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20th Aug '16 3:36:19 AM AnotherDuck
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Examples of {{misaimed fandom}} in {{anime}} and {{manga}}.

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Examples of {{misaimed fandom}} MisaimedFandom in {{anime}} and {{manga}}.
20th Aug '16 3:35:16 AM AnotherDuck
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* One that applies to anime in general: there are quite a few anime fans who believe that anime is superior to WesternAnimation, and in modern times it's gotten to the point where people are [[FlameWar debating over whether or not anime is cartoons]]. The issue here is reasoning; you see...
** The first issue is the stylistic differences between anime and cartoons, where anime is supposedly more realistic and proportionate while cartoons are simpler and unrealistic. The problem is that anime can be just as simple and unrealistic as a western cartoon, and there are plenty of {{Animesque}} western cartoons out there. Plus, if it weren't for WesternAnimation, we wouldn't have anime, so...
** The other issue is content ([[AnimationAgeGhetto Because cartoons are for kids,]] [[SarcasmMode right?]]). Anime fans will argue that anime is darker and more mature than cartoons, which is a sketchy argument for many reasons. First off, as the previous sarcasm indicates, cartoons ''aren't'' just for kids. Second, there are plenty of children's anime like ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' and ''Anime/{{Doraemon}}'', [[ValuesDissonance and thanks to cultural differences]], a lot of anime that's considered for kids in Japan is for teens/adults in the west. Third, depending on how the "anime is dark and mature" argument is presented, it causes anime fans to perpetuate a [[AllAnimeIsNaughtyTentacles horribly inaccurate]] [[StopBeingStereotypical stereotype]]. Even ignoring the specific aspects of this, the content of a group of works isn't really a way to define an entirely new medium.
* While this can appear in almost any fandom, the anime fandom gets this one especially bad. So, you have a [[EvilIsSexy villain or rival character]] [[DracoInLeatherPants who is also fairly attractive]]. Pretty odd on it's own, but no biggie, right? Well, then you realize that one of the villain's fangirls also tends to bash one of the heroes for either being [[IdiotHero stupid]] or (usually in the case of some secondary characters) [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute not being as cute as her antagonistic crush]]. It may even get to the point where that villain or rival is one of the most popular characters while that hero becomes one of the least popular. [[UnfortunateImplications So, according to the fanbase, your moral alignment doesn't matter so long as you're not ugly?]] It's a really harsh DoubleStandard that makes a lot of fans come off as either shallow or potentially mental ([[BreadEggsBreadedEggs or both]]). Doesn't help that these bashed characters aren't really the [[{{Gonk}} Gonks]] fans make them out to be and are more UglyCute at worst.
13th Aug '16 9:32:08 AM MagBas
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** The main reason some people cite this scene as their favorite scene could as well be the animation quality and display of immense emotion such as fear and sheer hatred. Both are very, very high and you can literally feel how Envy's shitting his pants and how close Roy is to become a monster himself. Sure, many fans who enjoy this scene are terrified by Roy's violence and Envy's suffering (even though he had it coming), but the way the scene presents itself makes it hard '''not''' to find it at least a tad awesome, if only on a technical level.
12th Aug '16 11:51:34 PM Saro2775
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**The main reason some people cite this scene as their favorite scene could as well be the animation quality and display of immense emotion such as fear and sheer hatred. Both are very, very high and you can literally feel how Envy's shitting his pants and how close Roy is to become a monster himself. Sure, many fans who enjoy this scene are terrified by Roy's violence and Envy's suffering (even though he had it coming), but the way the scene presents itself makes it hard '''not''' to find it at least a tad awesome, if only on a technical level.
4th Aug '16 10:31:54 AM Willbyr
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* ''Anime/KujibikiUnbalance'' was a ShowWithinAShow in the anime ''{{Genshiken}}'' made to parody nearly every romance anime by following all of the tropes. ''Anime/KujibikiUnbalance'' was ''too'' spot on; it became a highly successful {{spinoff}}, while ''Genshiken'' itself almost didn't get a second season. (It was delayed almost a year.)

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* ''Anime/KujibikiUnbalance'' was a ShowWithinAShow in the anime ''{{Genshiken}}'' ''Manga/{{Genshiken}}'' made to parody nearly every romance anime by following all of the tropes. ''Anime/KujibikiUnbalance'' was ''too'' spot on; it became a highly successful {{spinoff}}, while ''Genshiken'' itself almost didn't get a second season. (It was delayed almost a year.)
23rd Jul '16 12:38:58 PM MagBas
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** Lelouch is a prime example of MisaimedFandom. Lelouch is a pragmatist who keeps his head and makes the best use of any situation, even if it involves killing bystanders/foolish allies or disgracing those that he loves, but he's obviously not happy when his subordinates or friends die, and his end goal is to replace the current system with one that's kinder and not as exclusive. On the one hand, many fans tend to forget this and [[RonTheDeathEater paint him as]] a monster who cares for no one but himself, overlooking his more noble qualities [[spoiler: which includes becoming the object of the ''world's hatred'' and dying [[ThanatosGambit in order to create world peace]]...[[KnightTemplarBigBrother all for the sake of his baby sister]]]]. On the other hand, there are fans who refuse to admit that [[DracoInLeatherPants their baby Lulu]] isn't above lying, manipulating[[note]]with or without his [[CompellingVoice geass]][[/note]], or even expending people around him to achieve his goals, and his carelessness has resulted in some pretty nasty consequences for himself '''''and''''' for the people he wants to help ('''including''' [[spoiler: said baby sister]]). On both ends, it seems FanDumb is NotSoDifferent.

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** Lelouch is a prime example of MisaimedFandom. Lelouch is a pragmatist who keeps his head and makes the best use of any situation, even if it involves killing bystanders/foolish allies or disgracing those that he loves, but he's obviously not happy when his subordinates or friends die, and his end goal is to replace the current system with one that's kinder and not as exclusive. On the one hand, many fans tend to forget this and [[RonTheDeathEater paint him as]] a monster who cares for no one but himself, overlooking his more noble qualities [[spoiler: which includes becoming the object of the ''world's hatred'' and dying [[ThanatosGambit in order to create world peace]]...[[KnightTemplarBigBrother all for the sake of his baby sister]]]]. On the other hand, there are fans who refuse to admit that [[DracoInLeatherPants their baby Lulu]] isn't above lying, manipulating[[note]]with or without his [[CompellingVoice geass]][[/note]], or even expending people around him to achieve his goals, and his carelessness has resulted in some pretty nasty consequences for himself '''''and''''' for the people he wants to help ('''including''' [[spoiler: said baby sister]]). On both ends, it seems FanDumb is NotSoDifferent.



* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' offers a very, VERY spoileriffic example that [[AnviLicious beats the readers/viewers in the head with its message]], but somehow it's still missed by the FanDumb: [[spoiler:Roy [[CurbStompBattle destroying]] Envy in the most painful way possible '''isn't supposed to be enjoyed by the audience'''. Although Envy ''is'' a psychopath who [[KickTheSonOfABitch had it coming]] for killing Hughes in the meanest way possible, and other characters like Riza and Edward '''do''' agree that he has to die and has done everything to deserve it, the readers and viewers supposed to be '''[[HeWhoFightsMonsters worrying for]]''' '''[[YouAreWhatYouHate Roy's]]''' '''[[JumpingoffTheSlipperySlope sanity]]''' (killing Envy to avenge Hughes would ''completely destroy Roy's lifelong dream to purify the country/military and atone for the sins of the Ishbalan war''), '''not cheering for him to kick Envy's ass'''. The ''Brotherhood'' anime clears this up a bit, largely with the way the voices sound: [[Creator/ShinichiroMiki Roy's tone]] is clearly that of a savage madman who is completely losing his sanity, and [[Creator/MinamiTakayama Envy]] sounds like a scared ten year old.]] And yet the FanDumb keeps citing this as a ''badass'' moment for [[spoiler: Mustang]], cheering at [[spoiler: Roy's nightmare-ish self-destuctive spiral]] plus gunning for [[spoiler: him to lose himself to his darkness]], and getting angry at [[spoiler: Riza and Ed for not enabling him.]] '''Even in this very Wiki'''.

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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' offers a very, VERY spoileriffic example that [[AnviLicious beats the readers/viewers in the head with its message]], but somehow it's still missed by the FanDumb: fandom: [[spoiler:Roy [[CurbStompBattle destroying]] Envy in the most painful way possible '''isn't supposed to be enjoyed by the audience'''. Although Envy ''is'' a psychopath who [[KickTheSonOfABitch had it coming]] for killing Hughes in the meanest way possible, and other characters like Riza and Edward '''do''' agree that he has to die and has done everything to deserve it, the readers and viewers supposed to be '''[[HeWhoFightsMonsters worrying for]]''' '''[[YouAreWhatYouHate Roy's]]''' '''[[JumpingoffTheSlipperySlope sanity]]''' (killing Envy to avenge Hughes would ''completely destroy Roy's lifelong dream to purify the country/military and atone for the sins of the Ishbalan war''), '''not cheering for him to kick Envy's ass'''. The ''Brotherhood'' anime clears this up a bit, largely with the way the voices sound: [[Creator/ShinichiroMiki Roy's tone]] is clearly that of a savage madman who is completely losing his sanity, and [[Creator/MinamiTakayama Envy]] sounds like a scared ten year old.]] And yet the FanDumb fandom keeps citing this as a ''badass'' moment for [[spoiler: Mustang]], cheering at [[spoiler: Roy's nightmare-ish self-destuctive spiral]] plus gunning for [[spoiler: him to lose himself to his darkness]], and getting angry at [[spoiler: Riza and Ed for not enabling him.]] '''Even in this very Wiki'''.
23rd Jul '16 8:57:54 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* A ''very'' spoileriffic example from ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. [[spoiler:Roy [[CurbStompBattle destroying]] Envy in the most painful way possible '''isn't supposed to be enjoyed by the audience'''. Although Envy ''is'' a psychopath who [[KickTheSonOfABitch had it coming]] for killing Hughes in the meanest way possible, and other characters like Riza and Edward '''do''' agree that he has to die and has done everything to deserve it, you're supposed to be '''[[HeWhoFightsMonsters worrying for]]''' '''[[YouAreWhatYouHate Roy's]]''' '''[[JumpingoffTheSlipperySlope sanity]]''' (killing Envy to avenge Hughes would ''completely destroy Roy's lifelong dream to purify the country/military and atone for the sins of the Ishbalan war''), '''not cheering for him to kick Envy's ass'''. The ''Brotherhood'' anime clears this up a bit, largely with the way the voices sound: [[Creator/ShinichiroMiki Roy's tone]] is clearly that of a savage madman who is completely losing his sanity, and [[Creator/MinamiTakayama Envy]] sounds like a scared ten year old.]]

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* A ''very'' ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' offers a very, VERY spoileriffic example from ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. that [[AnviLicious beats the readers/viewers in the head with its message]], but somehow it's still missed by the FanDumb: [[spoiler:Roy [[CurbStompBattle destroying]] Envy in the most painful way possible '''isn't supposed to be enjoyed by the audience'''. Although Envy ''is'' a psychopath who [[KickTheSonOfABitch had it coming]] for killing Hughes in the meanest way possible, and other characters like Riza and Edward '''do''' agree that he has to die and has done everything to deserve it, you're the readers and viewers supposed to be '''[[HeWhoFightsMonsters worrying for]]''' '''[[YouAreWhatYouHate Roy's]]''' '''[[JumpingoffTheSlipperySlope sanity]]''' (killing Envy to avenge Hughes would ''completely destroy Roy's lifelong dream to purify the country/military and atone for the sins of the Ishbalan war''), '''not cheering for him to kick Envy's ass'''. The ''Brotherhood'' anime clears this up a bit, largely with the way the voices sound: [[Creator/ShinichiroMiki Roy's tone]] is clearly that of a savage madman who is completely losing his sanity, and [[Creator/MinamiTakayama Envy]] sounds like a scared ten year old.]]]] And yet the FanDumb keeps citing this as a ''badass'' moment for [[spoiler: Mustang]], cheering at [[spoiler: Roy's nightmare-ish self-destuctive spiral]] plus gunning for [[spoiler: him to lose himself to his darkness]], and getting angry at [[spoiler: Riza and Ed for not enabling him.]] '''Even in this very Wiki'''.
3rd Jul '16 5:45:59 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* Many Robotech fans completely ignore the point that ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' is supposed to be a multigenerational epic. This means that characters come along and leave (either through death or simply time passing) when their stories are finished. A large number of them are obsessed with Rick Hunter as though he were the central main character of the Robotech Universe. He appeared briefly in the 2007 followup Shadow Chronicles film as a barely recognizable, aged, white haired version of himself (Actually, he looked far older than what he was supposed to be). This naturally upset fans who wanted to see Rick, Max, and the others flying their Veritechs and kicking serious alien ass like in the original Macross Saga despite the fact that Shadow Chronicles takes place about 35 years later.
** That's not the whole story. The fans are right to ask for it, and the Studio behind Robotech is quite willing to deliver further adventures of Rick, Max, Lisa & co. They even tried to produce a Robotech II: The Sentinels TV series back in the 1980's which would detail what the Macross characters got up to during seasons 2 and 3. This just didn't work out, and later on Harmony Gold lost the licensing rights to the Macross materials due to court challenges from the Japanese creators. Robotech was mashed together Frankenstein-style from 3 unrelated series. They still have the rights to part 3, Genesis Climber Mospeada, so all further Robotech works only reference visual designs from Mospeada. Believe me, Harmony Gold would spew out 10,000 episodes of "Rick Hunter adventures", if they (legally) could.

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* Many Robotech fans completely ignore the point that ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' fans completely ignore the point that ''Robotech'', due to its origins as a CutAndPasteTranslation, is supposed to be a multigenerational epic. This means that epic, with characters come coming along and leave leaving (either through death or simply time passing) when their stories are finished. A Instead, a large number of them are obsessed with Rick Hunter as though he were the central main character of the Robotech Universe. He ''Robotech'' universe. While he appeared briefly in the 2007 followup Shadow Chronicles film ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' as a barely recognizable, aged, white haired version of himself (Actually, (actually, he looked far older than what he was supposed to be). This be), this naturally upset fans who wanted to see Rick, Max, and the others flying their Veritechs and kicking serious alien ass like in the original "[[Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross Macross Saga Saga]]" despite the fact that Shadow Chronicles ''Shadow Chronicles'' takes place about 35 years later.
** That's not That said, the whole story. The fans are right to ask for it, and the Studio studio behind Robotech is ''Robotech'', Harmony Gold, have actually been quite willing to deliver the further adventures of Rick, Max, Lisa & co. They even tried to produce a Robotech ''Robotech II: The Sentinels Sentinels'' TV series back in the 1980's 1980s which would detail what the Macross characters got up to during seasons 2 and 3. This just didn't work out, and later on Harmony Gold lost the licensing rights to the Macross ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' materials due to court challenges from the Japanese creators. Robotech was mashed together Frankenstein-style from 3 unrelated series. They still have creators; currently, they only has the licensing rights to part 3, Genesis Climber Mospeada, ''Anime/GenesisClimberMospeada'' (aka "The New Generation"), so all further Robotech ''Robotech'' works only reference visual designs from Mospeada. Believe me, ''Mospeada''. It's likely that Harmony Gold would spew have already spewn out 10,000 episodes of "Rick Hunter adventures", Adventures" if they (legally) could.
2nd Jun '16 8:37:35 AM GlitteringFlowers
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*** The flipside is also true, since the loudest Homura haters insist that she is an horrifyingly cruel monster devoid of any humanity and refer to anyone who disagrees as "apologists". These Homura bashers eagerly brush aside how she was very lonely before meeting Madoka, then [[BrokenBird either broke herself or was broken beyond belief]] in all the [[spoiler: time loops]] and continuities, eventually [[DespairEventHorizon reached a total breaking point]], and ''then'' had [[spoiler: the above described LoveMakesYouEvil-fueled FaceHeelTurn.]] Even when the show beats the viewers upside the head with the idea that love ''cannot'' completely selfless unless in extremely special circumstances (like Madoka's), the fans still uphold the "love must be completely selfless and a person in love must not be allowed to wish for anything for him/herself" idea and then bash Homura for, alongside Sayaka, showing how unrealistic and harmful it is.
31st May '16 9:57:51 PM SamMax
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* While this can appear in almost any fandom, the anime fandom gets this one especially bad. So, you have a [[EvilIsSexy villain or rival character]] [[DracoInLeatherPants who is also fairly attractive]]. Pretty odd on it's own, but no biggie, right? Well, then you realize that one of the villain's fangirls also tends to bash one of the heroes for either being [[IdiotHero stupid]] or (usually in the case of some secondary characters) [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute not being as cute as her antagonistic crush]]. It may even get to the point where that villain or rival is one of the most popular characters while that hero becomes one of the least popular. [[UnfortunateImplications So, according to the fanbase, your moral alignment doesn't matter so long as you're not ugly?]] It's a really harsh DoubleStandard that makes a lot of fans come off as either shallow or potentially mental ([[BreadEggsBreadedEggs or both]]). Doesn't help that these bashed characters aren't really the [[{{Gonk}} Gonks]] fans make them out to be and are more UglyCute.

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* While this can appear in almost any fandom, the anime fandom gets this one especially bad. So, you have a [[EvilIsSexy villain or rival character]] [[DracoInLeatherPants who is also fairly attractive]]. Pretty odd on it's own, but no biggie, right? Well, then you realize that one of the villain's fangirls also tends to bash one of the heroes for either being [[IdiotHero stupid]] or (usually in the case of some secondary characters) [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute not being as cute as her antagonistic crush]]. It may even get to the point where that villain or rival is one of the most popular characters while that hero becomes one of the least popular. [[UnfortunateImplications So, according to the fanbase, your moral alignment doesn't matter so long as you're not ugly?]] It's a really harsh DoubleStandard that makes a lot of fans come off as either shallow or potentially mental ([[BreadEggsBreadedEggs or both]]). Doesn't help that these bashed characters aren't really the [[{{Gonk}} Gonks]] fans make them out to be and are more UglyCute.UglyCute at worst.
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