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5th Mar '17 10:29:11 AM redandready45
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** In ''Literature/AsOneStarSetsAnotherRises'', there are potential candidates for when the Third Reich first crossed it. They massacred Jewish civilians in Poznan and Berlin, but if not then, they all but crossed it when they [[spoiler: bombed a German town with a ''radium-laced bomb'', just because the French occupied it, killing and poisoning tens of thousands.
*** [[MoralGuardians Movement for Traditional America]], despite having knowledge about the Holocaust, continued to lobby Congress to stay out of the Holocaust. If that wasn't bad enough, [[spoiler: several members of the MfTA try to start a race riot in Futureville, even killing a police officer]].

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** In ''Literature/AsOneStarSetsAnotherRises'', there are potential candidates for when the Third Reich first crossed it. They massacred Jewish civilians in Poznan and Berlin, but if not then, they all but crossed it when they [[spoiler: bombed a German town with a ''radium-laced bomb'', just because the French occupied it, killing and poisoning tens of thousands.
thousands]].
*** [[MoralGuardians Movement for Traditional America]], despite having knowledge about the Holocaust, continued to lobby Congress to stay out of the Holocaust. If that wasn't bad enough, [[spoiler: several members of the MfTA try to start a race riot in Futureville, Futureville during a bigoted protest, even killing a police officer]].
5th Mar '17 10:28:33 AM redandready45
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* In ''Literature/AsOneStarSetsAnotherRises'', there are potential candidates for when the Third Reich first crossed it. They massacred Jewish civilians in Poznan and Berlin, but if not then, they all but crossed it when they [[spoiler: bombed a German town with a ''radium-laced bomb'', just because the French occupied it, killing and poisoning tens of thousand

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* ** In ''Literature/AsOneStarSetsAnotherRises'', there are potential candidates for when the Third Reich first crossed it. They massacred Jewish civilians in Poznan and Berlin, but if not then, they all but crossed it when they [[spoiler: bombed a German town with a ''radium-laced bomb'', just because the French occupied it, killing and poisoning tens of thousandthousands.
*** [[MoralGuardians Movement for Traditional America]], despite having knowledge about the Holocaust, continued to lobby Congress to stay out of the Holocaust. If that wasn't bad enough, [[spoiler: several members of the MfTA try to start a race riot in Futureville, even killing a police officer]].
17th Feb '17 12:40:32 PM mkmlp
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** [[spoiler: Twilight ''murdering Pinkie Pie'', simply because she annoyed her, before blasting away all her clones and just keeping the last one as her replacement, is either this or CrossesTheLineTwice.]]
** Spitfire abandoning her own daughter for ten years, while telling her husband she was dead, only to bring her back, just to make Rainbow Dash jealous.
** Also, [[spoiler: Rarity murdered '''babies''' to get material for a fashion show.]]
13th Feb '17 2:32:34 PM redandready45
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* In ''Literature/AsOneStarSetsAnotherRises'', there are potential candidates for when the Third Reich first crossed it. They massacred Jewish civilians in Poznan and Berlin, but if not then, they all but crossed it when they [[spoiler: bombed a German town with a ''radium-laced bomb'', just because the French occupied it, killing and poisoning tens of thousand
10th Feb '17 4:57:56 PM colin
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*** In the Conquest of the Commercials where the Critic was glad of on the ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'' of the bus driver is crush many Pokémon monsters at the garbage crusher, but later the bus is turned into a Gameboy causing Critic angered that he edited the scene is [[Main/BadPeopleAbuseAnimals crushing to death at the Pokémon monsters]] and even [[Main/CrossesTheLineTwice insulting the fandom where they crying in the background]]. Later Critic is use to [[Main/RunningGag keep insulting the ''Pokémon'' series throughout the episodes]].
*** During in ''Film/FreddyVsJason'' review where Critic is testing the crossover battle, one of the infamous part is he test [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Ash Ketchum and Pikachu]] battle against [[Franchise/EvilDead Ash Williams]] [[spoiler:but until that Williams chainsaw at Pikachu while Ketchum is protect himself as a shield, later Ketchum is crying of beheaded Pikachu when Critic yelling at Ketchum to "suck it up" and Ash Williams said "Pokémon Go fuck yourself"]].

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*** In the Conquest of the Commercials where the Critic was glad of on the ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'' ''[[VideoGame/{{PokemonRedAndBlue}} Pokémon: Red and Blue]]'' of the bus driver is crush many Pokémon monsters at the garbage crusher, but later the bus is turned into a Gameboy causing Critic angered that he edited the scene is [[Main/BadPeopleAbuseAnimals crushing to death at the Pokémon monsters]] and even [[Main/CrossesTheLineTwice insulting the fandom where they crying in the background]]. Later Critic is use to [[Main/RunningGag keep insulting the ''Pokémon'' series throughout the episodes]].
*** During in ''Film/FreddyVsJason'' review where Critic is testing the crossover battle, one of the infamous part is he test [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Ash Ketchum and Pikachu]] battle against [[Franchise/EvilDead Ash Williams]] [[spoiler:but until that Williams chainsaw at Pikachu while Ketchum is protect himself as a shield, later Ketchum is crying of beheaded Pikachu when Critic yelling at Ketchum to "suck it up" and Ash Williams said "Pokémon Go "[[VideoGame/PokemonGo Pokémon Go]] fuck yourself"]].
27th Jan '17 12:25:33 AM ACW
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*** During in ''Film/FreddyVsJason'' review where Critic is testing the crossover battle, one of the infamous part is he test [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Ash Ketchum and Pikachu]] battle against [[Franchise/EvilDead Ash Williams]] [[spoiler:but until that Williams chainsaw at Pikachu while Ketchum is protect himself as a shield, later Ketchum is crying of beheaded Pikachu when [[Main/CompleteMonster Critic yelling at Ketchum to "suck it up"]] and Ash Williams said "Pokémon Go fuck yourself"]].

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*** During in ''Film/FreddyVsJason'' review where Critic is testing the crossover battle, one of the infamous part is he test [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Ash Ketchum and Pikachu]] battle against [[Franchise/EvilDead Ash Williams]] [[spoiler:but until that Williams chainsaw at Pikachu while Ketchum is protect himself as a shield, later Ketchum is crying of beheaded Pikachu when [[Main/CompleteMonster Critic yelling at Ketchum to "suck it up"]] up" and Ash Williams said "Pokémon Go fuck yourself"]].
22nd Jan '17 2:40:11 AM colin
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**** During in ''Film/FreddyVsJason'' review where Critic is testing the crossover battle, one of the infamous part is he test [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Ash Ketchum and Pikachu]] battle against [[Franchise/EvilDead Ash Williams]] [[spoiler:but until that Williams chainsaw at Pikachu while Ketchum is protect himself as a shield, later Ketchum is crying of beheaded Pikachu when [[Main/CompleteMonster Critic yelling at Ketchum to "suck it up"]] and Ash Williams said "Pokémon Go fuck yourself"]].
2nd Jan '17 6:35:44 PM colin
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* ''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick'':
** Parodied in-universe by Dark Nella Saga. The Chick only realizes Dark Nella is evil when she finds that Minnesota's big ball of twine has been destroyed. Oh no!
** With the Todd storyline, Chick became a concretely psychotic stalker at one of three instances. Either forcing him regularly to be her CaptiveDate, being too happily willing to rape him, or preying on his money insecurities to make him do a review with her; take your pick.

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* ''Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses'':
** ''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic'':
*** In the Conquest of the Commercials where the Critic was glad of on the ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'' of the bus driver is crush many Pokémon monsters at the garbage crusher, but later the bus is turned into a Gameboy causing Critic angered that he edited the scene is [[Main/BadPeopleAbuseAnimals crushing to death at the Pokémon monsters]] and even [[Main/CrossesTheLineTwice insulting the fandom where they crying in the background]]. Later Critic is use to [[Main/RunningGag keep insulting the ''Pokémon'' series throughout the episodes]].
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''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick'':
** *** Parodied in-universe by Dark Nella Saga. The Chick only realizes Dark Nella is evil when she finds that Minnesota's big ball of twine has been destroyed. Oh no!
** *** With the Todd storyline, Chick became a concretely psychotic stalker at one of three instances. Either forcing him regularly to be her CaptiveDate, being too happily willing to rape him, or preying on his money insecurities to make him do a review with her; take your pick.
30th Dec '16 9:22:28 AM StFan
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* ''WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall'': Mechakara firmly crossed it when he [[spoiler: tried to [[DrivenToSuicide drive Linkara to suicide]] (and it was ''not'' PlayedForLaughs), by making him think he was [[AbusiveParents the father]] of the girl who was turned into his magic gun.]]

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* ''WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall'': ''Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom'' has several examples:
** In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
** In ''Literature/TheAngloAmericanNaziWar'', [[spoiler:Acting Fuhrer Himmler]] crosses this when he issues Order 571, which has German forces destroy several culturally-significant cities, thousands of years of irreplaceable history, [[IfICantHaveYou in preference to allowing the Allies to have them]]. [[spoiler:This includes a thorough destruction of Paris, ''which is televised to Britain'']]. [[EvilIsPetty Modern historians in this universe compare the Nazis' actions to a jealous, bitter ex-spouse squirreling away some assets and then ruining everything they can get their fingers on]].
** In ''[[spoiler: Rumsfeldia]]:Fear and Loathing in the Decade of Tears'', the sequel to ''Literature/FearLoathingAndGumboOnTheCampaignTrailSeventyTwo'', it is hard to know when [[spoiler: [[PresidentEvil Donald Rumsfeld]]]] sails over the line, but there are some things: killing[=/=]disappearing political opponents, [[spoiler: using voting fraud to win the 1984 election]], ripping all forms of worker's rights and environmental regulation, giving military aid to [[AmoralAfrikaner Magnus Malan]]. [[spoiler: But the worst moment is when Liberty Legions are ordered to kill wounded soldiers so as to not pay for their welfare]].
** ''Literature/AWorldOfLaughterAWorldOfTears'': [[InUniverse In the eyes of the African American community]] is when [[spoiler: white racists brutally murder Ernest Green of the Little Rock Nine]]. After that, the nonviolent Civil Rights Movement collapses, and black Americans start engaging in terrorism. [[spoiler: Another line is when the Florida police commit a massacre against the black community in Tampa. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even the Soviet Union thought the Florida State Government should be prosecuted for war crimes]]]].
** ''Literature/TwilightOfTheRedTsar'': Joseph Stalin was already over the line, OTL. But he goes even further than OTL when he begins his own Holocaust of the Soviet Jews, which later expands into a Baltic Holocaust. [[spoiler: And then he completely obliterates the People's Republic of China in war, unleashing biological weapons and nuclear bombs]].
** ''WebOriginal/ZhirinovskysRussianEmpire'': Vladimir Zhirinosvky and the UIS jump around horizon several times, with genocide, political repression, and international thuggery. But [[InUniverse the specific moment]] when the world community realized how insane Mad Vlad was when he sent a letter to Helmut Kohl, proposing a ''joint Nazi-style invasion of Poland'', followed by locking Poles in concentration camps, and later organizing attacks on the German, Israeli and Polish embassies.
* ''WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall'':
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Mechakara firmly crossed it when he [[spoiler: tried to [[DrivenToSuicide drive Linkara to suicide]] (and it was ''not'' PlayedForLaughs), by making him think he was [[AbusiveParents the father]] of the girl who was turned into his magic gun.]]



--> '''NIMUE:''' ''You are'' '''''evil''''' ''[[spoiler: Vyce]]. You are cruel and unjust.''
* [[WebOriginal/BadCreepyPasta BAD CREEPYPASTA:]]

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--> '''NIMUE:''' --->'''NIMUE:''' ''You are'' '''''evil''''' ''[[spoiler: Vyce]]. You are cruel and unjust.''
* [[WebOriginal/BadCreepyPasta BAD CREEPYPASTA:]]''WebVideo/BadCreepyPasta''



* WebVideo/BennettTheSage goes into discussion about this in his ''[[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion End of Evangelion]]'' review, in regards to the opening minutes. He discusses how it can make an effective AntiHero, but in Shinji's case it was just...well let's have Shinji describe it.
-->I'm so fucked up.

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* WebVideo/BennettTheSage goes into discussion about this in his ''[[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion End of Evangelion]]'' review, in regards to the opening minutes. He discusses how it can make an effective AntiHero, but in Shinji's case it was just... well let's have Shinji describe it.
-->I'm -->'''Shinji:''' I'm so fucked up.up.
* ''Roleplay/DinoAttackRPG'':
** In an interesting case, Rotor somehow crossed his moral event horizon and actually managed to return. Exactly when it happened is debatable, whether it was his KangarooCourt or later the fact that he [[TortureAlwaysWorks tortured a child]] via NoHoldsBarredBeatdown. Either way they both seemed to show that he was irredeemable... at least until he got his act together during the final battle.
** Michelle Glados's intentions to kill everyone ForScience.
** The team is fighting for their lives in a FinalBattle, and [[DirtyCoward Snake deserts them to save his own skin]]. That's bad enough, but then he actually ''pauses'' in the middle of his escape, sees a Dino Attack agent who was already badly wounded, ''kicks the agent while he's down'' because that agent ''[[ProtagonistCenteredMorality supposedly]]'' stole stuff from him [[NoodleIncident in the past]], and then leaves said agent to die alone in the streets of a Mutant Dino-infested city. WhatTheHellHero



* The most despicable character in ''WebAnimation/GothamGirls'', a web-exclusive tie-in to the {{DCAU}}, is surprisingly not any of the supervillains but rather [[TyrantTakesTheHelm Acting Commissioner Greenway]]. Throughout the series she commits numerous violations of police ethics, notably trying to kill criminals from the get-go instead of attempting to arrest them first, but the point at which we realize how twisted she is is when, after Commissioner Gordon returns and she has to step down, she takes out her rage by ordering Catwoman, Harley, and Ivy beaten to death in prison. Thankfully, they escape.
* ''WebVideo/TheIrateGamer'' [[DesignatedHero himself]] murdering Kool-Aid Man for doing what he does on Christmas.

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* ''WebVideo/TheIrateGamer'':
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The most despicable character in ''WebAnimation/GothamGirls'', a web-exclusive tie-in to the {{DCAU}}, is surprisingly not any of the supervillains but rather [[TyrantTakesTheHelm Acting Commissioner Greenway]]. Throughout the series she commits numerous violations of police ethics, notably trying to kill criminals from the get-go instead of attempting to arrest them first, but the point at which we realize how twisted she is is when, after Commissioner Gordon returns and she has to step down, she takes out her rage by ordering Catwoman, Harley, and Ivy beaten to death in prison. Thankfully, they escape.
* ''WebVideo/TheIrateGamer''
Gamer [[DesignatedHero himself]] murdering Kool-Aid Man for doing what he does on Christmas.



-->'''[[http://irategamersucks.blogspot.com/2013/05/my-sensors-indicate-massive-amounts-of.html BatDanNight]]:''' Holy shit! That was needlessly cruel! I know the character was annoying and I even predicted he would die (red shirt) but I didn't expect it to be that awful! I thought it would be a Gorn or a Klingon or something. [[WhatTheHellHero You're the hero! You’re not supposed to do this!]]
* LlamasWithHats: Carl crosses it in the very first video where it's revealed that he brutally stabbed someone to death and ate their hands, [[SerialEscalation which is nothing compared to what he does in the later videos]].
* Alex in ''WebVideo/MarbleHornets'' was always a bit unhinged. Breaking Tim's leg, refusing to tell Jay anything, lying to everyone he knows. But the line was crossed in Entry #49 when [[spoiler: he murdered an innocent man just checking to see if he's okay, believing it was Jay following him. He then has The Operator dispose of the body.]] No hope now.
** Entry #51 reveals [[spoiler: he's been doing it for years, even back when he was making the original Marble Hornets movie.]]
*** Even then, [[spoiler: Alex's motivation was questionable, due to the possibility of The Operator [[BrainwashedAndCrazy being around his entire childhood.]]]] However, [[spoiler: Hoodie/[[TheReveal ToTheArk]] really went JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope in Entry #61, where he sabotages Tim's medication and causes him to revert back into Masky.]] Damn.
* [[WebVideo/TheMusicVideoShow The Music Video Show]] has the host being told he [[spoiler:killed his parents.]] in the last episodes of season 2. The screams heard in the last episode of season 1 MAY be the sounds of [[spoiler:his parents screaming while they're being killed]] as opposed to people screaming because it 's the end of the world.
* Parodied in-universe by WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick's Dark Nella Saga. The Chick only realizes Dark Nella is evil when she finds that Minnesota's big ball of twine has been destroyed. Oh no!

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-->'''[[http://irategamersucks.--->'''[[http://irategamersucks.blogspot.com/2013/05/my-sensors-indicate-massive-amounts-of.html BatDanNight]]:''' Holy shit! That was needlessly cruel! I know the character was annoying and I even predicted he would die (red shirt) but I didn't expect it to be that awful! I thought it would be a Gorn or a Klingon or something. [[WhatTheHellHero You're the hero! You’re not supposed to do this!]]
* LlamasWithHats: Carl ''WebOriginal/JeffTheKiller'':
** Jeff crosses the point of no return by killing his entire family.
** The TerribleTrio responsible for his StartOfDarkness, Randy, Keith, and Troy,
crosses it in by attacking Jeff at a party and threatening to shoot the very first video where it's revealed that he brutally stabbed someone party goers if they try to death and ate their hands, [[SerialEscalation which is nothing compared to what he does in the later videos]].
stop them from killing Jeff.
* Alex in ''WebVideo/MarbleHornets'' was always a bit unhinged. Breaking Tim's leg, refusing to tell Jay anything, lying to everyone he knows. But the line was crossed in Entry #49 when [[spoiler: he murdered an innocent man just checking to see if he's okay, believing it was Jay following him. He then has The Operator dispose of the body.]] No hope now.
**
now. Entry #51 reveals [[spoiler: he's been doing it for years, even back when he was making the original Marble Hornets movie.]]
***
]] Even then, [[spoiler: Alex's motivation was questionable, due to the possibility of The Operator [[BrainwashedAndCrazy being around his entire childhood.]]]] However, [[spoiler: Hoodie/[[TheReveal ToTheArk]] really went JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope in Entry #61, where he sabotages Tim's medication and causes him to revert back into Masky.]] Damn.
* [[WebVideo/TheMusicVideoShow The Music Video Show]] ''WebVideo/TheMusicVideoShow'' has the host being told he [[spoiler:killed his parents.]] in the last episodes of season 2. The screams heard in the last episode of season 1 MAY be the sounds of [[spoiler:his parents screaming while they're being killed]] as opposed to people screaming because it 's the end of the world.
* In the ''Roleplay/NewDawnAcademy''-verse, there are truly many depraved villains, but none of them cross the line like these loons:
** Grahf Mordes, sacrificing his family for power. What really sealed it was his reaction to their screams and cries of "Why?" ''He merely laughed''.
** Qord was pretty insane before, but what made it really, really clear he was utterly morally repugnant was his teleporting in a young police officer just out of academy and telling an assembly of young magic users to torture the officer to death as they see fit, when he is viewed by the magic users as a teacher. What sealed the deal in this case is when the cop, in a nod to ''Film/ReservoirDogs'', says he has a family waiting for him at home, Qord tells him that makes it all the better. Even the other Esoterica Higher Ups were sickened. Yes, even [[GeneralRipper Zenobia]].
* ''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick'':
**
Parodied in-universe by WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick's Dark Nella Saga. The Chick only realizes Dark Nella is evil when she finds that Minnesota's big ball of twine has been destroyed. Oh no!



* In ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'', the default characterization is UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist, so it's a little hard to pinpoint any particularly heinous events. Still, a few characters have gotten these, especially since CerebusSyndrome has set in:
** Wyoming was AffablyEvil all along, but for some viewers he seems to have crossed the line beyond any sympathy when he [[spoiler:killed York]]. That was in a mini-series, though, so not everyone's familiar with the event.
** Tex came very close to crossing the horizon when she proved willing to [[spoiler:kidnap Tucker's son Junior and use him to sabotage the aliens' religion, ending the war by genociding the other race]]. She didn't slip over only because the plan, much like her ship, barely got off the ground, and the goal now seems firmly out of reach. [[spoiler:She's also been dead now for longer than she's ever been before, which seems to mitigate the effect somewhat.]]
** Agent South Dakota had already shot one partner in the back, and tried to sacrifice the AI Delta, both to save her own skin. But when Delta then revealed that [[spoiler:she had done the same thing to her [[HalfIdenticalTwins twin brother]]]], she went from 'bitch' to 'irredeemable bitch'. And the reason for that last incident? [[spoiler:[[CainAndAbel He got an AI, and she didn't.]]]]
** And finally (notice these are all Freelancers?), if Agent Washington actually did [[spoiler:kill Donut]] at the end of ''Recreation'', that will almost certainly be his own moral event horizon. [[spoiler: [[WordofGod No]], [[FakingTheDead he]] [[{{Retcon}} didn't.]]]]
** With Season 10 rolling out, Sigma, Maine's AI seems to have gone down this path. He, along with Gamma, coerce Carolina to taking two AI's so she could beat [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter Texas]], he manipulates Maine into becoming the Meta, and is, in essence, responsible for Project Freelancer's infighting and eventual implosion.
** The Director of Project Freelancer, with 'support' from Omega & Gamma, can be said to have crossed it when it's revealed they [[spoiler:horrifically tortured the A.I. 'Alpha' - known today as Church (!) - to the point where the thoroughly-broken Alpha actually started ''shearing parts of himself off'' in a vain attempt at self-preservation, all so they could harvest those parts and make them into [=AIs=] for the Freelancer agents. It's even acknowledged as an MEH-crossing in-universe, as the Chairman later says that they'll be rewriting entire sections of the moral & ethical codes for dealing with [=AIs=] as a result of what the Director did]].
** Come Season 12, and [[spoiler:''[[EvilAllAlong Felix]]'', of all people, gets one. After ordering Tucker to throw him a grenade meant for [[ConsummateProfessional Locus]], Felix tells the Reds and Blues that he and Locus are [[TeethClenchedTeamwork still working together]] and were hired, not by their respective factions in the planetary civil war, but by an unknown third party. Not only that, they're not trying to end the war, they're trying to ''prolong'' it so they can ''[[KillEmAll kill every single person on the planet]]''.]]
** The Season 12 finale ultimately gives this to "[[spoiler:Control]]", the mysterious employer of Locus [[spoiler:and Felix]]. While their plans were already morally reprehensible, The Reveal that [[spoiler:his identity is Malcolm Hargrove, aka the Chairman]], makes this worse [[spoiler:when you take his prior actions into account]].
* The [[NoNameGiven mysterious]] [[EvilSorcerer mage]] of ''TheQuestportChronicles'' jumps straight across when he [[spoiler:destroys Questport]]. To make matters worse, the heroes still aren't sure ''why'' he did it.
* ''The Wiki/SCPFoundation:'' "[[http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-590 SCP-590]] is not to be named as anything other then Five Ninety. He is a tool to be used, not someone's friend, sibling, or child. Anyone found forming attachments to an SCP will be removed to a less people-intensive duty." A teenage boy who has the power to heal any human ailment by touching someone and taking the ailment to himself. The way the Foundation took advantage of this is infecting him with mental retardation to keep him pliable. Where they ''really'' cross the MoralEventHorizon is that [[spoiler:the person who suggested it, Dr. Bright, is ''his older brother.'']]

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* In ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'', the default characterization is UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist, so it's a little hard to pinpoint any particularly heinous events. Still, a few characters have gotten these, especially since CerebusSyndrome has set in:
** Wyoming was AffablyEvil all along, but for some viewers he seems to have crossed the line beyond any sympathy when he [[spoiler:killed York]]. That was in a mini-series, though, so not everyone's familiar with the event.
** Tex came very close to crossing the horizon when she proved willing to [[spoiler:kidnap Tucker's son Junior and use him to sabotage the aliens' religion, ending the war by genociding the other race]]. She didn't slip over only because the plan, much like her ship, barely got off the ground, and the goal now seems firmly out of reach. [[spoiler:She's also been dead now for longer than she's ever been before, which seems to mitigate the effect somewhat.]]
** Agent South Dakota had already shot one partner in the back, and tried to sacrifice the AI Delta, both to save her own skin. But when Delta then revealed that [[spoiler:she had done the same thing to her [[HalfIdenticalTwins twin brother]]]], she went from 'bitch' to 'irredeemable bitch'. And the reason for that last incident? [[spoiler:[[CainAndAbel He got an AI, and she didn't.]]]]
** And finally (notice these are all Freelancers?), if Agent Washington actually did [[spoiler:kill Donut]] at the end of ''Recreation'', that will almost certainly be his own moral event horizon. [[spoiler: [[WordofGod No]], [[FakingTheDead he]] [[{{Retcon}} didn't.]]]]
** With Season 10 rolling out, Sigma, Maine's AI seems to have gone down this path. He, along with Gamma, coerce Carolina to taking two AI's so she could beat [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter Texas]], he manipulates Maine into becoming the Meta, and is, in essence, responsible for Project Freelancer's infighting and eventual implosion.
** The Director of Project Freelancer, with 'support' from Omega & Gamma, can be said to have crossed it when it's revealed they [[spoiler:horrifically tortured the A.I. 'Alpha' - known today as Church (!) - to the point where the thoroughly-broken Alpha actually started ''shearing parts of himself off'' in a vain attempt at self-preservation, all so they could harvest those parts and make them into [=AIs=] for the Freelancer agents. It's even acknowledged as an MEH-crossing in-universe, as the Chairman later says that they'll be rewriting entire sections of the moral & ethical codes for dealing with [=AIs=] as a result of what the Director did]].
** Come Season 12, and [[spoiler:''[[EvilAllAlong Felix]]'', of all people, gets one. After ordering Tucker to throw him a grenade meant for [[ConsummateProfessional Locus]], Felix tells the Reds and Blues that he and Locus are [[TeethClenchedTeamwork still working together]] and were hired, not by their respective factions in the planetary civil war, but by an unknown third party. Not only that, they're not trying to end the war, they're trying to ''prolong'' it so they can ''[[KillEmAll kill every single person on the planet]]''.]]
** The Season 12 finale ultimately gives this to "[[spoiler:Control]]", the mysterious employer of Locus [[spoiler:and Felix]]. While their plans were already morally reprehensible, The Reveal that [[spoiler:his identity is Malcolm Hargrove, aka the Chairman]], makes this worse [[spoiler:when you take his prior actions into account]].
* The [[NoNameGiven mysterious]] [[EvilSorcerer mage]] of ''TheQuestportChronicles'' ''Literature/TheQuestportChronicles'' jumps straight across when he [[spoiler:destroys Questport]]. To make matters worse, the heroes still aren't sure ''why'' he did it.
* ''The Wiki/SCPFoundation:'' ''Wiki/SCPFoundation'':
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"[[http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-590 SCP-590]] is not to be named as anything other then Five Ninety. He is a tool to be used, not someone's friend, sibling, or child. Anyone found forming attachments to an SCP will be removed to a less people-intensive duty." A teenage boy who has the power to heal any human ailment by touching someone and taking the ailment to himself. The way the Foundation took advantage of this is infecting him with mental retardation to keep him pliable. Where they ''really'' cross the MoralEventHorizon is that [[spoiler:the person who suggested it, Dr. Bright, is ''his older brother.'']]



* Various villains in ''SurvivalOfTheFittest'' cross this line at some point:

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* Various villains in ''SurvivalOfTheFittest'' ''Roleplay/SurvivalOfTheFittest'' cross this line at some point:



* Mecha Sonic (renamed Metallix in the reboot) from ''WebAnimation/SuperMarioBrosZ'' crashes the Death Egg into Mobius, murders Tails, Amy, Rogue, Omega, Knuckles, Cream, and Cheese simply to fulfill his bloodlust, and turns the planet into a burning wasteland. And this was after he was just created once he merged with several other Metal Sonics. He finds more lines to cross afterwards.
* Of all people, ''Princess Zelda'' crossed this in ''ThereWillBeBrawl'' when she [[spoiler: stabbed Link in the back just as he was making a HeelFaceTurn, then in the next episode revealed that she had been working with Gannondorf the whole time. Not even attempting to [[TakingTheBullet take the bullet]] for Link redeemed her, really.]]
** Wario. [[spoiler: He orchestrated a Pikmin Bomb to take out Red (the only indisputably ''good'' character in the series, got his mentally challenged brother to deliver the bomb, and then tried to pay Red's girlfriend off with money (and that was a lie; he had planned to kill her too).]]

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* Mecha Sonic (renamed Metallix in the reboot) from ''WebAnimation/SuperMarioBrosZ'' crashes the Death Egg into Mobius, murders Tails, Amy, Rogue, Omega, Knuckles, Cream, and Cheese simply to fulfill his bloodlust, and turns the planet into a burning wasteland. And this was after he was just created once he merged with several other Metal Sonics. He finds more lines to cross afterwards.
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''WebVideo/ThereWillBeBrawl'':
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Of all people, ''Princess Zelda'' crossed this in ''ThereWillBeBrawl'' when she [[spoiler: stabbed Link in the back just as he was making a HeelFaceTurn, then in the next episode revealed that she had been working with Gannondorf the whole time. Not even attempting to [[TakingTheBullet take the bullet]] for Link redeemed her, really.]]
** Wario. [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He orchestrated a Pikmin Bomb to take out Red (the only indisputably ''good'' character in the series, got his mentally challenged brother to deliver the bomb, and then tried to pay Red's girlfriend off with money (and that was a lie; he had planned to kill her too).]]



* Throughout WebVideo/ToBoldlyFlee, the Executor was a sleazy, manipulative, creepy BadBoss and MagnificentBastard, but he was hammy. But then he tortured a helpless Luke (one of the youngest members of the site) with his electricity powers and you wanted him to die painfully. [[spoiler: Thankfully he did]].
* In Roleplay/WeAreOurAvatars, [[Series/PowerRangersLightspeedRescue Carter]]/[[GenderBender Catherine]] doesn't just cross this after becoming a Team Rocket member, s/he leaps directly over it, starts running, and never looks back. This eventually leads to his getting kicked off the team and re-defecting to the rest of the group.

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* Throughout WebVideo/ToBoldlyFlee, ''WebVideo/ToBoldlyFlee'', the Executor was is a sleazy, manipulative, creepy BadBoss and MagnificentBastard, but he was is hammy. But then he tortured tortures a helpless Luke (one of the youngest members of the site) with his electricity powers and you wanted wants him to die painfully. [[spoiler: Thankfully [[spoiler:Thankfully he did]].
does]].
* In Roleplay/WeAreOurAvatars, ''Roleplay/WeAreOurAvatars'':
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[[Series/PowerRangersLightspeedRescue Carter]]/[[GenderBender Catherine]] doesn't just cross this after becoming a Team Rocket member, s/he leaps directly over it, starts running, and never looks back. This eventually leads to his getting kicked off the team and re-defecting to the rest of the group.



* Madgie telling her sister she should [[http://akaichounokoe.deviantart.com/art/Maybe-I-will-380946348 go kill herself]]
* JeffTheKiller crossed the point of no return by killing his entire family.
** The TerribleTrio responsible for his StartOfDarkness, Randy, Keith, and Troy, crossed it by attacking Jeff at a party and threatening to shoot the party goers if they tried to stop them from killing Jeff.

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* Madgie telling her sister she should [[http://akaichounokoe.deviantart.com/art/Maybe-I-will-380946348 go kill herself]]
* JeffTheKiller
''Literature/WhateleyUniverse'':
** MadScientist Emil Hammond quickly demonstrates that despite his claims that he works ForScience, his real motivation is sadism. For that matter, the Goodkind family pretty much
crossed their MEH right at the point of no return start, by killing his entire family.
handing Trevor over to Hammond to be experimented on in the first place.
** The TerribleTrio responsible for his StartOfDarkness, Randy, Keith, Don Sebastiano and Troy, Hekate had already crossed it by attacking Jeff at a party and threatening to shoot their MoralEventHorizon before the party goers if series even began, when they mentally enslaved Cavalier and Skybolt and used the mystery about why the two former would-be heroes were suddenly sycophants of such obvious villains to terrify their opponents and push their way to the top of the school's social pecking order. Just how deep they had gone is only fully revealed when Hekate tried to stop them from trap Fey in the same manner. [[spoiler: Hekate, in particular, was found to have practiced HumanSacrifice on several occasions, killing Jeff.children to offer their souls to demons. Don Sebastiano, meanwhile, gleefully [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil used both Skybolt and Cavalier as sex toys]] and punching bags [[ForTheEvulz whenever it amused him]] to do so.]]



* ''Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom'' has several examples:
** In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
** In ''Literature/TheAngloAmericanNaziWar'', [[spoiler:Acting Fuhrer Himmler]] crosses this when he issues Order 571, which has German forces destroy several culturally-significant cities, thousands of years of irreplaceable history, [[IfICantHaveYou in preference to allowing the Allies to have them]]. [[spoiler:This includes a thorough destruction of Paris, ''which is televised to Britain'']]. [[EvilIsPetty Modern historians in this universe compare the Nazis' actions to a jealous, bitter ex-spouse squirreling away some assets and then ruining everything they can get their fingers on]].
** In ''[[spoiler: Rumsfeldia]]:Fear and Loathing in the Decade of Tears'', the sequel to ''Literature/FearLoathingAndGumboOnTheCampaignTrailSeventyTwo'', it is hard to know when [[spoiler: [[PresidentEvil Donald Rumsfeld]]]] sails over the line, but there are some things: killing[=/=]disappearing political opponents, [[spoiler: using voting fraud to win the 1984 election]], ripping all forms of worker's rights and environmental regulation, giving military aid to [[AmoralAfrikaner Magnus Malan]]. [[spoiler: But the worst moment is when Liberty Legions are ordered to kill wounded soldiers so as to not pay for their welfare]].
** ''Literature/AWorldOfLaughterAWorldOfTears'': [[InUniverse In the eyes of the African American community]] is when [[spoiler: white racists brutally murder Ernest Green of the Little Rock Nine]]. After that, the nonviolent Civil Rights Movement collapses, and black Americans start engaging in terrorism. [[spoiler: Another line is when the Florida police commit a massacre against the black community in Tampa. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even the Soviet Union thought the Florida State Government should be prosecuted for war crimes]]]].
** ''Literature/TwilightOfTheRedTsar'': Joseph Stalin was already over the line, OTL. But he goes even further than OTL when he begins his own Holocaust of the Soviet Jews, which later expands into a Baltic Holocaust. [[spoiler: And then he completely obliterates the People's Republic of China in war, unleashing biological weapons and nuclear bombs]].
** ''WebOriginal/ZhirinovskysRussianEmpire'': Vladimir Zhirinosvky and the UIS jump around horizon several times, with genocide, political repression, and international thuggery. But [[InUniverse the specific moment]] when the world community realized how insane Mad Vlad was when he sent a letter to Helmut Kohl, proposing a ''joint Nazi-style invasion of Poland'', followed by locking Poles in concentration camps, and later organizing attacks on the German, Israeli and Polish embassies.
* ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse'': MadScientist Emil Hammond quickly demonstrates that despite his claims that he works ForScience, his real motivation is sadism. For that matter, the Goodkind family pretty much crossed their MEH right at the start, by handing Trevor over to Hammond to be experimented on in the first place.
** Don Sebastiano and Hekate had already crossed their MoralEventHorizon before the series even began, when they mentally enslaved Cavalier and Skybolt and used the mystery about why the two former would-be heroes were suddenly sycophants of such obvious villains to terrify their opponents and push their way to the top of the school's social pecking order. Just how deep they had gone is only fully revealed when Hekate tried to trap Fey in the same manner. [[spoiler: Hekate, in particular, was found to have practiced HumanSacrifice on several occasions, killing children to offer their souls to demons. Don Sebastiano, meanwhile, gleefully [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil used both Skybolt and Cavalier as sex toys]] and punching bags [[ForTheEvulz whenever it amused him]] to do so.]]


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** In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
** In ''Literature/TheAngloAmericanNaziWar'', [[spoiler:Acting Fuhrer Himmler]] crosses this when he issues Order 571, which has German forces destroy several culturally-significant cities, thousands of years of irreplaceable history, [[IfICantHaveYou in preference to allowing the Allies to have them]]. [[spoiler:This includes a thorough destruction of Paris, ''which is televised to Britain'']]. [[EvilIsPetty Modern historians in this universe compare the Nazis' actions to a jealous, bitter ex-spouse squirreling away some assets and then ruining everything they can get their fingers on]].
** In ''[[spoiler: Rumsfeldia]]:Fear and Loathing
been alphabetized. Please add your example in the Decade of Tears'', the sequel to ''Literature/FearLoathingAndGumboOnTheCampaignTrailSeventyTwo'', it is hard to know when [[spoiler: [[PresidentEvil Donald Rumsfeld]]]] sails over the line, but there are some things: killing[=/=]disappearing political opponents, [[spoiler: using voting fraud to win the 1984 election]], ripping all forms of worker's rights and environmental regulation, giving military aid to [[AmoralAfrikaner Magnus Malan]]. [[spoiler: But the worst moment is when Liberty Legions are ordered to kill wounded soldiers so as to not pay for their welfare]].
** ''Literature/AWorldOfLaughterAWorldOfTears'': [[InUniverse In the eyes of the African American community]] is when [[spoiler: white racists brutally murder Ernest Green of the Little Rock Nine]]. After that, the nonviolent Civil Rights Movement collapses, and black Americans start engaging in terrorism. [[spoiler: Another line is when the Florida police commit a massacre against the black community in Tampa. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even the Soviet Union thought the Florida State Government should be prosecuted for war crimes]]]].
** ''Literature/TwilightOfTheRedTsar'': Joseph Stalin was already over the line, OTL. But he goes even further than OTL when he begins his own Holocaust of the Soviet Jews, which later expands into a Baltic Holocaust. [[spoiler: And then he completely obliterates the People's Republic of China in war, unleashing biological weapons and nuclear bombs]].
** ''WebOriginal/ZhirinovskysRussianEmpire'': Vladimir Zhirinosvky and the UIS jump around horizon several times, with genocide, political repression, and international thuggery. But [[InUniverse the specific moment]] when the world community realized how insane Mad Vlad was when he sent a letter to Helmut Kohl, proposing a ''joint Nazi-style invasion of Poland'', followed by locking Poles in concentration camps, and later organizing attacks on the German, Israeli and Polish embassies.
* ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse'': MadScientist Emil Hammond quickly demonstrates that despite his claims that he works ForScience, his real motivation is sadism. For that matter, the Goodkind family pretty much crossed their MEH right at the start, by handing Trevor over to Hammond to be experimented on in the first place.
** Don Sebastiano and Hekate had already crossed their MoralEventHorizon before the series even began, when they mentally enslaved Cavalier and Skybolt and used the mystery about why the two former would-be heroes were suddenly sycophants of such obvious villains to terrify their opponents and push their way to the top of the school's social pecking order. Just how deep they had gone is only fully revealed when Hekate tried to trap Fey in the same manner. [[spoiler: Hekate, in particular, was found to have practiced HumanSacrifice on several occasions, killing children to offer their souls to demons. Don Sebastiano, meanwhile, gleefully [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil used both Skybolt and Cavalier as sex toys]] and punching bags [[ForTheEvulz whenever it amused him]] to do so.]]


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* LlamasWithHats: Carl crosses it in the very first video where it's revealed that he brutally stabbed someone to death and ate their hands, [[SerialEscalation which is nothing compared to what he does in the later videos]].
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