History PlayingWith / MadonnaWhoreComplex

7th Feb '18 3:08:32 PM MasterN
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** Alice just wants to save sex till marriage, while Betty gets into trouble because her uncontrolled sex life gave her [=STDs=], unwanted pregnancies, etc.

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** Alice just wants to save sex till marriage, while Betty Carol gets into trouble because her uncontrolled sex life gave her [=STDs=], unwanted pregnancies, etc.
7th Feb '18 3:06:40 PM MasterN
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* '''Straight''': [[BettyAndVeronica Bob has two women he likes]]; Alice, TheIngenue, and Carol, TheVamp.

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* '''Straight''': [[BettyAndVeronica Bob has two women he likes]]; who like him]]; Alice, TheIngenue, and Carol, TheVamp.



* '''Justified''': Bob, Alice and Carol live in a society where they're taught to save sex for marriage, so the “moral” Alice does so while the “immoral” Carol has sex with other boys.

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* '''Justified''': Bob, Alice Alice, and Carol live in a society where they're taught to save sex for marriage, so the “moral” Alice does so while the “immoral” Carol has sex with other boys.



* '''Gender Inverted''': Alice has two men she likes; Bob, the shy NiceGuy and Charles, TheCasanova.
* '''Subverted''': Bob has a third woman he has interest in. She's Charlie, the HookerWithAHeartOfGold.

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* '''Gender Inverted''': Alice has two men she likes; who like her; Bob, the shy NiceGuy NiceGuy, and Charles, TheCasanova.
* '''Subverted''': Bob has a third woman he has interest in. She's Charlie, Debbie, the HookerWithAHeartOfGold.



** Turns out she is a BitchInSheepsClothing, making her a bad whore like Carol.
** It turns out that Charlie was actually [[SexSlave forced into prostitution]]. Once she escapes from her captors she vows not to have sex again until she's married, making her a Madonna like Alice.
* '''Parodied''': Alice is [[SourPrudes blatantly meaner]] than Carol, but Bob, in his twisted logic, thinks Alice is good since she is a virgin.

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** Turns out she Debbie is a BitchInSheepsClothing, making her a bad whore like Carol.
** It turns out that Charlie Debbie was actually [[SexSlave forced into prostitution]]. Once she escapes from her captors she vows not to have sex again until she's married, making her a Madonna like Alice.
* '''Parodied''': Alice is [[SourPrudes blatantly meaner]] than Carol, but Bob, in his twisted logic, InsaneTrollLogic, thinks Alice is good since she is a virgin.



* '''Invoked''': Bob's parents teach him how to find the perfect wife.

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* '''Invoked''': Bob's old-fashioned parents teach him how to find the perfect wife.
7th Dec '17 4:58:43 PM MasterN
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** LoveTriangle between Alice, Bob and Betty.
** For all her good deeds, [[EntitledToHaveYou Alice expected Bob to choose her]], but he picked Betty instead. She didn't take it well and [[IfICantHaveYou snapped]].
** Bob has MommyIssues and is a DoggedNiceGuy who chooses Alice because "she'd make a good wife," but thinks she's too "vanilla" for his tastes, and finds himself wooing Betty instead.

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** LoveTriangle between [[BettyAndVeronica Alice, Bob and Betty.
Carol.]]
** [[DoggedNiceGuy For all her good deeds, deeds]], [[EntitledToHaveYou Alice expected Bob to choose her]], but he picked Betty Carol instead. She didn't take it well and [[IfICantHaveYou snapped]].
** Bob has MommyIssues and is a DoggedNiceGuy who chooses Alice because "she'd make a good wife," but thinks she's too "vanilla" for his tastes, and finds himself wooing Betty Carol instead.



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7th Dec '17 4:56:51 PM MasterN
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** Alice is CuteAndPsycho. Carol is an {{All Loving Hero}}ine. While Alice becomes more and more unhinged and [[DomesticAbuse abusive]], and Bob stays with her because they both want to live the perfect, suitable suburban life, Carol is a healthy, generous, and romantic person. She ends up finding someone who loves her and thinks that she is wonderful for who she is inside, and they have the epitome of a beautiful love and family life. Bob and Alice's children end up asking her help, because they do not want to repeat the mistakes of their parents.

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** Alice is CuteAndPsycho. Carol is an {{All Loving Hero}}ine. While Alice becomes more and more unhinged and [[DomesticAbuse abusive]], and Bob stays with her because they both want to live the perfect, suitable suburban life, Carol is a healthy, generous, and romantic person. She ends up finding someone who loves her and thinks that she is wonderful for who she is inside, and they have the epitome of a beautiful love and family life. Bob Debbie and Alice's children Emma, Alice and Bob’s children, end up asking for her help, because they do not want to repeat the mistakes of their parents.



* '''Reconstructed''': SexIsGood; it's just that Alice wants to save it till marriage herself, while Betty got into trouble because her uncontrolled sex life gave her [=STDs=], unwanted pregnancies etc.

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* '''Reconstructed''': SexIsGood; it's just that '''Reconstructed''':
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Alice divorces Bob and marries Charlie, who thinks like she does, and they become HappilyMarried.
** Debbie winds up a prude like Alice and finds someone she loves, while Emma emulates Carol’s lifestyle and fails to find a meaningful relationship.
** Alice just
wants to save it sex till marriage herself, marriage, while Betty got gets into trouble because her uncontrolled sex life gave her [=STDs=], unwanted pregnancies pregnancies, etc.
7th Dec '17 4:29:33 PM MasterN
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** Alice is CuteAndPsycho. Carol is an {{All Loving Hero}}ine. While Alice becomes more and more unhinged and [[DomesticAbuse abusive]], and Bob stays with her because they both want to live the perfect, suitable suburban life, Carol is a healthy, generous, and romantic person. She ends up finding someone who loves her and thinks that she is wonderful for who she is inside, and they have the epitome of a beautiful love and family life, and Bob and Alice's children end up asking her help, because they do not want to repeat the life of their parents.
** Alice has trouble reconciling with this worldview. The "ideal" place for her to be is as a Madonna, which is generally held as the more respectable of the two, but comes with tight restrictions that make her life miserable, that will instantly shunt her into the "whore" category [[CantGetAwayWithNothing if she breaks them even once]]. Betty gets caught on the other end of this, being a "whore" who is seen as unworthy of respect and generally looked down upon even as she's lusted after, and try as she might, she can't do much about people seeing her as DefiledForever. Both find their positions belittling and dehumanising, if for different reasons.

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** Alice is CuteAndPsycho. Carol is an {{All Loving Hero}}ine. While Alice becomes more and more unhinged and [[DomesticAbuse abusive]], and Bob stays with her because they both want to live the perfect, suitable suburban life, Carol is a healthy, generous, and romantic person. She ends up finding someone who loves her and thinks that she is wonderful for who she is inside, and they have the epitome of a beautiful love and family life, and life. Bob and Alice's children end up asking her help, because they do not want to repeat the life mistakes of their parents.
** Alice has trouble reconciling with this worldview. The "ideal" place for her to be is as a Madonna, which is generally held as the more respectable of the two, but comes with tight restrictions that make her life miserable, that will instantly shunt her into the "whore" category [[CantGetAwayWithNothing if she breaks them even once]]. Betty Carol gets caught on the other end of this, being a "whore" who is seen as unworthy of respect and generally looked down upon even as she's lusted after, and try as she might, she can't do much about people seeing her as DefiledForever. Both find their positions belittling and dehumanising, if for different reasons.
7th Dec '17 4:28:10 PM MasterN
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* '''Justified''': Bob, Alice and Carol live in a society where they're taught to save sex for marriage, so the “moral” Alice does so while the “immoral” Betty has sex with other boys.

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* '''Justified''': Bob, Alice and Carol live in a society where they're taught to save sex for marriage, so the “moral” Alice does so while the “immoral” Betty Carol has sex with other boys.



** Turns out she is a BitchInSheepsClothing, making her a bad whore like Betty.

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** Turns out she is a BitchInSheepsClothing, making her a bad whore like Betty.Carol.



* '''Parodied''': Alice is [[SourPrudes blatantly meaner]] than Betty, but Bob, in his twisted logic, thinks Alice is good since she is a virgin.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice's [[PureIsNotGood purity isn't portrayed as a good thing]], while Betty does show PetTheDog moments, especially towards Bob.
* '''Averted''': Neither Alice's nor Betty's morals are connected to their sexuality.

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* '''Parodied''': Alice is [[SourPrudes blatantly meaner]] than Betty, Carol, but Bob, in his twisted logic, thinks Alice is good since she is a virgin.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice's [[PureIsNotGood purity isn't portrayed as a good thing]], while Betty Carol does show PetTheDog moments, especially towards Bob.
* '''Averted''': Neither Alice's nor Betty's Carol’s morals are connected to their sexuality.



* '''Exploited''': Bob is dating Betty, but [[ParentalMarriageVeto his family doesn't approve]]; [[AnimeInLaws they introduce him to]] Alice, the daughter of one of their friends from church and all the while hinting what a 'NiceGirl' she is.
* '''Defied''': After a series of critical thinking, Bob decides to see each girl as more than whether they're virgins.
* '''Discussed''': "Betty is fun and sexy, but would you really want ''her'' to be the mother of ''your'' kids?"

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* '''Exploited''': '''Exploited''':
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Bob is dating Betty, Carol, but [[ParentalMarriageVeto his family doesn't approve]]; [[AnimeInLaws they introduce him to]] Alice, the daughter of one of their friends from church and all the while hinting what a 'NiceGirl' she is.
** Alice uses this to try to [[RelationshipSabotage manipulate Bob into breaking up with Carol and choosing her instead.]]
* '''Defied''': After a series of critical thinking, some thought, Bob decides to see each girl as more than whether they're virgins.
* '''Discussed''': "Betty "Carol is fun and sexy, but would you really want ''her'' to be the mother of ''your'' kids?"



* '''Implied''': They are characters in a kids show, so the writers keep it family friendly and avoid naming sex directly. Instead, Bob does not want to date Betty because "she's had too many boyfriends".

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* '''Implied''': They are characters in a kids show, so the writers keep it family friendly and avoid naming sex directly. Instead, Bob does not want to date Betty Carol because "she's had too many boyfriends".



** Bob chooses Alice, the "good" girl, but she doesn't have a heck of a lot in common with him; he chooses her on the basis that "she'll make a good wife and mother." Eventually, Bob becomes bored with Alice, and finds himself tempted by Betty and her ilk. Alice is hurt because Bob is losing interest in her and neglecting her, and Bob is hurt because he now feels like it was a big mistake to marry Alice, he feels guilty for [[YourCheatingHeart cheating with]] (or just lusting after) Betty, he blames Betty for his problems, Alice is jealous of Betty, and (ironically) Alice and Bob's home life is in more danger than it likely would have been if he had just chosen Betty in the first place. The marriage becomes [[AwfulWeddedLife troubled]], and might just end altogether depending on [[ValuesDissonance the setting]].
** Alice and Bob are CuteButPsycho. Betty is an {{All Loving Hero}}ine. While Alice and Bob become more and more sociopathic {{Stepford Smiler}}s who want to live the perfect, suitable suburban life, Betty is a healthy, generous, and romantic person. She ends up finding someone who loves her and thinks that she is important for what she is inside, has the epitome of a beautiful love and family life, and Bob and Alice's children end up asking her help, because they do not want to repeat the life of their parents.

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** Bob chooses Alice, the "good" girl, but she doesn't have a heck of a lot in common with him; he chooses her on the basis that "she'll make a good wife and mother." Eventually, Bob becomes bored with Alice, and finds himself tempted by Betty Carol and her ilk. Alice is hurt because Bob is losing interest in her and neglecting her, and Bob is hurt because he now feels like it was a big mistake to marry Alice, he feels guilty for [[YourCheatingHeart cheating with]] (or just lusting after) Betty, he Carol and blames Betty her for his problems, Alice is jealous of Betty, Carol, and (ironically) ironically, Alice and Bob's home life is in more danger than it likely would have been if he had just chosen Betty Carol in the first place. The marriage becomes [[AwfulWeddedLife troubled]], and might just end altogether depending on [[ValuesDissonance the setting]].
** Alice and Bob are CuteButPsycho. Betty is CuteAndPsycho. Carol is an {{All Loving Hero}}ine. While Alice and Bob become becomes more and more sociopathic {{Stepford Smiler}}s who unhinged and [[DomesticAbuse abusive]], and Bob stays with her because they both want to live the perfect, suitable suburban life, Betty Carol is a healthy, generous, and romantic person. She ends up finding someone who loves her and thinks that she is important wonderful for what who she is inside, has and they have the epitome of a beautiful love and family life, and Bob and Alice's children end up asking her help, because they do not want to repeat the life of their parents.
7th Dec '17 4:21:40 PM MasterN
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* '''Straight''': [[BettyAndVeronica Bob has two women he likes]]; Alice, TheIngenue, and Betty, TheVamp.
* '''Exaggerated''': Women are literally divided into a caste system in which they can either be married or prostitutes

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* '''Straight''': [[BettyAndVeronica Bob has two women he likes]]; Alice, TheIngenue, and Betty, Carol, TheVamp.
* '''Exaggerated''': Women are literally divided into a caste system in which they can either be married or prostitutesprostitutes.



* '''Justified''': Bob, Alice and Betty live in a society where they're taught to save sex for marriage, so the moral Alice does so while the immoral Betty has sex with other boys.

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* '''Justified''': Bob, Alice and Betty Carol live in a society where they're taught to save sex for marriage, so the moral “moral” Alice does so while the immoral “immoral” Betty has sex with other boys.



** Betty is a HookerWithAHeartOfGold, while Alice is a {{Sour Prude|s}} who [[StrawFeminist always condemns men]] [[AllMenArePerverts only wanting to have sex]].
** The difference between the two women are either their morality or their chastity, but not both.

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** Betty Carol is a HookerWithAHeartOfGold, while Alice is a {{Sour Prude|s}} who [[StrawFeminist always condemns men]] [[AllMenArePerverts only for wanting to have sex]].
** The difference between the two women are is either their morality or their chastity, but not both.



** Conversely, it turns out that Charlie was actually [[SexSlave forced into prostitution]]. Once she escapes from her captors she vows not to have sex again until she's married, making her a Madonna like Alice.
* '''Parodied''': Alice is blatantly meaner than Betty, but Bob, in his twisted logic, thinks Alice is good since she is a virgin.

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** Conversely, it It turns out that Charlie was actually [[SexSlave forced into prostitution]]. Once she escapes from her captors she vows not to have sex again until she's married, making her a Madonna like Alice.
* '''Parodied''': Alice is [[SourPrudes blatantly meaner meaner]] than Betty, but Bob, in his twisted logic, thinks Alice is good since she is a virgin.



-->'''Bob''': There are two kinds of women in the world: the women you marry and have kids with and the women you fuck.

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-->'''Bob''': There are two kinds of women in the world: the women you marry and [[InsaneTrollLogic have kids with and the women you fuck.]]
7th Dec '17 3:42:16 PM MasterN
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* '''Straight''': Bob has two women he likes; Alice, TheIngenue, and Betty, TheVamp.

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* '''Straight''': [[BettyAndVeronica Bob has two women he likes; likes]]; Alice, TheIngenue, and Betty, TheVamp.
24th Jul '17 1:49:09 AM Twoeyesshort
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Added DiffLines:

** Alice has trouble reconciling with this worldview. The "ideal" place for her to be is as a Madonna, which is generally held as the more respectable of the two, but comes with tight restrictions that make her life miserable, that will instantly shunt her into the "whore" category [[CantGetAwayWithNothing if she breaks them even once]]. Betty gets caught on the other end of this, being a "whore" who is seen as unworthy of respect and generally looked down upon even as she's lusted after, and try as she might, she can't do much about people seeing her as DefiledForever. Both find their positions belittling and dehumanising, if for different reasons.
14th Jul '17 6:44:36 PM ectostar
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'''Basic Trope''': [[ThereAreTwoKindsOfPeopleInTheWorld There are two kinds of women]]: Respectable Women who don't have sex (marriageable) and Whores who do have sex (not marriageable).
* '''Straight''': Bob has two women he likes: Alice (TheIngenue), and Betty (TheVamp).

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'''Basic Trope''': [[ThereAreTwoKindsOfPeopleInTheWorld There are two kinds of women]]: women]]; Respectable Women who don't have sex (marriageable) and Whores who do have sex (not marriageable).
* '''Straight''': Bob has two women he likes: Alice (TheIngenue), likes; Alice, TheIngenue, and Betty (TheVamp).Betty, TheVamp.



* '''Gender Inverted''': Alice has two men she likes: Bob (the shy NiceGuy) and Charles (TheCasanova).

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* '''Gender Inverted''': Alice has two men she likes: Bob (the likes; Bob, the shy NiceGuy) NiceGuy and Charles (TheCasanova).Charles, TheCasanova.



* '''Enforced''': MyGirlIsNotASlut, ValuesDissonance
* '''Lampshaded''': Bob says: "There are two kinds of women in the world: the women you marry and have kids with and the women you fuck."

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* '''Enforced''': MyGirlIsNotASlut, ValuesDissonance
'''Enforced''':
** MyGirlIsNotASlut.
** ValuesDissonance.
* '''Lampshaded''': Bob says: "There '''Lampshaded''':
-->'''Bob''': There
are two kinds of women in the world: the women you marry and have kids with and the women you fuck."



** Bob chooses Alice, the "good" girl, but she doesn't have a heck of a lot in common with him; he chooses her on the basis that "she'll make a good wife and mother." Eventually, Bob becomes bored with Alice, and finds himself tempted by Betty and her ilk. Alice is hurt because Bob is losing interest in her and neglecting her, and Bob is hurt because he now feels like it was a big mistake to marry Alice, he feels guilty for [[YourCheatingHeart cheating with]] (or just lusting after) Betty, he blames Betty for his problems, Alice is jealous of Betty, and (ironically) Alice and Bob's home life is in more danger than it likely would have been if he had just chosen Betty in the first place. The marriage becomes [[AwfulWeddedLife troubled]], and might just end altogether depending on [[ValuesDissonance the setting.]]

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** Bob chooses Alice, the "good" girl, but she doesn't have a heck of a lot in common with him; he chooses her on the basis that "she'll make a good wife and mother." Eventually, Bob becomes bored with Alice, and finds himself tempted by Betty and her ilk. Alice is hurt because Bob is losing interest in her and neglecting her, and Bob is hurt because he now feels like it was a big mistake to marry Alice, he feels guilty for [[YourCheatingHeart cheating with]] (or just lusting after) Betty, he blames Betty for his problems, Alice is jealous of Betty, and (ironically) Alice and Bob's home life is in more danger than it likely would have been if he had just chosen Betty in the first place. The marriage becomes [[AwfulWeddedLife troubled]], and might just end altogether depending on [[ValuesDissonance the setting.]] setting]].
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