* At first, the ''VideoGame/RhythmHeaven'' series looks like it would be relatively simple and in fact seems almost geared towards the kids. Trust us when we say this is one most of the young 'uns should ''[[SurpriseDifficulty not]]'' be playing.
** To spell it out: medals, used to unlock bonus minigames or features, can only be obtained in games by meeting their  two or three hidden "tasks" (mostly making no more than few mistakes in certain beats or sequences) in the same run.To get extra content such as the soundtrack, you then have to revisit a level in which you got a Medal, and get a Perfect Medal , which is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: no mistakes allowed, and even beats that are slightly off that wouldn't be counted as a mistake still cost you your Perfect.
**Even worse is that the European release of the Wii game has a glitch in the third remix that makes transitions between different beats be too early to hit the last one of the first sequence ,making it impossible to get either medal on that level.

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* ''{{DJMAX}} Portable Black Square'''s Club Tour mode has some of the most bullshit missions in a RhythmGame around. At Area 4, which is about halfway through, you get missions that require you to full-combo songs as well as missions where you need '''100% accuracy''', only one of which is on a level-1 song. Later on, you get missions where you need absurd amounts of points while chaining as many as seven or even eight ''GuitarHero''-style {{Limit Break}}s, missions that demand very high combos (which are only achievable if you use the aforementioned LimitBreak to artifically raise your combo), more missions in which you are a OneHitPointWonder (or, at the very least, "miss less than a single-digit number of notes" missions) on very difficult charts, and missions that combine two of these objectives (all while giving you [[ThatOneBoss One Of Those Bosses]] as the song to do these missions on). So why endure all of this crap? Well, to get into certain clubs and areas so you can unlock songs, you need to increase your rank, and the only way to do so is through these missions!

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* ''{{DJMAX}} Portable Black Square's Club Tour mode has some of the most bullshit missions in a RhythmGame around. At Area 4, which is about halfway through, you get missions that require you to full-combo songs as well as missions where you need 100% accuracy, only one of which is on a level-1 song. Later on, you get missions where you need absurd amounts of points while chaining as many as seven or even eight ''GuitarHero''-style {{Limit Break}}s, missions that demand very high combos (which are only achievable if you use the aforementioned LimitBreak to artifically raise your combo), more missions in which you are a OneHitPointWonder (or, at the very least, "miss less than a single-digit number of notes" missions) on very difficult charts, and missions that combine two of these objectives (all while giving you [[ThatOneBoss One Of Those Bosses]] as the song to do these missions on). So why endure all of this crap? Well, to get into certain clubs and areas so you can unlock songs, you need to increase your rank, and the only way to do so is through these missions!

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*  The most common recurring complaint people had with ''GuitarHero 3'' was that it was ''far'' more difficult than the preceding games. While the difficulty needed to be steeper than Guitar Hero 2 in order to provide some challenge to the players that had mastered that game, a lot of the songs were just plain unreasonable, with note structures that didn't serve any purpose except to make your life hell. And even if you could handle most of the game, the last set ('Raining Blood', 'Cliffs of Dover', 'Number of the Beast' and 'One', followed by going head to head with the Devil in 'The Devil Went Down to Georgia') went beyond insane. 'Raining Blood' is widely regarded as the hardest (compulsory) song in the series- at least 'Through the Fire & the Flames' is only a bonus track...
**  Outside of the legendarily difficult final tier, seventh-tier song Before I Forget by {{Slipknot}} is infamous for its bridge chord progression that, on Expert, goes (GY)(RB)(GY)(RB)(YO)(RB)(GY)(RB) at an eighth note rhythm, then adds in some (RB)(YO)(RB) changes at sixteenth-note rhythm for good measure. For the uninitiated, that basically means your fretting hand would sooner liberate itself from the corresponding arm and desert your body than be subjected to that kind of torture.
***  Even before the bridge, the song is just loaded with "why not?"-style 2- and 3-button chords.
**  Interestingly, GuitarHero 3 was the first in the Guitar Hero franchise not to be made by the original developers Harmonix, and instead being handed off to Activision's replacement team after Harmonix left to partner with EA. It is possible that in their relative inexperience, they resorted to a certain amount of [[FakeDifficulty fake difficulty]].
***  However, this is somewhat countered by a more generous timing window than the Harmonix games. In the faster sections, the challenge comes in being able to hit (or pull-off to) frets in the correct sequence at that speed, without having to worry so much about the rhythm of it. Good news for masochists though; there's a [[SelfImposedChallenge precision mode]] which makes the timing window even tighter than the old games!

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* The most common recurring complaint people had with ''GuitarHero 3'' was that it was ''far'' more difficult than the preceding games. While the difficulty needed to be steeper than Guitar Hero 2 in order to provide some challenge to the players that had mastered that game, a lot of the songs were just plain unreasonable, with note structures that didn't serve any purpose except to make your life hell. And even if you could handle most of the game, the last set ('Raining Blood', 'Cliffs of Dover', 'Number of the Beast' and 'One', followed by going head to head with the Devil in 'The Devil Went Down to Georgia') went beyond insane. 'Raining Blood' is widely regarded as the hardest (compulsory) song in the series- at least 'Through the Fire & the Flames' is only a bonus track...
** Outside of the legendarily difficult final tier, seventh-tier song Before I Forget by {{Slipknot}} is infamous for its bridge chord progression that, on Expert, goes (GY)(RB)(GY)(RB)(YO)(RB)(GY)(RB) at an eighth note rhythm, then adds in some (RB)(YO)(RB) changes at sixteenth-note rhythm for good measure. For the uninitiated, that basically means your fretting hand would sooner liberate itself from the corresponding arm and desert your body than be subjected to that kind of torture.
*** Even before the bridge, the song is just loaded with "why not?"-style 2- and 3-button chords.
** Interestingly, GuitarHero 3 was the first in the Guitar Hero franchise not to be made by the original developers Harmonix, and instead being handed off to Activision's replacement team after Harmonix left to partner with EA. It is possible that in their relative inexperience, they resorted to a certain amount of FakeDifficulty.
*** However, this is somewhat countered by a more generous timing window than the Harmonix games. In the faster sections, the challenge comes in being able to hit (or pull-off to) frets in the correct sequence at that speed, without having to worry so much about the rhythm of it. Good news for masochists though; there's a [[SelfImposedChallenge precision mode]] which makes the timing window even tighter than the old games!

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** And should you master that, play TTFAF on Rock Band 3 with the Mustang or (god help you) Squier pro guitars. Shit just got real. 
*  The ''BitTrip'' series of rhythm action games for WiiWare. Here's the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbSbhg0sDw8 first one]], where you control a tiny pong paddle and have to hit hundreds of beats with it. This is [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO0hliWO7Kg the sequel]], where you are a + sign in the middle of the screen and you again have to hit hundreds of beats that are flying all around you and switching directions. They are fun, but they WILL make you weep.
**  The third game, despite supposedly being a [[BreatherLevel Breather Game]], is also incredibly difficult, being a BulletHell game where you have to both hit and dodge bullets at the same time.
**  The fourth game, ''Runner'', a rhythm platformer, is quite possibly harder than all the other games put together. You have to dodge tons of fast obstacles, press buttons crazy fast, and if you get hit once, you go back to the start of the level, even if you are an inch from the finish line. And it will happen over, and over, and over.

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** And should you master that, play TTFAF on Rock Band 3 with the Mustang or (god help you) Squier pro guitars. Shit just got real.
* The ''BitTrip'' series of rhythm action games for WiiWare. Here's the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbSbhg0sDw8 first one]], where you control a tiny pong paddle and have to hit hundreds of beats with it. This is [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO0hliWO7Kg the sequel]], where you are a + sign in the middle of the screen and you again have to hit hundreds of beats that are flying all around you and switching directions. They are fun, but they WILL make you weep.
** The third game, despite supposedly being a [[BreatherLevel Breather Game]], is also incredibly difficult, being a BulletHell game where you have to both hit and dodge bullets at the same time.
** The fourth game, ''Runner'', a rhythm platformer, is quite possibly harder than all the other games put together. You have to dodge tons of fast obstacles, press buttons crazy fast, and if you get hit once, you go back to the start of the level, even if you are an inch from the finish line. And it will happen over, and over, and over.

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*  There are two kinds of fan-made song files for DDR type games: those that aim to simulate DDR, and the rest that are Nintendo hard. Fans who make the latter are the ones devoted enough to the game to be able to play at that level of difficulty. Worse, a lot of DDR song file authors forget that they aren't playing Beatmania; you are totally screwed if you try to use your feet and a dance mat for their songs.
*  ''{{DJMAX}} Portable Black Square''[='=]s Club Tour mode has some of the most bullshit missions in a RhythmGame around. At Area 4, which is about halfway through, you get missions that require you to full-combo songs as well as missions where you need '''100% accuracy''', only one of which is on a level-1 song. Later on, you get missions where you need absurd amounts of points while chaining as many as seven or even eight ''GuitarHero''-style {{Limit Break}}s, missions that demand very high combos (which are only achievable if you use the aforementioned LimitBreak to artifically raise your combo), more missions in which you are a OneHitPointWonder (or, at the very least, "miss less than a single-digit number of notes" missions) on very difficult charts, and missions that combine two of these objectives (all while giving you [[ThatOneBoss One Of Those Bosses]] as the song to do these missions on). So why endure all of this crap? Well, to get into certain clubs and areas so you can unlock songs, you need to increase your rank, and the only way to do so is through these missions!
*  All three of [=iNis=]' games in the ''[[OsuTatakaeOuendan Ouendan]]'' series (1, 2, and ''EliteBeatAgents'') are notable for having extremely hard final songs, even on the ''easy'' mode. The sky-rocketing difficulty puts some of the penultimate stages pretty close as well, most notably "Canned Heat" in ''EBA''.
**  It's not the beatmaps themselves that are hard. Compared to other rhythm games, they're actually pretty simple. No, what makes the game Nintendo Hard is the absolutely unforgiving life meter, which penalizes you greatly for missed notes, such that it only takes a few missed notes before you fail out, and even if you manage to survive at first, not only is it really hard to build your meter back up, but you can still fail out later because ''the meter is always decreasing'' when you're not hitting notes. Which, by the way, makes it possible to fail even if you are hitting all the notes, unless you're hitting most of them perfectly. Oh, and the final stages? They like to throw a lot of spinners at you, and then have you hit tricky note sequences after the spinners, which tend to make your hand a little shaky for some time afterwards...
*  ''[[PopNMusic Pop'n Music]]'' is why you '''DO NOT''' [[SurpriseDifficulty judge a game's challenge by how mature it looks]].
**  You can thank the 9 buttons for that. The reason it has that many buttons was that it was originally meant to be played by two or even three players at once, in particular, a boyfriend and girlfriend on a date. Later, after IIDX really took off (bringing musical danmaku into the mainstream), Konami realized that lots of buttons also made it possible to create truly insane notecharts. Don't worry about it too much; this is just the EX level (which was made specifically for players who wanted a massive challenge). ''Uhh... there are Hyper charts with difficulty on par with EX charts (some songs don't even have EX charts to begin with).''

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* There are two kinds of fan-made song files for DDR type games: those that aim to simulate DDR, and the rest that are Nintendo hard. Fans who make the latter are the ones devoted enough to the game to be able to play at that level of difficulty. Worse, a lot of DDR song file authors forget that they aren't playing Beatmania; you are totally screwed if you try to use your feet and a dance mat for their songs.
* ''{{DJMAX}} Portable Black Square'''s Club Tour mode has some of the most bullshit missions in a RhythmGame around. At Area 4, which is about halfway through, you get missions that require you to full-combo songs as well as missions where you need '''100% accuracy''', only one of which is on a level-1 song. Later on, you get missions where you need absurd amounts of points while chaining as many as seven or even eight ''GuitarHero''-style {{Limit Break}}s, missions that demand very high combos (which are only achievable if you use the aforementioned LimitBreak to artifically raise your combo), more missions in which you are a OneHitPointWonder (or, at the very least, "miss less than a single-digit number of notes" missions) on very difficult charts, and missions that combine two of these objectives (all while giving you [[ThatOneBoss One Of Those Bosses]] as the song to do these missions on). So why endure all of this crap? Well, to get into certain clubs and areas so you can unlock songs, you need to increase your rank, and the only way to do so is through these missions!
* All three of [=iNis=]' games in the ''[[OsuTatakaeOuendan Ouendan]]'' series (1, 2, and ''EliteBeatAgents'') are notable for having extremely hard final songs, even on the ''easy'' mode. The sky-rocketing difficulty puts some of the penultimate stages pretty close as well, most notably "Canned Heat" in ''EBA''.
** It's not the beatmaps themselves that are hard. Compared to other rhythm games, they're actually pretty simple. No, what makes the game Nintendo Hard is the absolutely unforgiving life meter, which penalizes you greatly for missed notes, such that it only takes a few missed notes before you fail out, and even if you manage to survive at first, not only is it really hard to build your meter back up, but you can still fail out later because ''the meter is always decreasing'' when you're not hitting notes. Which, by the way, makes it possible to fail even if you are hitting all the notes, unless you're hitting most of them perfectly. Oh, and the final stages? They like to throw a lot of spinners at you, and then have you hit tricky note sequences after the spinners, which tend to make your hand a little shaky for some time afterwards...
* ''PopNMusic'' is why you '''DO NOT''' [[SurpriseDifficulty judge a game's challenge by how mature it looks]].
** You can thank the 9 buttons for that. The reason it has that many buttons was that it was originally meant to be played by two or even three players at once, in particular, a boyfriend and girlfriend on a date. Later, after IIDX really took off (bringing musical danmaku into the mainstream), Konami realized that lots of buttons also made it possible to create truly insane notecharts. Don't worry about it too much; this is just the EX level (which was made specifically for players who wanted a massive challenge). ''Uhh... there are Hyper charts with difficulty on par with EX charts (some songs don't even have EX charts to begin with).''

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