History MisaimedFandom / AnimeAndManga

* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}''

*** Gary Oak, the SmallNameBigEgo rival in the original series, gets this almost as much as Paul does. Yes, Gary was two steps ahead of Ash for most of the season, but was also an unapolegetic [[TheBully bully]] meant to be rooted against, and [[BreakTheHaughty he suffered crucial failures as well]]. Adding salt to the wound, Ash succeeded in some of the scenarios where Gary failed. In the Indigo League, Gary lost in the preliminaries that Ash got through. Gary got owned by Giovanni's Mewtwo, whereas Ash encountered Mewtwo twice and actually earned its respect both times. (True, it wasn't by physical prowess that Ash accomplished this, but it's a lot further than Gary ever got.) Gary even lost to Ash '''himself''' during the Johto League. Gary has only beaten Ash twice in a Pokemon battle: an informal one-on-one between Ash's Pikachu and Gary's Eevee, and another between Pikachu and Gary's Electivire, the latter of which was long after they'd ended their rivalry. And yet, to some fans, he's still "[[MemeticMutation Gary Motherfuckin' Oak]]" who could beat anyone at any time, and could do no wrong.

* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}''

*** Paul, the Sinnoh rival, gets this quite a bit. People still cheered for Paul when he ''abused his Pokemon'' in order to make them stronger. This is because Paul's methods are quite similar to the methods the competitive video game players use to obtain their Pokémon, making him an instant foil to Ash's [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship-and-love]] approach and a TakeThat to those players. Instead, Paul became an AudienceSurrogate for some of these players and an anchor point to the normally unwatchable-for-them anime.
*** Gary Oak, the SmallNameBigEgo rival in the original series, gets this almost as much as Paul does. Yes, Gary was two steps ahead of Ash for most of the season, but [[BreakTheHaughty he also suffered crucial failures as well]]. Adding salt to the wound, Ash succeeded in some of the scenarios where Gary failed. In the Indigo League, Gary lost in the preliminaries that Ash got through. Gary got owned by Giovanni's Mewtwo, whereas Ash encountered Mewtwo twice and won both times. (True, it wasn't by physical prowess that Ash won these encounters, but it's a lot further than Gary ever got.) Gary even lost to Ash '''himself''' during the Johto Tournament. Gary has only beaten Ash once in a Pokemon battle: an informal one-on-one between Ash's Pikachu and Gary's Eevee. And yet, to some fans, he's still "[[MemeticMutation Gary Motherfuckin' Oak]]" who could beat anyone at any time, and could do no wrong.
** In a cross-media example, there's the Ash vs. Red debate. Yes, the side for Red brings up some good points... But they completely ignore Ash's accomplishments and qualities while playing up Red's.

* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'': Those who ship Levi/Eren out of the belief that Levi is genuinely a BastardBoyfriend who kicked Eren at the court trial out of [[ForTheEvulz sadism]], even though Levi reveals it was an act and apologizes in the very next scene. To say nothing of the really uncomfortable implications of such a relationship.

* Fans of ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' seem to be obsessed with Ruki, from the ''[[Anime/DigimonTamers Tamers]]'' season, even coming to claim her to be better than those "[[RealWomenDontWearDresses lame girly girls]]" like Sora and Mimi just because she's rude and unemotional at the start of the series. People often accuse the latter part of Tamers of being sexist for having Ruki turn into a soft and caring person...Despite the anime strongly suggesting that that was her TRUE form all along, and that her "Ice Queen" persona she was at the start was just a mask she used to hide her insecurities with.

** For a non-human example, we have PowerLevels. Fans love using them to compare fighters to see who would win, and are perpetually trying to figure out Power Levels for characters introduced after the concept was abandoned. In reality, Toriyama was ''mocking'' the idea of Power Levels, showing that fighting ability isn't something one can quantify with numbers.

* The ''Manga/WanderingSon'' fandom can be this at times. A lot of the fandom seems to be under the impression that either, or both, of the protagonists [[TransEqualsGay are just gay]] despite the fact that the manga explicitly states several times that they are {{Transgender}}, and even has a post-op trans woman like Yuki who they compare to (Nitori has mostly shown attraction to girls as well). Similarly, many OtokonokoGenre fans are drawn to the series. Other fans think it's a romance shojo where PlatonicLifePartners Takatsuki and Nitori are going to end up in the end, despite it being marketed as ''{{seinen}}'' instead. They have ShipTease [[spoiler:(though nothing becomes of it),]] however, it is a ComingOfAgeStory instead of a romance.

* Despite ''Manga/{{Yuureitou}}'' making it extremely clear that Tetsuo/[[spoiler: Reiko]] is a [[{{transgender}} transgender man]], many fans view him as a SweetPollyOliver. Even after Taichi himself makes this mistake and Tetsuo tells him otherwise, many fans thought Tetsuo would stop "crossdressing" by the end and end up with Taichi. [[spoiler:They are the OfficialCouple but Tetsuo is still living as a man.]]

** Asuka is a huge EnsembleDarkhorse [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff in the West]] with many going as far as to say she's the only good character in the show because "she's not a [[{{Wangst}} whiny]] [[EmoTeen emo]] like the rest of the cast". However, they seem to forget that later on in the series she has a mental breakdown including the Trope Namer for MindRape showing she's secretly NotSoDifferent than Shinji and is [[DysfunctionJunction just as psychologically damaged as the rest of the cast]].

* With ''Anime/SerialExperimentsLain'', producer Yasuyuki Ueda hoped to stir a "cultural war" (seriously) between traditional Japanese and American values, due to the latter's perceived negative influence on post-WWII Japan. His hope with ''Lain'' was to create a story that would be interpreted differently in the East and West and spark discussions on their cultural differences and perspectives. American fans interpreted the plot the same way as Japanese fans, which suggests that either Lain wasn't ''enough'' of a MindScrew for his purposes, or Americans and Japanese are [[NotSoDifferent not that different at all]]... Misaimed Creator?

* Subaru of ''LightNovel/ReZero'' is in no way a StockLightNovelHero. He is instead his own character with his own feelings, personality, and flaws. He has no useful powers to use in combat and always got his ass handed to him, often in fatal ways. Initially, he was hated by the fanbase because they ''couldn't'' project themselves onto him, but later learned that projecting themselves onto him was never the point and soon grew to love him. However, he still does have several detractors, especially when it came to his interactions with the [[TheUnfairSex female characters]], and many of them dislike Subaru for how he treats them at his worst while putting them on pedestals and claiming they did nothing but be kind to him. One [[https://youtu.be/r18P_uNI4AM Youtuber]] when on a RantInducingSlight on every horrible thing the female characters (sans [[NiceGirl Emilia]]) has ever done to Subaru.

* There's quite a few edgy [[InternetToughGuy internet tough guys]] that say offensive things for the hell of it with "badass" looking pictures of Vash the Stampede from ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'' as their social media icon, presumably just because he looks cool, completely ignoring that the character's defining traits are [[AllLovingHero his empathy for all life, sensitivity, and kindness.]] It's likely they've never even watched or read the series.

* Considering that ''Manga/CandyCandy'' is a {{shoujo}} manga from TheSeventies, it had [[FairForItsDay pretty revolutionary]] 'messages': "Be honest to yourself", "Don't throw away your own beliefs", "Work hard to earn what you get in life", "Romance is important, yes, but not the end and be all to a woman's life". The fandom, however, ignores almost all of them (and specially the last one) '''only''' to focus on the romantic part of the plot, and '''''especially''''' on [[spoiler:loudly complaining because Candy and Terry didn't end up together]]. Even older fans in their 30's and 40's, who should know better, fall into this trap.

** In a cross-media example, there's the Ash vs. Red debate. Yes, the side for Red brings up some good points... But they completely ignore Ash's accomplishments and qualities while playing up Red's. It sort of makes Red's fans look like a bunch of {{hypocrite}}s, honestly.

* Chapter 32 of ''Manga/AoNoFlag'' shows Mami's anger about people conflating JustFriends relationships between boys and girls with ones that have [[PlatonicLifePartners no]] [[LikeBrotherAndSister undertones]] at all, and that her friendship with guys ''must'' be part of some romantic plot to nab a man. Some parts of the fandom think she's projecting and that she needs to be "honest" with herself that she's actually in love with [[spoiler:Shingo]], or that she can indeed have platonic friendships with boys...just as long as she either falls in love with somebody else or maintains a "best friends plus" relationship with her boyfriend. This also runs directly afoul of her other main gripe: that she'll be considered a threat ''anyway'' even if the boy (or she) is spoken for.

* ''Manga/AxisPowersHetalia'' was intended to parody NationalStereotypes. With this in mind, the amount of UsefulNotes/MisplacedNationalism in the fandom (especially in regards to characters like America and Poland) looks ridiculous.

* ''Manga/OnePunchMan'' has attracted a large host of fans who like to argue about power levels and who can beat who, similar to ''Dragon Ball''. This is due to Saitama often being touted as the most powerful character in all of anime, or even all of fiction. However, this is missing the point of ''One-Punch Man'' - Saitama is supposed to be so powerful that ''no one'' will ever defeat him, and that is his curse. He is as strong as the narrative needs him to be, and his strength is literally limitless. A similar issue arises when discussing the Disaster Levels of monsters, since the Hero Association's Disaster Level system is known to be inherently flawed in-universe.

* ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}''

** The [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor end result of fans wanting a ruthless hero who does the job clean and clear]] is the [[AscendedFanon very existence]] of [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Mikazuki Augus]], a SociopathicHero who always go for the most violent option in every situation, his status as an InvincibleHero was meant to be a deconstruction of a ruthless hero since he killed several sympathetic enemies whole disregarding their reasons and he inadvertently started a CycleOfRevenge between Tekkadan and Gjallarhorn, yet the audiences rarely questioned his behaviour and rooted for him when he was [[spoiler: [[KilledMidSentence killing Crank in cold blooded]] and especially [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge dismembering Carta in his vendetta]] instead of going for a quick kill as usual]] regardless if it was right or not.

* ''Manga/OnePunchMan'' has attracted a large host of fans who like to argue about power levels and who can beat who, similar to ''Dragon Ball''. This is due to Saitama often being touted as the most powerful character in all of anime, or even all of fiction. However, this is missing the point of ''One-Punch Man'' - Saitama is supposed to be so powerful that ''no one'' will ever defeat him, and that is his curse. He is as strong as the narrative needs him to be, and his strength is literally limitless. A similar issues arises when discussing the Disaster Levels of monsters, since the Hero Association's Disaster Level system is known to be inherently flawed in-universe.

* ''Manga/OnePunchMan'' has attracted a large host of fans who like to argue about power levels and who can beat who, similar to ''Dragon Ball''. This is due to Saitama often being touted as the most powerful character in all of anime, or even all of fiction. However, this is kind of missing the point of ''One-Punch Man'' - Saitama's strength is both a blessing and a curse because ''no one'' will ever defeat him. Arguing over who could beat Saitama is completely pointless, because A) the point of the series is Saitama learning healthier ways to experience life than pursuing ultimately-unfulfilling goals and B) his strength is utterly unquantifiable anyways.

* ''Manga/OnePunchMan'' has attracted a large host of fans who like to argue about power levels and who can beat who, similar to ''Dragon Ball''. This is due to Saitama often being touted as the most powerful character in all of anime, or even all of fiction. However, this is kind of missing the point of ''One-Punch Man'' - Saitama's strength is both a blessing and a curse, and he's so powerful that no one will ever defeat him. Arguing over who could beat him is completely pointless because A) his strength is utterly unquantifiable and B) the point of the series is Saitama learning healthier ways to experience life than pursuing ultimately-unfulfilling goals.

* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'': Those who ship Levi/Eren out of the belief that Levi is genuinely a BastardBoyfriend who kicked Eren at the court trial out of [[ForTheEvulz sadism]], even though Levi reveals it was an act and apologizes in the very next scene.

* ''Manga/OnePunchMan'' has attracted a large host of fans who like to argue about power levels and who can beat who, similar to ''Dragon Ball''. This is due to Saitama often being touted as the most powerful characters in all of anime, or even all of fiction. However, this is kind of missing the point of ''One-Punch Man'' - Saitama's strength is both a blessing and a curse, and he's so powerful that no one will ever defeat him. Arguing over who could beat him is completely pointless because A) his strength is utterly unquantifiable and B) the point of the series is Saitama learning healthier ways to experience life than pursuing ultimately-unfulfilling goals.

* ''Manga/OnePunchMan'' has attracted a large host of fans who like to argue about power levels and who can beat who, similar to ''Dragon Ball Z''. This is due to Saitama often being touted as the most powerful character in all of anime, or even all of fiction. However, this is kind of missing the point of ''One-Punch Man'' - Saitama's strength is both a blessing and a curse, and he's so powerful that no one will ever defeat him. Arguing over who could beat him is completely pointless because A) his strength is utterly unquantifiable and B) the point of the series is Saitama learning healthier ways to experience life than pursuing ultimately-unfulfilling goals.

* ''Manga/OnePunchMan'' has attracted a large host of fans who like to argue about power levels and who can beat who, similar to ''Dragon Ball Z''. This is due to Saitama often being touted as the most powerful character in all of anime, or even all of fiction. However, this is kind of missing the point of ''One-Punch Man'' - Saitama's strength is both a blessing and a curse, and he's so powerful that no one will ever defeat him. Arguing over who could beat him is completely pointless because A) it's absolutely unfair how strong he is and B) the point of the series is Saitama learning healthier ways to experience life than pursuing ultimately-unfulfilling goals.

* ''Manga/OnePunchMan'' has attracted a large host of fans who like to argue about power levels and who can beat who, similar to ''Dragon Ball Z''. This is due to Saitama often being touted as the most powerful character in all of many, or even all of fiction. However, this is kind of missing the point of ''One-Punch Man'' - Saitama's strength is both a blessing and a curse, and he's so powerful that no one will ever defeat him. Arguing over who could beat him is completely pointless because A) it's absolutely unfair how strong he is and B) the point of the series is Saitama learning healthier ways to experience life than pursuing ultimately-unfulfilling goals.

** There's also the fact that most YaoiFangirls rather conveniently forget that Grell is transgender (male to female) and ''not'' a crossdresser. To be fair, the show makes her ''seem'' more like a guy in drag, but everyone calls her by female pronouns and she identifies as female. [[SarcasmMode But of course]] HetIsEw, so the yaoi fans ain't having any of that.

*** The treatment that people like Gin Ichimaru or Ulquiorra Cifer get from some fans is just as bad. According to them, Gin's decision to [[spoiler: stage a very bloody revenge on Aizen for having stolen part of the soul of his OnlyFriend Rangiku]] '''totally''' justified actions as bloody and cruel as [[spoiler: verbally taunting Rukia ForTheEvulz and causing her an HeroicBSOD with words alone when she was at her lower point,]] gleefully [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe bifurcating]] [[spoiler: Hiyori Sarugaki]] or causing [[spoiler: the aforementioned Rangiku]] ''decades'' of emotional pain [[spoiler: for a {{revenge}} that she would've likely been opposed to.]] Similarly, Ulquiorra's more insane fans like to gloss over how he killed Ichigo twice and horribly maimed Ishida, or how he contributed to Orihime's BreakTheCutie process (how much of it was his doing is another matter...[[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment and let's leave it at that]]).

* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' offers an example that [[{{Anvilicious}} beats the readers/viewers in the head with its message]], but it's still missed by a good portion of the fandom. [[spoiler:Roy Mustang [[CurbStompBattle destroying Envy in the most painful way possible]] isn't supposed to be enjoyed by the audience. Envy is a psychopath who [[KickTheSonOfABitch had it coming]] for killing Hughes, and other characters like Riza and Edward do agree that Envy deserves to die. But the audience is supposed to be [[HeWhoFightsMonsters worrying for Mustang's sanity]], since he's coming dangerously close to JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and [[YouAreWhatYouHate becoming what he hates]]. Killing Envy to avenge Hughes would completely destroy Roy's lifelong dream to purify the country/military and atone for the sins of the Ishvalan War. As such, the intended message of Roy's assault on Envy was that VengeanceFeelsEmpty. However, a few fans either A) missed the point of the scene, or B) got the point but didn't care. The ''Brotherhood'' anime clears this up a bit with the way the voices sound: Roy's tone is that of a savage madman who has completely lost his mind, and Envy sounds like a terrified ten-year-old child while Mustang burns them alive.]] Despite all of the above, some fans still insist that this is a badass moment, cheering at the nightmare of circumstances which led to it, and getting angry at people who point out how terrible the whole situation became. Even to this day, the argument still goes on. The source for this very page now includes a request to not make any more justifying edits, since [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment we're tired of all the arguing, and we're not looking to start any more fights]].