History Music / MarilynManson

25th Feb '17 9:21:11 PM wyattte
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* PassingTheTorch: The height of Manson's infamy was probably around the time of the Columbine shootings, which many right-wing zealots were, let's say, very eager to pin on Marilyn Manson. Music/{{Eminem}}, the ''other'' big shock artist of the time, couldn't help but intervene, with a line in his song "The Way I Am" dismissing the criticism (in true Eminem fashion), which lead to Manson himself appearing in the video and making cameos at Eminem's concerts. In hindsight, this was around the time that Eminem's trailer-park horror fantasies became the new target for protest and controversy, while Marilyn Manson maintained a level of notoriety but never had the same grip on mainstream consciousness in the 2000s.
24th Feb '17 8:25:43 AM HasturHasturHastur
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** During the recording of Antichrist Superstar, the first guitarist and co-founder [[http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2004-04-15/news/manson-family-feud/4/ Daisy Berkowitz]] became the butt of everyone's jokes. Among other things, the other members of the band microwaved his guitar picks and four-track recorder just for shits and giggles. Daisy ended up quitting halfway through the recording of the album.

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** During the recording of Antichrist Superstar, the first guitarist and co-founder [[http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2004-04-15/news/manson-family-feud/4/ Daisy Berkowitz]] became the butt of everyone's jokes. Among other things, the other members of the band microwaved his guitar picks and four-track recorder just for shits and giggles. Daisy ended up quitting halfway through the recording of the album.album and later had to sue Manson for unpaid royalties.



* DarkIsNotEvil: His darkness and use of demonic imagery is just part of his image, his public persona. He really is a pretty nice guy. Unless you're one of his ex-bandmates.

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* DarkIsNotEvil: His darkness and use of demonic imagery is just part of his image, his public persona. He really is a pretty nice guy. Unless you're one of his ex-bandmates.ex-bandmates, ''especially'' if your name is Scott Putesky or Stephen Bier.



* LeadBassist: Gidget Gein and Twiggy Ramirez both got more attention than any of the guitarists. For a time, Twiggy became the guitarist, but now he's back on bass so Tyler Bates can do guitar.

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* LeadBassist: Gidget Gein and Twiggy Ramirez both got more attention than any of the guitarists. For a time, Twiggy became the guitarist, guitarist[[note]]which was actually his original instrument of choice way back when he was in Amboog-a-Lard[[/note]], but now he's back on bass so Tyler Bates can do guitar.



* SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll: The band single-handedly kept America's cocaine industry going through TheNineties. Well, sort of.

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* SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll: The band single-handedly kept America's cocaine industry going through TheNineties. Well, sort of. Brad Stewart probably also kept more than a few heroin dealers afloat until it cost him his life.



** Manson's respective friendships with Daisy Berkowitz and Madonna Wayne Gacy also seem to have gone down in flames quite spectacularly. Then again, lawsuits will do that.

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** Manson's respective friendships with Daisy Berkowitz and Madonna Wayne Gacy also seem to have gone down in flames quite spectacularly. Then again, lawsuits will do that.that (though relations with the latter had gone very far south before he even left, let alone took Manson to court).
23rd Feb '17 8:58:48 AM HasturHasturHastur
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* Marilyn Manson vocals, guitar, tambourine (yes, seriously, latest album has one and the Wiki lists it)
* Twiggy Ramirez - Bass, occasional backing vocals at live shows

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* Marilyn Manson (Brian Warner) vocals, guitar, tambourine (yes, seriously, latest album has one and the Wiki lists it)
* Twiggy Ramirez (Jeordie White) - Bass, occasional backing vocals at live shows



* Ginger Fish - Drums, percussion, piano

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* Ginger Fish (Ken Wilson) - Drums, percussion, piano



* Zsa Zsa Speck - Keyboards
* Olivia Newton Bundy - Bass
* Gidget Gein (deceased) - Bass
* Sara Lee Lucas - Drums, Percussion
* Daisy Berkowitz - Guitars
* Zim Zum - Guitars
* John 5 - Guitars
* Madonna Wayne Gacy - Keyboards

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* Zsa Zsa Speck (Perry Pandrea) - Keyboards
* Olivia Newton Bundy (Brian Tutunick) - Bass
* Gidget Gein (Brad Stewart) (deceased) - Bass
* Sara Lee Lucas (Frederick Streithorst) - Drums, Percussion
* Daisy Berkowitz (Scott Putesky) - Guitars
* Zim Zum (Tim Linton) - Guitars
* John 5 (John Lowery) - Guitars
* Madonna Wayne Gacy (Stephen Bier) - Keyboards



* ''[=Say10=]'' (to be released 2/14/2017)

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* ''[=Say10=]'' (to (was going to be released 2/14/2017)2/14/2017, actual street date TBA)



* AddledAddict: While heavy drug usage was common in their early days, Gidget Gein (aka Brad Roberts) was truly out of control, as his extensive heroin usage made his behavior erratic and unpredictable and led to multiple overdoses, one of which finally got him fired.



* DrugsAreBad: "Coma White" and "I Don't Like The Drugs (But The Drugs Like Me)". In fact, ''Mechanical Animals'' has a lot of anti-drug stuff.

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* DrugsAreBad: "Coma White" and "I Don't Like The Drugs (But The Drugs Like Me)". In fact, ''Mechanical Animals'' has a lot of anti-drug stuff. They also led to Brad Stewart's death; drug usage was rampant among the band at that time, but he was completely out of control, having become increasingly unstable and unreliable in addition to repeatedly overdosing.
19th Feb '17 12:44:16 AM alliedcola
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* BadassBaritone: Manson, which only makes the early rumors that he was really a woman even more perplexing.


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** "Irresponsible Hate Anthem".


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** "Para-Noir" has a scream that lasts approximately ''26 seconds'' from the end of the third chorus.
18th Jan '17 7:00:35 PM Rockah12
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** "1996" as well. "Light a candle for the sinners... Set the world on fire. Hahahahahaaaa... [[JumpScare YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOW!]]
27th Dec '16 9:07:50 AM Theatre_Maven_3695
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* {{Feghoot}}: Manson's autobiography ''The Long Hard Road Out of Hell'' featured an entire chapter about a girl he dated who had an unusual circular birthmark around her vagina. Though many events happen during this chapter, he does close it by stating that someone else he knew started dating her and "snatched her away like a greedy little Hobbit and indeed became Literature/{{The Lord of the Ring|s}}.

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* {{Feghoot}}: Manson's autobiography ''The Long Hard Road Out of Hell'' featured an entire chapter about a girl he dated who had an unusual circular birthmark around her vagina. Though many events happen during this chapter, he does close it by stating that someone else he knew (the band's then-drummer Freddy Streihorst, aka Sara Lee Lucas) started dating her and "snatched her away like a greedy little Hobbit and indeed became Literature/{{The Lord of the Ring|s}}.
21st Dec '16 3:37:30 PM nanshe
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* LeadBassist: Gidget Gein and Twiggy Ramirez both probably got more attention than any of the guitarists. For a time, Twiggy became the guitarist, but now he's back on bass so Tyler Bates can do guitar.

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* LeadBassist: Gidget Gein and Twiggy Ramirez both probably got more attention than any of the guitarists. For a time, Twiggy became the guitarist, but now he's back on bass so Tyler Bates can do guitar.



* MrFanservice: During the Spooky Kids days, this was the role of the bassist, Gidget Gein.



* WeUsedToBeFriends: Manson was close friends with [[Music/NineInchNails Trent Reznor,]] who got them on his Nothing Records label, produced their first two albums and generally helped promote them. Then, at some point they had a pretty drastic falling out, and despite a short reconciliation around 1999-2000 (enough for Manson to make a cameo in the "Starfuckers, Inc." video and play a concert together), they pretty quickly went back to not being on such good terms anymore. Trent took a potshot or two at Manson, mocking his "Personal Jesus" cover when responding to a fan's question, and Manson's still angry because the Nothing people lost the master tracks for his first three albums[[note]]This wasn't strictly Trent's fault, as he got involved in a lawsuit with his former manager and gave up the label. Also, Rob Sheridan had to completely re-do the artwork for the ''Pretty Hate Machine'' remaster because Gary Talpas' original was lost by the Nothing staff as well, so they weren't only incompetent towards Marilyn.[[/note]]. The whole feud's died down somewhat since, even if they're not gonna start being friendly again anytime soon.

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* WeUsedToBeFriends: Manson was close friends with [[Music/NineInchNails Trent Reznor,]] who got them on his Nothing Records label, produced their first two albums and generally helped promote them. Then, at some point they had a pretty drastic falling out, and despite a short reconciliation around 1999-2000 (enough for Manson to make a cameo in the "Starfuckers, Inc." video and play a concert together), they pretty quickly went back to not being on such good terms anymore. Trent took a potshot or two at Manson, mocking his "Personal Jesus" cover when responding to a fan's question, and Manson's still angry because the Nothing people lost the master tracks for his first three albums[[note]]This wasn't strictly Trent's fault, as he got involved in a lawsuit with his former manager and gave up the label. Also, Rob Sheridan had to completely re-do the artwork for the ''Pretty Hate Machine'' remaster because Gary Talpas' original was lost by the Nothing staff as well, so they weren't only were incompetent towards Marilyn.on several levels.[[/note]]. The whole feud's died down somewhat since, even if they're not gonna start being friendly again anytime soon.
21st Dec '16 2:10:49 PM nanshe
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* ButtMonkey: [[http://www.side-line.com/news_comments.php?id=1375_0_2_0_C John 5]] and [[http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2004-04-15/news/manson-family-feud/4/ Daisy Berkowitz]], apparently.

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* ButtMonkey: For whatever reason, most of the guitarists in the band end up in this role.
** During the recording of Antichrist Superstar, the first guitarist and co-founder
[[http://www.side-line.com/news_comments.php?id=1375_0_2_0_C John 5]] and [[http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2004-04-15/news/manson-family-feud/4/ Daisy Berkowitz]], apparently.Berkowitz]] became the butt of everyone's jokes. Among other things, the other members of the band microwaved his guitar picks and four-track recorder just for shits and giggles. Daisy ended up quitting halfway through the recording of the album.
13th Dec '16 7:20:05 PM nanshe
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* ThePeteBest: No less than five examples, the last three of whom ended up suing over failure to pay royalties.
** Olivia Newton Bundy and ZsaZsa Speck were the first bassist and keyboardist, but wrote nothing and only played a few shows before quitting to form another band.
** Gidget Gein was the second bassist and co-wrote a number of the songs, but his addiction to heroin got him kicked out of the band. He played on the first album, ''Portrait of an American Family'', but never toured. He later became an artist, but [[AuthorExistenceFailure died of an overdose]] in 2008.
** Sara Lee Lucas was the first drummer, but came into conflict with Manson. He was set on fire during one show and left without saying goodbye.
** Daisy Berkowitz was the first guitarist and co-founder of the band, but clashed with Manson and Twiggy during the Smells Like Children tour and ended up leaving halfway through the recording of the second album, ''Antichrist Superstar''.
13th Dec '16 7:18:58 PM nanshe
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* DudeLooksLikeALady: Twiggy in the Antichrist Superstar era (convincing enough to make a [[MoralGuardians Christian right wing group]] say he was a female guitarist who did things onstage, which is only half-right). Manson also got into drag for the Music/NineInchNails video "Starfuckers, Inc." (a.k.a. [[{{Bowdlerise}} "Starsuckers, Inc."]]), and in the 'Long Hard Road Out Of Hell' video. He was surprisingly convincing on both occasions.

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* DudeLooksLikeALady: Quite a bit.
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Twiggy in the Antichrist Superstar era (convincing enough to make a [[MoralGuardians Christian right wing group]] say he was a female guitarist who did things onstage, which is only half-right). half-right).
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Manson also got into drag for the Music/NineInchNails video "Starfuckers, Inc." (a.k.a. [[{{Bowdlerise}} "Starsuckers, Inc."]]), and in the 'Long Hard Road Out Of Hell' video. He was surprisingly convincing on both occasions.



*** After being kicked out of the band, Daisy started going by his initials, SMP, and joined Jack Off Jill for a time. Seeing as he was decidedly not female, and it was a riot grrrl band, [[http://www.jackoffjill.com/alumni/scott.html this had to be implimented]].

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*** ** After being kicked out of the leaving band, Daisy started going by his initials, SMP, and joined Jack Off Jill for a time. Seeing as he was decidedly not female, and it was a riot grrrl band, [[http://www.jackoffjill.com/alumni/scott.html this had to be implimented]].



* OminousMusicBoxTune: "Cryptorchid," "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)," "Breaking the Same Old Ground"

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* OminousMusicBoxTune: "Cryptorchid," "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)," "Breaking the Same Old Ground"Ground".
* ThePeteBest: No less than five examples, the last three of whom ended up suing over failure to pay royalties.
** Olivia Newton Bundy and ZsaZsa Speck were the first bassist and keyboardist, but wrote nothing and only played a few shows before quitting to form another band.
** Gidget Gein was the second bassist and co-wrote a number of the songs, but his addiction to heroin got him kicked out of the band. He played on the first album, ''Portrait of an American Family'', but never toured. He later became an artist, but [[AuthorExistenceFailure died of an overdose]] in 2008.
** Sara Lee Lucas was the first drummer, but came into conflict with Manson. He was set on fire during one show and left without saying goodbye.
** Daisy Berkowitz was the first guitarist and co-founder of the band, but clashed with Manson and Twiggy during the Smells Like Children tour and ended up leaving halfway through the recording of the second album, ''Antichrist Superstar''.
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