Line #21 PlayingWith/MadonnaWhoreComplex


1	'''Basic Trope''': [[ThereAreTwoKindsOfPeopleInTheWorld There are two kinds of women]]: Respectable Women who don't have sex (marriageable) and Whores who do have sex (not marriageable). The former is favored.
2	* '''Straight''': The main premise revolves around [[BettyAndVeronica Bob having to choose between two female suitors of opposing types in regards to sexuality]]: Alice, TheIngenue, and Carol, TheVamp. In the end, Alice is held in high regard because of her chastity and obtains happiness by being HappilyMarried with Bob, while Carol is dumped, demonised and destroyed.
3	* '''Exaggerated''':
4	** Women are literally divided into a caste system in which they can either be married or prostitutes.
5	** Alice is the EmbodimentOfVirtue, and Carol is the EmbodimentOfVice.
6	** Even ''after'' marriage, women aren't supposed to ''enjoy'' or ''initiate'' sex, but rather [[LieBackAndThinkOfEngland endure it]] for the sake of keeping their husbands happy and producing sons for them. And it's culturally accepted that most married men will have ''at least'' one mistress, or hire prostitutes, to have sex with for pleasure. Married women aren't supposed to make a fuss about this.
7	** God and Satan play the roles of Madonna and Whore respectively, being a representation of everything good and evil in the world respectively.
8	* '''Downplayed''':
9	** Bob has a relationship with Alice that ''does'' include sex, but monogamously and with a condom; or only after marriage and only for procreation.
10	** Bob wants a girl who's over the party scene, [[SugarAndIcePersonality or never was into it]] [[{{Dandere}} in the first place]], feeling that a HardDrinkingPartyGirl who ReallyGetsAround is too immature with whom to settle down, or won't be a good role model to any children they might have.
11	** SensibleHeroesSkimpyVillains
12	** Whore or Madonna is judged by length of commitments before sex. A woman who had several boyfriends who slept with them after a year is pure while a woman who rushed into marriage and only slept with one man in her life would be considered whorish.
13	** Women are ''normally'' expect to be pure and chaste, but she shouldn't reject all kind of sexuality because NotWantingKidsIsWeird.
14	** A woman who lose her virginity within wedlock is considered pure even she is divorced and seeking for new husband, while an unmarried woman who has sex before marriage is treated as a whore for "disgracing the traditions".
15	* '''Justified''':
16	** Bob, Alice, and Carol live in a society where they're taught to save sex for marriage, so the "moral" Alice does so while the "immoral" Carol has sex with other boys.
17	** The show is a PeriodPiece, talking about a time where birth control didn't exist, where [=STD=]s ran rampant and death from childbirth was at an all time high. [[DeliberateValuesDissonance The values exposed simply reflect a past reality.]]
18	* '''Inverted''':
19	** The main premise revolves around two women: Carol, a fun-loving GoodBadGirl; and Alice, a {{Sour Prude\|s}} who [[StrawFeminist always condemns men]] [[AllMenArePerverts for wanting to have sex]]. The former obtains her happy ending while the latter suffers humiliation and/or death.
20	** The difference between the two women is either their morality or their chastity, but not both.
21	** There is [[VirginShaming a desira]][[MyGirlIsASlut bility flip]] - any woman who hasn't slept around a lot is considered unmarriageable. [[YourMom Saying that somebody's mother has only had sex with their father]] is a deathly insult.
22	* '''Gender Inverted''':
23	** The main premise revolves around Alice having to choose between two male suitors of opposing types in regards to sexuality: Bob, the ChasteHero, and Charles, TheCasanova. In the end, Bob is held in high regard because of his chastity and obtains happiness by being HappilyMarried with Alice, while Charles is dumped, demonised and destroyed.
24	** [[ThereAreTwoKindsOfPeopleInTheWorld There are two kinds of men]]: Chads who do have sex and are glorified for it, and Virgins who don't have sex and are mocked for it. Search "virgin chad meme" for details.
25	* '''Subverted''':
26	** Bob has a third woman he has interest in. She's Debbie, the HookerWithAHeartOfGold.
27	** Alice secretly has a lot of sex and Carol acts like TheVamp only for effect, so the "Madonnas" and "whores" are pretty similar.
28	** Bob decides that he doesn't want to take the time to [[TheirFirstTime "show Alice the ropes"]] on their wedding night, and he'd rather have a wife who "knows what she's doing."
29	** Carol isn't a virgin, but it's because she was {{rape\|AsBackstory}}d, not because she had consensual sex.
30	** After marriage, Alice is expected to just magically flip a switch and become the ultimate sex goddess (but only for Bob,of course), and be available to him whenever he wants.
31	* '''Double Subverted''':
32	** Turns out Debbie is a BitchInSheepsClothing, making her a bad whore like Carol.
33	** It turns out that Debbie was actually [[SexSlave forced into prostitution]]. Once she escapes from her captors she vows not to have sex again until she's married, making her a Madonna like Alice.
34	** He caves to pressure from his family and marries Alice.
35	** Bob still considers her to be "DefiledForever."
36	** Even she was raped, Carol still be PromiscuityAfterRape.
37	** Alice does exactly that, and Bob loses respect for her, because he liked [[WantingIsBetterThanHaving the thrill of the chase]] too much.
38	** Alice simply ''can't'' just "flip the switch" and go from GirlNextDoor to SexGoddess. Both Bob and Alice feel ripped off, like they're trapped into something that "wasn't supposed to be this way."
39	* '''Parodied''': Alice is [[SourPrudes blatantly meaner]] than Carol, but Bob, in his InsaneTrollLogic, thinks Alice is good since she is a virgin.
40	* '''Zig Zagged''':
41	** Alice's [[PureIsNotGood purity isn't portrayed as a good thing]], while Carol does show PetTheDog moments, especially towards Bob.
42	** There is a [[TakeAThirdOption another accepted but pidgeon holed option for women]].
43	** Carol's ReallyGetsAround is considered as a bad thing, but [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale she can easily get away]] [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnFemale from her rape actions]]...which later [[FalseRapeAccusation turn out to be false rumors]] and all of her partners are consensually sleep with her...[[ChastityCouple which consist of nothing]] [[InnocentInnuendo further than ''literally'' sleep]]. Later, she is criticized for having sex with Alice's husband....who is going to divorce from her to re-marry with Carol. However, Carol still being criticized [[{{Doublethink}} both]] from [[MenActWomenAre being too sexually dominant toward her husband]], and performing sex too infrequently after marriage.
44	** For whatever reason, there is SelectiveEnforcement of it, Alice is required to be pure and chaste to be accepted, Carol is considered too promiscuous and too immature with whom to settle down [[MyGirlIsASlut despite there are some men who find her attractive]], Debbie is a GoodBadGirl who uses her extravagantly promiscuous lifestyle to boost her popularity and receives good reputation, and Emma is a {{Sour Prude\|s}} OldMaid who is portrayed as [[LonersAreFreaks weird]] and undesirable.
45	* '''Averted''':
46	** Neither Alice's nor Carol's morals are connected to their sexuality.
47	** [[NoHuggingNoKissing Sexuality is absented in the work]].
48	* '''Enforced''':
49	** MyGirlIsNotASlut
50	** ValuesDissonance
51	** MenActWomenAre
52	** NatureAdoresAVirgin
53	** ContractualPurity
54	* '''Lampshaded''':
55	-->'''Bob''': There are two kinds of women in the world: the women you marry and [[InsaneTrollLogic have kids with and the women you fuck]].
56	* '''Invoked''': Bob's old-fashioned parents teach him how to find the perfect wife.
57	* '''Exploited''':
58	** Bob is dating Carol, but [[ParentalMarriageVeto his family doesn't approve]]; [[AnimeInLaws they introduce him to]] Alice, the daughter of one of their friends from church and all the while hinting what a 'NiceGirl' she is.
59	** Alice uses this to try to [[RelationshipSabotage manipulate Bob into breaking up with Carol and choosing her instead]].
60	** In this society, rape is not seen as the result of a power trip or anger issues, but rather as the result of unresolved sexual lust. So a class of "unmarriageable" women like Carol, who are allowed to do pretty much anything sexually, has been created just for this purpose, because men can use and abuse them instead of carrying out their perversions on "respectable" women whose chastity mustn't be sullied by men's desire, on penalty of death for both the man (for raping a "pure" woman) and the woman (who is now DefiledForever).
61	* '''Defied''':
62	** After some thought, Bob decides to see each girl as more than whether they're virgins.
63	** Bob doesn't ''want'' to marry a virgin, and ends up marrying a literal porn star.
64	* '''Discussed''': "Bob, I know that Carol is fun and sexy, but would you really want ''her'' to be the mother of ''your'' kids?"
65	* '''Conversed''': "This show reinforces the "virgin / whore" idea that's closely integrated in femininity. I don't buy it. There ''is'' more to a woman than her sexuality; get to know ''her'', and ''then'' decide whether to commit or not."
66	* '''Implied''': They are characters in a kids show, so the writers keep it family friendly and avoid naming sex directly. Instead, Bob does not want to date Carol because "she's had too many boyfriends".
67	* '''Deconstructed''':
68	** Bob chooses Alice, the "good" girl, [[NoAccountingForTaste but she doesn't have a heck of a lot in common with him]]; he chooses her on the basis that "she'll make a good wife and mother." Eventually, Bob becomes bored with Alice, and finds himself tempted by Carol and her ilk. Alice is hurt because Bob is losing interest in her and neglecting her, and Bob is hurt because he now feels like it was a big mistake to marry Alice, he feels guilty for cheating with (or just lusting after) Carol and blames her for his problems, Alice is jealous of Carol, and ironically, Alice and Bob's home life is in more danger than it likely would have been if he had just chosen Carol in the first place. The marriage becomes [[AwfulWeddedLife troubled]], and might just end altogether depending on [[ValuesDissonance the setting]].
69	** Alice is CuteAndPsycho, while Carol is an AllLovingHeroine. While Alice becomes more and more unhinged and [[DomesticAbuse abusive]], and Bob stays with her because they both want to live the perfect, suitable suburban life, Carol is a healthy, generous, and romantic person. She ends up finding someone who loves her and thinks that she is wonderful for who she is inside, and they have the epitome of a beautiful love and family life. Debbie and Emma, Alice and Bob's children, end up [[AbusiveParents abused by Alice]] while [[HenpeckedHusband Bob is unwilling to stand up to her]], so they go asking for Carol's help, because they do not want to repeat the mistakes of their parents.
70	** Alice has trouble reconciling with this worldview. The "ideal" place for her to be is as a Madonna, which is generally held as the more respectable of the two, but comes with tight restrictions that make her life miserable, that will instantly shunt her into the "whore" category [[CantGetAwayWithNothing if she breaks them even once]]. Carol gets caught on the other end of this, being a "whore" who is seen as unworthy of respect and generally looked down upon even as she's lusted after, and try as she might, she can't do much about people seeing her as DefiledForever. Both find their positions belittling and dehumanising, if for different reasons.
71	** Because women who have sex are considered unmarrigeable, this leads to Bob being hesitant to have sex with Alice in fear of "despoiling" her into a "whore" like Carol, and maybe even leading to a scandalous divorce.
72	* '''Reconstructed''':
73	** Alice divorces Bob and marries Charlie, who thinks like she does, and they become HappilyMarried.
74	** Debbie winds up a prude like Alice and finds someone she loves, while Emma emulates Carol's lifestyle and fails to find a meaningful relationship.
75	** Alice just wants to save sex till marriage, while Carol gets into trouble because her uncontrolled sex life gave her [=STDs=], unwanted pregnancies, etc.
76	* '''Played For Laughs''': Alice may be a nice girl, but she's a total {{Gonk}}.
77	* '''Played For Drama''':
78	** LoveTriangle between [[BettyAndVeronica Alice, Bob and Carol]].
79	** [[DoggedNiceGuy For all her good deeds]], [[EntitledToHaveYou Alice expected Bob to choose her]], but he picked Carol instead. She didn't take it well and [[IfICantHaveYou snapped]].
80	** In Bob, Alice and Carol's society, Carol pertains to the "whore" caste and thus is allowed to be as adventurous as she wants to sexually, but has been spayed like all women of her caste, and thus will never be a mother. But her biggest problem isn't sterility but rather [[MenGetOldWomenGetReplaced old age]], as her caste can only hope to become a brothel madame upon menopause if she's lucky. Otherwise, she's doomed. The best she can hope for is to find a man of a lower social status who cannot marry a "respectable woman" and who won't mind her sterility.
81	** [[RapeAsDrama Bob rapes Carol]], in order to "punish" her for "[[SexIsEvilAndIAmHorny tempting him]]", or for "not knowing her place". Carol isn't seen as a victim, but as a "whore" [[BlamingTheVictim who got just what she deserved]].
82	* '''Untwisted''': Bob requires kinky sex from Alice, but she has no interest with it, which gives Bob a relief as [[MyGirlIsNotASlut she isn't one of the whore that he dislikes]].
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