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** This was a common sentiment when Creator/JamesGunn was suspended from ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol3''. Gunn's irreverent {{bathos}}-flavored directorial style was responsible for turning the Z-list Guardians into household names. Internally, a number of Marvel directors like Creator/TaikaWaititi were so supportive of Gunn that they refused to take over the film as director. Subsequently, Gunn was rehired as the executives at Marvel and Disney couldn't find a replacement director who could do the franchise justice.

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** This was a common sentiment when Creator/JamesGunn was suspended from ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol3''. Gunn's irreverent {{bathos}}-flavored directorial style was responsible for turning the Z-list Guardians into household names.HouseholdNames. Internally, a number of Marvel directors like Creator/TaikaWaititi were so supportive of Gunn that they refused to take over the film as director. Subsequently, Gunn was rehired as the executives at Marvel and Disney couldn't find a replacement director who could do the franchise justice.
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* Creator/TalbotRothwell, who wrote ''Series/UpPompeii'', had less involvement with each of the films (''Film/UpPompeii'', ''Film/UpTheChastityBelt'', and ''Film/UpTheFront''), eventually ending up not being involved at all with ''Up the Front''. The general audience perception is that they got worse as they went on.
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* Creator/ZackSnyder's [[Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague version]] of ''Justice League'' is considered much better than the ExecutiveMeddling-[=plagued=] 2017 theatrical film with Creator/JossWhedon-[=helmed=] reshoots.

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* Creator/ZackSnyder's [[Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague version]] In a more literal application of ''Justice League'' is considered this trope, when Creator/ZackSnyder stepped down from ''Film/JusticeLeague'' after completing principle photography and working on postproduction Creator/JossWhedon was instated to complete the film. Many people believed Whedon would improve upon it, but the resulting product was wildly seen as lackluster. Several years later after a fan campaign (based around tons of {{Missing Trailer Scene}}s and deleted content surfacing), Snyder was given the resources to complete the film he intended to make and release ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'', which received a much better than the ExecutiveMeddling-[=plagued=] 2017 theatrical film with Creator/JossWhedon-[=helmed=] reshoots.more positive reception.



* The planned new ''Film/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' ContinuityReboot film without Creator/JossWhedon is starting to receive this. Ironically, the [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer TV show]] embraced this trope, as it was much, ''much'' better than the movie, which messily chopped up Whedon's original script.

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* The planned new There was discussion of a ''Film/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' ContinuityReboot film without Creator/JossWhedon is starting to receive this. Ironically, the [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer TV show]] embraced this trope, as it was much, ''much'' better than the movie, which messily chopped up Whedon's Creator/JossWhedon. The original script.film was seen as a mild CultClassic at best but the ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' TV show was vastly more successful, due to Whedon having direct control after he had little for the movie. Thus any movie reboot that didn't have Whedon involved was seen as doomed on arrival.
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* Until the release of [[Film/Scream2022 the fifth film]], fans of the ''Film/{{Scream}}'' series viewed Kevin Williamson, the writer of [[Film/Scream1996 the first]] [[Film/Scream2 two films]], as the only person who could get the characters right. ''Film/Scream3'' was written by Ehren Kruger due to Williamson having commitments to other projects, and is nowadays seen as the worst film in the series, and while ''Film/Scream4'' saw Williamson come back to the series, Kruger was also credited for rewrites, and many fans blame the film's weaker moments on him. Worst of all was [[Series/ScreamTVSeries the TV adaptation]], which neither Williamson, Kruger, nor the films' director Creator/WesCraven had any creative involvement in (barring a producer credit for Craven), and which was lambasted by fans. As noted above, however, this started to die down with the fifth film, which had an all-new creative team (Matt Bettinelli-Olpin & Tyler Gillett of the filmmaking collective Radio Silence) due to Craven's passing in 2015 with Williamson credited only as executive producer, yet was well-received as a return to form after a long SequelGap and which quickly earned [[Film/ScreamVI a sequel]].

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* Until the release of [[Film/Scream2022 the fifth film]], fans of the ''Film/{{Scream}}'' series viewed Kevin Williamson, the writer of [[Film/Scream1996 the first]] [[Film/Scream2 two films]], as the only person who could get the characters right. ''Film/Scream3'' was written by Ehren Kruger due to Williamson having commitments to other projects, and is nowadays seen as the worst film in the series, and while ''Film/Scream4'' saw Williamson come back to the series, Kruger was also credited for rewrites, and many fans blame the film's weaker moments on him. Worst of all was [[Series/ScreamTVSeries [[Series/ScreamTheTVSeries the TV adaptation]], which neither Williamson, Kruger, nor the films' director Creator/WesCraven had any creative involvement in (barring a producer credit for Craven), and which was lambasted by fans. As noted above, however, this started to die down with the fifth film, which had an all-new creative team (Matt Bettinelli-Olpin & Tyler Gillett of the filmmaking collective Radio Silence) due to Craven's passing in 2015 with Williamson credited only as executive producer, yet was well-received as a return to form after a long SequelGap and which quickly earned [[Film/ScreamVI a sequel]].
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* The first ''Film/DieHard'' film is directed by Creator/JohnMcTiernan. All of the sequels [[ContestedSequel are contested]], to some extent. ''Film/DieHardWithAVengeance'', again directed by [=McTiernan=], is the least contested.

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* The first ''Film/DieHard'' film is directed by Creator/JohnMcTiernan. [[ContestedSequel All of the sequels [[ContestedSequel are contested]], to some extent. ''Film/DieHardWithAVengeance'', again the only sequel directed by [=McTiernan=], is the least contested.
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* ''Film/TheBourneSeries'': ZigZagged with MyRealDaddy, as one may argue that the Bourne series [[HasTwoMommies has two daddies]] with directors Creator/DougLiman and Creator/PaulGreengrass. With ''Film/TheBourneIdentity'', Liman gave the film a unique style, but it was Greengrass who would flesh it out in its sequels ''Film/TheBourneSupremacy'' and ''Film/TheBourneUltimatum'', with Liman still involved as executive producer, garnering even greater acclaim. But when Greengrass turned down the offer to direct ''Film/TheBourneLegacy'', Creator/MattDamon left with him, saying he wouldn't do any more movies without him, and Liman left too. This is part of why ''Legacy'' hasn't been as well-received as its predecessors. Though it should be noted that Tony Gilroy wrote all four films (and directed ''Legacy''). Damon and Greengrass finally reunited to make ''Film/JasonBourne'', which received mixed reviews, as well.

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* ''Film/TheBourneSeries'': ZigZagged with MyRealDaddy, as one may argue that the Bourne series [[HasTwoMommies has two daddies]] daddies with directors Creator/DougLiman and Creator/PaulGreengrass. With ''Film/TheBourneIdentity'', Liman gave the film a unique style, but it was Greengrass who would flesh it out in its sequels ''Film/TheBourneSupremacy'' and ''Film/TheBourneUltimatum'', with Liman still involved as executive producer, garnering even greater acclaim. But when Greengrass turned down the offer to direct ''Film/TheBourneLegacy'', Creator/MattDamon left with him, saying he wouldn't do any more movies without him, and Liman left too. This is part of why ''Legacy'' hasn't been as well-received as its predecessors. Though it should be noted that Tony Gilroy wrote all four films (and directed ''Legacy''). Damon and Greengrass finally reunited to make ''Film/JasonBourne'', which received mixed reviews, as well.
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** Zig-zagged with the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise. [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy The original trilogy]] predates the MCU, and the first two films are well-regarded, while the third is divisive. [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries The following reboot duology]] suffered from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony then struck a deal to reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing, integrating the character into the MCU. Although the new take was well-received, Marvel has stated they can't take all the credit, as some of the praised elements in ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'' came from Sony's side of the collaboration; plus ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' was a highly-praised crossover with both previous Sony continuities. On the other hand, [[Film/SonysSpiderManUniverse Sony's attempts to take Spider-verse characters and put them in]] {{Divorced Installment}}s has been all over the board, with ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' getting a mixed-to-negative response for its SoBadItsGood nature (''Film/VenomLetThereBeCarnage'' is considered an improvement on that), ''Film/{{Morbius|2022}}'' being almost universally panned but gaining a [[WatchItForTheMeme meme-driven]] [[FanworkOnlyFans ironic]] fandom, and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' receiving unanimous praise.



** Averted by ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}''. Not only was it successful without Marvel's involvement, but there were fears that Deadpool being part of the MCU would require a tonal shift away from what helped ''make'' his movie a success - it's filled to the brim with profanity, gore, sex jokes, and BlackComedy; having too much adult content for a family-friendly franchise and being too wacky for the MCU's serious, mature-audiences Netflix arm. Marvel has since claimed the ''Deadpool'' rights thanks to the Disney/Fox merger and started work on a new film, but what form it will take (sequel or reboot? In the MCU or standalone? etc.) remains to be seen.
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** There are mixed opinions regarding this when it comes to the ''X-Men'' films. On the one hand, Marvel has done well with the MCU and having the X-Men film rights would open them up to crossovers that both sides could benefit from. On the other hand, some feel that Fox (or at least the directors listed above) hasn't done badly with their X-Men films, and that the franchise's "oppressed minority" metaphor works better when there aren't a bunch of other superhumans running around. Fox also eventually made some darker entries in the series such as ''Film/{{Logan}}'', which have been critically acclaimed but just wouldn't tonally fit within the MCU. Following the acquisition of Fox by Disney, debates have sprung up about how much creative involvement should be given to the people who worked on the X-Men films at Fox. Of course, the MCU has numbers on its side since the most successful "[=FoX-Men=]" movies (''Film/XMenTheLastStand'' in the US, ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' worldwide) are in the middle of the pack compared to the MCU films. With that in mind, [[Film/DarkPhoenix Fox's final film before the acquisition]], which became the worst reviewed film of the franchise ''and'' the worst box-office performer, may have ended the debate in favor of Disney/Marvel permanently. But even so, relations between the franchises were at least good enough for the MCU to have two Fox-based actors returning, [[spoiler:''Series/WandaVision'' had a Quicksilver imposter played by the character's Fox-series actor and Creator/PatrickStewart reprised his role as Professor Xavier in ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'']].

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** There are mixed opinions regarding this when it comes to the ''X-Men'' films. On the one hand, Marvel has done well with the MCU and having the X-Men film rights would open them up to crossovers that both sides could benefit from. On the other hand, some feel that Fox (or at least the directors listed above) hasn't done badly with their X-Men films, and that the franchise's "oppressed minority" metaphor works better when there aren't a bunch of other superhumans running around. Fox also eventually made some darker entries in the series such as ''Film/{{Logan}}'', which have been critically acclaimed but just wouldn't tonally fit within the MCU. Following the acquisition of Fox by Disney, debates have sprung up about how much creative involvement should be given to the people who worked on the X-Men films at Fox. Of course, the MCU has numbers on its side since the most successful "[=FoX-Men=]" movies (''Film/XMenTheLastStand'' in the US, ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' worldwide) are in the middle of the pack compared to the MCU films. With that in mind, [[Film/DarkPhoenix Fox's final film before the acquisition]], which became the worst reviewed film of the franchise ''and'' the worst box-office performer, may have ended the debate in favor of Disney/Marvel permanently. But even so, relations between the franchises were at least good enough for the MCU to have two Fox-based actors returning, [[spoiler:''Series/WandaVision'' had a Quicksilver imposter played by the character's Fox-series actor and Creator/PatrickStewart reprised his role as Professor Xavier in ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'']].''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness''. Following them, Creator/HughJackman also announced that he would be returning as Wolverine in ''Deadpool 3'', which will be part of the MCU]].
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* Fans of the ''Film/{{Scream}}'' series view Kevin Williamson, the writer of [[Film/{{Scream 1996}} the first]] [[Film/{{Scream 2}} two films]], as the only person who can get the characters right. ''Film/{{Scream 3}}'' was written by Ehren Kruger due to Williamson having commitments to other projects, and is nowadays seen as the worst film in the series, and while ''Film/{{Scream 4}}'' saw Williamson come back to the series, Kruger was also credited for rewrites, and many fans blame the film's weaker moments on him. Worst of all was [[Series/ScreamTVSeries the TV adaptation]], which neither Williamson, Kruger, nor the films' director Creator/WesCraven had any creative involvement in (barring a producer credit for Craven), and which has been lambasted by fans. Averted by ''Film/Scream2022'', where Williamson is only an executive producer but had a well-received script.

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* Fans Until the release of [[Film/Scream2022 the fifth film]], fans of the ''Film/{{Scream}}'' series view viewed Kevin Williamson, the writer of [[Film/{{Scream 1996}} [[Film/Scream1996 the first]] [[Film/{{Scream 2}} [[Film/Scream2 two films]], as the only person who can could get the characters right. ''Film/{{Scream 3}}'' ''Film/Scream3'' was written by Ehren Kruger due to Williamson having commitments to other projects, and is nowadays seen as the worst film in the series, and while ''Film/{{Scream 4}}'' ''Film/Scream4'' saw Williamson come back to the series, Kruger was also credited for rewrites, and many fans blame the film's weaker moments on him. Worst of all was [[Series/ScreamTVSeries the TV adaptation]], which neither Williamson, Kruger, nor the films' director Creator/WesCraven had any creative involvement in (barring a producer credit for Craven), and which has been was lambasted by fans. Averted by ''Film/Scream2022'', where As noted above, however, this started to die down with the fifth film, which had an all-new creative team (Matt Bettinelli-Olpin & Tyler Gillett of the filmmaking collective Radio Silence) due to Craven's passing in 2015 with Williamson is credited only an as executive producer but had a producer, yet was well-received script.as a return to form after a long SequelGap and which quickly earned [[Film/ScreamVI a sequel]].



* Zigzagged with the ''Franchise/{{Halloween}}'' franchise. Fans were overjoyed with Creator/JohnCarpenter's return for ''Film/Halloween2018'' (as executive producer and co-composer), which ignores every film in the franchise except the original. Indeed, the film was largely seen by critics and fans as a return to form for a franchise that had seen numerous questionable sequels and a polarizing reboot. However, many forgot that Carpenter was also involved in ''Film/HalloweenII1981'' (as co-writer, producer, and composer) and the notorious ''Film/HalloweenIIISeasonOfTheWitch'' (as producer and composer), both of which also involved Debra Hill, who co-wrote and co-produced the original film with Carpenter. Despite even this, ''Halloween II'' is often seen as one of the better original sequels, and ''Halloween III: Season of the Witch'' is slowly gaining a cult following among fans of 80s horror, who view it as underrated. Although the 2018 film’s two sequels, ''Film/HalloweenKills'' and ''Film/HalloweenEnds'', retained Carpenter but wound up very divisive affairs.

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* Zigzagged with the ''Franchise/{{Halloween}}'' franchise. Fans were overjoyed with Creator/JohnCarpenter's return for ''Film/Halloween2018'' (as executive producer and co-composer), which ignores every film in the franchise except the original. Indeed, the film was largely seen by critics and fans as a return to form for a franchise that had seen numerous questionable sequels and a polarizing reboot. However, many forgot that Carpenter was also involved in ''Film/HalloweenII1981'' (as co-writer, producer, and composer) and the notorious ''Film/HalloweenIIISeasonOfTheWitch'' (as producer and composer), both of which also involved Debra Hill, who co-wrote and co-produced the original film with Carpenter. Despite even this, ''Halloween II'' is often seen as one of the better original sequels, and ''Halloween III: Season of the Witch'' is slowly gaining a cult following among fans of 80s '80s horror, who view it as underrated. Although That said, the 2018 film’s two sequels, ''Film/HalloweenKills'' and ''Film/HalloweenEnds'', retained Carpenter but wound up very divisive affairs.
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* ''Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet'' is a good example, since the best-regarded installments have Creator/WesCraven's involvement ([[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet1984 the original]] and ''Film/WesCravensNewNightmare'' are written/directed by Craven, while ''[[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet3DreamWarriors Dream Warriors]]'' was co-written by him).

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* Most fans of ''Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet'' is a good example, since will tell you that the best-regarded best installments have Creator/WesCraven's involvement ([[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet1984 are the ones that Creator/WesCraven was involved in. He wrote and directed [[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet1984 the original]] and ''Film/WesCravensNewNightmare'' are written/directed by Craven, while and co-wrote the third film ''[[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet3DreamWarriors Dream Warriors]]'' was co-written by him).Warriors]]'', the first and third films being considered essential viewing for anybody interested in the franchise and ''New Nightmare'', Craven's {{meta|Fiction}}textual commentary on the series and what it represented, seen as [[WinBackTheCrowd a return to form]] after a string of bad sequels. The consensus on the rest of the series ranges from [[ContestedSequel divisive]] (''[[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreetPart2FreddysRevenge Freddy's Revenge]]'', ''[[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet4TheDreamMaster The Dream Master]]'', ''Film/FreddyVsJason'') to outright bad (''[[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet5TheDreamChild The Dream Child]]'', ''[[Film/FreddysDeadTheFinalNightmare Freddy's Dead]]'', [[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet2010 the 2010 remake]]). Craven himself seems to agree, with a joke in ''Film/Scream1996'' serving as a TakeThat to the ''Nightmare'' sequels.
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* The only one of the sequels to ''Film/NationalLampoonsVacation'' to be written by Creator/JohnHughes was ''Film/NationalLampoonsChristmasVacation'', which is widely considered to be the best of the them.

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* The only one of the sequels to ''Film/NationalLampoonsVacation'' to be written by Creator/JohnHughes was ''Film/NationalLampoonsChristmasVacation'', which is widely considered to be the [[EvenBetterSequel best of the them.series]].
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** This was a common sentiment when Creator/JamesGunn was suspended from ''Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3''. Gunn's irreverent {{bathos}}-flavored directorial style was responsible for turning the Z-list Guardians into household names. Internally, a number of Marvel directors like Creator/TaikaWaititi were so supportive of Gunn that they refused to take over the film as director. Subsequently, Gunn was rehired as the executives at Marvel and Disney couldn't find a replacement director who could do the franchise justice.

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** This was a common sentiment when Creator/JamesGunn was suspended from ''Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3''.''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol3''. Gunn's irreverent {{bathos}}-flavored directorial style was responsible for turning the Z-list Guardians into household names. Internally, a number of Marvel directors like Creator/TaikaWaititi were so supportive of Gunn that they refused to take over the film as director. Subsequently, Gunn was rehired as the executives at Marvel and Disney couldn't find a replacement director who could do the franchise justice.



* Fans of the ''Film/{{Scream}}'' series view Kevin Williamson, the writer of [[Film/{{Scream 1996}} the first]] [[Film/{{Scream 2}} two films]], as the only person who can get the characters right. ''Film/{{Scream 3}}'' was written by Ehren Kruger due to Williamson having commitments to other projects, and is nowadays seen as the worst film in the series, and while ''Film/{{Scream 4}}'' saw Williamson come back to the series, Kruger was also credited for rewrites, and many fans blame the film's weaker moments on him. Worst of all was [[Series/ScreamTVSeries the TV adaptation]], which neither Williamson, Kruger, nor the films' director Creator/WesCraven had any creative involvement in (barring a producer credit for Craven), and which has been lambasted by fans.

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* Fans of the ''Film/{{Scream}}'' series view Kevin Williamson, the writer of [[Film/{{Scream 1996}} the first]] [[Film/{{Scream 2}} two films]], as the only person who can get the characters right. ''Film/{{Scream 3}}'' was written by Ehren Kruger due to Williamson having commitments to other projects, and is nowadays seen as the worst film in the series, and while ''Film/{{Scream 4}}'' saw Williamson come back to the series, Kruger was also credited for rewrites, and many fans blame the film's weaker moments on him. Worst of all was [[Series/ScreamTVSeries the TV adaptation]], which neither Williamson, Kruger, nor the films' director Creator/WesCraven had any creative involvement in (barring a producer credit for Craven), and which has been lambasted by fans. Averted by ''Film/Scream2022'', where Williamson is only an executive producer but had a well-received script.



* The only one of the sequels to ''Film/NationalLampoonsVacation'' to be written by Creator/JohnHughes was ''Film/NationalLampoonsChristmasVacation'', which is widely conisdered to be the best of the them.

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* The only one of the sequels to ''Film/NationalLampoonsVacation'' to be written by Creator/JohnHughes was ''Film/NationalLampoonsChristmasVacation'', which is widely conisdered considered to be the best of the them.
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* Zigzagged with the ''Franchise/{{Halloween}}'' franchise. Fans were overjoyed with Creator/JohnCarpenter's return for ''Film/Halloween2018'' (as executive producer and co-composer), which ignores every film in the franchise except the original. Indeed, the film was largely seen by critics and fans as a return to form for a franchise that had seen numerous questionable sequels and a polarizing reboot. However, many forgot that Carpenter was also involved in ''Film/HalloweenII1981'' (as co-writer, producer, and composer) and the notorious ''Film/HalloweenIIISeasonOfTheWitch'' (as producer and composer), both of which also involved Debra Hill, who co-wrote and co-produced the original film with Carpenter. Despite even this, ''Halloween II'' is often seen as one of the better original sequels, and ''Halloween III: Season of the Witch'' is slowly gaining a cult following among fans of 80s horror, who view it as underrated. Although 2018's ''Film/HalloweenKills'' retained Carpenter but wound up a very divisive affair.

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* Zigzagged with the ''Franchise/{{Halloween}}'' franchise. Fans were overjoyed with Creator/JohnCarpenter's return for ''Film/Halloween2018'' (as executive producer and co-composer), which ignores every film in the franchise except the original. Indeed, the film was largely seen by critics and fans as a return to form for a franchise that had seen numerous questionable sequels and a polarizing reboot. However, many forgot that Carpenter was also involved in ''Film/HalloweenII1981'' (as co-writer, producer, and composer) and the notorious ''Film/HalloweenIIISeasonOfTheWitch'' (as producer and composer), both of which also involved Debra Hill, who co-wrote and co-produced the original film with Carpenter. Despite even this, ''Halloween II'' is often seen as one of the better original sequels, and ''Halloween III: Season of the Witch'' is slowly gaining a cult following among fans of 80s horror, who view it as underrated. Although 2018's the 2018 film’s two sequels, ''Film/HalloweenKills'' and ''Film/HalloweenEnds'', retained Carpenter but wound up a very divisive affair.affairs.
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* ''Film/LaLlorona'': Not one specific person, but an entire ethnic group. The myth of La Llorona comes from Hispanic culture, and this film is almost universally considered better than ''Film/TheCurseOfLaLlorona'' and any other American La Llorona film, at least among those who have actually seen it.
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** Zig-zagged with the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise. [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy The original trilogy]] predates the MCU, and the first two films are well-regarded, while the third is divisive. [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries The following reboot duology]] suffered from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony then struck a deal to [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing]], integrating the character into the MCU. Although the new take was well-received, Marvel has stated they can't take all the credit, as some of the praised elements came from Sony's side of the collaboration. On the other hand, [[Film/SonysSpiderManUniverse Sony's attempts to take Spider-verse characters and put them in]] {{Divorced Installment}}s has been all over the board, with ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' getting a mixed-to-negative response for its SoBadItsGood nature (''Film/VenomLetThereBeCarnage'' is considered an improvement on that), ''Film/{{Morbius|2022}}'' being almost universally panned and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' receiving unanimous praise.

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** Zig-zagged with the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise. [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy The original trilogy]] predates the MCU, and the first two films are well-regarded, while the third is divisive. [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries The following reboot duology]] suffered from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony then struck a deal to [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing]], co-producing, integrating the character into the MCU. Although the new take was well-received, Marvel has stated they can't take all the credit, as some of the praised elements in ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'' came from Sony's side of the collaboration. collaboration; plus ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' was a highly-praised crossover with both previous Sony continuities. On the other hand, [[Film/SonysSpiderManUniverse Sony's attempts to take Spider-verse characters and put them in]] {{Divorced Installment}}s has been all over the board, with ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' getting a mixed-to-negative response for its SoBadItsGood nature (''Film/VenomLetThereBeCarnage'' is considered an improvement on that), ''Film/{{Morbius|2022}}'' being almost universally panned but gaining a [[WatchItForTheMeme meme-driven]] [[FanworkOnlyFans ironic]] fandom, and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' receiving unanimous praise.



** With the Fantastic Four's film history consisting of an [[Film/TheFantasticFour unreleased]] AshcanCopy, a below-average [[Film/FantasticFour2005 2005 film]] and [[Film/FantasticFourRiseOfTheSilverSurfer its sequel]] and a [[Film/FantasticFour2015 2015 reboot]] that [[BoxOfficeBomb bombed outright]], fans are naturally excited for a reboot in the Marvel Cinematic Universe that was announced in 2019. [[spoiler:Tellingly, when ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'' introduced Reed Richards as a member of TheIlluminati of Earth-838, none of the previous actors would reprise the role (unlike Patrick Stewart as Professor X or Creator/AnsonMount as [[Series/{{Inhumans}} Black Bolt]]), and he was instead portrayed by Creator/JohnKrasinski.]]

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** With the Fantastic Four's film history consisting of an [[Film/TheFantasticFour unreleased]] AshcanCopy, a below-average [[Film/FantasticFour2005 2005 film]] and [[Film/FantasticFourRiseOfTheSilverSurfer its sequel]] and a [[Film/FantasticFour2015 2015 reboot]] that [[BoxOfficeBomb bombed outright]], fans are naturally excited for a reboot in the Marvel Cinematic Universe that was announced in 2019. [[spoiler:Tellingly, Tellingly, when ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'' [[spoiler:''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'' introduced Reed Richards as a member of TheIlluminati of Earth-838, none of the previous actors would reprise the role (unlike Patrick Stewart as Professor X or Creator/AnsonMount as [[Series/{{Inhumans}} Black Bolt]]), and he was instead portrayed by AscendedFancast Creator/JohnKrasinski.]]
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** With the Fantastic Four's film history consisting of an [[Film/TheFantasticFour unreleased]] AshcanCopy, a below-average [[Film/FantasticFour2005 2005 film]] and [[Film/FantasticFourRiseOfTheSilverSurfer its sequel]] and a [[Film/FantasticFour2015 2015 reboot]] that [[BoxOfficeBomb bombed outright]], fans are naturally excited for a reboot in the Marvel Cinematic Universe that was announced in 2019.

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** With the Fantastic Four's film history consisting of an [[Film/TheFantasticFour unreleased]] AshcanCopy, a below-average [[Film/FantasticFour2005 2005 film]] and [[Film/FantasticFourRiseOfTheSilverSurfer its sequel]] and a [[Film/FantasticFour2015 2015 reboot]] that [[BoxOfficeBomb bombed outright]], fans are naturally excited for a reboot in the Marvel Cinematic Universe that was announced in 2019. [[spoiler:Tellingly, when ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'' introduced Reed Richards as a member of TheIlluminati of Earth-838, none of the previous actors would reprise the role (unlike Patrick Stewart as Professor X or Creator/AnsonMount as [[Series/{{Inhumans}} Black Bolt]]), and he was instead portrayed by Creator/JohnKrasinski.]]
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** There are mixed opinions regarding this when it comes to the ''X-Men'' films. On the one hand, Marvel has done well with the MCU and having the X-Men film rights would open them up to crossovers that both sides could benefit from. On the other hand, some feel that Fox (or at least the directors listed above) hasn't done badly with their X-Men films, and that the franchise's "oppressed minority" metaphor works better when there aren't a bunch of other superhumans running around. Fox also eventually made some darker entries in the series such as ''Film/{{Logan}}'', which have been critically acclaimed but just wouldn't tonally fit within the MCU. Following the acquisition of Fox by Disney, debates have sprung up about how much creative involvement should be given to the people who worked on the X-Men films at Fox. Of course, the MCU has numbers on its side since the most successful "[=FoX-Men=]" movies (''Film/XMenTheLastStand'' in the US, ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' worldwide) are in the middle of the pack compared to the MCU films. With that in mind, [[Film/DarkPhoenix Fox's final film before the acquisition]], which became the worst reviewed film of the franchise ''and'' the worst box-office performer, may have ended the debate in favor of Disney/Marvel permanently. But even so, relations between the franchises were at least good enough for the MCU to have an Fox-based CastingGag: [[spoiler:''Series/WandaVision'' had a Quicksilver imposter played by the character's Fox-series actor]].

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** There are mixed opinions regarding this when it comes to the ''X-Men'' films. On the one hand, Marvel has done well with the MCU and having the X-Men film rights would open them up to crossovers that both sides could benefit from. On the other hand, some feel that Fox (or at least the directors listed above) hasn't done badly with their X-Men films, and that the franchise's "oppressed minority" metaphor works better when there aren't a bunch of other superhumans running around. Fox also eventually made some darker entries in the series such as ''Film/{{Logan}}'', which have been critically acclaimed but just wouldn't tonally fit within the MCU. Following the acquisition of Fox by Disney, debates have sprung up about how much creative involvement should be given to the people who worked on the X-Men films at Fox. Of course, the MCU has numbers on its side since the most successful "[=FoX-Men=]" movies (''Film/XMenTheLastStand'' in the US, ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' worldwide) are in the middle of the pack compared to the MCU films. With that in mind, [[Film/DarkPhoenix Fox's final film before the acquisition]], which became the worst reviewed film of the franchise ''and'' the worst box-office performer, may have ended the debate in favor of Disney/Marvel permanently. But even so, relations between the franchises were at least good enough for the MCU to have an two Fox-based CastingGag: actors returning, [[spoiler:''Series/WandaVision'' had a Quicksilver imposter played by the character's Fox-series actor]].actor and Creator/PatrickStewart reprised his role as Professor Xavier in ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'']].
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** Zig-zagged with the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise. [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy The original trilogy]] predates the MCU, and the first two films are well-regarded, while the third is divisive. [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries The following reboot duology]] suffered from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony then struck a deal to [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing]], integrating the character into the MCU. Although the new take was well-received, Marvel has stated they can't take all the credit, as some of the praised elements came from Sony's side of the collaboration. On the other hand, [[Film/SonysSpiderManUniverse Sony's attempts to take Spider-verse characters and put them in]] {{Divorced Installment}}s has been all over the board, with ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' getting a mixed-to-negative response for its SoBadItsGood nature (''Film/VenomLetThereBeCarnage'' is considered an improvement on that) and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' receiving unanimous praise.

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** Zig-zagged with the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise. [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy The original trilogy]] predates the MCU, and the first two films are well-regarded, while the third is divisive. [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries The following reboot duology]] suffered from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony then struck a deal to [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing]], integrating the character into the MCU. Although the new take was well-received, Marvel has stated they can't take all the credit, as some of the praised elements came from Sony's side of the collaboration. On the other hand, [[Film/SonysSpiderManUniverse Sony's attempts to take Spider-verse characters and put them in]] {{Divorced Installment}}s has been all over the board, with ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' getting a mixed-to-negative response for its SoBadItsGood nature (''Film/VenomLetThereBeCarnage'' is considered an improvement on that) that), ''Film/{{Morbius|2022}}'' being almost universally panned and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' receiving unanimous praise.



** With the Fantastic Four's film history consisting of an [[Film/TheFantasticFour unreleased]] AshcanCopy, a below-average [[Film/FantasticFour2005 2005 film and its sequel]] and a [[Film/FantasticFour2015 2015 reboot]] that [[BoxOfficeBomb bombed outright]], fans are naturally excited for a reboot in the Marvel Cinematic Universe that was announced in 2019.

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** With the Fantastic Four's film history consisting of an [[Film/TheFantasticFour unreleased]] AshcanCopy, a below-average [[Film/FantasticFour2005 2005 film film]] and [[Film/FantasticFourRiseOfTheSilverSurfer its sequel]] and a [[Film/FantasticFour2015 2015 reboot]] that [[BoxOfficeBomb bombed outright]], fans are naturally excited for a reboot in the Marvel Cinematic Universe that was announced in 2019.
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* The ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' movies released after the departure of creators Leigh Whannell and Creator/JamesWan as writers are highly regarded as significantly inferior to the [[Film/SawI first]] [[Film/SawII three]] [[Film/SawIII movies]], with the [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel frequent exception]] of ''Film/SawVI''.

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* The ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' movies released after the departure of creators Leigh Whannell and Creator/JamesWan as writers (they were involved in the following movies up to ''Film/Saw3D'', but only as executive producers) are highly regarded as significantly inferior to the [[Film/SawI first]] [[Film/SawII three]] [[Film/SawIII movies]], with the [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel frequent exception]] of ''Film/SawVI''.
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* The ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' movies released after the departure of creators Leigh Whannell and Creator/JamesWan are highly regarded as significantly inferior to the [[Film/SawI first]] [[Film/SawII three]] [[Film/SawIII movies]], with the [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel frequent exception]] of ''Film/SawVI''.

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* The ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' movies released after the departure of creators Leigh Whannell and Creator/JamesWan as writers are highly regarded as significantly inferior to the [[Film/SawI first]] [[Film/SawII three]] [[Film/SawIII movies]], with the [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel frequent exception]] of ''Film/SawVI''.
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** Whilst the ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'' is the lowest-grossing film in the MCU, as well as one of the least acclaimed, most people agreed that it was still superior to the [[Film/{{Hulk}} 2003 film]] directed by Creator/AngLee. When Creator/EdwardNorton was [[TheOtherDarrin replaced]] by Creator/MarkRuffalo, this sentiment only increased, though the [[ScrewedByTheLawyers complicated licensing]] employed by Universal combined with two underperforming films means that a solo film with Ruffalo is unlikely.

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** Whilst the ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'' ''Film/{{The Incredible Hulk|2008}}'' is the lowest-grossing film in the MCU, as well as one of the least acclaimed, most people agreed that it was still superior to the [[Film/{{Hulk}} 2003 film]] directed by Creator/AngLee. When Creator/EdwardNorton was [[TheOtherDarrin replaced]] by Creator/MarkRuffalo, this sentiment only increased, though the [[ScrewedByTheLawyers complicated licensing]] employed by Universal combined with two underperforming films means that a solo film with Ruffalo is unlikely.
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* ''Film/AIArtificialIntelligence'' was originally a Creator/StanleyKubrick project which he shelved in favor of other projects. Creator/StevenSpielberg directed the film after Kubrick's death and many critics and Kubrick fans attacked the film and Spielberg for ruining a Kubrick masterpiece (which he consciously shelved and handed to Spielberg anyway). Weirdly enough, the elements of the film that are most attacked, namely the ending weren't Spielberg inventions at all, but ''created by Kubrick himself''.
** This trope was invoked from the moment the movie was conceived by Spielberg and Kubrick ''towards each other''. Kubrick didn't think he had the heart to pull it off and believed Spielberg was the better man for the job, while Spielberg didn't think he had the artistic finesse and insisted Kubrick should direct. The two might still be volleying the idea back and forth to this day if Kubrick hadn't passed away.
* ''Film/JurassicParkIII'' is held by some to be the worst film in the ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' franchise. Incidentally, it was the one film of the original trilogy Creator/StevenSpielberg did not direct, as well as the first not even nominally based on a Creator/MichaelCrichton novel. That said ''Film/JurassicWorld'' was far better received, and it was likewise not directed by Spielberg (but he apparently was more present this time around).
* Out of the Film/BatmanFilmSeries, the first two directed by Creator/TimBurton were considered the best. And for ''very'' good reasons.
* Creator/ZackSnyder's [[Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague version]] of ''Justice League'' is considered much better than the ExecutiveMeddling-[=plagued=] 2017 theatrical film with Creator/JossWhedon-[=helmed=] reshoots.
* The first two parts in the ''Film/XMenFilmSeries'' were directed by Creator/BryanSinger, while the third one, ''Film/XMenTheLastStand'', was helmed by Creator/BrettRatner, and is considered by many fans to be a huge step down in quality. ''Film/XMenFirstClass'', which was produced and co-written by Singer, was much better received. Ultimately cemented with ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' by having Singer back in the director's chair and getting an overwhelmingly positive reception, with many calling it the best in the franchise so far. ''Film/XMenApocalypse'', however, proved to be much more divisive in comparison to Singer's previous efforts. A few later directors have managed to receive praise alongside Singer, though: Creator/MatthewVaughn gets a share of credit for directing ''First Class'' and co-writing ''Days of Future Past'', and many blame his lack of involvement in ''Apocalypse'' as the problem. Meanwhile, Creator/JamesMangold received praise for the darker, morally-greyer Wolverine films (''Film/TheWolverine'' and especially ''Film/{{Logan}}'').
* On a related note, any non-Marvel Studios films featuring Marvel characters are regarded by most supporters of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse as inferior and bastardizations of the source material, and that only Marvel Studios can treat them right:
** There are mixed opinions regarding this when it comes to the ''X-Men'' films. On the one hand, Marvel has done well with the MCU and having the X-Men film rights would open them up to crossovers that both sides could benefit from. On the other hand, some feel that Fox (or at least the directors listed above) hasn't done badly with their X-Men films, and that the franchise's "oppressed minority" metaphor works better when there aren't a bunch of other superhumans running around. Fox also eventually made some darker entries in the series such as ''Film/{{Logan}}'', which have been critically acclaimed but just wouldn't tonally fit within the MCU. Following the acquisition of Fox by Disney, debates have sprung up about how much creative involvement should be given to the people who worked on the X-Men films at Fox. Of course, the MCU has numbers on its side since the most successful "[=FoX-Men=]" movies (''Film/XMenTheLastStand'' in the US, ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' worldwide) are in the middle of the pack compared to the MCU films. With that in mind, [[Film/DarkPhoenix Fox's final film before the acquisition]], which became the worst reviewed film of the franchise ''and'' the worst box-office performer, may have ended the debate in favor of Disney/Marvel permanently. But even so, relations between the franchises were at least good enough for the MCU to have an Fox-based CastingGag: [[spoiler:''Series/WandaVision'' had a Quicksilver imposter played by the character's Fox-series actor]].
** Zig-zagged with the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise. [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy The original trilogy]] predates the MCU, and the first two films are well-regarded, while the third is divisive. [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries The following reboot duology]] suffered from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony then struck a deal to [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing]], integrating the character into the MCU. Although the new take was well-received, Marvel has stated they can't take all the credit, as some of the praised elements came from Sony's side of the collaboration. On the other hand, [[Film/SonysSpiderManUniverse Sony's attempts to take Spider-verse characters and put them in]] {{Divorced Installment}}s has been all over the board, with ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' getting a mixed-to-negative response for its SoBadItsGood nature (''Film/VenomLetThereBeCarnage'' is considered an improvement on that) and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' receiving unanimous praise.
** In the case of ''Daredevil'', its MCU revival as a [[Series/{{Daredevil|2015}} Netflix TV series]] was received much better than [[Film/{{Daredevil}} the Fox movie]], reinforcing the view. The same goes for Season Two's reinvention of the Punisher, with Jon Bernthal's portrayal receiving high praise when [[Film/ThePunisher1989 previous]] [[Film/ThePunisher2004 incarnations]] [[Film/PunisherWarZone failed]], even earning him [[Series/ThePunisher2017 his own spinoff show]]. Elektra Natchios, also added in season 2, didn't quite the same universal praise as the Punisher, but still was a much better response than [[Film/{{Elektra}} her own movie]] got.
** Averted by ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}''. Not only was it successful without Marvel's involvement, but there were fears that Deadpool being part of the MCU would require a tonal shift away from what helped ''make'' his movie a success - it's filled to the brim with profanity, gore, sex jokes, and BlackComedy; having too much adult content for a family-friendly franchise and being too wacky for the MCU's serious, mature-audiences Netflix arm. Marvel has since claimed the ''Deadpool'' rights thanks to the Disney/Fox merger and started work on a new film, but what form it will take (sequel or reboot? In the MCU or standalone? etc.) remains to be seen.
** Whilst the ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'' is the lowest-grossing film in the MCU, as well as one of the least acclaimed, most people agreed that it was still superior to the [[Film/{{Hulk}} 2003 film]] directed by Creator/AngLee. When Creator/EdwardNorton was [[TheOtherDarrin replaced]] by Creator/MarkRuffalo, this sentiment only increased, though the [[ScrewedByTheLawyers complicated licensing]] employed by Universal combined with two underperforming films means that a solo film with Ruffalo is unlikely.
** With the Fantastic Four's film history consisting of an [[Film/TheFantasticFour unreleased]] AshcanCopy, a below-average [[Film/FantasticFour2005 2005 film and its sequel]] and a [[Film/FantasticFour2015 2015 reboot]] that [[BoxOfficeBomb bombed outright]], fans are naturally excited for a reboot in the Marvel Cinematic Universe that was announced in 2019.
** This was a common sentiment when Creator/JamesGunn was suspended from ''Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3''. Gunn's irreverent {{bathos}}-flavored directorial style was responsible for turning the Z-list Guardians into household names. Internally, a number of Marvel directors like Creator/TaikaWaititi were so supportive of Gunn that they refused to take over the film as director. Subsequently, Gunn was rehired as the executives at Marvel and Disney couldn't find a replacement director who could do the franchise justice.
* Steven Spielberg turned down offers to direct ''Film/Jaws2''. Most people feel that the sequels get worse with each subsequent film.
* Several people in the ''Franchise/{{Godzilla}}'' fandom find any of the movies ''not'' directed by Ishiro Honda to be inferior. Similarly, some fans automatically dismiss the 2014 ''Film/{{Godzilla|2014}}'', not on the grounds of its own merits or flaws, but because it is not from Creator/{{Toho}}.
* Became an issue on the set of ''Film/{{Aliens}}''. In addition to being a [[PrimaDonnaDirector perfectionist]], Creator/JamesCameron was also hated by the British crew for ''not'' being Creator/RidleyScott. Fan reaction to the film, however, [[EvenBetterSequel was more enthusiastic]].
* Cameron ended up on the opposite side of this trope after ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay''. None of the following ''Terminator'' films (each done by a different director) has earned the respect that the first two had, even if Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger appeared in two of the non-Cameron films. Tellingly, when Cameron finally returned to write ''Film/TerminatorDarkFate'', not only did he declare everything between ''Judgment Day'' and it [[CanonDiscontinuity non-canon]], but the resultant film — while not devoid of [[ContestedSequel criticism]] — was considered by even its biggest detractors to be [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel a massive improvement over the Cameron-less movies]].
* Creator/AlfredHitchcock directed ''Film/{{Psycho}}'', and died before the sequels and the critically derided 90s remake were released. The universal opinion is that the first film was undoubtedly the best, and only Hitchcock understood the subject and execution.
* Creator/RichardDonner directed ''Film/SupermanTheMovie'', and got fired halfway through ''Film/SupermanII''. His cut of the sequel, which emerged in 2006, is generally considered better than the theatrical cut by Richard Lester. Of course, in this case it wasn't the name. There was a push to go LighterAndSofter that would culminate in the [[CanonDiscontinuity now disowned]] ''Film/SupermanIII,'' and the Donner cut has less of the slapstick that was forced upon them.
* The planned new ''Film/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' ContinuityReboot film without Creator/JossWhedon is starting to receive this. Ironically, the [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer TV show]] embraced this trope, as it was much, ''much'' better than the movie, which messily chopped up Whedon's original script.
* ''Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet'' is a good example, since the best-regarded installments have Creator/WesCraven's involvement ([[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet1984 the original]] and ''Film/WesCravensNewNightmare'' are written/directed by Craven, while ''[[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet3DreamWarriors Dream Warriors]]'' was co-written by him).
* The ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' movies released after the departure of creators Leigh Whannell and Creator/JamesWan are highly regarded as significantly inferior to the [[Film/SawI first]] [[Film/SawII three]] [[Film/SawIII movies]], with the [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel frequent exception]] of ''Film/SawVI''.
* [[FlameBait Highly debated]] among fans of ''Franchise/StarWars'':
** The very first film, ''Film/ANewHope'', is highly beloved, but many fans believe that Creator/GeorgeLucas is a better writer and producer than a director (or vice-versa). They argue that ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' was much better than ''A New Hope'' in part because Lucas took a more hands-off approach and left it in the hands of other writers and directors, and the weaknesses of ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' stem from the fact that Lucas was too involved in the production. Likewise, the prequels suffer from the absence of many of the key collaborators in the original films. In the case of ''Star Wars'', it takes the form of We Love the Creation, but He Doesn't Do It as Well as Others Do. Bear in mind that Lucas was always involved with ''Star Wars''. According to star Creator/MarkHamill, the [[LukeIAmYourFather famous plot twist]] of ''The Empire Strikes Back'' was exclusively Lucas' own invention and the first ''Star Wars'' film was entirely his vision, which he had to fight to convince his cast and crew to believe in.
** While ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' was overall well-received, this trope was still played straight by fans who felt insulted at the very existence of the film because Lucas wasn't involved with it at all [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks and thought it borrowed too much from the original trilogy]], to the point of feeling like it undermined and even negated the originals. Creator/JJAbrams was painted as a pretender to the throne who mistakenly believed his fan fiction could ever "count" the way the Lucas-made films do.
** The cycle repeated itself with ''Film/TheLastJedi'', except with Abrams in Lucas's position and new director Creator/RianJohnson in the position Abrams used to be in. While most critics approved of the film, it proved to be [[ContestedSequel highly divisive]] among fans and received criticism for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks shaking too many things up in the franchise]], and reinforcing the feeling of pointnessless that ''The Force Awakens'' had imparted upon the original trilogy. It actually made many fans look forward to Abrams's return for ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker''.
** Then ''The Rise of Skywalker'' was panned by critics and at best highly divisive once again with the fans, with Abrams getting the brunt of it from Johnson fans for his treatment of stuff from ''The Last Jedi'', while at the same time some who didn't like ''The Last Jedi'' for its treatment of stuff from ''The Force Awakens'' welcomed Abrams's approach, and those who didn't like ''The Force Awakens'' and thus the premises of the entire sequel trilogy to begin with continued to criticize all three movies for making the original trilogy (let alone the prequels) feel pointless and fruitless, making for a very messy, very [[BrokenBase broken]] intra-FandomRivalry.
** It got to the point that Creator/SimonPegg, a noted Prequel detractor and part of the cast of ''The Force Awakens'', [[http://sciencefiction.com/2018/11/25/george-lucas-missing-star-wars-according-simon-pegg/ has said that the newer Star Wars films aren't the same without Lucas' involvement]].
** ''WebVideo/WisecrackEdition'' discussed this phenomenon in light of the polarizing fan reception to the Disney-era ''Star Wars'' movies. They argued that, very much like a political leader, George Lucas was able to claim legitimacy as the creative mind behind ''Star Wars'' since he created the franchise and personally approved the creation of many beloved Expanded Universe works. However, the new Disney management at Lucasfilm began facing a legitimacy crisis after the buyout of ''Star Wars'' following several controversial decisions like decanonizing the old Expanded Universe and producing rather polarizing films without the creative involvement of Lucas. Subsequently, many die-hard fans, many of whom became content creators themselves, began to see the new Lucasfilm as illegitimate and began producing works to voice their discontent.
** Website/{{Cracked}} [[https://www.cracked.com/article_27664_video-why-new-star-wars-trilogy-was-doomed-from-start.html would argue]] that a big reason for the mixed reception to the Sequel Trilogy was that, unlike Lucas, Disney didn't devote as much time and effort to WorldBuilding as he did, noting that as divisive as the Prequel Trilogy was, it still painted a clear picture of what the trilogy was about and what the characters' motivations were, whereas the Sequel Trilogy didn't and thus the stakes and motivations weren't as clear.
** On the whole, the Sequel Trilogy was so divisive that [[VindicatedByHistory it made many fans reexamine Lucas' work, especially with the Prequel Trilogy, more favorably]].
* The first ''Film/DieHard'' film is directed by Creator/JohnMcTiernan. All of the sequels [[ContestedSequel are contested]], to some extent. ''Film/DieHardWithAVengeance'', again directed by [=McTiernan=], is the least contested.
* ''Film/TheBourneSeries'': ZigZagged with MyRealDaddy, as one may argue that the Bourne series [[HasTwoMommies has two daddies]] with directors Creator/DougLiman and Creator/PaulGreengrass. With ''Film/TheBourneIdentity'', Liman gave the film a unique style, but it was Greengrass who would flesh it out in its sequels ''Film/TheBourneSupremacy'' and ''Film/TheBourneUltimatum'', with Liman still involved as executive producer, garnering even greater acclaim. But when Greengrass turned down the offer to direct ''Film/TheBourneLegacy'', Creator/MattDamon left with him, saying he wouldn't do any more movies without him, and Liman left too. This is part of why ''Legacy'' hasn't been as well-received as its predecessors. Though it should be noted that Tony Gilroy wrote all four films (and directed ''Legacy''). Damon and Greengrass finally reunited to make ''Film/JasonBourne'', which received mixed reviews, as well.
* Fans of the ''Film/{{Scream}}'' series view Kevin Williamson, the writer of [[Film/{{Scream 1996}} the first]] [[Film/{{Scream 2}} two films]], as the only person who can get the characters right. ''Film/{{Scream 3}}'' was written by Ehren Kruger due to Williamson having commitments to other projects, and is nowadays seen as the worst film in the series, and while ''Film/{{Scream 4}}'' saw Williamson come back to the series, Kruger was also credited for rewrites, and many fans blame the film's weaker moments on him. Worst of all was [[Series/ScreamTVSeries the TV adaptation]], which neither Williamson, Kruger, nor the films' director Creator/WesCraven had any creative involvement in (barring a producer credit for Craven), and which has been lambasted by fans.
* Creator/RidleyScott himself has expressed this sentiment regarding the ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'' series, saying he now regrets his departure from it and intends to assume full creative control to prevent films that contradict the new post-''Film/{{Prometheus}}'' canon, like ''Film/AlienVsPredator'', from being made. The fans, on the other hand, are unsure on whether ''Prometheus'' and ''Film/AlienCovenant'' are actually taking the franchise on a better path. It is well worth noting and remembering, though, that Scott directed the original film but he did ''not'' create the actual story or the titular creatures; that honor belongs to screenwriters Dan O'Bannon and Ron Shusett.
* The only one of the sequels to ''Film/NationalLampoonsVacation'' to be written by Creator/JohnHughes was ''Film/NationalLampoonsChristmasVacation'', which is widely conisdered to be the best of the them.
* Of the various continuations to ''Film/TheExorcist'', the only on to have original author William Peter Blatty's involvement was ''Film/TheExorcistIII'', which is considered the only worthy successor to the original.
* Creator/ShaneBlack was only involved with the first two ''Film/LethalWeapon'' films. [[Film/LethalWeapon1987 The first]] is widely considered a classic and [[Film/LethalWeapon2 the second]] is hailed as the be the best of the sequels. The [[Film/LethalWeapon3 third]] and [[Film/LethalWeapon4 fourth]] films are somewhat divisive.
* Zigzagged with the ''Franchise/{{Halloween}}'' franchise. Fans were overjoyed with Creator/JohnCarpenter's return for ''Film/Halloween2018'' (as executive producer and co-composer), which ignores every film in the franchise except the original. Indeed, the film was largely seen by critics and fans as a return to form for a franchise that had seen numerous questionable sequels and a polarizing reboot. However, many forgot that Carpenter was also involved in ''Film/HalloweenII1981'' (as co-writer, producer, and composer) and the notorious ''Film/HalloweenIIISeasonOfTheWitch'' (as producer and composer), both of which also involved Debra Hill, who co-wrote and co-produced the original film with Carpenter. Despite even this, ''Halloween II'' is often seen as one of the better original sequels, and ''Halloween III: Season of the Witch'' is slowly gaining a cult following among fans of 80s horror, who view it as underrated. Although 2018's ''Film/HalloweenKills'' retained Carpenter but wound up a very divisive affair.
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