History Music / MarilynManson

25th Jun '17 7:38:46 PM stuffedninja
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* AutoTune: A vocoder is used to terrifying effect in the outro of "Cryptorchid" and the chorus of "Kinderfeld."



* {{Bookends}}: Counting the hidden track, the two distorted "when you are suffering, know that I've betrayed you" samples at the start and end make ''Antichrist Superstar'' a perfect loop almost of the ''Music/TheWall'' variety.

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* {{Bookends}}: {{Bookends}}:
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Counting the hidden track, the two distorted "when you are suffering, know that I've betrayed you" samples at the start and end make ''Antichrist Superstar'' a perfect loop almost of the ''Music/TheWall'' variety.



* PunBasedTitle: "[=mOBSCENE=]" and "(s)AINT", both off of ''The Golden Age of Grotesque''.



** It's also sort of an [[TakeThatAudience attack on the fans]] who don't understand [[MindScrew what his songs are about]] ("Do we get it? [[AudienceParticipationSong NO!!]]"), but simply want more of it ("Do we want it? [[AudienceParticipationSong YEAH!!!]]"). This even shows in the MotorMouth pre-chorus:

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** It's also sort of an [[TakeThatAudience attack on the fans]] who don't understand [[MindScrew what his songs are about]] ("Do we get it? [[AudienceParticipationSong NO!!]]"), NO!]]"), but simply want more of it ("Do we want it? [[AudienceParticipationSong YEAH!!!]]").YEAH!]]"). This even shows in the MotorMouth pre-chorus:



* ShoutOut: The "Inauguration of the Worm" and "Disintegrator Rising" cycles from ''Antichrist Superstar'' are references to Kenneth Anger's films ''Inauguration of the Pleasuredome'' and ''Lucifer Rising''.

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* ShoutOut: ShoutOut:
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The "Inauguration of the Worm" and "Disintegrator Rising" cycles from ''Antichrist Superstar'' are references to Kenneth Anger's films ''Inauguration of the Pleasuredome'' and ''Lucifer Rising''.



** Rather HateDumb-ishly, the chorus of "(m)OBSCENE" was accused of being too imitative of the chorus of Music/FaithNoMore's "Be Aggressive" [[note]]both were based off a cheerleading routine [[OlderThanTheyThink that predates either song]][[/note]], "The Fight Song" was accused of being a SuspiciouslySimilarSong to [[Music/{{Blur}} "Song 2"]] and "Astonishing Panorama of the Endtimes" is occasionally charged with ripping off Music/{{Ministry}}'s "Burning Inside". [[invoked]]

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** Rather HateDumb-ishly, the chorus of "(m)OBSCENE" "[=mOBSCENE=]" was accused of being too imitative of the chorus of Music/FaithNoMore's "Be Aggressive" [[note]]both were based off a cheerleading routine [[OlderThanTheyThink that predates either song]][[/note]], "The Fight Song" was accused of being a SuspiciouslySimilarSong to [[Music/{{Blur}} "Song 2"]] and "Astonishing Panorama of the Endtimes" is occasionally charged with ripping off Music/{{Ministry}}'s "Burning Inside". [[invoked]]



* {{Troll}}: Manson himself is the biggest troll both to mainstream media and his own fans. "This Is The New Shit" is an attack on his fans, and The Nachtkabarett could be used for a good argument that he never sleeps, because of the hundreds of essays that are needed to decode all the imagery, symbolism, obscure references and other stuff in his music, clothing, pictures, videos, words and more. Were it to be ported to [=TvTropes=], the only thing preventing it from becoming an AllBlueEntry would be the obscurity of everything referenced.

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* {{Troll}}: Manson himself is the biggest troll both to mainstream media and his own fans. "This Is The New Shit" is an attack on his fans, and The Nachtkabarett could be used for a good argument that he never sleeps, because of the hundreds of essays that are needed to decode all the imagery, symbolism, obscure references and other stuff in his music, clothing, pictures, videos, words and more. Were it to be ported to [=TvTropes=], TV Tropes, the only thing preventing it from becoming an AllBlueEntry would be the obscurity of everything referenced.



* [[AutoTune Vocoder]]: Used to terrifying effect in the outro of "Cryptorchid" and the chorus of "Kinderfeld."
* WeUsedToBeFriends: Manson was close friends with [[Music/NineInchNails Trent Reznor,]] who got them on his Nothing Records label, produced their first two albums and generally helped promote them. Then, at some point they had a pretty drastic falling out, and despite a short reconciliation around 1999-2000 (enough for Manson to make a cameo in the "Starfuckers, Inc." video and play a concert together), they pretty quickly went back to not being on such good terms anymore. Trent took a potshot or two at Manson, mocking his "Personal Jesus" cover when responding to a fan's question, and Manson's still angry because the Nothing people lost the master tracks for his first three albums[[note]]This wasn't strictly Trent's fault, as he got involved in a lawsuit with his former manager and gave up the label. Also, Rob Sheridan had to completely re-do the artwork for the ''Pretty Hate Machine'' remaster because Gary Talpas' original was lost by the Nothing staff as well, so they were incompetent on several levels.[[/note]]. The whole feud's died down somewhat since, even if they're not gonna start being friendly again anytime soon.

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* [[AutoTune Vocoder]]: Used to terrifying effect in the outro of "Cryptorchid" and the chorus of "Kinderfeld."
* WeUsedToBeFriends: Manson was close friends with [[Music/NineInchNails Trent Reznor,]] who got them his band on his Nothing Records label, produced their first two albums and generally helped promote them. Then, at some point they had a pretty drastic falling out, and despite a short reconciliation around 1999-2000 (enough for Manson to make a cameo in the "Starfuckers, Inc." video and play a concert together), they pretty quickly went back to not being on such good terms anymore. Trent took a potshot or two at Manson, mocking his "Personal Jesus" cover when responding to a fan's question, and Manson's still angry because the Nothing people lost the master tracks for his first three albums[[note]]This wasn't strictly Trent's fault, as he got involved in a lawsuit with his former manager and gave up the label. Also, Rob Sheridan had to completely re-do the artwork for the ''Pretty Hate Machine'' remaster because Gary Talpas' original was lost by the Nothing staff as well, so they were incompetent on several levels.[[/note]]. The whole feud's died down somewhat since, even if they're not gonna start being friendly again anytime soon.
14th Jun '17 6:46:24 PM stuffedninja
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->''When all of your wishes are granted, many of your dreams will be destroyed''

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->''When all of your wishes are granted, many of your dreams will be destroyed''destroyed.''
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14th Jun '17 6:41:55 PM stuffedninja
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* CutSong: Many from the ''Spooky Kids'' era, though most survived via old cassette tapes and bootlegs. Some are... Well, let's just say Manson has a good reason for trying to forget about them.
14th Jun '17 4:49:25 PM stuffedninja
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* AudienceParticipationSong: "Antichrist Superstar" and "This is the New Shit" are intentionally designed as these.



* {{Bookends}}: Counting the hidden track, the two distorted "when you are suffering, know that I've betrayed you" at the start and end make ''Antichrist Superstar'' a perfect loop of the ''Music/TheWall'' variety.
** ''Holy Wood'' begins and ends with a key in a lock (respectively opening and closing.)

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* {{Bookends}}: Counting the hidden track, the two distorted "when you are suffering, know that I've betrayed you" samples at the start and end make ''Antichrist Superstar'' a perfect loop almost of the ''Music/TheWall'' variety.
** ''Holy Wood'' begins and ends with a key in a lock (respectively opening and closing.)closing).



** During the recording of Antichrist Superstar, the first guitarist and co-founder [[http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2004-04-15/news/manson-family-feud/4/ Daisy Berkowitz]] became the butt of everyone's jokes. Among other things, the other members of the band microwaved his guitar picks and four-track recorder just for shits and giggles. Daisy ended up quitting halfway through the recording of the album and later had to sue Manson for unpaid royalties.
** In life, Marilyn Manson himself. Reading his autobiography is setting yourself up for wanting to give him the biggest hug. Of all time. See also: WithFriendsLikeThese.

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** During the recording of Antichrist Superstar, ''Antichrist Superstar'', the first guitarist and co-founder [[http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2004-04-15/news/manson-family-feud/4/ Daisy Berkowitz]] became the butt of everyone's jokes. Among other things, the other members of the band microwaved his guitar picks and four-track recorder just for shits and giggles. Daisy ended up quitting halfway through the recording of the album and later had to sue Manson for unpaid royalties.
** In life, Marilyn Manson himself. Reading his autobiography is setting yourself up for wanting to give him the biggest hug. Of all time. See also: WithFriendsLikeThese.WeUsedToBeFriends.
13th Jun '17 2:55:51 PM stuffedninja
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* ClusterFBomb: The band's songs generally contain a lot of swearing. The entire ''Eat Me, Drink Me'' album was a notable aversion of this.

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* ClusterFBomb: The band's songs generally contain a lot of swearing. swearing.
** "Irresponsible Hate Anthem" is an especially heinous example, considering "fuck" is one of the only words of the pre-hook.
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The entire ''Eat Me, Drink Me'' album was a notable aversion of this.
16th Apr '17 9:01:07 AM Nick98
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* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Manson is the very epitome of this trope in the music industry. He may be well-known for his dark, villainous persona in his music, but in real life, he is a sensitive, kind-hearted NiceGuy par excellence. Case in point, in the documentary ''Film/BowlingForColumbine'', when interviewed by Creator/MichaelMoore over how his music was allegedly responsible for the massacre, he sadly answers that people should've reached out to the two perpetrators rather than label them as monsters. The real crowner, however, is his answer to Moore's final question he gave him.
--> '''Moore''': If you could go back and speak to those boys before this all happened, what would you say to them?
--> '''Manson''': I wouldn't say anything, I'd just listen to them; That's something that obviously nobody else bothered to do.
25th Feb '17 9:21:11 PM wyattte
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* PassingTheTorch: The height of Manson's infamy was probably around the time of the Columbine shootings, which many right-wing zealots were, let's say, very eager to pin on Marilyn Manson. Music/{{Eminem}}, the ''other'' big shock artist of the time, couldn't help but intervene, with a line in his song "The Way I Am" dismissing the criticism (in true Eminem fashion), which lead to Manson himself appearing in the video and making cameos at Eminem's concerts. In hindsight, this was around the time that Eminem's trailer-park horror fantasies became the new target for protest and controversy, while Marilyn Manson maintained a level of notoriety but never had the same grip on mainstream consciousness in the 2000s.
24th Feb '17 8:25:43 AM HasturHasturHastur
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** During the recording of Antichrist Superstar, the first guitarist and co-founder [[http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2004-04-15/news/manson-family-feud/4/ Daisy Berkowitz]] became the butt of everyone's jokes. Among other things, the other members of the band microwaved his guitar picks and four-track recorder just for shits and giggles. Daisy ended up quitting halfway through the recording of the album.

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** During the recording of Antichrist Superstar, the first guitarist and co-founder [[http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2004-04-15/news/manson-family-feud/4/ Daisy Berkowitz]] became the butt of everyone's jokes. Among other things, the other members of the band microwaved his guitar picks and four-track recorder just for shits and giggles. Daisy ended up quitting halfway through the recording of the album.album and later had to sue Manson for unpaid royalties.



* DarkIsNotEvil: His darkness and use of demonic imagery is just part of his image, his public persona. He really is a pretty nice guy. Unless you're one of his ex-bandmates.

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* DarkIsNotEvil: His darkness and use of demonic imagery is just part of his image, his public persona. He really is a pretty nice guy. Unless you're one of his ex-bandmates.ex-bandmates, ''especially'' if your name is Scott Putesky or Stephen Bier.



* LeadBassist: Gidget Gein and Twiggy Ramirez both got more attention than any of the guitarists. For a time, Twiggy became the guitarist, but now he's back on bass so Tyler Bates can do guitar.

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* LeadBassist: Gidget Gein and Twiggy Ramirez both got more attention than any of the guitarists. For a time, Twiggy became the guitarist, guitarist[[note]]which was actually his original instrument of choice way back when he was in Amboog-a-Lard[[/note]], but now he's back on bass so Tyler Bates can do guitar.



* SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll: The band single-handedly kept America's cocaine industry going through TheNineties. Well, sort of.

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* SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll: The band single-handedly kept America's cocaine industry going through TheNineties. Well, sort of. Brad Stewart probably also kept more than a few heroin dealers afloat until it cost him his life.



** Manson's respective friendships with Daisy Berkowitz and Madonna Wayne Gacy also seem to have gone down in flames quite spectacularly. Then again, lawsuits will do that.

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** Manson's respective friendships with Daisy Berkowitz and Madonna Wayne Gacy also seem to have gone down in flames quite spectacularly. Then again, lawsuits will do that.that (though relations with the latter had gone very far south before he even left, let alone took Manson to court).
23rd Feb '17 8:58:48 AM HasturHasturHastur
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* Marilyn Manson vocals, guitar, tambourine (yes, seriously, latest album has one and the Wiki lists it)
* Twiggy Ramirez - Bass, occasional backing vocals at live shows

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* Marilyn Manson (Brian Warner) vocals, guitar, tambourine (yes, seriously, latest album has one and the Wiki lists it)
* Twiggy Ramirez (Jeordie White) - Bass, occasional backing vocals at live shows



* Ginger Fish - Drums, percussion, piano

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* Ginger Fish (Ken Wilson) - Drums, percussion, piano



* Zsa Zsa Speck - Keyboards
* Olivia Newton Bundy - Bass
* Gidget Gein (deceased) - Bass
* Sara Lee Lucas - Drums, Percussion
* Daisy Berkowitz - Guitars
* Zim Zum - Guitars
* John 5 - Guitars
* Madonna Wayne Gacy - Keyboards

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* Zsa Zsa Speck (Perry Pandrea) - Keyboards
* Olivia Newton Bundy (Brian Tutunick) - Bass
* Gidget Gein (Brad Stewart) (deceased) - Bass
* Sara Lee Lucas (Frederick Streithorst) - Drums, Percussion
* Daisy Berkowitz (Scott Putesky) - Guitars
* Zim Zum (Tim Linton) - Guitars
* John 5 (John Lowery) - Guitars
* Madonna Wayne Gacy (Stephen Bier) - Keyboards



* ''[=Say10=]'' (to be released 2/14/2017)

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* ''[=Say10=]'' (to (was going to be released 2/14/2017)2/14/2017, actual street date TBA)



* AddledAddict: While heavy drug usage was common in their early days, Gidget Gein (aka Brad Roberts) was truly out of control, as his extensive heroin usage made his behavior erratic and unpredictable and led to multiple overdoses, one of which finally got him fired.



* DrugsAreBad: "Coma White" and "I Don't Like The Drugs (But The Drugs Like Me)". In fact, ''Mechanical Animals'' has a lot of anti-drug stuff.

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* DrugsAreBad: "Coma White" and "I Don't Like The Drugs (But The Drugs Like Me)". In fact, ''Mechanical Animals'' has a lot of anti-drug stuff. They also led to Brad Stewart's death; drug usage was rampant among the band at that time, but he was completely out of control, having become increasingly unstable and unreliable in addition to repeatedly overdosing.
19th Feb '17 12:44:16 AM alliedcola
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* BadassBaritone: Manson, which only makes the early rumors that he was really a woman even more perplexing.


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** "Irresponsible Hate Anthem".


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** "Para-Noir" has a scream that lasts approximately ''26 seconds'' from the end of the third chorus.
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