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2nd Jun '16 8:37:35 AM GlitteringFlowers
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*** The flipside is also true, since the loudest Homura haters insist that she is an horrifyingly cruel monster devoid of any humanity and refer to anyone who disagrees as "apologists". These Homura bashers eagerly brush aside how she was very lonely before meeting Madoka, then [[BrokenBird either broke herself or was broken beyond belief]] in all the [[spoiler: time loops]] and continuities, eventually [[DespairEventHorizon reached a total breaking point]], and ''then'' had [[spoiler: the above described LoveMakesYouEvil-fueled FaceHeelTurn.]] Even when the show beats the viewers upside the head with the idea that love ''cannot'' completely selfless unless in extremely special circumstances (like Madoka's), the fans still uphold the "love must be completely selfless and a person in love must not be allowed to wish for anything for him/herself" idea and then bash Homura for, alongside Sayaka, showing how unrealistic and harmful it is.
31st May '16 9:57:51 PM SamMax
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* While this can appear in almost any fandom, the anime fandom gets this one especially bad. So, you have a [[EvilIsSexy villain or rival character]] [[DracoInLeatherPants who is also fairly attractive]]. Pretty odd on it's own, but no biggie, right? Well, then you realize that one of the villain's fangirls also tends to bash one of the heroes for either being [[IdiotHero stupid]] or (usually in the case of some secondary characters) [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute not being as cute as her antagonistic crush]]. It may even get to the point where that villain or rival is one of the most popular characters while that hero becomes one of the least popular. [[UnfortunateImplications So, according to the fanbase, your moral alignment doesn't matter so long as you're not ugly?]] It's a really harsh DoubleStandard that makes a lot of fans come off as either shallow or potentially mental ([[BreadEggsBreadedEggs or both]]). Doesn't help that these bashed characters aren't really the [[{{Gonk}} Gonks]] fans make them out to be and are more UglyCute.

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* While this can appear in almost any fandom, the anime fandom gets this one especially bad. So, you have a [[EvilIsSexy villain or rival character]] [[DracoInLeatherPants who is also fairly attractive]]. Pretty odd on it's own, but no biggie, right? Well, then you realize that one of the villain's fangirls also tends to bash one of the heroes for either being [[IdiotHero stupid]] or (usually in the case of some secondary characters) [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute not being as cute as her antagonistic crush]]. It may even get to the point where that villain or rival is one of the most popular characters while that hero becomes one of the least popular. [[UnfortunateImplications So, according to the fanbase, your moral alignment doesn't matter so long as you're not ugly?]] It's a really harsh DoubleStandard that makes a lot of fans come off as either shallow or potentially mental ([[BreadEggsBreadedEggs or both]]). Doesn't help that these bashed characters aren't really the [[{{Gonk}} Gonks]] fans make them out to be and are more UglyCute.UglyCute at worst.
30th May '16 10:51:02 AM MagBas
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* ''Manga/ShamanKing'' gives us [[BigBad Hao Asakura]], the main villain. [[DracoInLeatherPants He has legions of fangirls]]. Sure one could chalk that up to him being a TragicVillain and WellIntentionedExtremist... But he can come off as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, and some fangirls love him ''because'' he's so [[EvilIsSexy evil]]. Heck, Anime!Hao is even ''worse'' because he's less redeeming, and he ''still'' has chicks gushing over him!
30th May '16 9:15:38 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* ''Anime/WolfsRain'' fans who sympathize too much with the wolves, claiming that "They don't ''really'' want to hurt anyone," even though many killings happen ''on-screen''. The only one who shows any remorse is Toboe. Kiba, the human-intolerant leader, gets {{squee}}d over as well--but even if he ''were'' human, he would still be a messed-up, violent, bad-tempered misanthrope. It's not that he's bad--his issues are [[DoomedHometown extremely]] [[WalkingTheEarth understandable]] and he ''does'' grow to genuinely care about the others--it's just unlikely that ThePowerOfLove alone could cure his issues. Especially if she's human. But as their human-looking forms are all {{Bishounen}}, [[BeautyEqualsGoodness it's completely understandable]]. ''[[WolfsRain Wolf's Rain]]'' also happens to be a social and religious allegory. Some fans ignore this in favor of fawning over how [[{{Bishounen}} pretty the wolves are]].

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* ''Anime/WolfsRain'' fans who sympathize too much with the wolves, claiming that "They don't ''really'' want to hurt anyone," even though many killings happen ''on-screen''. The only one who shows any remorse is Toboe. Kiba, the human-intolerant leader, gets {{squee}}d over as well--but even if he ''were'' human, he would still be a messed-up, violent, bad-tempered misanthrope. It's not that he's bad--his issues are [[DoomedHometown extremely]] [[WalkingTheEarth understandable]] and he ''does'' grow to genuinely care about the others--it's just unlikely that ThePowerOfLove alone could cure his issues. Especially if she's human. But as their human-looking forms are all {{Bishounen}}, [[BeautyEqualsGoodness it's completely understandable]]. ''[[WolfsRain ''[[Anime/WolfsRain Wolf's Rain]]'' also happens to be a social and religious allegory. Some fans ignore this in favor of fawning over how [[{{Bishounen}} pretty the wolves are]].
24th May '16 2:04:49 PM Rbade
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** The other issue is content ([[AnimationAgeGhetto Because cartoons are for kids,]] [[SarcasmMode right?]]). Anime fans will argue that anime is darker and more mature than cartoons, which is a sketchy argument for many reasons. First off, as the previous sarcasm indicates, cartoons ''aren't'' just for kids. Second, there are plenty of children's anime like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' and ''Anime/{{Doraemon}}'', [[ValuesDissonance and thanks to cultural differences]], a lot of anime that's considered for kids in Japan is for teens/adults in the west. Third, depending on how the "anime is dark and mature" argument is presented, it causes anime fans to perpetuate a [[AllAnimeIsNaughtyTentacles horribly inaccurate]] [[StopBeingStereotypical stereotype]].

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** The other issue is content ([[AnimationAgeGhetto Because cartoons are for kids,]] [[SarcasmMode right?]]). Anime fans will argue that anime is darker and more mature than cartoons, which is a sketchy argument for many reasons. First off, as the previous sarcasm indicates, cartoons ''aren't'' just for kids. Second, there are plenty of children's anime like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' and ''Anime/{{Doraemon}}'', [[ValuesDissonance and thanks to cultural differences]], a lot of anime that's considered for kids in Japan is for teens/adults in the west. Third, depending on how the "anime is dark and mature" argument is presented, it causes anime fans to perpetuate a [[AllAnimeIsNaughtyTentacles horribly inaccurate]] [[StopBeingStereotypical stereotype]]. Even ignoring the specific aspects of this, the content of a group of works isn't really a way to define an entirely new medium.
4th May '16 1:01:09 PM KiraDoom
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* While this can appear in almost any fandom, the anime fandom gets this one especially bad. So, you have a [[EvilIsSexy villain or rival character]] [[DracoInLeatherPants who is also fairly attractive]]. Pretty odd on it's own, but no biggie, right? Well, then you realize that one of the villain's fangirls also tends to bash one of the heroes for either being [[IdiotHero stupid]] or (usually in the case of some secondary characters) [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute not being as cute as her antagonistic crush]]. It may even get to the point where that villain or rival is one of the most popular characters while that hero becomes one of the least popular. [[UnfortunateImplications So, according to the fanbase, your moral alignment doesn't matter so long as you're not ugly?]] It's a really harsh DoubleStandard that makes a lot of fans come off as either shallow or potentially mental ([[BreadEggsBreadedEggs or both]]). Doesn't help that these bashed characters aren't really the [[{{Gonk}} Gonks]] fans make them out to be and are more UglyCute.
4th May '16 12:21:28 PM KiraDoom
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* One that applies to anime in general: there are quite a few anime fans who believe that anime is superior to WesternAnimation, and in modern times it's gotten to the point where people are [[FlameWar debating over whether or not anime is cartoons]]. The issue here is reasoning; you see...
** The first issue is the stylistic differences between anime and cartoons, where anime is supposedly more realistic and proportionate while cartoons are simpler and unrealistic. The problem is that anime can be just as simple and unrealistic as a western cartoon, and there are plenty of {{Animesque}} western cartoons out there. Plus, if it weren't for WesternAnimation, we wouldn't have anime, so...
** The other issue is content ([[AnimationAgeGhetto Because cartoons are for kids,]] [[SarcasmMode right?]]). Anime fans will argue that anime is darker and more mature than cartoons, which is a sketchy argument for many reasons. First off, as the previous sarcasm indicates, cartoons ''aren't'' just for kids. Second, there are plenty of children's anime like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' and ''Anime/{{Doraemon}}'', [[ValuesDissonance and thanks to cultural differences]], a lot of anime that's considered for kids in Japan is for teens/adults in the west. Third, depending on how the "anime is dark and mature" argument is presented, it causes anime fans to perpetuate a [[AllAnimeIsNaughtyTentacles horribly inaccurate]] [[StopBeingStereotypical stereotype]].


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** In a cross-media example, there's the Ash vs. Red debate. Yes, the side for Red brings up some good points... But they completely ignore Ash's accomplishments and qualities while playing up Red's. It sort of makes Red's fans look like a bunch of [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrites]], honestly.


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* ''Manga/ShamanKing'' gives us [[BigBad Hao Asakura]], the main villain. [[DracoInLeatherPants He has legions of fangirls]]. Sure one could chalk that up to him being a TragicVillain and WellIntentionedExtremist... But he can come off as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, and some fangirls love him ''because'' he's so [[EvilIsSexy evil]]. Heck, Anime!Hao is even ''worse'' because he's less redeeming, and he ''still'' has chicks gushing over him!
4th May '16 8:15:10 AM Piando
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** Much of the same occurred with Kaworu - he was also supposed to be creepy and somewhat disturbing, but as a {{Bishonen}} who seemed to have [[HoYay chemistry with Shinji]], he didn't have a chance against the {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s. As with Rei, this aspect became AscendedFanon, with his ''Rebuild Of Evangelion'' incarnation becoming more sympathetic.

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** Much of the same occurred with Kaworu - he was also supposed to be creepy and somewhat disturbing, but as a {{Bishonen}} who seemed to have [[HoYay chemistry with Shinji]], he didn't have a chance against the {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s. As with Rei, this aspect became AscendedFanon, with his ''Rebuild Of Evangelion'' ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' incarnation becoming more sympathetic.



* ''PleaseTellMeGalkoChan'' spends a lot of time debunking myths surrounding women's bodies, ultimately pointing out that you shouldn't judge people by their appearances. This is heavily underlined through Galko, whose entire class assumes is sexually frivolous because she has a large chest and a flashy wardrobe, but the show takes pains to show that not only is that nowhere near the case, the implication of such might actually hurt Galko herself. So of course, the merchandise and fan-oriented works all focus on how hawt Galko is!

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* ''PleaseTellMeGalkoChan'' ''Manga/PleaseTellMeGalkoChan'' spends a lot of time debunking myths surrounding women's bodies, ultimately pointing out that you shouldn't judge people by their appearances. This is heavily underlined through Galko, whose entire class assumes is sexually frivolous because she has a large chest and a flashy wardrobe, but the show takes pains to show that not only is that nowhere near the case, the implication of such might actually hurt Galko herself. So of course, the merchandise and fan-oriented works all focus on how hawt Galko is!
22nd Apr '16 10:00:46 PM Pichu-kun
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* Despite ''Manga/{{Yuureitou}}'' making it extremely clear that Tetsuo is a [[{{transsexual}} transgender man}}, many fans view him as a SweetPollyOliver. Even after Taichi himself makes this mistake and Tetsuo tells him otherwise, many fans thought Tetsuo would stop "crossdressing" by the end and end up with Taichi. [[spoiler:They are the OfficialCouple but Tetsuo is still living as a man]].

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* Despite ''Manga/{{Yuureitou}}'' making it extremely clear that Tetsuo is a [[{{transsexual}} transgender man}}, man]], many fans view him as a SweetPollyOliver. Even after Taichi himself makes this mistake and Tetsuo tells him otherwise, many fans thought Tetsuo would stop "crossdressing" by the end and end up with Taichi. [[spoiler:They are the OfficialCouple but Tetsuo is still living as a man]].
22nd Apr '16 9:59:45 PM Pichu-kun
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* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'': Those who ship Levi/Eren (or are against it, as it may be) out of the belief that Levi is genuinely a BastardBoyfriend who kicked Eren at the court trial out of [[ForTheEvulz sadism]], even though he reveals it's an act and apologizes in the very next scene. It's one thing to make use of AlternateCharacterInterpretations and another to ignore canon so you can cite scenes out of context as proof your FetishFuel or RonTheDeathEater interpretation is the real one.



* Believe it or not, fans of ''Manga/FrankenFran'', but Fran isn't [[VillainProtagonist evil]]. Nor is her sister Veronica supposed to be good. If you truly pay attention, then you'll notice that they are both intended to be neutral. It's especially apparent with the {{OVA}}s, where no violence happens and its slapstick fun. Fans can't just let the kids live normally.
** Fran may be sorta kinda well-intentioned, but her intervention in people's lives makes her more amoral than neutral, assuming [[BlueAndOrangeMorality she's even on the same moral plane as others]].

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* Believe it or not, fans of ''Manga/FrankenFran'', but Fran isn't [[VillainProtagonist evil]]. Nor is her sister Veronica supposed to be good. If you truly pay attention, then you'll notice that they are both intended to be neutral. It's especially apparent with the {{OVA}}s, where no violence happens and its slapstick fun. Fans can't just let the kids live normally.
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normally. Fran may be sorta kinda well-intentioned, but her intervention in people's lives makes her more amoral than neutral, assuming [[BlueAndOrangeMorality she's even on the same moral plane as others]].



* In the ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' anime, the rival of each series induces one of these. While they're normally a jerk to Ash instead of a friendly competitor, a lot of people cheer them on for this, saying that they're much cooler than Ash and better trainers. This is most evident in Paul, the Sinnoh rival. Yet people still cheered him on when he ''abused his Pokemon'' in order to make them stronger. This is because Paul's methods are quite similar to the methods the competitive video game players use to obtain their Pokémon[[note]]not including glitches or manipulating the random number generator[[/note]], making him an instant foil to Ash's [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship-and-love]] approach and a TakeThat to those players. Instead, Paul became an AudienceSurrogate for some of these players and an anchor point to the normally unwatchable-for-them anime.
** [[SmallNameBigEgo Gary Oak in the original series]] is more a YMMV though. Yes, he was two steps ahead of Ash for most of said series, but [[BreakTheHaughty he also suffered crucial failures as well]]. Adding salt to the wound, Ash succeeded in some of those said scenarios. Gary losing to the preliminaries that Ash got through in the Indigo League? Check. Being owned by Giovanni's Mewtwo? Check. Gary losing to Ash '''himself''' during the Johto Tournament. Indeed, check.

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* In the ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' anime, the rival of each series induces one of these. While they're normally a jerk to Ash instead of a friendly competitor, a lot of people cheer them on for this, saying that they're much cooler than Ash and better trainers. This is most evident in Paul, the Sinnoh rival. Yet people still cheered him on when he ''abused his Pokemon'' in order to make them stronger. This is because Paul's methods are quite similar to the methods the competitive video game players use to obtain their Pokémon[[note]]not including glitches or manipulating the random number generator[[/note]], making him an instant foil to Ash's [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship-and-love]] approach and a TakeThat to those players. Instead, Paul became an AudienceSurrogate for some of these players and an anchor point to the normally unwatchable-for-them anime.
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anime. [[SmallNameBigEgo Gary Oak in the original series]] is more a YMMV though. Yes, he was two steps ahead of Ash for most of said series, but [[BreakTheHaughty he also suffered crucial failures as well]]. Adding salt to the wound, Ash succeeded in some of those said scenarios. Gary losing to the preliminaries that Ash got through in the Indigo League? Check. Being owned by Giovanni's Mewtwo? Check. Gary losing to Ash '''himself''' during the Johto Tournament. Indeed, check.



* The ''Manga/WanderingSon'' fandom can be this at times. A lot of the fandom seems to be under the impression that either, or both, of the protagonists [[TransEqualsGay are just gay]] despite the fact that the manga explicitly states several times that they are {{Transsexual}}, and even has a post-op trans woman like Yuki who they compare to. Similarly many OtokonokoGenre fans are drawn to the series. Other fans think it's a romance shojo where PlatonicLifePartners Takatsuki and Nitori are going to end up in the end, despite it being marketed as ''{{seinen}}'' instead. They have ShipTease, [[spoiler:though nothing becomes of it]], however it is a ComingOfAgeStory instead of a romance.

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* The ''Manga/WanderingSon'' fandom can be this at times. A lot of the fandom seems to be under the impression that either, or both, of the protagonists [[TransEqualsGay are just gay]] despite the fact that the manga explicitly states several times that they are {{Transsexual}}, and even has a post-op trans woman like Yuki who they compare to.to (Nitori has mostly shown attraction to girls as well). Similarly many OtokonokoGenre fans are drawn to the series. Other fans think it's a romance shojo where PlatonicLifePartners Takatsuki and Nitori are going to end up in the end, despite it being marketed as ''{{seinen}}'' instead. They have ShipTease, [[spoiler:though nothing becomes of it]], however it is a ComingOfAgeStory instead of a romance.



* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'': Those who ship Levi/Eren (or are against it, as it may be) out of the belief that Levi is genuinely a BastardBoyfriend who kicked Eren at the court trial out of [[ForTheEvulz sadism]], even though he reveals it's an act and apologizes in the very next scene. It's one thing to make use of AlternateCharacterInterpretations and another to ignore canon so you can cite scenes out of context as proof your FetishFuel or RonTheDeathEater interpretation is the real one.

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* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'': Those who ship Levi/Eren (or are against it, as Despite ''Manga/{{Yuureitou}}'' making it may be) out of the belief extremely clear that Levi Tetsuo is genuinely a BastardBoyfriend who kicked Eren at [[{{transsexual}} transgender man}}, many fans view him as a SweetPollyOliver. Even after Taichi himself makes this mistake and Tetsuo tells him otherwise, many fans thought Tetsuo would stop "crossdressing" by the court trial out of [[ForTheEvulz sadism]], even though he reveals it's an act end and apologizes in end up with Taichi. [[spoiler:They are the very next scene. It's one thing to make use of AlternateCharacterInterpretations and another to ignore canon so you can cite scenes out of context OfficialCouple but Tetsuo is still living as proof your FetishFuel or RonTheDeathEater interpretation is the real one.a man]].
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