History Music / MarilynManson

17th Aug '16 5:31:04 AM bombadilla
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* MayDecemberRomance: The first in the band was Manson, in his late 30s, dating Evan Rachel-Wood when she was 19. Now, it's adorable husband and wife pair of 43 year old Twiggy and 25 year old Laney Chantal.
25th Jul '16 9:21:23 PM gewunomox
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[[caption-width-right:292: This is [[MindScrew 90's industrial metal]]. Don't ask questions, just go with it.]]

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[[caption-width-right:292: This is [[MindScrew 90's '90s industrial metal]]. Don't ask questions, just go with it.]]



!!"I don't like the tropes, but the tropes like me":

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!!"I ----

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don't like the tropes, but the tropes like me":me":



** The cover for ''Portrait Of An American Family'' was originally intended to be a picture of a naked child (a five year old Manson himself -- the photo was taken by his parents in a non-sexual context, and his genitals weren't showing in the photo,) to show that an innocent photo can and will be interpreted as "pornographic." In itself this would have been an effective statement; however the proposed cover scared the record label about accusations of child pornography, and was thus not used. The censorship of the image only proved the point the band was trying to make, rather than diminishing it.

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** The cover for ''Portrait Of An of an American Family'' was originally intended to be a picture of a naked child (a five year old Manson himself -- the photo was taken by his parents in a non-sexual context, and his genitals weren't showing in the photo,) to show that an innocent photo can and will be interpreted as "pornographic." In itself this would have been an effective statement; however the proposed cover scared the record label about accusations of child pornography, and was thus not used. The censorship of the image only proved the point the band was trying to make, rather than diminishing it.



* CallBack: Used all the time. For example, in ''1996'', there is the lyric "Anti the things I fucked and ate." In ''Arma-Goddamn-Motherfuckin-Geddon'', "First you try to fuck it, then you try to eat it, and if it hasn't learned your name you better kill it before they see it." In ''Heart-Shaped Glasses'', "That blue is getting me high and making me low." The next album was ''The High End of Low''. In ''If I was Your Vampire'', "6 a.m. Christmas morning. No shadows, no reflections here." Then, two albums later, there is the Grammy-nominated song ''No Reflection''. Manson is also known to re-use lyrics from pre-''Portrait'' songs, like "Are all your infants in abortion cribs?"

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* CallBack: Used all the time. For example, in ''1996'', there is the lyric "Anti the things I fucked and ate." In ''Arma-Goddamn-Motherfuckin-Geddon'', "First you try to fuck it, then you try to eat it, and if it hasn't learned your name you better kill it before they see it." In ''Heart-Shaped Glasses'', "That blue is getting me high and making me low." The next album was ''The High End of Low''. In ''If I was Was Your Vampire'', "6 a.m. Christmas morning. No shadows, no reflections here." Then, two albums later, there is the Grammy-nominated song ''No Reflection''. Manson is also known to re-use lyrics from pre-''Portrait'' songs, like "Are all your infants in abortion cribs?"



* CarefulWithThatAxe: "Antichrist Superstar"
** The entire second half of "Para-noir"

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* CarefulWithThatAxe: "Antichrist Superstar"
Superstar".
** The entire second half of "Para-noir""Para-noir".



* {{Cloudcuckoolander}}: In most of his earlier interviews, bassist/guitarist Twiggy was a Grade A example of this trope. Mostly he sat swaying slightly, fiddling with his clothing and staring at the ceiling, rarely speaking unless addressed directly, at which point he would reply with a nonsensical comment (one interview with Manson and Twiggy had the latter saying only "Whiskey and speed," and only answering a couple of questions with a coherent answer, before going back to "Whiskey and speed,") and in one case, only played an audio clip with a tape player. Nobody knows whether he did this intentionally as part of his stage persona, or whether he was just semi-permanently high.

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* {{Cloudcuckoolander}}: In most of his earlier interviews, bassist/guitarist bassist / guitarist Twiggy was a Grade A example of this trope. Mostly he sat swaying slightly, fiddling with his clothing and staring at the ceiling, rarely speaking unless addressed directly, at which point he would reply with a nonsensical comment (one interview with Manson and Twiggy had the latter saying only "Whiskey and speed," and only answering a couple of questions with a coherent answer, before going back to "Whiskey and speed,") and in one case, only played an audio clip with a tape player. Nobody knows whether he did this intentionally as part of his stage persona, or whether he was just semi-permanently high.



* ConceptAlbum: ''Antichrist Superstar'', ''Mechanical Animals'', and ''Holy Wood'' actually form a trilogy about three interconnected main characters, Adam, Omega and The Worm. Chronologically in the narrative, however, it goes in reverse order.

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* ConceptAlbum: ''Antichrist Superstar'', ''Mechanical Animals'', and ''Holy Wood'' actually form a trilogy about three interconnected main characters, Adam, Omega Omega, and The Worm. Chronologically in the narrative, however, it goes in reverse order.



** CoverVersion: The band has also done fairly straight covers (minus GenreShift) of "[[Music/DepecheMode Personal Jesus]]" and "You're So Vain," [[note]]Originally recorded by Music/CarlySimon and subsequently CoveredUp by a ton of other artists[[/note]], the latter featuring guitar not by Twiggy as it was for the rest of the album, but by longtime friend [[Creator/JohnnyDepp Johnny]] [[MindScrew Depp]].

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** CoverVersion: The band has also done fairly straight covers (minus GenreShift) of "[[Music/DepecheMode Personal Jesus]]" and "You're So Vain," [[note]]Originally [[note]] Originally recorded by Music/CarlySimon and subsequently CoveredUp by a ton of other artists[[/note]], artists [[/note]], the latter featuring guitar not by Twiggy as it was for the rest of the album, but by longtime friend [[Creator/JohnnyDepp Johnny]] [[MindScrew Depp]].
19th Jul '16 8:30:36 AM alliedcola
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* CarefulWithThatAxe: "Antichrist Superstar."

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* CarefulWithThatAxe: "Antichrist Superstar.Superstar"
** The entire second half of "Para-noir"
-->''"I don't need a reason to hate you the way I... '''[[JumpScare DOOOOO!!!]]'''"''
** "Hey, Cruel World...
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** "Hey, Cruel World..." has Manson holding a ''very'' [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl high]] scream for a about fourteen seconds.


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** "Baboon Rape Party", anyone?
8th Jun '16 1:46:45 PM stuffedninja
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8th Jun '16 1:46:27 PM stuffedninja
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'''"I don't like the tropes, but the tropes like me":'''

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\n'''"I !!"I don't like the tropes, but the tropes like me":'''
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6th May '16 10:09:03 AM aye_amber
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* AscendedFanboy: A young Manson (real name Brian Warner) appeared on an Creator/{{MTV}} program talking to a VJ about the band he was putting together. According to his autobiography, he also interviewed Music/TrentReznor in the late '80s while working as an amateur music journalist.

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* AscendedFanboy: A young Manson (real name Brian Warner) appeared on an Creator/{{MTV}} program talking to a VJ about the band he was putting together. According to his autobiography, he also interviewed Music/TrentReznor ''Trent Reznor'' in the late '80s while working as an amateur music journalist.



* RecordProducer: Manson has had a co-producer credit on every album, but he's always gotten assistance from others - Trent Reznor (''Portrait of an American Family'', ''Antichrist Superstar''[[note]]This one also included Sean Beavan and [[Music/SkinnyPuppy Dave Ogilvie]], from the NIN camp[[/note]]), [[Music/{{Soundgarden}} Michael]] [[Music/RedHotChiliPeppers Beinhorn]] (''Mechanical Animals''), [[Music/{{Oasis}} Dave Sardy]] (''Holy Wood''), Ben Grosse (''The Golden Age of Grotesque'', which was co-produced by bandmate Tim Skold), and others.

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* RecordProducer: Manson has had a co-producer credit on every album, but he's always gotten assistance from others - -- Trent Reznor (''Portrait of an American Family'', ''Antichrist Superstar''[[note]]This one also included Sean Beavan and [[Music/SkinnyPuppy Dave Ogilvie]], from the NIN camp[[/note]]), [[Music/{{Soundgarden}} Michael]] [[Music/RedHotChiliPeppers Beinhorn]] (''Mechanical Animals''), [[Music/{{Oasis}} Dave Sardy]] (''Holy Wood''), Ben Grosse (''The Golden Age of Grotesque'', which was co-produced by bandmate Tim Skold), and others.



* WeUsedToBeFriends: Manson was close friends with [[Music/NineInchNails Trent Reznor]], who got them on his Nothing Records label, produced their first two albums and generally helped promote them. Then, at some point they had a pretty drastic falling out, and despite a short reconciliation around 1999-2000 (enough for Manson to make a cameo in the "Starfuckers, Inc." video and play a concert together), they pretty quickly went back to not being on such good terms anymore. Trent took a potshot or two at Manson, mocking his "Personal Jesus" cover when responding to a fan's question, and Manson's still angry because the Nothing people lost the master tracks for his first three albums[[note]]This wasn't strictly Trent's fault, as he got involved in a lawsuit with his former manager and gave up the label. Also, Rob Sheridan had to completely re-do the artwork for the ''Pretty Hate Machine'' remaster because Gary Talpas' original was lost by the Nothing staff as well, so they weren't only incompetent towards Marilyn.[[/note]]. The whole feud's died down somewhat since, even if they're not gonna start being friendly again anytime soon.

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* WeUsedToBeFriends: Manson was close friends with [[Music/NineInchNails Trent Reznor]], Reznor,]] who got them on his Nothing Records label, produced their first two albums and generally helped promote them. Then, at some point they had a pretty drastic falling out, and despite a short reconciliation around 1999-2000 (enough for Manson to make a cameo in the "Starfuckers, Inc." video and play a concert together), they pretty quickly went back to not being on such good terms anymore. Trent took a potshot or two at Manson, mocking his "Personal Jesus" cover when responding to a fan's question, and Manson's still angry because the Nothing people lost the master tracks for his first three albums[[note]]This wasn't strictly Trent's fault, as he got involved in a lawsuit with his former manager and gave up the label. Also, Rob Sheridan had to completely re-do the artwork for the ''Pretty Hate Machine'' remaster because Gary Talpas' original was lost by the Nothing staff as well, so they weren't only incompetent towards Marilyn.[[/note]]. The whole feud's died down somewhat since, even if they're not gonna start being friendly again anytime soon.
1st Apr '16 10:02:45 PM aye_amber
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* BeliefMakesYouStupid and BlasphemousBoast: "The Fight Song" from ''Music/HolyWoodInTheShadowOfTheValleyOfDeath:''
--> ''I'm not a slave / for a God that doesn't exist!''



* BeliefMakesYouStupid and BlasphemousBoast: "The Fight Song" from ''Music/HolyWoodInTheShadowOfTheValleyOfDeath''
-->''I'm not a slave / for a God that doesn't exist!''
* BookEnds: Counting the hidden track, the two distorted "when you are suffering, know that I've betrayed you" at the start and end make ''Antichrist Superstar'' a perfect loop of the ''Music/TheWall'' variety.

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* BeliefMakesYouStupid and BlasphemousBoast: "The Fight Song" from ''Music/HolyWoodInTheShadowOfTheValleyOfDeath''
-->''I'm not a slave / for a God that doesn't exist!''
* BookEnds:
{{Bookends}}: Counting the hidden track, the two distorted "when you are suffering, know that I've betrayed you" at the start and end make ''Antichrist Superstar'' a perfect loop of the ''Music/TheWall'' variety.
1st Apr '16 9:57:34 PM aye_amber
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* HeterosexualLifePartners: Manson and Twiggy and Manson and Johnny Depp. Possibly. None of them are 100% open about their sexualities, but Manson and Twiggy have, at the very least, performed oral sex on each other. None of them have claimed to be straight, bi, gay, pan or anything else. It's possible that Manson and Twiggy haven't been sexual since the 1990s. It's possible they're fucking as I type this.



* HarshVocals: Obviously. Live, sometimes they will even become harsher (especially "Antichrist Superstar")

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* HarshVocals: Obviously. Live, sometimes they will even become harsher (especially "Antichrist Superstar")Superstar").
* HeterosexualLifePartners: Manson and Twiggy and Manson and Johnny Depp. Possibly. None of them are 100% open about their sexualities, but Manson and Twiggy have, at the very least, performed oral sex on each other. None of them have claimed to be straight, bi, gay, pan or anything else. It's possible that Manson and Twiggy haven't been sexual since the 1990's. It's possible they're fucking as I type this.
1st Apr '16 9:53:30 PM aye_amber
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* {{Feghoot}}: Manson's autobiography ''The Long Hard Road Out of Hell'' featured an entire chapter about a girl he dated who had an unusual circular birthmark around her vagina. Though many events happen during this chapter, he does close it by stating that someone else he knew started dating her and "snatched her away like a greedy little Hobbit and indeed became the [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Lord of the Ring]]."

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* {{Feghoot}}: Manson's autobiography ''The Long Hard Road Out of Hell'' featured an entire chapter about a girl he dated who had an unusual circular birthmark around her vagina. Though many events happen during this chapter, he does close it by stating that someone else he knew started dating her and "snatched her away like a greedy little Hobbit and indeed became the [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Literature/{{The Lord of the Ring]]."Ring|s}}.
1st Apr '16 9:47:59 PM aye_amber
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* BigBrotherMentor: Manson to Jack and Kelly Osbourne. Jack's first time at a strip club was with Manson, even. He also made a conscious effort to try to be this for Paris Jackson. No word on how it went, however.



* BigBrotherMentor: Manson to Jack and Kelly Osbourne. Jack's first time at a strip club was with Manson, even. He also made a conscious effort to try to be this for Paris Jackson. No word on how it went, however.
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