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'''Basic Trope''': There's a moral issue, and two people have opposing opinions on it. Both people have a valid argument.

* '''Subverted''': There at first appear to be good reasons for both staying in or leaving the country, but when you pick apart one side's argument, it turns out their argument is flawed or invalid...

** Alice and Bob are arguing over things that are clearly not contradictory such as whether they should wear a shirt or pants.

* '''Zig-Zagged''': Living in the city or the country both make a lot of sense. However, the actual arguments brought up by Alice and Bob are very flawed.

* '''Enforced''': The writers wanted to avert BlackAndWhiteMorality.

* '''Deconstructed''': Alice and Bob are such well-matched debaters that nobody can ever determine which of them is "right". As such, neither of their considerations supersedes the other due to its "superiority" or otherwise, and they never manage to do anything.
** Both sides involved ignore the fact that there is more than just two sides to the conflict at hand, with multiple perspectives outside of theirs that aren't given any serious consideration. It leads to resentment at being ignored despite their own views being just as valid, and the two major sides involved end up thoroughly missing useful context that could have drastically changed the outcome of their perpetual argument.

* '''Plot Foundation''': The entire work is a discussion on the concepts of BlackAndWhiteMorality and GrayAndGreyMorality.

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** Both [[CloudCuckooLander Alice]] and [[MadHatter Bob]] have absolutely terrible ideas for [[WorstAid treating Claire's wounds]]. How bad? Leaving her to bleed out would be less bad than following either one's InsaneTrollLogic.

** Claire points out that Bob is wrong expecting a hundred dollars for finding Alice lost keys, she also notes that Alice was wrong for not showing any gratitude at all.

** Alice and Bob are in agreement, but Claire still says both sides have a point.

* '''Played For Laughs''': As Alice and Bob keeps listing their arguments, Clare in between them keeps saying "he/she has a point" over and over again, getting more anxious each time.

'''Basic Trope''': There is a moral issue, and two people have a different or opposing opinion on it. Both people have a valid argument, however different.

* '''Played For Laughs''': Every time AliceAndBob brings up their valid points, Clare in between them keeps saying "he/she has a point" over and over again, getting more anxious each time.

'''Played For Laughs''': Every time AliceAndBob brings up their valid points, Clare in between them keeps saying "he/she has a point" over and over again, getting more anxious each time.

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* '''Zig-Zagged''': ???

* '''Downplayed''': Claire notes that they both have good points, but that ultimately either Alice or Bob has ''more'' good points and a stronger argument.

* '''Straight''': AliceAndBob (a couple) have an argument over whether to move to the city or stay in the country. Alice wants to move to the city, arguing that transport will be easier and they'll have more job opportunities. Bob wants to stay in the country, arguing that the air is fresher, healthier, and the scenery is better. When they ask for Claire's opinion, she says that they both raised good points.
* '''Exaggerated''': [[SeinfeldianConversation Alice and Bob have a fight over what colour is better, red or green, and both write long lists detailing the merits to their argument]].

* '''Justified''': TruthInTelevision. Lots of issues and debates have good points for and against.

** Both [[CloudCuckooLander Alice]] and [[MadHatter Bob]] have absolutely terrible ideas for [[WorstAid treating Claire's wounds]]. To the point that leaving her to bleed out would be better than following either one's InsaneTrollLogic.
* '''Subverted''': There at first appears to be good reasons for both staying in/leaving the country, but when you pick apart one side's argument, it turns out their argument is flawed or invalid...

* '''Zig Zagged''': ???

** Bob has no good arguments for staying in the country (or Alice has no good arguments for moving to the city).
** Or alternatively, Bob actually ''agrees'' with Alice, and there is no argument.

* '''Invoked''': ???
* '''Exploited''': Alice and Bob present their argument to Claire (a computer which is only capable of handling binary decisions) in the hopes of [[LogicBomb causing it to blow a logic circuit]].

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* '''Straight''': AliceAndBob (a couple) have an argument over whether to move to the city or stay in the country. Alice wants to move to the city, arguing that transport will be easier and they'll have more job opportunities. Bob wants to stay in the country, arguing that the air is fresher and the scenery is better. When they ask for Claire's opinion, she says that they both raised good points.

* '''Straight''': AliceAndBob (a couple) have a fight over whether to move to the city or stay in the country. Alice wants to move to the city, arguing that transport will be easier and they'll have more job opportunities. Bob wants to stay in the country, arguing that the air is fresher and the scenery better. When they ask for Claire's opinion, she says that they both raised good points.

* '''Straight''': AliceAndBob (a couple) have a fight over whether to move to the city or stay in the country. Alice wants to move to the city, arguing that transport will be easier that way and they'll have more job opportunities. Bob wants to stay in the country, arguing that the air is fresher and the scenery better. When they ask for Claire's opinion, she says that they both raised good points.

* '''Straight''': AliceAndBob (a couple) have a fight over whether to move to the city or stay in the country. Alice wants to move to the city, arguing that transport will be easier that way and they'll be more job opportunities. Bob wants to stay in the country, arguing that the air is fresher and the scenery better. When they ask for Claire's opinion, she says that they both raised good points.

* '''Straight''': AliceAndBob (a couple) have a fight over whether to move to the city or stay in the country. Alice wants to move to the city, arguing that transport will be easier that way and they'll be more job opportunities. Bob wants to stay in the country, arguing that the air is fresher and the scenery better. When they ask for Charlotte's opinion, she says that they both raised good points.
* '''Exaggerated''': [[SeinfeldianConversation Alice and Bob have a fight over what colour is better, red or green, and both write long lists detailing the merits to their argument.]]
* '''Downplayed''': Charlotte notes that they both have good points, but that ultimately either Alice or Bob has ''more'' good points and a stronger argument.

** Both [[CloudCuckooLander Alice]] and [[MadHatter Bob]] have absolutely terrible ideas for [[WorstAid treating Charlotte's wounds]]. To the point that leaving her to bleed out would be better than following either one's InsaneTrollLogic.

** Alice and Bob are in agreement, but Charlotte still says both sides have a point.

* '''Exploited''': Alice and Bob present their argument to Charlotte (a computer which is only capable of handling binary decisions) in the hopes of [[LogicBomb causing it to blow a logic circuit]].
* '''Defied''': Charlotte goes so far as to use Precognition to differentiate between the close arguments.

* '''Reconstructed''': Fortunately, in this particular scenario, [[TakeAThirdOption inaction was just what was needed.]]

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* '''Plotted a Good Waste''': The entire work is a discussion on the concepts of BlackAndWhiteMorality and GrayAndGreyMorality.

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%%* '''Plotted a Good Waste''': ???

* '''Parodied''': Alice and Bob are arguing over things that are clearly not contradictory such as whether they should wear a shirt or pants.
* Alice and Bob are in agreement, but Charlotte still says both sides have a point.

* '''Straight''': Alice and Bob (a couple) have a fight over whether to move to the city or stay in the country. Alice wants to move to the city, and argues that transport will be easier that way and they'll be more job opportunities. Bob wants to stay in the country, and argues that the air is fresher and the scenery is better. When they ask for Charlotte's opinion, she says that they both raised good points.
* '''Exaggerated''': Alice and Bob have a fight over what colour is better, red or green, and both write long lists detailing the merits to their argument.

** Only Bob has any good arguments. Alice just argues with InsaneTrollLogic.

* '''Double Subverted''': However the base assumptions were wrong - making the second one turn out to be just as sensible when more details are obtained.

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%%* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': ???
%%* '''Played For Laughs''': ???
%%* '''Played For Drama''': ???

* '''Inverted''': Only Bob has any good arguments. Alice just argues with InsaneTrollLogic.

* '''Invoked''': Alice and Bob present their argument to Charlotte (a computer who is only capable of handling binary decisions) in the hopes of causing it to blow a logic circuit.
* '''Exploited''': ???

* '''Invoked''': ???

* '''Double Subverted''': ???
* '''Parodied''': ???

* '''Defied''': ???

* '''Inverted''': ???

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* '''Subverted''': There at first appears to be good reasons for both staying in/leaving the country, but when you pick apart one side's argument, it turns out their argument is flawed or invalid.