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** The cover for ''Portrait Of An American Family'' was originally intended to be a picture of a naked baby (Manson himself), to show that an innocent baby photo can and will be interpreted as "pornographic". In itself this would have been an effective statement; however the proposed cover was indeed deemed pornographic by relevant authorities, and was thus not used. The censorship of the image only proved the point the band was trying to make, rather than diminishing it.
** Similarly, the cover for ''Holy Wood'' depicts a violent and bloody image of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ, and was thus censored by the bands label. It was originally designed to show how violent the popular scene actually is, and the act of censoring only further emphasised the violent nature of the religious parable.
** The cover for ''Portrait Of An American Family'' was originally intended to be a picture of a naked baby (Manson himself), to show that an innocent baby photo can and will be interpreted as "pornographic". In itself this would have been an effective statement; however the proposed cover was indeed deemed pornographic by relevant authorities, and was thus not used. The censorship of the image only proved the point the band was trying to make, rather than diminishing it.
** Similarly, the cover for ''Holy Wood'' depicts a violent and bloody image of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ, and was thus censored by the bands label. It was originally designed to show how violent the popular scene actually is, and the act of censoring only further emphasised the violent nature of the religious parable.
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** The cover for ''Portrait Of An American Family'' was originally intended to be a picture of a naked baby (Manson himself), to show that an innocent baby photo can and will be interpreted as "pornographic". In itself this would have been an effective statement; however the proposed cover was indeed deemed pornographic by relevant authorities, and was thus not used. The censorship of the image only proved the point the band was trying to make, rather than diminishing it.
** Similarly, the cover for ''Holy Wood'' depicts a violent and bloody image of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ, and was thus censored by the bands label. It was originally designed to show how violent the popular scene actually is, and the act of censoring only further emphasised the violent nature of the religious parable.
** The cover for ''Portrait Of An American Family'' was originally intended to be a picture of a naked baby (Manson himself), to show that an innocent baby photo can and will be interpreted as "pornographic". In itself this would have been an effective statement; however the proposed cover was indeed deemed pornographic by relevant authorities, and was thus not used. The censorship of the image only proved the point the band was trying to make, rather than diminishing it.
** Similarly, the cover for ''Holy Wood'' depicts a violent and bloody image of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ, and was thus censored by the bands label. It was originally designed to show how violent the popular scene actually is, and the act of censoring only further emphasised the violent nature of the religious parable.
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** The cover for ''Portrait Of An American Family'' was originally intended to be a picture of a naked baby (Manson himself), to show that an innocent baby photo can and will be interpreted as "pornographic". In itself this would have been an effective statement; however the proposed cover was indeed deemed pornographic by relevant authorities, and was thus not used. The censorship of the image only proved the point the band was trying to make, rather than diminishing it.
** Similarly, the cover for ''Holy Wood'' depicts a violent and bloody image of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ, and was thus censored by the bands label. It was originally designed to show how violent the popular scene actually is, and the act of censoring only further emphasised the violent nature of the religious parable.
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** The cover for ''Portrait Of An American Family'' was originally intended to be a picture of a naked baby (Manson himself), to show that an innocent baby photo can and will be interpreted as "pornographic". In itself this would have been an effective statement; however the proposed cover was indeed deemed pornographic by relevant authorities, and was thus not used. The censorship of the image only proved the point the band was trying to make, rather than diminishing it.
** Similarly, the cover for ''Holy Wood'' depicts a violent and bloody image of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ, and was thus censored by the bands label. It was originally designed to show how violent the popular scene actually is, and the act of censoring only further emphasised the violent nature of the religious parable.
** The cover for ''Portrait Of An American Family'' was originally intended to be a picture of a naked baby (Manson himself), to show that an innocent baby photo can and will be interpreted as "pornographic". In itself this would have been an effective statement; however the proposed cover was indeed deemed pornographic by relevant authorities, and was thus not used. The censorship of the image only proved the point the band was trying to make, rather than diminishing it.
** Similarly, the cover for ''Holy Wood'' depicts a violent and bloody image of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ, and was thus censored by the bands label. It was originally designed to show how violent the popular scene actually is, and the act of censoring only further emphasised the violent nature of the religious parable.
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Marilyn Manson (initially Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids) are an American rock band founded in 1989. Most of their music technically falls under industrial rock with some [[Music/HeavyMetal metal]] elements, but the band are best known as shock rockers, with their graphic imagery and ruthless attacks on the mainstream media winning them a reputation of the kind seldom seen before in music. In fact, the [[YouCanPanicNow moral panic]] against them was so great that they were blamed for the {{Columbine}} massacre by sections of the media, under the belief that the killers had been inspired by their music.
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Marilyn Manson (initially Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids) are an American rock band founded in 1989. Most of their music technically falls under industrial rock with some [[Music/HeavyMetal metal]] elements, but the band are best known as shock rockers, with their graphic imagery and ruthless attacks on the mainstream media winning them a reputation of the kind seldom seen before in music. In fact, the [[YouCanPanicNow moral panic]] against them was so great that they were blamed for the {{Columbine}} UsefulNotes/{{Columbine}} massacre by sections of the media, under the belief that the killers had been inspired by their music.
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* OminousMusicBox: "Cryptorchid," "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)"
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Marilyn Manson (initially Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids) are an American [[Music/HeavyMetal metal]] band founded in 1989. Most of their music technically falls under IndustrialMetal, but the band are best known as shock rockers, with their graphic imagery and ruthless attacks on the mainstream media winning them a reputation of the kind seldom seen before in music. In fact, the [[YouCanPanicNow moral panic]] against them was so great that they were blamed for the {{Columbine}} massacre by sections of the media, under the belief that the killers had been inspired by their music.
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Marilyn Manson (initially Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids) are an American [[Music/HeavyMetal metal]] rock band founded in 1989. Most of their music technically falls under IndustrialMetal, industrial rock with some [[Music/HeavyMetal metal]] elements, but the band are best known as shock rockers, with their graphic imagery and ruthless attacks on the mainstream media winning them a reputation of the kind seldom seen before in music. In fact, the [[YouCanPanicNow moral panic]] against them was so great that they were blamed for the {{Columbine}} massacre by sections of the media, under the belief that the killers had been inspired by their music.
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* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Most of their songs are around an 8 or 9, with their softer songs going down to a 6 or 7.
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* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Most of their songs are around an 8 a 7 or 9, 8, with their softer songs going down to a 6 5 or 7.6.
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* BilingualBonus: "Kinderfeld."
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* * [[AutoTune Vocoder]]: Used to [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel terrifying]] effect in the outro of "Cryptorchid" and the chorus of "Kinderfeld."
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* Wes Borland- Guitars (touring)
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* TroubledProduction: The necessary re-recording of the debut, the constant drug-use and intra-band tension of ''Antichrist Superstar''.
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* BookEnds: Counting the hidden track, the two distorted "when you are suffering, know that I've betrayed you" at the start and end make ''Antichrist Superstar'' a perfect loop of the ''TheWall'' variety.
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* BookEnds: Counting the hidden track, the two distorted "when you are suffering, know that I've betrayed you" at the start and end make ''Antichrist Superstar'' a perfect loop of the ''TheWall'' ''Music/TheWall'' variety.
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* CowboyBebopAtHisComputer: Marilyn Manson is not a goth band, and they have never claimed to be so. It seems as though only reason people think they are a goth band is because the media kept saying they were. The makeup, nail polish, black clothing, and stereotypical "darkness" of the band didn't help much. The music video for Tainted Love also does not help, what with it being filled with goth kids and all (one even wearing a shirt stating "Nothing but a G(oth) Thing")
* CreatorBreakdown: Marilyn Manson (the person) had a bout of serious depression whilst writing ''Eat Me, Drink Me."'
* CreatorBreakdown: Marilyn Manson (the person) had a bout of serious depression whilst writing ''Eat Me, Drink Me."'
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* CowboyBebopAtHisComputer: Marilyn Manson is not a goth band, and they have never claimed to be so. It seems as though only reason people think they are a goth band is because the media kept saying they were. The makeup, nail polish, black clothing, and stereotypical "darkness" of the band didn't help much. The music video for Tainted Love also does not help, what with it being filled with goth kids and all (one even wearing a shirt stating "Nothing but a G(oth) Thing")
* CreatorBreakdown: Marilyn Manson (the person) had a bout of serious depression whilst writing ''Eat Me, Drink Me."'Thing").
* CreatorBreakdown: Marilyn Manson (the person) had a bout of serious depression whilst writing ''Eat Me, Drink Me."'
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* DemotedToExtra: Roli Mosimann was chosen to produce ''Portrait of an American Family'' due to his work with {{Swans}}, but he turned in a flat and lifeless mix. As an AuthorsSavingThrow, [[NineInchNails Trent Reznor]] (who agreed with Manson that the mix "sucked") brought them to LA for seven weeks of remixing and re-recording, and Mosimann was demoted to "engineer" in the album credits.
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* DemotedToExtra: Roli Mosimann was chosen to produce ''Portrait of an American Family'' due to his work with {{Swans}}, Music/{{Swans}}, but he turned in a flat and lifeless mix. As an AuthorsSavingThrow, [[NineInchNails [[Music/NineInchNails Trent Reznor]] (who agreed with Manson that the mix "sucked") brought them to LA for seven weeks of remixing and re-recording, and Mosimann was demoted to "engineer" in the album credits.
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** [[http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/membre_groupe/photo/Gidget_Gein_(Brad_Mark_Stewart)-12688.jpg Gidget Gein]] and [[http://www.bohlmanlaw.com/images/zim35~$282$29.jpg Zim Zum]] also fit this trope.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Manson originally wanted to use a [[{{Squick}} nude photo of himself as a kid]] for the cover of ''Portrait of an American Family''. Rather sensibly, the label said no, we don't wanna be accused of child pornography, thank you very much.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Manson originally wanted to use a [[{{Squick}} nude photo of himself as a kid]] for the cover of ''Portrait of an American Family''. Rather sensibly, the label said no, we don't wanna be accused of child pornography, thank you very much.
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** [[http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/membre_groupe/photo/Gidget_Gein_(Brad_Mark_Stewart)-12688.jpg Gidget Gein]] and [[http://www.bohlmanlaw.com/images/zim35~$282$29.jpg Zim Zum]] also fit this trope. \n* ExecutiveMeddling: Manson originally wanted to use a [[{{Squick}} nude photo of himself as a kid]] for the cover of ''Portrait of an American Family''. Rather sensibly, the label said no, we don't wanna be accused of child pornography, thank you very much.
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* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Off the stage, Marilyn Manson is a sweet, sensitive, polite and kind-hearted NiceGuy who deeply cares about his fans. When interviewed by MichaelMoore about how his music is allegedly responsible for the titular massacre of ''BowlingForColumbine'', he answers with genuine sadness that people ought to reach out and understand social outcasts like the two boys rather than label them as monsters.
** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]], definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment.
** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]], definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment.
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* OneOfUs: [[http://kotaku.com/146565/cant-get-phoenix-wright-marilyn-manson-can He's an avid gamer.]] (Twiggy Ramirez as well, and he's also a [[http://web.archive.org/web/20110604045216/http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20070227/index.html huge]] StarWars fan)
* RecordProducer: Manson has had a co-producer credit on every album, but he's always gotten assistance from others - Trent Reznor (''Portrait of an American Family'', ''Antichrist Superstar''[[hottip:*:This one also included Sean Beavan and [[SkinnyPuppy Dave Ogilvie]], from the NIN camp]]), [[Music/{{Soundgarden}} Michael]] [[RedHotChiliPeppers Beinhorn]] (''Mechanical Animals''), [[{{Oasis}} Dave Sardy]] (''Holy Wood''), Ben Grosse (''The Golden Age of Grotesque'', which was co-produced by bandmate Tim Skold), and others.
* RecordProducer: Manson has had a co-producer credit on every album, but he's always gotten assistance from others - Trent Reznor (''Portrait of an American Family'', ''Antichrist Superstar''[[hottip:*:This one also included Sean Beavan and [[SkinnyPuppy Dave Ogilvie]], from the NIN camp]]), [[Music/{{Soundgarden}} Michael]] [[RedHotChiliPeppers Beinhorn]] (''Mechanical Animals''), [[{{Oasis}} Dave Sardy]] (''Holy Wood''), Ben Grosse (''The Golden Age of Grotesque'', which was co-produced by bandmate Tim Skold), and others.
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** The line "We're from America/where we eat our young" sounds like a reference to [[GeorgeClinton Funkadelic]]'s album ''America Eats Its Young''.
** Rather HateDumb-ishly, the chorus of "(m)OBSCENE" was accused of being too imitative of the chorus of Music/FaithNoMore's "Be Aggressive", "The Fight Song" was accused of being a [[TheJimmyHartVersion Jimmy Harted]] [[Music/{{Blur}} "Song 2"]] and "Astonishing Panorama of the Endtimes" is occasionally charged with [[TheJimmyHartVersion ripping off]] {{Ministry}}'s "Burning Inside". [[invoked]]
** Rather HateDumb-ishly, the chorus of "(m)OBSCENE" was accused of being too imitative of the chorus of Music/FaithNoMore's "Be Aggressive", "The Fight Song" was accused of being a [[TheJimmyHartVersion Jimmy Harted]] [[Music/{{Blur}} "Song 2"]] and "Astonishing Panorama of the Endtimes" is occasionally charged with [[TheJimmyHartVersion ripping off]] {{Ministry}}'s "Burning Inside". [[invoked]]
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** The line "We're from America/where we eat our young" sounds like a reference to [[GeorgeClinton [[Music/GeorgeClinton Funkadelic]]'s album ''America Eats Its Young''.
** Rather HateDumb-ishly, the chorus of "(m)OBSCENE" was accused of being too imitative of the chorus of Music/FaithNoMore's "Be Aggressive", "The Fight Song" was accused of being a [[TheJimmyHartVersion Jimmy Harted]] [[Music/{{Blur}} "Song 2"]] and "Astonishing Panorama of the Endtimes" is occasionally charged with [[TheJimmyHartVersion ripping off]]{{Ministry}}'s Music/{{Ministry}}'s "Burning Inside". [[invoked]]
** Rather HateDumb-ishly, the chorus of "(m)OBSCENE" was accused of being too imitative of the chorus of Music/FaithNoMore's "Be Aggressive", "The Fight Song" was accused of being a [[TheJimmyHartVersion Jimmy Harted]] [[Music/{{Blur}} "Song 2"]] and "Astonishing Panorama of the Endtimes" is occasionally charged with [[TheJimmyHartVersion ripping off]]
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** Rather HateDumb-ishly, the chorus of "(m)OBSCENE" was accused of being too imitative of the chorus of Music/FaithNoMore's "Be Aggressive", "The Fight Song" was accused of being a [[TheJimmyHartVersion Jimmy Harted]] [[Music/{{Blur}} "Song 2"]] and "Astonishing Panorama of the Endtimes" is occasionally charged with [[TheJimmyHartVersion ripping off]] {{Ministry}}'s "Burning Inside".
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** Rather HateDumb-ishly, the chorus of "(m)OBSCENE" was accused of being too imitative of the chorus of Music/FaithNoMore's "Be Aggressive", "The Fight Song" was accused of being a [[TheJimmyHartVersion Jimmy Harted]] [[Music/{{Blur}} "Song 2"]] and "Astonishing Panorama of the Endtimes" is occasionally charged with [[TheJimmyHartVersion ripping off]] {{Ministry}}'s "Burning Inside". [[invoked]]
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* DudeLooksLikeALady: Twiggy in the Antichrist Superstar era (convincing enough to make a [[MoralGuardians Christian right wing group]] say he was a female guitarist who did things onstage). Manson also got into drag for the NineInchNails video "Starfuckers, Inc." (a.k.a. [[{{Bowdlerise}} "Starsuckers, Inc."]]), and in the 'Long Hard Road Out Of Hell' video. He was surprisingly convincing on both occasions.
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* DudeLooksLikeALady: Twiggy in the Antichrist Superstar era (convincing enough to make a [[MoralGuardians Christian right wing group]] say he was a female guitarist who did things onstage). Manson also got into drag for the NineInchNails Music/NineInchNails video "Starfuckers, Inc." (a.k.a. [[{{Bowdlerise}} "Starsuckers, Inc."]]), and in the 'Long Hard Road Out Of Hell' video. He was surprisingly convincing on both occasions.
* FoeYay: To this day, Manson and his first guitarist, Daisy Berkowitz, never miss a chance to be nasty about each other, whether it's bashing each other in interviews or dragging the other into court for any reason.
** Not to mention that Manson's autobiography is peppered with constant denigrating comments about Daisy's sex life.
** Amazingly enough, as of November 2011 Daisy and Marilyn have reconciled and are on speaking terms again.
** Not to mention that Manson's autobiography is peppered with constant denigrating comments about Daisy's sex life.
** Amazingly enough, as of November 2011 Daisy and Marilyn have reconciled and are on speaking terms again.
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* SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll: The band singlehandedly kept America's cocaine industry going through TheNineties. Well, sort of.
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* SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll: The band singlehandedly single-handedly kept America's cocaine industry going through TheNineties. Well, sort of.
* ShinyMidnightBlack:MarilynManson, Marilyn Manson, the lead singer, has hair like this.
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** Rather HateDumb-ishly, the chorus of "(m)OBSCENE" was accused of being too imitative of the chorus of Music/FaithNoMore's "Be Aggressive", "The Fight Song" was accused of being a [[TheJimmyHartVersion Jimmy Harted]] [[Music/{{Blur}} "Song 2"]] and "Astonishing Panorama of the Endtimes" is occasionally charged with [[TheJimmyHartVersion ripping off]] {{Ministry}}'s "Burning Inside".
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* ThemeNaming: The original band members' pseudonyms are formed by taking the first name of a female sex symbol, and the surname of a serial killer (''[[MarilynMonroe Marilyn]]'' Monroe and Charles ''[[CharlesManson Manson]]''). This practice stopped with Zim Zum in the [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Antichrist Superstar]] era.
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* ThemeNaming: The original band members' pseudonyms are formed by taking the first name of a female sex symbol, and the surname of a serial killer (''[[MarilynMonroe Marilyn]]'' (''{{Marilyn|Monroe}}'' Monroe and Charles ''[[CharlesManson Manson]]''). This practice stopped with Zim Zum in the [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Antichrist Superstar]] era.
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* WeUsedToBeFriends: Manson was close friends with [[NineInchNails Trent Reznor]], who got them on his Nothing Records label, produced their first two albums and generally helped promote them. Then, at some point they had a pretty drastic falling out, and despite a short reconciliation around 1999-2000 (enough for Manson to make a cameo in the "Starfuckers, Inc." video and play a concert together), they pretty quickly went back to not being on such good terms anymore. Trent took a potshot or two at Manson, mocking his "Personal Jesus" cover when responding to a fan's question, and Manson's still angry because the Nothing people lost the master tracks for his first three albums[[hottip:*:This wasn't strictly Trent's fault, as he got involved in a lawsuit with his former manager and gave up the label. Also, Rob Sheridan had to completely re-do the artwork for the ''Pretty Hate Machine'' remaster because Gary Talpas' original was lost by the Nothing staff as well]]. The whole feud's died down somewhat since, even if they're not gonna start being friendly again anytime soon.
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* WeUsedToBeFriends: Manson was close friends with [[NineInchNails [[Music/NineInchNails Trent Reznor]], who got them on his Nothing Records label, produced their first two albums and generally helped promote them. Then, at some point they had a pretty drastic falling out, and despite a short reconciliation around 1999-2000 (enough for Manson to make a cameo in the "Starfuckers, Inc." video and play a concert together), they pretty quickly went back to not being on such good terms anymore. Trent took a potshot or two at Manson, mocking his "Personal Jesus" cover when responding to a fan's question, and Manson's still angry because the Nothing people lost the master tracks for his first three albums[[hottip:*:This wasn't strictly Trent's fault, as he got involved in a lawsuit with his former manager and gave up the label. Also, Rob Sheridan had to completely re-do the artwork for the ''Pretty Hate Machine'' remaster because Gary Talpas' original was lost by the Nothing staff as well]]. The whole feud's died down somewhat since, even if they're not gonna start being friendly again anytime soon.
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** Try telling someone about the song "Rock N Roll Nigger". Just try.
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** Try telling someone about the their cover of Music/PattiSmith's song "Rock N Roll Nigger". Just try.
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* ThemeNaming: The original band members' pseudonyms are formed by taking the first name of a female sex symbol, and the surname of a serial killer (''[[MarilynMonroe Marilyn]]'' Monroe and Charles ''Manson''). This practice stopped with Zim Zum in the [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Antichrist Superstar]] era.
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* ThemeNaming: The original band members' pseudonyms are formed by taking the first name of a female sex symbol, and the surname of a serial killer (''[[MarilynMonroe Marilyn]]'' Monroe and Charles ''Manson'').''[[CharlesManson Manson]]''). This practice stopped with Zim Zum in the [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Antichrist Superstar]] era.
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||TheLancer/TheDragon||Gidget Gein, Twiggy Ramirez, Tim Skold, then Twiggy again||
||TheEvilGenius/TheSmartGuy||Daisy Berkowitz, Ginger Fish||
||TheBigGuy/TheBrute||Madonna Wayne Gacy||
||TheDarkChick||Daisy Berkowitz, Zim Zum, John 5||
||BigBrotherMentor||Trent Reznor||
||TagalongKid||This was Twiggy's initial role||
||[[SixthRanger]]||Olivia Newton Bundy, ZsaZsa Speck, Sara Lee Lucas, Mark Chaussee, Rob Holliday, Wes Borland, Andy Gerold, Chris Vrenna and now Fred Sablan||
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||TheHero/TheBigBad||MarilynManson||
||TheLancer/TheDragon||Gidget Gein, Twiggy Ramirez, Tim Skold, then Twiggy again||
||TheEvilGenius/TheSmartGuy||Daisy Berkowitz, Ginger Fish||
||TheBigGuy/TheBrute||Madonna Wayne Gacy||
||TheDarkChick||Daisy Berkowitz, Zim Zum, John 5||
||BigBrotherMentor||Trent Reznor||
||TagalongKid||This was Twiggy's initial role||
||[[SixthRanger]]||Olivia Newton Bundy, ZsaZsa Speck, Sara Lee Lucas, Mark Chaussee, Rob Holliday, Wes Borland, Andy Gerold, Chris Vrenna and now Fred Sablan||
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** Try telling someone about the song "Rock N Roll Nigger". Just try.
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** ''Holy Wood'' begins and ends with a key in a lock (respectively opening and closing).
* IntentionallyAwkwardTitle: Many, such as "This is the New Shit", "May Cause Discoloration Of The Urine Or Feces" and "Arma-goddamn-motherfuckin-geddon".
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* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Off the stage, Marilyn Manson is a sweet, sensitive, polite and kind-hearted NiceGuy who deeply cares about his fans. When interviewed by MichaelMoore about how his music is allegedly responsible for the titular massacre of ''Bowling for Columbine'', he answers with genuine sadness that people ought to reach out and understand social outcasts like the two boys rather than label them as monsters.
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* LargeHam: Add the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypkv0HeUvTc passionate]]/[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi5nTb-NRFU over-the-top]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kQMDSw3Aqo delivery]] with the weird imagery, and Manson ranks quite high on the hamminess.
* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Off the stage, Marilyn Manson is a sweet, sensitive, polite and kind-hearted NiceGuy who deeply cares about his fans. When interviewed by MichaelMoore about how his music is allegedly responsible for the titular massacre of''Bowling for Columbine'', ''BowlingForColumbine'', he answers with genuine sadness that people ought to reach out and understand social outcasts like the two boys rather than label them as monsters.
* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Off the stage, Marilyn Manson is a sweet, sensitive, polite and kind-hearted NiceGuy who deeply cares about his fans. When interviewed by MichaelMoore about how his music is allegedly responsible for the titular massacre of
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* ThemeNaming: The original band members' pseudonyms are formed by taking the first name of a female sex symbol, and the surname of a serial killer (''Marilyn'' Monroe and Charles ''Manson''). This practice stopped with Zim Zum in the [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Antichrist Superstar]] era.
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* ThemeNaming: The original band members' pseudonyms are formed by taking the first name of a female sex symbol, and the surname of a serial killer (''Marilyn'' (''[[MarilynMonroe Marilyn]]'' Monroe and Charles ''Manson''). This practice stopped with Zim Zum in the [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Antichrist Superstar]] era.
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* DudeLooksLikeALady: Twiggy in the Antichrist Superstar era (convincing enough to make a [[MoralGuardians Christian right wing group]] say he was a female guitarist who [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean did things]] onstage). Manson also got into drag for the NineInchNails video "Starfuckers, Inc." (a.k.a. [[{{Bowdlerise}} "Starsuckers, Inc."]]), and in the 'Long Hard Road Out Of Hell' video. He was surprisingly convincing on both occasions.
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* DudeLooksLikeALady: Twiggy in the Antichrist Superstar era (convincing enough to make a [[MoralGuardians Christian right wing group]] say he was a female guitarist who [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean did things]] things onstage). Manson also got into drag for the NineInchNails video "Starfuckers, Inc." (a.k.a. [[{{Bowdlerise}} "Starsuckers, Inc."]]), and in the 'Long Hard Road Out Of Hell' video. He was surprisingly convincing on both occasions.
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* FreakyFashionMildMind: Despite the scary looks, he's quite an intelligent person.
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* GenderBlenderName: Many of the male band members use female names as their stage names.
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* GenderBlenderName: Many of the male band members use female names as their stage names. (see ThemeNaming for the reason)
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* OneOfUs: [[http://kotaku.com/146565/cant-get-phoenix-wright-marilyn-manson-can He's an avid gamer.]] (Twiggy Ramirez as well, and he's also a [[http://web.archive.org/web/20110604045216/http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20070227/index.html huge]] StarWars fan)
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* RecordProducer: Manson has had a co-producer credit on every album, but he's always gotten assistance from others - Trent Reznor (''Portrait of an American Family'', ''Antichrist Superstar''[[hottip:*:This one also included Sean Beavan and [[SkinnyPuppy Dave Ogilvie]], from the NIN camp]]), [[{{Soundgarden}} Michael]] [[RedHotChiliPeppers Beinhorn]] (''Mechanical Animals''), [[{{Oasis}} Dave Sardy]] (''Holy Wood''), Ben Grosse (''The Golden Age of Grotesque'', which was co-produced by bandmate Tim Skold), and others.
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* RecordProducer: Manson has had a co-producer credit on every album, but he's always gotten assistance from others - Trent Reznor (''Portrait of an American Family'', ''Antichrist Superstar''[[hottip:*:This one also included Sean Beavan and [[SkinnyPuppy Dave Ogilvie]], from the NIN camp]]), [[{{Soundgarden}} [[Music/{{Soundgarden}} Michael]] [[RedHotChiliPeppers Beinhorn]] (''Mechanical Animals''), [[{{Oasis}} Dave Sardy]] (''Holy Wood''), Ben Grosse (''The Golden Age of Grotesque'', which was co-produced by bandmate Tim Skold), and others.
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* DemotedToExtra: Initially, Roli Mosimann was recruited as the producer for ''Portrait of an American Family'' due to his work with {{Swans}}, but he turned in a flat and lifeless mix. As an AuthorsSavingThrow, [[NineInchNails Trent Reznor]] (who agreed with Manson that the mix "sucked") brought them to LA for seven weeks of remixing and re-recording, and Mosimann was demoted to "engineer" in the album credits.
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* DemotedToExtra: Initially, Roli Mosimann was recruited as the producer for chosen to produce ''Portrait of an American Family'' due to his work with {{Swans}}, but he turned in a flat and lifeless mix. As an AuthorsSavingThrow, [[NineInchNails Trent Reznor]] (who agreed with Manson that the mix "sucked") brought them to LA for seven weeks of remixing and re-recording, and Mosimann was demoted to "engineer" in the album credits.
