore", modest or non-sexual = "respectable woman".

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* '''Justified''': Bob, Alice and Betty live in a society that closely links open sexuality where they're taught to save sex for marriage, so the moral Alice does so while the immoral Betty has sex with morality: Openly sexual = "whore", modest or non-sexual = "respectable woman". other boys.



* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice is supposedly the Madonna, while Betty is the whore. But both shows different kinds of {{Fanservice}} such as Alice's pants outlining her butt while Betty wears ZettaiRyouiki. Betty actually developed feelings for Bob and even [[PetTheDog took care for him several times such as doing his chores when he's sick]] despite continuing her whore complex. Alice was later revealed to be CuteButPsycho, and wasn't happy with Bob and Betty's relationship.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice is supposedly the Madonna, while Betty is the whore. But both shows different kinds of {{Fanservice}} such as Alice's pants outlining her butt [[PureIsNotGood purity isn't portrayed as a good thing]], while Betty wears ZettaiRyouiki. Betty actually developed feelings for Bob and even [[PetTheDog took care for him several times such as doing his chores when he's sick]] despite continuing her whore complex. Alice was later revealed to be CuteButPsycho, and wasn't happy with Bob and Betty's relationship.does show PetTheDog moments, especially towards Bob.



* '''Reconstructed''': SexIsGood; it is realized that the "good" girl Bob marries likely wants to have (and enjoy) post-marital sex, not just LieBackAndThinkOfEngland, and the "wild" woman Bob hooks up with is (barring a drug addiction or other major malfunction ''not'' related to her sexuality) very likely capable of being nurturing and faithful.

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* '''Reconstructed''': SexIsGood; it is realized it's just that the "good" girl Bob marries likely Alice wants to have (and enjoy) post-marital sex, not just LieBackAndThinkOfEngland, and the "wild" woman Bob hooks up with is (barring a drug addiction or other major malfunction ''not'' related to save it till marriage herself, while Betty got into trouble because her sexuality) very likely capable of being nurturing and faithful. uncontrolled sex life gave her [=STDs=], unwanted pregnancies etc.



** A plotline involving HonorRelatedAbuse and/or SexIsEvilAndIAmHorny
** LoveTriangle
** IfICantHaveYou
** EntitledToHaveYou
** Bob chooses Alice because "she'd make a good wife," but thinks she's too "vanilla" for his tastes, and finds himself tempted by Betty.
** MommyIssues
** DoggedNiceGuy

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** A plotline involving HonorRelatedAbuse and/or SexIsEvilAndIAmHorny
LoveTriangle between Alice, Bob and Betty.
** LoveTriangle
** IfICantHaveYou
** EntitledToHaveYou
For all her good deeds, [[EntitledToHaveYou Alice expected Bob to choose her]], but he picked Betty instead. She didn't take it well and [[IfICantHaveYou snapped]].
** Bob has MommyIssues and is a DoggedNiceGuy who chooses Alice because "she'd make a good wife," but thinks she's too "vanilla" for his tastes, and finds himself tempted by Betty.
** MommyIssues
** DoggedNiceGuy
wooing Betty instead.
10th Jun '16 8:54:53 AM DannWoolf
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* '''Subverted''': Bob has third woman he had interest in. She's Charlie, the HookerWithAHeartOfGold.

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* '''Subverted''': Bob has a third woman he had has interest in. She's Charlie, the HookerWithAHeartOfGold.
10th Jun '16 6:59:17 AM imadmagician
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice is supposedly the madonna, while Betty is the whore. But both shows diferent kinds of {{Fanservice}} such as Alice's pants outlining her butt while Betty wears ZettaiRyouiki. Betty actually developed feelings for Bob and even [[PetTheDog took care for him several times such as doing his chores when he's sick]] despite continuing her whore complex. Alice was later revealed to be CuteButPsycho, and wasn't happy with Bob and Betty's relationship.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice is supposedly the madonna, Madonna, while Betty is the whore. But both shows diferent different kinds of {{Fanservice}} such as Alice's pants outlining her butt while Betty wears ZettaiRyouiki. Betty actually developed feelings for Bob and even [[PetTheDog took care for him several times such as doing his chores when he's sick]] despite continuing her whore complex. Alice was later revealed to be CuteButPsycho, and wasn't happy with Bob and Betty's relationship.



* '''Lampshaded''': Bob says: "There are two kinds of women in the world: the women for wedding and women for bedding."

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* '''Lampshaded''': Bob says: "There are two kinds of women in the world: world]]: the women for wedding and women for bedding."



* '''Reconstructed''': SexIsGood; it is realized that the "good" girl Bob marries likely wants to have (and enjoy) extramarital sex, not just LieBackAndThinkOfEngland, and the "wild" woman Bob hooks up with is (barring a drug addiction or other major malfunction ''not'' related to her sexuality) very likely capable of being nurturing and faithful.

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* '''Reconstructed''': SexIsGood; it is realized that the "good" girl Bob marries likely wants to have (and enjoy) extramarital post-marital sex, not just LieBackAndThinkOfEngland, and the "wild" woman Bob hooks up with is (barring a drug addiction or other major malfunction ''not'' related to her sexuality) very likely capable of being nurturing and faithful.
5th Jun '16 1:43:34 PM imadmagician
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* '''Reconstructed''': SexIsGood; it is realized that the "good" girl Bob marries likely wants to have (and enjoy) sex, not just LieBackAndThinkOfEngland, and the "wild" woman Bob hooks up with is (barring a drug addiction or other major malfunction ''not'' related to her sexuality) very likely capable of being nurturing and faithful.

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* '''Reconstructed''': SexIsGood; it is realized that the "good" girl Bob marries likely wants to have (and enjoy) extramarital sex, not just LieBackAndThinkOfEngland, and the "wild" woman Bob hooks up with is (barring a drug addiction or other major malfunction ''not'' related to her sexuality) very likely capable of being nurturing and faithful.
12th Apr '16 5:03:45 PM Eievie
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'''Basic Trope''': [[ThereAreTwoKindsOfPeopleInTheWorld There are two kinds of women]]: Good women who don't have sex (marriageable) and Bad Women who do have sex (not marriageable).

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'''Basic Trope''': [[ThereAreTwoKindsOfPeopleInTheWorld There are two kinds of women]]: Good women Women who don't have sex (marriageable) and Bad Women who do have sex (not marriageable).



* '''Exaggerated''':
** Betty and Alice ''are'' the only women in the world!
** Women are literally divided into a caste system in which they can either be married or prostitutes

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* '''Exaggerated''':
** Betty and Alice ''are'' the only women in the world!
**
'''Exaggerated''': Women are literally divided into a caste system in which they can either be married or prostitutes



** Bob has a relationship with Alice that ''does'' include sex, but only exclusive to him and with a condom; or only after marriage and only for procreation.

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** Bob has a relationship with Alice that ''does'' include sex, but only exclusive to him monogamously and with a condom; or only after marriage and only for procreation.



* '''Subverted''': Bob has another woman he had interest in. She is Charlie, the HookerWithAHeartOfGold.

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* '''Subverted''': Bob has another third woman he had interest in. She is She's Charlie, the HookerWithAHeartOfGold.



* '''Lampshaded''': Bob says: "There are two kinds of women in the world: the women you marry and have kids with, and the women you fuck".

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* '''Lampshaded''': Bob says: "There are two kinds of women in the world: the women you marry for wedding and have kids with, and the women you fuck".for bedding."
11th Jan '16 6:31:06 AM VPhantom
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** Bob has a relationship with Alice that ''does'' include sex, but only exclusive to him and with a condom.
*** Or, alternatively, only after marriage and only for procreation.

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** Bob has a relationship with Alice that ''does'' include sex, but only exclusive to him and with a condom.
*** Or, alternatively,
condom; or only after marriage and only for procreation.
11th Jan '16 6:29:30 AM MsChibi
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*** Or, alternatively, only after marriage and only for procreation.
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