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10th May '17 10:02:32 AM Stranrep
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** Worse, in the film, Darth Vader himself says that the Emperor is not as forgiving as [[YouHaveFailedMe him]]. In the ''Legends'' continuity, he backs it up, as it's shown that he killed Bevel Lemelisk, the chief engineer of Death Star project many times, each time more gruesome than the last, as he hadn't corrected the error in the 1st Death Star, resurrecting him again and again.

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** Worse, in the film, Darth Vader himself says that the Emperor is not as forgiving as [[YouHaveFailedMe him]]. In the ''Legends'' continuity, he the latter backs it up, as it's shown that he killed Bevel Lemelisk, the chief engineer of Death Star project many times, each time more gruesome than the last, as he hadn't corrected the error in the 1st Death Star, resurrecting him again and again.
14th Apr '17 9:46:05 AM Saveelich
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14th Apr '17 9:43:45 AM Saveelich
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12th Apr '17 5:39:03 PM JPO398
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--> '''Palpatine:''' Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design!
12th Apr '17 8:20:15 AM Chris116
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*** [[spoiler: Apparently, during the reign of the Empire, Palpatine sensed a signal emitting from the Unknown Regions through the Dark Side, one that not even Darth Vader could sense. He sent out probes and ships out into the Unknown Regions, becoming obsessed with mapping it, theorizing that what he was sensing was an origin of sorts of the Dark Side of the Force. He established an observatory on Jakku, which housed Sith Artifacts and other such things.]]

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*** [[spoiler: Apparently, during the reign of the Empire, Palpatine sensed a signal emitting from the Unknown Regions through the Dark Side, one that not even Darth Vader could sense. He sent out probes and ships out into the Unknown Regions, becoming obsessed with mapping it, theorizing that what he was sensing was an origin of sorts of the Dark Side of the Force. He established an observatory on Jakku, which housed Sith Artifacts and other such things.]] What's out there that has ''Palpatine'' this spooked and obsessed?!]]



*** [[spoiler: Above all, an excerpt from ''Thrawn'' reveals that Grand Admiral Thrawn somehow factors into this grand plan, with Thrawn telling Palpatine of threats lurking in the Unknown Regions, threats that could pose a threat to the Empire. All of this implies that Supreme Leader Snoke is the Dark Side presence in the Unknown Regions, and that he may be a being who has been around seen years before the events of the main films, and has been watching everyone all this time. Speaking of which...]]

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*** [[spoiler: Above all, an excerpt from ''Thrawn'' reveals that Grand Admiral Thrawn somehow factors into this grand plan, with Thrawn telling Palpatine of threats lurking in the Unknown Regions, threats that could pose a threat to the Empire. All of this implies that Supreme Leader Snoke is the Dark Side presence in the Unknown Regions, and that he may be a being who has been around seen years before the events of the main films, and has been watching everyone all this time. Speaking of which...]]
25th Mar '17 8:32:37 PM IchigoMontoya
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* [[BigBad Emperor Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious]] was arguably one of the most chilling characters on the franchise.
** He [[AdultFear resembles power-hungry, selfish politicians in the real world (past, present, and future)]], and his force lightning is absolutely terrifying - so terrifying that only Yoda has managed to push it off. And it's stated by him in ''Revenge of The Sith'' that it's only Anakin, Chosen One, is more powerful then he is...
*** His most terrifying power is not in the Force, but in his mind. He has become Galactic Emperor mostly through his cunning manipulation of all sides, including those who knew he shouldn't be trusted (Dooku, Trade Federation, etc). In the old EU, in ''Dark Empire'', when he returns, he ''acknowledged his mistakes and nearly won''.

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* [[BigBad Emperor Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious]] was is arguably one of the most chilling characters on of the franchise.
** He [[AdultFear resembles power-hungry, selfish politicians in the real world (past, present, and future)]], and his force lightning Force Lightning is absolutely terrifying - so terrifying that only Yoda has managed to push it off. And it's stated by him in ''Revenge of The Sith'' that it's only Anakin, Chosen One, is who's more powerful then he is...
him...
*** His most terrifying power is not isn't in the Force, but in his mind. He has become Galactic Emperor created the Empire mostly through his cunning manipulation of all sides, including those who knew he shouldn't be trusted (Dooku, Trade Federation, etc). In the old EU, ''Legends'', in ''Dark Empire'', when he returns, returned, he ''acknowledged his mistakes and nearly won''.



** Worse, in the film, Darth Vader himself says that the Emperor is not as forgiving as [[YouHaveFailedMe him]]. In the ''Legends'' continuity, he backs it up, as it's shown that he killed Bevel Lemelisk, the chief engineer of Death Star project many times, every time more and more gruesome, as he hasn't corrected the error in the 1st Death Star, resurrecting him again and again.
** Throughout the films, we find out he is behind almost all the bad things that happen he engineered the invasion of his own home planet, started the Clone Wars and used the start of the war to gain considerable emergency powers, nearly annihilated the Jedi Order '''including the children''', turned Anakin to the Dark Side, killed and disposed his loyal Separatist allies when he had no use for them anymore, and made the Republic into a fascist dictatorship, ruling by fear and using planet-destroying superweapons like the Death Star against anything with the idea of dissenting, and personally destroying entire populations that conspire against him. He only has loyalty to himself-- it is implied in Episode VI that he treated Darth Vader as expendable when Luke defeated him, and wanted to make Luke his apprentice instead while leaving Vader to die.
** To get an idea of how terrifyingly evil Palpatine is, his own actor directly compares him [[SatanicArchetype to the Devil.]] Not just that, but he claims that Palpatine ''[[UpToEleven is more evil.]]''

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** Worse, in the film, Darth Vader himself says that the Emperor is not as forgiving as [[YouHaveFailedMe him]]. In the ''Legends'' continuity, he backs it up, as it's shown that he killed Bevel Lemelisk, the chief engineer of Death Star project many times, every each time more and more gruesome, gruesome than the last, as he hasn't hadn't corrected the error in the 1st Death Star, resurrecting him again and again.
** Throughout the films, we find out he is that Palpatine's behind almost all the damn near every bad things that happen thing that's happened he engineered the invasion of his own home planet, started the Clone Wars and used the start of the war to gain considerable emergency powers, nearly annihilated the Jedi Order '''including the children''', turned Anakin to the Dark Side, killed and disposed his loyal Separatist allies when he had no use for them anymore, and made the Republic into a fascist dictatorship, ruling by fear and using planet-destroying superweapons like the Death Star against anything with the idea of dissenting, any potential uprising, and personally destroying entire populations that conspire conspired against him. He He's loyal only has loyalty to himself-- it is it's implied in Episode VI that he treated Darth saw Vader as expendable when Luke defeated him, and wanted to make Luke his apprentice instead while leaving Vader to die.
** To get an idea of how terrifyingly evil Palpatine is, his own actor Creator/IanMcDiarmid directly compares him [[SatanicArchetype to the Devil.]] Not just that, but he claims that Palpatine ''[[UpToEleven is far more evil.]]''



** Snoke. Just...Snoke. As if Palpatine wasn't already bad enough, ''The Force Awakens'' now introduces us to Supreme Leader Snoke, who, while not a Sith, is an extremely powerful Dark Side figure. He is older enough to have witnessed the beginning and end of the Empire, and is implied to have been a GreaterScopeVillain. He is described as a "long-range schemer", with implies that he might be a [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] who's just as, if not more cunning than Palpatine.

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** Snoke. Just...Snoke. As if Palpatine wasn't already bad enough, ''The Force Awakens'' now introduces us to Supreme Leader Snoke, who, while not a Sith, is an extremely powerful Dark Side figure. He is older Sider. He's old enough to have witnessed the beginning and end of the Empire, and is implied to have been a GreaterScopeVillain. He is He's described as a "long-range schemer", with implies that he might be a [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] who's just as, if not more cunning than Palpatine.



** Unlike Palpatine, he doesn't keep Kylo Ren's training stagnant, and instead of pulling many instances of YouHaveFailedMe, he trains Kylo further and makes him an even more powerful figure in the Dark Side. He also doesn't torment Kylo as the Emperor did, and seems to be genuinely fond of him. His AffablyEvil demeanor fits in with him being described as "wise", and lacks the arrogance of the late Palpatine that led to the latter's downfall. All of this fits in with his statements about learning from the mistakes of Vader, Palpatine, and the Empire, which could make him a more effective and dangerous villain than Palpatine ever was.
* InUniverse, when you hear [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stOjeylx4Fw this]], [[PunctuatedForEmphasis you.]] ''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Are.]]'' '''''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis FUCKED.]]'''''

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** Unlike Palpatine, he doesn't keep Kylo Ren's training stagnant, and instead of pulling many instances of YouHaveFailedMe, he trains Kylo further and makes him an even more powerful figure in the Dark Side. apprentice. He also doesn't torment Kylo as the Emperor did, did with Vader, and seems to be genuinely fond of him. His AffablyEvil demeanor fits in with him being described as "wise", and lacks the arrogance of the late Palpatine that led to the latter's downfall. All of this fits in with his statements about learning from the mistakes of Vader, Palpatine, and the Empire, which could make him a more effective and dangerous villain than Palpatine ever was.
* InUniverse, when you hear [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stOjeylx4Fw this]], [[PunctuatedForEmphasis you.]] ''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Are.]]'' '''''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis FUCKED.Screwed.]]'''''
13th Mar '17 10:33:30 AM TimeLordVictorious
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** ''Aftermath: Empire's End'' reveals some more unsettling details on Palpatine.:
*** [[spoiler: Apparently, during the reign of the Empire, Palpatine sensed a signal emitting from the Unknown Regions through the Dark Side, one that not even Darth Vader could sense. He sent out probes and ships out into the Unknown Regions, becoming obsessed with mapping it, theorizing that what he was sensing was an origin of sorts of the Dark Side of the Force. He established an observatory on Jakku, which housed Sith Artifacts and other such things.]]
*** [[spoiler: He also planned the Contingency, a scenario where the Empire is to retreat into the Unknown Regions using Palpatine's research in the event of Palpatine's death, and establish a new Empire elsewhere. The end of ''Empire's End'' reveals that Grand Admiral Rae Sloane, Brendol Hux, and the parts of the Empire that fled after the Battle of Jakku spent months traveling in the Unknown Regions, before coming across Palpatine's personal Super Star Destroyer, the ''Eclipse'', thus beginning what will eventually become the First Order]]
*** [[spoiler: Above all, an excerpt from ''Thrawn'' reveals that Grand Admiral Thrawn somehow factors into this grand plan, with Thrawn telling Palpatine of threats lurking in the Unknown Regions, threats that could pose a threat to the Empire. All of this implies that Supreme Leader Snoke is the Dark Side presence in the Unknown Regions, and that he may be a being who has been around seen years before the events of the main films, and has been watching everyone all this time. Speaking of which...]]
17th Feb '17 8:17:23 PM TimeLordVictorious
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* Supreme Leader Snoke
** Snoke. Just...Snoke. As if Palpatine wasn't already bad enough, ''The Force Awakens'' now introduces us to Supreme Leader Snoke, who, while not a Sith, is an extremely powerful Dark Side figure. He is older enough to have witnessed the beginning and end of the Empire, and is implied to have been a GreaterScopeVillain. He is described as a "long-range schemer", with implies that he might be a [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] who's just as, if not more cunning than Palpatine.
** His appearance makes Palpatine's face look tame in comparison. And the FaceFramedInShadow doesn't make him any less creepy either.
** He's been said to have known Anakin/Vader's true identity, making him one of the few beings to have known so.
** Unlike Palpatine, he doesn't keep Kylo Ren's training stagnant, and instead of pulling many instances of YouHaveFailedMe, he trains Kylo further and makes him an even more powerful figure in the Dark Side. He also doesn't torment Kylo as the Emperor did, and seems to be genuinely fond of him. His AffablyEvil demeanor fits in with him being described as "wise", and lacks the arrogance of the late Palpatine that led to the latter's downfall. All of this fits in with his statements about learning from the mistakes of Vader, Palpatine, and the Empire, which could make him a more effective and dangerous villain than Palpatine ever was.
8th Feb '17 9:26:04 PM SithPanda16
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-->'''Luke:''' I'm not afraid.
-->'''Yoda:''' You will be... ''You will be''.
8th Feb '17 9:25:27 PM SithPanda16
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-->'''Yoda:''' ''(growls)'' You will be... ''You will be''.

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-->'''Yoda:''' ''(growls)'' You will be... ''You will be''.
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