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15th Feb '18 9:15:51 AM Nanrel
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** Much of the same occurred with Kaworu - he was also supposed to be creepy and somewhat disturbing, but as a {{Bishonen}} who seemed to have [[HoYay chemistry with Shinji]], he didn't have a chance against the {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s. As with Rei, this aspect became AscendedFanon, with his ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' incarnation becoming more sympathetic.

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** Much of the same occurred with Kaworu - he was also supposed to be creepy and somewhat disturbing, but as a {{Bishonen}} who seemed to have [[HoYay chemistry with Shinji]], he didn't have a chance against the {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s. As Anno, the author, remarked that he had failed with Rei, this aspect became AscendedFanon, with his ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' incarnation becoming more sympathetic.Kaworu, and that he just comes off as a strange guy.
14th Feb '18 3:35:36 PM Nanrel
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** Also, in another instance of this, similar to the [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Rei Ayanami]] example, there's L, the socially inept, disheveled, insomniac [[TheRival rival]] to Light, who was [[WordOfGod admittedly]] designed to be ugly and unpleasant looking. Some fans massively disagree. Death Note 13's "How to Read" also reveals that Takeshi Obata tried to complicate the morality of the series by purposefully ''giving L an ugly character design that no one would be attracted to.''

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** Also, in another instance of this, similar to the [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Rei Ayanami]] example, this there's L, the socially inept, disheveled, insomniac [[TheRival rival]] to Light, who was [[WordOfGod admittedly]] designed to be ugly and unpleasant looking. Some fans massively disagree. Death Note 13's "How to Read" also reveals that Takeshi Obata tried to complicate the morality of the series by purposefully ''giving L an ugly character design that no one would be attracted to.''


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** Much of the same occurred with Kaworu - he was also supposed to be creepy and somewhat disturbing, but as a {{Bishonen}} who seemed to have [[HoYay chemistry with Shinji]], he didn't have a chance against the {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s. As with Rei, this aspect became AscendedFanon, with his ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' incarnation becoming more sympathetic.
14th Feb '18 3:33:28 PM Nanrel
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** Rei was intended to be a [[UncannyValley creepy and wrong]] {{Deconstruction}} of the anime fandom's {{fetish}} for a perfect, obedient woman. Hideaki Anno instructed Yoshiyuki Sadamoto on Rei's character design that "Whatever else, she needs to be painted in as a bitterly unhappy young girl with little sense of presence". Instead, she became [[UnbuiltTrope one of the]] {{Ur Example}}s of {{Moe}}. She also created [[ReiAyanamiExpy an entire character archetype]]. This may be because she's portrayed as a sympathetic [[TheWoobie Woobie]]. In addition, the fandom declared her to be pure fanservice, and later merchandising and marketing began to play up this aspect of her.
** Much of the same occurred with Kaworu - he was also supposed to be creepy and somewhat disturbing, but as a {{Bishonen}} who seemed to have [[HoYay chemistry with Shinji]], he didn't have a chance against the {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s. As with Rei, this aspect became AscendedFanon, with his ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' incarnation becoming more sympathetic.
30th Jan '18 4:25:35 PM nombretomado
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* ''Manga/AxisPowersHetalia'' was intended to parody NationalStereotypes. With this in mind, the amount of MisplacedNationalism in the fandom (especially in regards to characters like America and Poland) looks ridiculous.

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* ''Manga/AxisPowersHetalia'' was intended to parody NationalStereotypes. With this in mind, the amount of MisplacedNationalism UsefulNotes/MisplacedNationalism in the fandom (especially in regards to characters like America and Poland) looks ridiculous.
21st Jan '18 10:39:51 AM ACW
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** Many fans also tend to make Super Buu out to be a victim when it comes to Chi-Chi slapping him for (supposedly) killing Gohan. While it was [[BullyingADragon extremely]] [[TooDumbToLive foolish]] of Chi-Chi to slap Super Buu and she can be irritating, fans are forgetting the fact that Buu is a CompleteMonster who enjoyed killing people for fun, and had no remorse doing it. Also, she actually had a good reason to get angry with Buu and slap him (because Buu was supposedly responsible for Gohanís death). Unlike Goku, Gohan, or any of the other characters Chi-Chi gets angry with, Super Buu was one of the few who actually deserved to be a victim of her rage (apart from the SadistTeacher Mr. Shu).

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** Many fans also tend to make Super Buu out to be a victim when it comes to Chi-Chi slapping him for (supposedly) killing Gohan. While it was [[BullyingADragon extremely]] [[TooDumbToLive foolish]] of Chi-Chi to slap Super Buu and she can be irritating, fans are forgetting the fact that Buu is a CompleteMonster who enjoyed killing people for fun, and had no remorse doing it. Also, she actually had a good reason to get angry with Buu and slap him (because Buu was supposedly responsible for Gohanís death). Unlike Goku, Gohan, or any of the other characters Chi-Chi gets angry with, Super Buu was one of the few who actually deserved to be a victim of her rage (apart from the SadistTeacher Mr. Shu).
19th Jan '18 10:57:37 PM DoctorNeoRaptor
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* ''Anime/GraveOfTheFireflies'' has been hijacked by some Japanese nationalists to fuel talk of how cruel America was to Japan in World War II. Meanwhile, detractors have accused it of feeding into this rose-tinted view of UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan as the innocent victims forced to go into war. The film's fame comes from being praised for portraying how war is [[WarIsHell absolutely terrible and horrific]] for ''anyone'' caught in it, whichever side they may be on. Ironically, ''none of these factors are what the director intended''. In an interview with ''Animage'' in 1988, Isao Takahata stated that there is no anti-war message ''at all'' in the film. He was actually aiming to shame the contemporary generation of rebellious (at least by Japanese standards) Japanese teens/young adults by [[WhenIWasYourAge reminding them of what their parents had to endure]] before the economy was rebuilt.

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* ''Anime/GraveOfTheFireflies'' has been hijacked by some Japanese nationalists to fuel talk of how cruel America was to Japan in World War II. Meanwhile, detractors have accused it of feeding into this rose-tinted view of UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan as the innocent victims forced to go into war. The film's fame comes from being praised for portraying how war is [[WarIsHell absolutely terrible and horrific]] for ''anyone'' caught in it, whichever side they may be on. Ironically, ''none of these factors are what the director intended''. In an interview with ''Animage'' in 1988, Isao Takahata stated that there is no anti-war message ''at all'' in the film. He was actually aiming Other people claim it's an attempt to shame the contemporary generation of rebellious (at least by (by Japanese standards) Japanese teens/young adults youth into conformity by [[WhenIWasYourAge reminding showing them of what their parents had to endure]] before the economy was rebuilt.predecessors suffered through, when [[http://www.kanaloco.jp/article/72742 Isao Takahata hates this interpretation]], being a critic of Japan's conformist nature.
19th Jan '18 9:17:06 PM MsCC93
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** Many fans also tend to make Super Buu out to be a victim when it comes to Chi-Chi slapping him for (supposedly) killing Gohan. While it was [[BullyingADragon extremely]] [[TooDumbToLive foolish]] of Chi-Chi to slap Super Buu and she can be irritating, fans are forgetting the fact that Buu is a CompleteMonster who enjoyed killing people for fun, and had no remorse doing it. Also, she actually had a good reason to get angry with Buu and slap him (because Buu was supposedly responsible for Gohanís death). Unlike Goku, Gohan, or any of the other characters Chi-Chi gets angry with, Super Buu was one of the few who actually deserved to be a victim of her rage (apart from the SadistTeacher Mr. Shu).
15th Jan '18 10:01:57 PM Edgar81539
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** Devil Fruits. Fans love seeing the different abilities of an user and what crazy things the characters can do. There are also fans who think Logia have the best powers, being elemental and closed to impossible to harm, while Zoan and Paramecia Devil Fruits are often seen as lackluster with few exceptions. There are even fans who believe Luffy has a terrible power, only being a rubber man. This is ignoring that it is stated in-universe that there is no such thing as a bad Devil Fruit, just bad users, and Devil Fruits becomes more powerful the more imaginative the user becomes. One of the reasons why Luffy is so powerful is because he makes good use of his power and creates new ways to take advantage of his rubber body. The same with Zoan types who combined their natural fighting ability with those of the animal they can turn into.
1st Dec '17 3:02:10 PM MagBas
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* The anime ''Manga/{{Shiki}}'' has this big time. The show is supposed to be a morally gray spin on the vampire genre where both sides could be considered in the wrong and there is no real good or evil side. It is a simple battle of two species who cannot coexist. Both sides end up doing horrible things by the end of the show just to protect their species and community from destruction. Despite this being somewhat clear [[FanDumb many people don't get this (the entire point of the series)]] and seem to act like one side is clearly good and the other is pure evil. The Shiki supporters tend to be more self aware but the human supporters are down right militant with their view of the Shiki being pure evil and the humans being fully justified. They will even claim that the holocaust of the Shiki at the end of the show was perfectly justified while the Shiki feeding on the humans to survive is complete, pitch black, evil. This is not helped by the fact that both sides have a few bad people on them.

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* The anime ''Manga/{{Shiki}}'' has this big time. The show is supposed to be a morally gray spin on the vampire genre where both sides could be considered in the wrong and there is no real good or evil side. It is a simple battle of two species who cannot coexist. Both sides end up doing horrible things by the end of the show just to protect their species and community from destruction. Despite this being somewhat clear [[FanDumb many Many people don't get this (the entire point of the series)]] series) and seem to act like one side is clearly good and the other is pure evil. The Shiki supporters tend to be more self aware but the human supporters are down right militant with their view of the Shiki being pure evil and the humans being fully justified. They will even claim that the holocaust of the Shiki at the end of the show was perfectly justified while the Shiki feeding on the humans to survive is complete, pitch black, evil. This is not helped by the fact that both sides have a few bad people on them.
1st Dec '17 2:56:07 PM MisterTambourineMan
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* The anime ''Manga/{{Shiki}}'' has this big time. The show is supposed to be a morally gray spin on the vampire genre where both sides could be considered in the wrong and there is no real good or evil side. It is a simple battle of two species who cannot coexist. Both sides end up doing horrible things by the end of the show just to protect their species and community from destruction. Despite this being somewhat clear [[FanDumb many people don't get this (the entire point of the series)]] and seem to act like one side is clearly good and the other is pure evil. The Shiki supporters tend to be more self aware but the human supporters are down right militant with their view of the Shiki being pure evil and the humans being fully justified. They will even claim that the holocaust of the Shiki at the end of the show was perfectly justified while the Shiki feeding on the humans to survive is complete, pitch black, evil. The show seems to be too intelligently written for the typical audience that views anime though so the show's nuanced morality may go over the heads of most. This is not helped by the fact that both sides have a few bad people on them.

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* The anime ''Manga/{{Shiki}}'' has this big time. The show is supposed to be a morally gray spin on the vampire genre where both sides could be considered in the wrong and there is no real good or evil side. It is a simple battle of two species who cannot coexist. Both sides end up doing horrible things by the end of the show just to protect their species and community from destruction. Despite this being somewhat clear [[FanDumb many people don't get this (the entire point of the series)]] and seem to act like one side is clearly good and the other is pure evil. The Shiki supporters tend to be more self aware but the human supporters are down right militant with their view of the Shiki being pure evil and the humans being fully justified. They will even claim that the holocaust of the Shiki at the end of the show was perfectly justified while the Shiki feeding on the humans to survive is complete, pitch black, evil. The show seems to be too intelligently written for the typical audience that views anime though so the show's nuanced morality may go over the heads of most. This is not helped by the fact that both sides have a few bad people on them.
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