History MisaimedFandom / AnimeAndManga

*** Even further, you have the opposite of this debate, The Federation, which during Mobile Suit Gundam was well enough, but in Zeta and onward, only became more and more malicious, in fact, they didn't "become" in the sense that they went from good to evil, no, through the telling of Zeta Gundam and through "Inbetweenquels" like 0083, we find out that the Federation has been massively corrupt since before Zeon's first attack. But like Zeon, it was their leaders who were corrupt, and a few [[AxeCrazy whackjobs]] in between, with the most of their soldiers being rather noble fellows. Despite this, you'll have fans of the Federation who tend to forget The [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Titans]], who were specifically based on the Schutzstaffel. Basically, Tomino was very much a fan of GreyAndGreyMorality.
**** And ''then'' you have the people who think that, because of the above, there ''is'' no "good guy" and everyone's actions are more or less equally valid -- completely ignoring the fact that the main characters are always the righteous crusaders fighting for peace and justice against a CardCarryingVillain bent on WorldDomination. Just because the rank and file might not be mind-numbingly evil doesn't mean that their actions are justified -- they're still supporting an evil cause.

** Not to mention how the majority of fans see Kamina as a MemeticBadass and swear that he's the most powerful member of the team. Sure, he [[BadassCape looks]] [[CoolShades cool]], and he's HotBlooded in a series that already oozes Hot Blood, but [[spoiler:it's supposed to be a ''facade'' he puts on to motivate his comapanions, and he's actually useless on his own - in fact, he died because he went into battle alone. Even he admits it when he temporarily comes BackFromTheDead.]]

* The ending of the ''MermaidMelodyPichiPichiPitch'' manga was supposed to insinuate that love wasn't as important as personal fulfillment: Hanon and Rina know they will eventually have to choose to rule their kingdoms instead of staying on the surface. (This is analogous to the original ''TheLittleMermaid'' story, except Lucia gets to keep Kaito.) Fans [[DisContinuity generally ignore this]] and give them future children with Nagisa and Hamasaki (Masahiro).

* ''DeathNote'' fans who root for Light even through his most callous casualties and perceive him as the god proxy he touts himself as [[spoiler:(as opposed to the insane serial killer Near paints him as)]] is this, as in Death Note 13, both creators say they consider Light to be evil. The infamous "Manga Murder" case (in which a Belgian man murdered people whose names he wrote in a "Death Note" replica, presumably imitating Light) is the Most Triumphant Example of this possible MisaimedFandom. That said, there are SOME who [[RootingForTheEmpire cheer him on because he's so brilliantly twisted and evil]] who don't qualify here, but for those who ''actually believe'' he's TheHero....they ''definately'' qualify here.

** Gurren Lagann is split into four different Parts. It can be argued that Kamina is the main protagonist of Part I. However, it's unquestionable that Simon is the main protagonist of Parts II-IV. The fact that Simon is the main protagonist for three parts to Kamina's one part more than solidifies his status as the main character.
** Considering Kamina's role as the DecoyProtagonist, it's somewhat understandable why fans would consider him the main character after he [[SpotlightStealingSquad stole the first eight episodes]], [[MagneticHero attracted the]] {{Nakama}}, had a [[WellDoneSonGuy poignant motivation]], and [[spoiler:completely averted ForgottenFallenFriend by virtue of his posthumous influence over the other characters, and consistent references to his untimely death up until the end of the series]]. By the same token, they should remember how much of Kamina's screentime was spent [[TheObiWan mentoring Simon on how to be a man]], reminding him that [[TheChosenOne his drill would pierce the heavens]], or [[TooDumbToLive acting like a jackass]].

** Not to mention how the majority of fans see Kamina as a MemeticBadass. Sure, he [[BadassCape looks]] [[CoolShades cool]], and he's HotBlooded in a series that already oozes Hot Blood, but [[spoiler:it's supposed to be a ''facade'' he puts on to motivate his comapanions, and he's actually useless on his own - in fact, he died because he went into battle alone. Even he admits it when he temporarily comes BackFromTheDead.]]

** Not to mention how the majority of fans see Kamina as a MemeticBadass. Sure, he looks cool, and he's HotBlooded in a series that already oozes Hot Blood, but [[spoiler:it's supposed to be a ''facade'' he puts on to motivate his comapanions, and he's actually useless on his own - in fact, he died because he went into battle alone. Even he admits it when he temporarily comes BackFromTheDead.]]

** Over the course of the anime/manga, there are fans who still view Seto Kaiba as TheWoobie, even though he's long since become self reliant, and that [[RonTheDeathEater Yugi and his friends are jerks who don't understand what he's been through]], or fawn over Kaiba's {{Badass}} traits so much that they will [[DracoInLeatherPants overlook or pardon]] his JerkAss moments. Even the Toei staff working on the anime [[SpotlightStealingSquad seems to feel this way.]] In the manga though, it ''should'' be clear that outside his few redemptive moments, Kaiba's behavior should not be idolized or emulated.

* ''DeathNote'' fans who root for Light even through his most callous casualties and perceive him as the god proxy he touts himself as [[spoiler:(as opposed to the insane serial killer Near paints him as)]] is this, as in Death Note 13, both creators say they consider Light to be evil. The infamous "Manga Murder" case (in which a Belgian man murdered people whose names he wrote in a "Death Note" replica, presumably imitating Light) is the MostTriumphantExample of this possible MisaimedFandom. That said, there are SOME who [[RootingForTheEmpire cheer him on because he's so brilliantly twisted and evil]] who don't qualify here, but for those who ''actually believe'' he's TheHero....

* ''DeathNote'' fans who root for Light even through his most callous casualties and perceive him as the god proxy he touts himself as [[spoiler:(as opposed to the insane serial killer Near paints him as)]] is this, as in Death Note 13, both creators say they consider Light to be evil. The infamous "Manga Murder" case (in which a Belgian man murdered people whose names he wrote in a "Death Note" replica, presumably imitating Light) is the MostTriumphantExample of this possible MisaimedFandom.
** Not quite. Few Light fans root for him out of a belief that he is thoroughly good. Rather it is out of enjoyment for his [[MagnificentBastard brilliant plans]], sympathy for his [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]], or appreciation for his [[RoundedCharacter character depth]].

** Recently, there has been a large InternetBacklash against the people who consider Kamina to be the main character. These [[strike:trolls]] people are mostly considered [[FanDumb moronic bandwagon jumpers]] whereas most fans of the series acknowledge that Simon is the main character.

** Not quite. Few Light fans root for him out of a belief that he is thoroughly good. Rather it is out of enjoyment for his [[MagnificentBastard brilliant plans]], sympathy for his [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]], or appreciation for his [[RoundedCharacter character depth]]. Contrast this to [[EstrogenBrigadeBait why some people like L or Mello]] and liking Light isn't so silly. Besides, Death Note seems to be made with a more nihilistic viewpoint; everyone, regardless of morality, dies. So it's rather unlikely that Light represents someone that we are supposed to hate.

* ''{{Pokemon}}'' has gone this way more than once. People like Paul and Gary have gotten sizable fanbases, even though for most of his runtime on the show Gary was an arrogant JerkAss and Paul treats his Pokémon like scum even after they win.

*** Sasuke was ([[YourMilageMayVary give or take]]) sympathetic. Up until [[spoiler:he tried to kill Karin because she was of no use to him, and resolved to destroy Konoha because they're happiness comes from Itachi's sacrifice. Itachi did what he did for the sake of Konoha, and Sasuke is fully aware of this. He has now crossed the MoralEventHorizon. This makes the position of those who see him as cool a little, well... it suggests they may be better off not being part of society.

** Not quite. Few Light fans root for him out of a belief that he is thoroughly good. Rather it is out of enjoyment for his [[MagnificentBastard brilliant plans]], sympathy for his [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]], or appreciation for his [[RoundedCharacter character depth]]. Contrast this to [[Adorkable why some people like L]] or [[Bishonen Mello]] and liking Light isn't so silly. Besides, Death Note seems to be made with a more nihilistic viewpoint; everyone, regardless of morality, dies. So it's rather unlikely that Light represents someone that we are supposed to hate.

** Not quite. Few Light fans root for him out of a belief that he is thoroughly good. Rather it is out of enjoyment for his [[MagnificentBastard brilliant plans]], sympathy for his [[WellIntentionedExtremist intentions]], or appreciation for his [[RoundedCharacter character depth]]. Contrast this to [[Adorkable why some people like L]] [[Bishonen or Mello]] and liking Light isn't so silly. Besides, Death Note seems to be made with a more nihilistic viewpoint; everyone, regardless of morality, dies. So it's rather unlikely that Light represents someone that we are supposed to hate.

* ''DeathNote'' fans who root for Light even through his most callous casualties and perceive him as the god proxy he touts himself as [[spoiler:(as opposed to the insane serial killer Near paints him as)]] is this, as in Death Note 13, both creators say they consider Light to be evil. The infamous "Manga Murder" case (in which a Belgian man murdered people whose names he wrote in a "Death Note" replica, presumably imitating Light) is the MostTriumphantExample of this possible MisaimedFandom.

*** Sasuke was ([[YourMilageMayVary give or take]]) sympathetic. Up until [[spoiler:he tried to kill Karin because she was of no use to him, and resolved to destroy Konoha because they're happiness comes from Itachi's sacrifice. Itachi did what he did for the sake of Konoha, and Sasuke is fully aware of this. He has now crossed into [[CompleteMonster Complete Monsterhood]]]]. This makes the position of those who see him as cool a little, well... it suggests they may be better off not being part of society.

*** In a way, since he influenced Simon more than Simon influenced him, then yes. BUT...really, asking which is more important is like asking which is heavier, a ton of feathers or a ton of bricks. Without Simon the universe would have been destroyed by the Ati-Spirals, and without Kamina to teach him and be his ObiWan, Simon would have wasted all of his potential and power digging worthless holes. Kamina is the most important character in the sense he made Simon the man he is, and Simon saved the universe ''in his memory''; Simon is the hero and main character of the series, period, no discussion, and the whole series is built around his quest to become the most powerful spiral warrior. So then, no. And then again if anything though you could genuinely argue that ''Yoko'' Is the most important character since she brough them together, taught them how to use the giant robots, and this led to the rebellion that eventually saved the universe. The real, straight answer is that Simon is the ''[[TheHero main character]]'', Kamina is the clear ''[[ObiWan main protagonist]]'', and Yoko is the [[TeamMom Best Supporting Actress]] in a [[MostCommonSuperpower Busty Role]]. Which is more "important" is purely subjective--individually none of them would have accomplished anything on their own. Gee...you'd almost think they were [[{{Nakama}} some kind of family unit...]]
**** With that logic, you could argue that ''Lordgenome'' is the most important character, which he obviously isn't. It just doesn't hold water.

** In both an example of Misaimed Fandom and CompletelyMissingThePoint, ''[[WolfsRain Wolf's Rain]]'' happens to be a social and religious allegory. The fangirls ignore this in favor of fawning over how [[{{Bishounen}} pretty the wolves are]].

** In both an example of Misaimed Fandom and CompletelyMissingThePoint, ''[[WolfsRain Wolf's Rain]] happens to be a social and religious allegory. The fangirls ignore this in favor of fawning over how [[{{Bishounen}} pretty the wolves are]].

** WolfsRain is a social and religious allegory. This is ignored by the fangirls.

* ''{{Pokemon}}'' has gone this way more than once. People like Paul and Gary have gotten sizable fanbases, even though for most of his runtime on the show Gary was an arrogant JerkAss and Paul treats his Pokemon like scum even after they win.
** You can catch Pokemon from their natural habitats, brainwash them with your magic poke balls, and then make them fight each other, but hurting their feelings is a big no no.
** The fans like Paul because he is like them.

* ''OuranHighSchoolHostClub'' was intended to make fun of the school romance''/''[[BlueBishonenGhetto bishounen harem]] genre. [[IndecisiveParody It includes many common character and plot tropes]]; however, many fans [[CompletelyMissingThePoint don't seem to realize or care]] that the tropes are ''not'' being played straight. Other fangirls are capable of self-deprecation. Still others see it as the best of both worlds, with the cuteness of a romantic comedy and the funnier humor of an AffectionateParody. [[hottip:* : It's your GuiltyPleasures without the guilt!]] It's not like Ouran is serious, anyway.
* With ''SerialExperimentsLain'', producer Yasuyuki Ueda hoped to stir a "cultural war" (seriously) between traditional Japanese and American values, due to the latter's perceived negative influence on post-WWII Japan. His hope with Lain was to create a story that would be interpreted differently in the East and West and spark discussions on their cultural differences and perspectives. American fans interpreted the plot the same way as Japanese fans, which suggests that either Lain wasn't ''enough'' of a MindScrew for his purposes, or Americans and Japanese are [[NotSoDifferent not that different at all]]...

** DieForOurShip might have something to do with Anzu's case, though.
** Over the course of the anime/manga, there are fans who still view Seto Kaiba as TheWoobie, even though he's long since become self reliant, and that [[RonTheDeathEater Yugi and his friends are jerks who don't understand what he's been through]], and/or fawn over his {{Badass}} traits to the point where they will [[DracoInLeatherPants overlook if not outright pardon]] his JerkAss moments. Even the Toei staff working on the anime [[SpotlightStealingSquad seems to take up this attitude!]] The way Takahashi portrays Kaiba in the manga though, it's clear that outside his few redemptive moments, his behavior should not be idolized or emulated.

** Some fans have intelligent criticism of the series' [[ThouShaltNotKill simplistic take on morality and violence]]--but a lot really do just seem [[CompletelyMissingThePoint to think it'd be cooler if Kenshin would kill people]], or [[JustHereForGodzilla don't really care]].
** This could actually be a case of the author predicting this kind of outcome from the fans, as he included an in-universe example of this viewpoint: [[{{Badass}} Saitou Hajime]], of course. He not only thinks it'd be better if Kenshin reverted to his old ways, he's always trying to force him to do so. And when Kenshin finally resolves his last issue with his past, Saitou rejects his challenge because he was searching for something that Kenshin can no longer provide.

** But, since the heroes of [[WolfsRain Wolf's Rain]] are wolves, their ethical codes are necessarily different from human ones.

** The fact that Wolf'sRain is actually a social and religious allegory and that this is ignored by the fangirls could also count for this trope