History MisaimedFandom / AnimeAndManga

1st Feb '17 7:16:22 AM Sakubara
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* ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'': A certain section of the fandom (especially in America) are to be attracted to the series for being RatedMForManly and DarkerAndEdgier border-lining on TrueArtIsAngsty and bashes modern anime for not being as mature and manly, and especially has a...well BerserkButton for {{Moe}}. The problem? One of the messages of Berserk is that [[TestosteronePoisoning this mindset]] is a horrible way [[WarIsHell to treat war]] and how it can harm one's psyche. In fact ironically, creator Creator/KentaroMiura is an open fan of the very Moe VideoGame/TheIdolmaster and designed the {{Music/Vocaloid}} [[{{Bishounen}} Kamui Gackpo]], both of which are the kind of stuff that part of the fandom hates.

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* ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'': A certain section of the fandom (especially [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff in America) America]]) are to be attracted to the series for being RatedMForManly and DarkerAndEdgier border-lining on TrueArtIsAngsty and bashes modern anime for not being as mature and manly, and especially has a...well BerserkButton for {{Moe}}. The problem? One of the messages of Berserk is that [[TestosteronePoisoning this mindset]] is a horrible way [[WarIsHell to treat war]] and how it can harm one's psyche. In fact ironically, creator Creator/KentaroMiura is an open fan of the very Moe VideoGame/TheIdolmaster and designed the {{Music/Vocaloid}} [[{{Bishounen}} Kamui Gackpo]], both of which are the kind of stuff that part of the fandom hates.
26th Jan '17 8:45:07 AM Wyldchyld
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* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'': Those who ship Levi/Eren (or are against it, as it may be) out of the belief that Levi is genuinely a BastardBoyfriend who kicked Eren at the court trial out of [[ForTheEvulz sadism]], even though he reveals it's an act and apologizes in the very next scene. It's one thing to make use of AlternateCharacterInterpretations and another to ignore canon so you can cite scenes out of context as proof your FetishFuel or RonTheDeathEater interpretation is the real one.

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* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'': Those who ship Levi/Eren (or are against it, as it may be) out of the belief that Levi is genuinely a BastardBoyfriend who kicked Eren at the court trial out of [[ForTheEvulz sadism]], even though he reveals it's an act and apologizes in the very next scene. It's one thing to make use of AlternateCharacterInterpretations and another to ignore canon so you can cite scenes out of context as proof your FetishFuel fanservice preferences or RonTheDeathEater interpretation is the real one.



** Rei was intended to be a [[UncannyValley creepy and wrong]] {{Deconstruction}} of the anime fandom's {{fetish}} for a perfect, obedient woman. Hideaki Anno instructed Yoshiyuki Sadamoto on Rei's character design that "Whatever else, she needs to be painted in as a bitterly unhappy young girl with little sense of presence". Instead, she became [[UnbuiltTrope one of the]] {{Ur Example}}s of {{Moe}}. She also created [[ReiAyanamiExpy an entire character archetype]]. This may be because she's portrayed as a sympathetic [[TheWoobie Woobie]]. In addition, the fandom declared her to be pure straight FetishFuel, and later merchandising and marketing began to play up this aspect of her.

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** Rei was intended to be a [[UncannyValley creepy and wrong]] {{Deconstruction}} of the anime fandom's {{fetish}} for a perfect, obedient woman. Hideaki Anno instructed Yoshiyuki Sadamoto on Rei's character design that "Whatever else, she needs to be painted in as a bitterly unhappy young girl with little sense of presence". Instead, she became [[UnbuiltTrope one of the]] {{Ur Example}}s of {{Moe}}. She also created [[ReiAyanamiExpy an entire character archetype]]. This may be because she's portrayed as a sympathetic [[TheWoobie Woobie]]. In addition, the fandom declared her to be pure straight FetishFuel, fanservice, and later merchandising and marketing began to play up this aspect of her.
24th Jan '17 12:57:53 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* Some ''Manga/OniisameE'' fans see Mariko Shinobu's [[DoesNotLikeMen hatred of men]] as something to glamourize or cheer for... "forgetting" that it's a sign of [[BreakTheCutie the immense trauma]] coming from her DarkAndTroubledPast, so it's supposed to be a sign ''[[BrokenBird of how messed up she is over it]]''.

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* Some ''Manga/OniisameE'' ''Manga/OniisamaE'' fans see Mariko Shinobu's [[DoesNotLikeMen hatred of men]] as something to glamourize or cheer for... "forgetting" that it's a sign of [[BreakTheCutie the immense trauma]] coming from her DarkAndTroubledPast, so it's supposed to be a sign ''[[BrokenBird '''[[BrokenBird of how messed up she is over it]]''.it]]'''.
21st Jan '17 12:57:40 PM Starfleet7
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*** The treatment that people like Gin Ichimaru or Ulquiorra Cifer get from rabid fangirls is just as bad. According to them, Gin's decision to [[spoiler: stage a very bloody revenge on Aizen for having stolen part of the soul of his OnlyFriend Rangiku]] '''totally''' justified actions as bloody and cruel as [[spoiler: verbally taunting Rukia ForTheEvulz and causing her an HeroicBSOD with words alone when she was at her lower point]], gleefully [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe bifurcating]] [[spoiler: Hiyori Sarugaki]] or causing [[spoiler: the aforementioned Rangiku]] ''decades'' of emotional pain [[spoiler: for a {{revenge}} that she would've likely been opposed to.]] Similarly, Ulquiorra's more insane fans like to gloss over how he killed Ichigo twice and horribly maimed Ishida, or how he contributed to Orihime's BreakTheCutie process (how much of it was his doing is another matter...[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement and let's leave it at that]]).

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*** The treatment that people like Gin Ichimaru or Ulquiorra Cifer get from rabid fangirls some fans is just as bad. According to them, Gin's decision to [[spoiler: stage a very bloody revenge on Aizen for having stolen part of the soul of his OnlyFriend Rangiku]] '''totally''' justified actions as bloody and cruel as [[spoiler: verbally taunting Rukia ForTheEvulz and causing her an HeroicBSOD with words alone when she was at her lower point]], gleefully [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe bifurcating]] [[spoiler: Hiyori Sarugaki]] or causing [[spoiler: the aforementioned Rangiku]] ''decades'' of emotional pain [[spoiler: for a {{revenge}} that she would've likely been opposed to.]] Similarly, Ulquiorra's more insane fans like to gloss over how he killed Ichigo twice and horribly maimed Ishida, or how he contributed to Orihime's BreakTheCutie process (how much of it was his doing is another matter...[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement and let's leave it at that]]).



** Also, in another instance of this, similar to the [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Rei Ayanami]] example, there's L, the socially inept, disheveled, insomniac [[TheRival rival]] to Light, who was [[WordOfGod admittedly]] designed to be ugly and unpleasant looking. The massive fangirl following massively disagrees. Death Note 13's "How to Read" also reveals that Takeshi Obata tried to complicate the morality of the series by purposefully ''giving L an ugly character design that no one would be attracted to.''

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** Also, in another instance of this, similar to the [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Rei Ayanami]] example, there's L, the socially inept, disheveled, insomniac [[TheRival rival]] to Light, who was [[WordOfGod admittedly]] designed to be ugly and unpleasant looking. The massive fangirl following Some fans massively disagrees.disagree. Death Note 13's "How to Read" also reveals that Takeshi Obata tried to complicate the morality of the series by purposefully ''giving L an ugly character design that no one would be attracted to.''



* ''Manga/OuranHighSchoolHostClub'' was intended to make fun of the school romance''/''[[CastFullOfPrettyBoys bishounen harem]] genre. [[IndecisiveParody It includes many common character and plot tropes]]; however, many fans don't seem to realize or care that the tropes are ''not'' being played straight. Other fangirls are capable of self-deprecation. Still others see it as the best of both worlds, with the cuteness of a romantic comedy and the funnier humor of an AffectionateParody. [[note]]It's your GuiltyPleasures without the guilt![[/note]]

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* ''Manga/OuranHighSchoolHostClub'' was intended to make fun of the school romance''/''[[CastFullOfPrettyBoys bishounen harem]] genre. [[IndecisiveParody It includes many common character and plot tropes]]; however, many fans don't seem to realize or care that the tropes are ''not'' being played straight. Other fangirls fans are capable of self-deprecation. Still others see it as the best of both worlds, with the cuteness of a romantic comedy and the funnier humor of an AffectionateParody. [[note]]It's your GuiltyPleasures without the guilt![[/note]]
16th Jan '17 6:52:44 PM KingLyger
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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' offers an example that [[{{Anvilicious}} beats the readers/viewers in the head with its message]], but it's still missed by a good portion of the fandom. [[spoiler:Roy Mustang [[CurbStompBattle destroying]] Envy in the most painful way possible isn't supposed to be enjoyed by the audience. Although Envy is a psychopath who [[KickTheSonOfABitch had it coming]] for killing Hughes, and other characters like Riza and Edward do agree that Envy deserves to die, the audience is supposed to be [[HeWhoFightsMonsters worrying for]] [[YouAreWhatYouHate Mustang's]] [[JumpingoffTheSlipperySlope sanity]]. Killing Envy to avenge Hughes would completely destroy Roy's lifelong dream to purify the country/military and atone for the sins of the Ishbalan War. As such, the intended message was that RevengeFeelsEmpty, but a few fans either missed the point or didn't care. The ''Brotherhood'' anime clears this up a bit, largely with the way the voices sound: [[Creator/ShinichiroMiki Roy's tone]] is clearly that of a savage madman who is completely losing his sanity, and [[Creator/MinamiTakayama Envy]] sounds like a scared ten year old.]] Despite all of this, some fans insist this is a badass moment, cheering at [[spoiler: Roy's nightmarish self-destructive spiral]], and getting angry at the characters who try to stop him from doing it. '''Even in this very Wiki'''.

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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' offers an example that [[{{Anvilicious}} beats the readers/viewers in the head with its message]], but it's still missed by a good portion of the fandom. [[spoiler:Roy Mustang [[CurbStompBattle destroying]] Envy in the most painful way possible isn't supposed to be enjoyed by the audience. Although Envy is a psychopath who [[KickTheSonOfABitch had it coming]] for killing Hughes, and other characters like Riza and Edward do agree that Envy deserves to die, the audience is supposed to be [[HeWhoFightsMonsters worrying for]] [[YouAreWhatYouHate Mustang's]] [[JumpingoffTheSlipperySlope sanity]]. Killing Envy to avenge Hughes would completely destroy Roy's lifelong dream to purify the country/military and atone for the sins of the Ishbalan War. As such, the intended message was that RevengeFeelsEmpty, VengeanceFeelsEmpty, but a few fans either missed the point or didn't care. The ''Brotherhood'' anime clears this up a bit, largely with the way the voices sound: [[Creator/ShinichiroMiki Roy's tone]] is clearly that of a savage madman who is completely losing his sanity, and [[Creator/MinamiTakayama Envy]] sounds like a scared ten year old.]] Despite all of this, some fans insist this is a badass moment, cheering at [[spoiler: Roy's nightmarish self-destructive spiral]], and getting angry at the characters who try to stop him from doing it. '''Even in this very Wiki'''.
16th Jan '17 6:51:55 PM KingLyger
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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' offers a very, VERY spoileriffic example that [[AnviLicious beats the readers/viewers in the head with its message]], but somehow it's still missed by the fandom: [[spoiler:Roy [[CurbStompBattle destroying]] Envy in the most painful way possible '''isn't supposed to be enjoyed by the audience'''. Although Envy ''is'' a psychopath who [[KickTheSonOfABitch had it coming]] for killing Hughes in the meanest way possible, and other characters like Riza and Edward '''do''' agree that he has to die and has done everything to deserve it, the readers and viewers supposed to be '''[[HeWhoFightsMonsters worrying for]]''' '''[[YouAreWhatYouHate Roy's]]''' '''[[JumpingoffTheSlipperySlope sanity]]''' (killing Envy to avenge Hughes would ''completely destroy Roy's lifelong dream to purify the country/military and atone for the sins of the Ishbalan war''), '''not cheering for him to kick Envy's ass'''. The ''Brotherhood'' anime clears this up a bit, largely with the way the voices sound: [[Creator/ShinichiroMiki Roy's tone]] is clearly that of a savage madman who is completely losing his sanity, and [[Creator/MinamiTakayama Envy]] sounds like a scared ten year old.]] And yet the fandom keeps citing this as a ''badass'' moment for [[spoiler: Mustang]], cheering at [[spoiler: Roy's nightmare-ish self-destuctive spiral]] plus gunning for [[spoiler: him to lose himself to his darkness]], and getting angry at [[spoiler: Riza and Ed for not enabling him.]] '''Even in this very Wiki'''.

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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' offers a very, VERY spoileriffic an example that [[AnviLicious [[{{Anvilicious}} beats the readers/viewers in the head with its message]], but somehow it's still missed by a good portion of the fandom: fandom. [[spoiler:Roy Mustang [[CurbStompBattle destroying]] Envy in the most painful way possible '''isn't isn't supposed to be enjoyed by the audience'''. audience. Although Envy ''is'' is a psychopath who [[KickTheSonOfABitch had it coming]] for killing Hughes in the meanest way possible, Hughes, and other characters like Riza and Edward '''do''' do agree that he has Envy deserves to die and has done everything to deserve it, die, the readers and viewers audience is supposed to be '''[[HeWhoFightsMonsters [[HeWhoFightsMonsters worrying for]]''' '''[[YouAreWhatYouHate Roy's]]''' '''[[JumpingoffTheSlipperySlope sanity]]''' (killing for]] [[YouAreWhatYouHate Mustang's]] [[JumpingoffTheSlipperySlope sanity]]. Killing Envy to avenge Hughes would ''completely completely destroy Roy's lifelong dream to purify the country/military and atone for the sins of the Ishbalan war''), '''not cheering for him to kick Envy's ass'''.War. As such, the intended message was that RevengeFeelsEmpty, but a few fans either missed the point or didn't care. The ''Brotherhood'' anime clears this up a bit, largely with the way the voices sound: [[Creator/ShinichiroMiki Roy's tone]] is clearly that of a savage madman who is completely losing his sanity, and [[Creator/MinamiTakayama Envy]] sounds like a scared ten year old.]] And yet the fandom keeps citing Despite all of this, some fans insist this as is a ''badass'' moment for [[spoiler: Mustang]], badass moment, cheering at [[spoiler: Roy's nightmare-ish self-destuctive spiral]] plus gunning for [[spoiler: him to lose himself to his darkness]], nightmarish self-destructive spiral]], and getting angry at [[spoiler: Riza and Ed for not enabling him.]] the characters who try to stop him from doing it. '''Even in this very Wiki'''.
3rd Jan '17 5:05:15 PM Valiona
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** Homura's love for [[spoiler:Madoka]], though initially well-intentioned, is an all-consuming obsession that endangers herself and others- to say nothing of the trauma and self-hatred that fuels it. But shippers have to ship, so Homura/[[spoiler:Madoka]] ended up the show's FanPreferredCouple, and when the third movie dared show just how unhealthy Homura's feelings are...many fans, well, rebelled.
** While we're on the subject of [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion the movie]] their are plenty of fans who genuinely believe that Homura [[spoiler: did absolutely nothing wrong in the ending after usurping Madoka's place as the God of the world [[GoddessOfEvil and becoming a devil]] since it lead to all of the main characters coming back to life and Kyubey [[KickTheSonOfABitch finally getting the punishment he deserves]]]]. However this is ignoring the fact that in order to [[spoiler: create this new world Homura forcibly ripped Madoka away from her Goddess powers and afterwards MindRaped every single person who could remember the old world]]. Hell even the fact the [[spoiler: she brought several characters back to life and gave them happy endings isn't portrayed as all that heroic since you could argue that she's doing it [[PragmaticVillainy so that anyone who may remember the old world will want to stay in her new one instead]]]]. Despite the fact that the movie clearly shows that Homura did a truly awful thing (with even Homura herself admitting it and knowing [[spoiler: that this will eventually lead to her and Madoka becoming enemies]]) there are many fans that genuinely belief that [[spoiler: what she did was right and that her new world is better then Madoka's old one]] (although their are plenty of other fans [[BrokenBase who disagree]]).

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** Homura's love for [[spoiler:Madoka]], though initially well-intentioned, is an all-consuming obsession that endangers herself and others- to say nothing of the trauma and self-hatred that fuels it. But shippers have to ship, so Homura/[[spoiler:Madoka]] ended up the show's FanPreferredCouple, and when the third movie dared show just how unhealthy Homura's feelings are...many fans, well, rebelled.
** While we're on the subject of
Regarding [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion the movie]] their are plenty of movie]], many fans who genuinely believe that Homura support Homura's actions in the ending, [[spoiler: did absolutely nothing wrong in the ending after namely, usurping Madoka's place as the God of the world Madoka, [[GoddessOfEvil and becoming a devil]] since it lead to all of the main characters coming back to life and Kyubey devil]], [[KickTheSonOfABitch finally getting and enslaving the punishment he deserves]]]]. However this is ignoring entire Incubator species]]]], particularly among those who argued that [[EsotericHappyEnding the original series' ending wasn't all that happy upon closer inspection]], despite the fact that in order to [[spoiler: create this new world Homura forcibly ripped Madoka away from her Goddess powers and afterwards MindRaped every single person who could remember the old world]]. Hell even the fact the [[spoiler: she brought several characters back to life and gave them happy endings isn't portrayed as all that heroic since you could argue that she's doing it [[PragmaticVillainy so that anyone who may remember the old world will want to stay in her new one instead]]]]. Despite the fact that the movie clearly shows that Homura did a truly awful thing (with even Homura herself admitting it and knowing [[spoiler: that this will eventually lead to calls those acts evil. Perhaps some good came of her and Madoka becoming enemies]]) there are many fans that genuinely belief that [[spoiler: what she did was right and that her new world is better then Madoka's old one]] (although their are plenty of other fans [[BrokenBase who disagree]]).decision, but it's a stretch to call it a good decision.
19th Dec '16 6:50:26 AM Morgenthaler
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** Another example is that whilst many Naruto fans see Sasuke as a SmugSnake who eats babies and enjoys [[KickTheDog kicking puppies]], others see him as a BadAss with absolutely no flaws, who is not emotionally unstable in the least and who simply does bad things because he's "cool" and "badass" and "evil". Both sets of fans are wrong, as it's pretty clear that while he's supposed to be sympathetic, or to have ''been'' sympathetic once before he crossed the MoralEventHorizon, most of his life choices are shown in quite a negative light.

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** Another example is that whilst many Naruto fans see Sasuke as a SmugSnake who eats babies and enjoys [[KickTheDog kicking puppies]], others see him as a BadAss badass with absolutely no flaws, who is not emotionally unstable in the least and who simply does bad things because he's "cool" and "badass" and "evil". Both sets of fans are wrong, as it's pretty clear that while he's supposed to be sympathetic, or to have ''been'' sympathetic once before he crossed the MoralEventHorizon, most of his life choices are shown in quite a negative light.
18th Dec '16 10:23:52 AM Morgenthaler
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** Goku and Vegeta's rivalry. Some people like to cheer for Vegeta since he's becomes the underdog after the events of the Frieza Saga. Other root for him because they feel he deserves to beat Goku because he trains more while Goku is given everything, is royalty, and is generally more {{Badass}} (despite his so-so win record). What these type of fans miss is that Goku trains just as hard as Vegeta, he just doesn't torture his body, and despite not being royalty he's more talented. Goku's flaws are also played up more where he is reduced to DumbMuscle while Vegeta is herald as a technical genius, although Goku comes up with a number of genius plans while Vegeta most of the time loses his temper and his ability to think straight when his pride is hurt.

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** Goku and Vegeta's rivalry. Some people like to cheer for Vegeta since he's becomes the underdog after the events of the Frieza Saga. Other root for him because they feel he deserves to beat Goku because he trains more while Goku is given everything, is royalty, and is generally more {{Badass}} badass (despite his so-so win record). What these type of fans miss is that Goku trains just as hard as Vegeta, he just doesn't torture his body, and despite not being royalty he's more talented. Goku's flaws are also played up more where he is reduced to DumbMuscle while Vegeta is herald as a technical genius, although Goku comes up with a number of genius plans while Vegeta most of the time loses his temper and his ability to think straight when his pride is hurt.



* ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'' fans who complain how much it sucks that Kenshin [[TechnicalPacifist doesn't kill anyone]], despite this being a major, plot-critical character trait. Some fans have [[StrawmanHasAPoint intelligent criticism]] of the series' [[ThouShaltNotKill simplistic take on morality and violence]]--but many do seem to think it'd be cooler if Kenshin would kill people, or [[JustHereForGodzilla don't care]]. The author included an in-universe example of this viewpoint: [[{{Badass}} Saitou Hajime]] not only thinks it'd be better if Kenshin reverted to his old ways, but is also continually trying to force him to do so. When Kenshin finally resolves his last issue with his past, Saitou rejects his challenge because he was searching for something that Kenshin can no longer provide.

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* ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'' fans who complain how much it sucks that Kenshin [[TechnicalPacifist doesn't kill anyone]], despite this being a major, plot-critical character trait. Some fans have [[StrawmanHasAPoint intelligent criticism]] of the series' [[ThouShaltNotKill simplistic take on morality and violence]]--but many do seem to think it'd be cooler if Kenshin would kill people, or [[JustHereForGodzilla don't care]]. The author included an in-universe example of this viewpoint: [[{{Badass}} Saitou Hajime]] Hajime not only thinks it'd be better if Kenshin reverted to his old ways, but is also continually trying to force him to do so. When Kenshin finally resolves his last issue with his past, Saitou rejects his challenge because he was searching for something that Kenshin can no longer provide.



** Another example is that over the course of the anime/manga, there are fans who still view Seto Kaiba as TheWoobie, even though he's long since become self reliant, and that Yugi and his friends are jerks who don't understand what he's been through, or fawn over Kaiba's {{badass}} traits so much that they will overlook or pardon his {{jerkass}} moments. Even the Toei staff working on the anime [[SpotlightStealingSquad seems to feel this way]]. In the manga though, it ''should'' be clear that outside his few redemptive moments, Kaiba's behavior should not be idolized or emulated and that, while you are supposed to ''sympathize'' with Kaiba's troubles, you're not supposed to think that ''excuses'' the crap he pulls.

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** Another example is that over the course of the anime/manga, there are fans who still view Seto Kaiba as TheWoobie, even though he's long since become self reliant, and that Yugi and his friends are jerks who don't understand what he's been through, or fawn over Kaiba's {{badass}} badass traits so much that they will overlook or pardon his {{jerkass}} moments. Even the Toei staff working on the anime [[SpotlightStealingSquad seems to feel this way]]. In the manga though, it ''should'' be clear that outside his few redemptive moments, Kaiba's behavior should not be idolized or emulated and that, while you are supposed to ''sympathize'' with Kaiba's troubles, you're not supposed to think that ''excuses'' the crap he pulls.
11th Dec '16 7:07:17 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* Some ''Manga/OniisameE'' fans see Mariko Shinobu's [[DoesNotLikeMen hatred of men]] as something to glamourize or cheer for... "forgetting" that it's a sign of [[BreakTheCutie the immense trauma]] coming from her DarkAndTroubledPast, so it's supposed to be a sign ''[[BrokenBird of how messed up she is over it]]''.



*** The flipside is also true, since the loudest Homura haters insist that she is an horrifyingly cruel monster devoid of any humanity and refer to anyone who disagrees as "apologists". These Homura bashers eagerly brush aside how she was very lonely before meeting Madoka, then [[BrokenBird either broke herself or was broken beyond belief]] in all the [[spoiler: time loops]] and continuities, eventually [[DespairEventHorizon reached a total breaking point]], and ''then'' had [[spoiler: the above described LoveMakesYouEvil-fueled FaceHeelTurn.]] Even when the show beats the viewers upside the head with the idea that love ''cannot'' completely selfless unless in extremely special circumstances (like Madoka's), the fans still uphold the "love must be completely selfless and a person in love must not be allowed to wish for anything for him/herself" idea and then bash Homura for, alongside Sayaka, showing how unrealistic and harmful it is.

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*** The flipside is also true, since the loudest Homura haters insist that she is an horrifyingly cruel monster devoid of any humanity and refer to anyone who disagrees as "apologists". These Homura bashers eagerly brush aside how she was very lonely before meeting Madoka, then [[BrokenBird either broke herself or was broken beyond belief]] (and more often than not, '''both''') in all the [[spoiler: time loops]] and continuities, eventually [[DespairEventHorizon reached a total breaking point]], and ''then'' had [[spoiler: the above described LoveMakesYouEvil-fueled FaceHeelTurn.]] Even when the show beats the viewers upside the head with the idea that love ''cannot'' completely selfless unless in extremely special circumstances (like Madoka's), the fans still uphold the "love must be completely selfless and a person in love must not be allowed to wish for anything for him/herself" idea and then bash Homura for, alongside Sayaka, showing how unrealistic and harmful it is.



* Despite ''Manga/{{Yuureitou}}'' making it extremely clear that Tetsuo is a [[{{transsexual}} transgender man]], many fans view him as a SweetPollyOliver. Even after Taichi himself makes this mistake and Tetsuo tells him otherwise, many fans thought Tetsuo would stop "crossdressing" by the end and end up with Taichi. [[spoiler:They are the OfficialCouple but Tetsuo is still living as a man]].

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* Despite ''Manga/{{Yuureitou}}'' making it extremely clear that Tetsuo Tetsuo/[[spoiler: Reiko]] is a [[{{transsexual}} transgender man]], many fans view him as a SweetPollyOliver. Even after Taichi himself makes this mistake and Tetsuo tells him otherwise, many fans thought Tetsuo would stop "crossdressing" by the end and end up with Taichi. [[spoiler:They are the OfficialCouple but Tetsuo is still living as a man]].
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