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->'''Police Sergeant Deegan''': Ah, this reminds me of Vietnam...\\
'''Father Ted''': You were in Vietnam, sergeant?\\
'''Police Sergeant Deegan''': No, no, I mean the films!
-->-- ''Series/FatherTed''

In RealLife, the study of war is a complex and difficult academic and practical discipline. Every contemporary military runs academies (such as [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks West Point]] and [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Sandhurst]]) to train young officers in the art of war. This training touches upon numerous fields including psychology, sociology, politics, intelligence, logistics, tactics, operations, and strategy - and uses historical case studies as varied as the campaigns of UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar, UsefulNotes/TheDukeOfWellington, and [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets Konstantin Rokossovsky]]. At the end of several years the officer cadet is at the very least not IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance in these sub-fields of the study of war, and aware of the fact that becoming an expert in any one of them can take a lifetime.

...unless you're ''this guy''.

The [=YouTube=] War Expert is a self-proclaimed expert in all aspects of war studies. Yes, ''all'' of them. How did they become an expert, you ask? Well, they read a book. Maybe even ''several''.

The trope name itself comes from that fact that it is almost impossible to post a military-related video on Website/YouTube without the comment section being flooded by this persona. Most Website/YouTube War Expert (YTWE) debate will degenerate into proclamations of the superiority of a particular weapon or military. If about weapons, it will degenerate into technical detail despite the fact that actual soldiers are far more concerned with the context of a weapon's use (force ratios, ammunition, other weapons systems in use, etc) and the quality of its users. E.g.:

# Accuracy - "Y isn't worth anything when X can hit you between the eyes while you're trying to get close."
# Cost - "Y may be good, but a hundred soldiers with X would beat one soldier with Y."
# Killing / Penetrating Power - "X could drop you with 1 shot / go straight through armor that would stop Y."
# Range - "X could drop you from twice the distance Y can."
# Reliability - "Lets see how well Y works after a month in a swamp. X would still work just fine."

These can and will be applied to anything from knives to pistols to helicopter gunships. And don't expect actual situations to be a good counter argument; if something won't work from 10k away fired one handed during a monsoon in the jungles of Borneo, it won't work in the safety of your air conditioned, dehumidified, synthetic-planted suburban home. The reverse is also true.

When about entire militaries the debate will inevitably centre on "technology", culture, and race. [[CulturalPosturing "Technological", cultural, and racial posturing]] almost inevitably ensues, and often seguing quite neatly into general debates about cultural and racial degeneracy/supremacy. The two different levels of this posturing are:

* Reductionism: the outcome of whole battles, campaigns, or wars was largely decided by a single factor.
* Determinism: the outcome of whole battles, campaigns, or wars was ''completely'' decided by a single factor.

Particularly common is the tendency to see armed conflict as a form of CultureClash in which the victor's race or culture is clearly vindicated as 'superior'.

All these debates tend to be fairly circular; thusly they almost inevitably devolve into yelling, [[AdHominem insults]], [[InternetToughGuy death threats,]] and [[GodwinsLaw comparisons to Hitler/Stalin/Mao]].

[=YouTube=] War Experts usually come in one of several distinct breeds:

* Fanboy - Obsessed with a particular weapon or set of weapons. Will often shoehorn them into an discussion regardless of relevance - interrupting a debate on shotguns to tell everyone how they're all inferior to their beloved assault rifle, on account of its range. They can also be obsessed with a certain person, and argues that they were the best general ever.
* Feature Freak - Obsessed with one of the common debate factors listed above, crusading tirelessly to declare that that particular trait is the be-all and end-all of warfare.
* Nationalist - Obsessed with constantly defending a particular nation's military establishment, while belittling all others over the fact they would certainly lose an actual war because their favorite nation has the best at everything, even when their claims are contradictory.
* Anti-Nationalist - The equal and opposite counterpart of the Nationalist; obsessed with constantly tearing down one other particular nation at all costs. Typical based on 50+-year-old rivalries - US attacking Chinese and Warsaw Pact, British attack their former colonies (especially America and India), Japan attacking Korea and China, Germany and France attacking each other.
* Arms Master - Obsessed not with modern weapons, but with medieval ones. This is an easy specialty, since there's almost no chance of an actual conflict providing hard data against your claim, so the argument can be decided purely on sophistry and CAPSLOCK use. Usual overlaps with one of the other categories:
** Fanboy - Try to convince a pole-arm fan that there was ever any situation, including assassinations and tunnel fighting, that there wasn't a glaive variant that was the indisputably best weapon always everywhere forever amen.
** Nationalist - a good percentage of Arms Masters insist that Renaissance-era Switzerland could have conquered the whole world all in one go if they had felt like it. Or the Mongols if the Great Khan hadn't died when he did.
** Anti-Nationalist - Mention katana just about anywhere, and watch the doctorate-thesis grade rants roll in on how Japanese weapons were either more finely built than the "dull steel clubs" that European swords were, or how they couldn't have scratched even the worst of European armor, while even the worst European weapons would go through any Japanese armor like a chainsaw through warm butter.
* InternetToughGuy - These two personas are a common crossover. [=ITGs=] will obsess over the biggest, studliest weapons in a category - 12-gauge shotguns, napalm bombs, big stonking two-handed greatswords, those artillery cannons that shoot tactical nukes - while constantly peppering all discussions, including those about pastry baking, with impulsive and manly terms like 'Alpha Strike', 'Blitzkrieg', 'Lethality Radius', and 'Maximum Overkill'. Expect any disagreement to be met with "How 'bout I come to your house and see what you say when you're staring down the barrel of X."
** A variant is the '''Internet Gun Expert''', who knows all about which weapon has better characteristics. Why? Because he owns them all, sleeps with his USMC regulations book ([[MilesGloriosus he will rarely have been in the military]]) in one arm and his "Barret.50CAL" ([[CompensatingForSomething he hunts white tails with it]]) in the other, and wishes for the day a home-invader will meet his [[CriticalResearchFailure Jackhammer full of incendiary flechette rounds]] and his [[BlatantLies 'Nam experience with the 3rd SOG]]. Naturally, such people seldom live up to the claims they make for themselves, and especially amusing is when they claim to own weapons or ammunition illegal in their point of origin. Another type is the '''Internet Vet''' who fondly reminisces about firing X weapon when they were in the military, or his service in Battle/War X, safe in the knowledge that no-one will be able to verify such grandiose claims[[note]]This isn't to say that everyone claiming to be a veteran on the internet is lying, of course, but generally, if it seems like the "'Stan vet"'s only experience of warfare is playing FirstPersonShooter games, that is probably [[PhonyVeteran because it is]][[/note]].
* Technophiles - Technophiles are the heralds of the bleeding edge of battlefield technology, and place high-tech above all other considerations. They're most noticeable around settings with SchizoTech, complaining about inconsistencies created by a weapon prototype announced a week ago and asking things along the lines of 'Why don't they just NukeEm?' And they won't take a legitimate in-universe explanation for an answer. The most dedicated will write "Setting vs Real World" fanfics which mainly just consist of "Iconic thing from Setting shows up, then CRUISE MISSILES!" Repeat until the entire universe has been cruise missile'd to death, then drop a nuke or fuel-air bomb just to be safe.

These types of people are sometimes known as "mall ninjas", after [[http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/ an internet discussion]] involving someone claiming to be a mall security guard that [[PoesLaw may or may not]] have been {{troll}}ing.

Also note that there are plenty of [=YouTubers=] who cover Military History who aren't "[=YouTube=] War Experts"; either they are aware of their limitations and are more or less open about them, or they actually are experts in the field. Again, the name comes from the [=YouTube=] comments section, which is largely described by the phrase "[[SturgeonsLaw Sturgeon]] was way too optimistic".

Compare and contrast ArmchairMilitary.

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->'''Police Sergeant Deegan''': Ah, this reminds me of Vietnam...\\
'''Father Ted''': You were in Vietnam, sergeant?\\
'''Police Sergeant Deegan''': No, no, I mean the films!
-->-- ''Series/FatherTed''

In RealLife, the study of war is a complex and difficult academic and practical discipline. Every contemporary military runs academies (such as [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks West Point]] and [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Sandhurst]]) to train young officers in the art of war. This training touches upon numerous fields including psychology, sociology, politics, intelligence, logistics, tactics, operations, and strategy - and uses historical case studies as varied as the campaigns of UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar, UsefulNotes/TheDukeOfWellington, and [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets Konstantin Rokossovsky]]. At the end of several years the officer cadet is at the very least not IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance in these sub-fields of the study of war, and aware of the fact that becoming an expert in any one of them can take a lifetime.

...unless you're ''this guy''.

The [=YouTube=] War Expert is a self-proclaimed expert in all aspects of war studies. Yes, ''all'' of them. How did they become an expert, you ask? Well, they read a book. Maybe even ''several''.

The trope name itself comes from that fact that it is almost impossible to post a military-related video on Website/YouTube without the comment section being flooded by this persona. Most Website/YouTube War Expert (YTWE) debate will degenerate into proclamations of the superiority of a particular weapon or military. If about weapons, it will degenerate into technical detail despite the fact that actual soldiers are far more concerned with the context of a weapon's use (force ratios, ammunition, other weapons systems in use, etc) and the quality of its users. E.g.:

# Accuracy - "Y isn't worth anything when X can hit you between the eyes while you're trying to get close."
# Cost - "Y may be good, but a hundred soldiers with X would beat one soldier with Y."
# Killing / Penetrating Power - "X could drop you with 1 shot / go straight through armor that would stop Y."
# Range - "X could drop you from twice the distance Y can."
# Reliability - "Lets see how well Y works after a month in a swamp. X would still work just fine."

These can and will be applied to anything from knives to pistols to helicopter gunships. And don't expect actual situations to be a good counter argument; if something won't work from 10k away fired one handed during a monsoon in the jungles of Borneo, it won't work in the safety of your air conditioned, dehumidified, synthetic-planted suburban home. The reverse is also true.

When about entire militaries the debate will inevitably centre on "technology", culture, and race. [[CulturalPosturing "Technological", cultural, and racial posturing]] almost inevitably ensues, and often seguing quite neatly into general debates about cultural and racial degeneracy/supremacy. The two different levels of this posturing are:

* Reductionism: the outcome of whole battles, campaigns, or wars was largely decided by a single factor.
* Determinism: the outcome of whole battles, campaigns, or wars was ''completely'' decided by a single factor.

Particularly common is the tendency to see armed conflict as a form of CultureClash in which the victor's race or culture is clearly vindicated as 'superior'.

All these debates tend to be fairly circular; thusly they almost inevitably devolve into yelling, [[AdHominem insults]], [[InternetToughGuy death threats,]] and [[GodwinsLaw comparisons to Hitler/Stalin/Mao]].

[=YouTube=] War Experts usually come in one of several distinct breeds:

* Fanboy - Obsessed with a particular weapon or set of weapons. Will often shoehorn them into an discussion regardless of relevance - interrupting a debate on shotguns to tell everyone how they're all inferior to their beloved assault rifle, on account of its range. They can also be obsessed with a certain person, and argues that they were the best general ever.
* Feature Freak - Obsessed with one of the common debate factors listed above, crusading tirelessly to declare that that particular trait is the be-all and end-all of warfare.
* Nationalist - Obsessed with constantly defending a particular nation's military establishment, while belittling all others over the fact they would certainly lose an actual war because their favorite nation has the best at everything, even when their claims are contradictory.
* Anti-Nationalist - The equal and opposite counterpart of the Nationalist; obsessed with constantly tearing down one other particular nation at all costs. Typical based on 50+-year-old rivalries - US attacking Chinese and Warsaw Pact, British attack their former colonies (especially America and India), Japan attacking Korea and China, Germany and France attacking each other.
* Arms Master - Obsessed not with modern weapons, but with medieval ones. This is an easy specialty, since there's almost no chance of an actual conflict providing hard data against your claim, so the argument can be decided purely on sophistry and CAPSLOCK use. Usual overlaps with one of the other categories:
** Fanboy - Try to convince a pole-arm fan that there was ever any situation, including assassinations and tunnel fighting, that there wasn't a glaive variant that was the indisputably best weapon always everywhere forever amen.
** Nationalist - a good percentage of Arms Masters insist that Renaissance-era Switzerland could have conquered the whole world all in one go if they had felt like it. Or the Mongols if the Great Khan hadn't died when he did.
** Anti-Nationalist - Mention katana just about anywhere, and watch the doctorate-thesis grade rants roll in on how Japanese weapons were either more finely built than the "dull steel clubs" that European swords were, or how they couldn't have scratched even the worst of European armor, while even the worst European weapons would go through any Japanese armor like a chainsaw through warm butter.
* InternetToughGuy - These two personas are a common crossover. [=ITGs=] will obsess over the biggest, studliest weapons in a category - 12-gauge shotguns, napalm bombs, big stonking two-handed greatswords, those artillery cannons that shoot tactical nukes - while constantly peppering all discussions, including those about pastry baking, with impulsive and manly terms like 'Alpha Strike', 'Blitzkrieg', 'Lethality Radius', and 'Maximum Overkill'. Expect any disagreement to be met with "How 'bout I come to your house and see what you say when you're staring down the barrel of X."
** A variant is the '''Internet Gun Expert''', who knows all about which weapon has better characteristics. Why? Because he owns them all, sleeps with his USMC regulations book ([[MilesGloriosus he will rarely have been in the military]]) in one arm and his "Barret.50CAL" ([[CompensatingForSomething he hunts white tails with it]]) in the other, and wishes for the day a home-invader will meet his [[CriticalResearchFailure Jackhammer full of incendiary flechette rounds]] and his [[BlatantLies 'Nam experience with the 3rd SOG]]. Naturally, such people seldom live up to the claims they make for themselves, and especially amusing is when they claim to own weapons or ammunition illegal in their point of origin. Another type is the '''Internet Vet''' who fondly reminisces about firing X weapon when they were in the military, or his service in Battle/War X, safe in the knowledge that no-one will be able to verify such grandiose claims[[note]]This isn't to say that everyone claiming to be a veteran on the internet is lying, of course, but generally, if it seems like the "'Stan vet"'s only experience of warfare is playing FirstPersonShooter games, that is probably [[PhonyVeteran because it is]][[/note]].
* Technophiles - Technophiles are the heralds of the bleeding edge of battlefield technology, and place high-tech above all other considerations. They're most noticeable around settings with SchizoTech, complaining about inconsistencies created by a weapon prototype announced a week ago and asking things along the lines of 'Why don't they just NukeEm?' And they won't take a legitimate in-universe explanation for an answer. The most dedicated will write "Setting vs Real World" fanfics which mainly just consist of "Iconic thing from Setting shows up, then CRUISE MISSILES!" Repeat until the entire universe has been cruise missile'd to death, then drop a nuke or fuel-air bomb just to be safe.

These types of people are sometimes known as "mall ninjas", after [[http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/ an internet discussion]] involving someone claiming to be a mall security guard that [[PoesLaw may or may not]] have been {{troll}}ing.

Also note that there are plenty of [=YouTubers=] who cover Military History who aren't "[=YouTube=] War Experts"; either they are aware of their limitations and are more or less open about them, or they actually are experts in the field. Again, the name comes from the [=YouTube=] comments section, which is largely described by the phrase "[[SturgeonsLaw Sturgeon]] was way too optimistic".

Compare and contrast ArmchairMilitary.

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* Fanboy - Obsessed with a particular weapon or set of weapons. Will often shoehorn them into an discussion regardless of relevance - interrupting a debate on shotguns to tell everyone how they're all inferior to his beloved assault rifle, on account of its range. They can also be obsessed with a certain person, and argues that they were the best general ever.

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* Fanboy - Obsessed with a particular weapon or set of weapons. Will often shoehorn them into an discussion regardless of relevance - interrupting a debate on shotguns to tell everyone how they're all inferior to his their beloved assault rifle, on account of its range. They can also be obsessed with a certain person, and argues that they were the best general ever.
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Also note that there are plenty of YouTubers who cover Military History who aren't "[=YouTube=] War Experts"; either they are aware of their limitations and are more or less open about them, or they actually are experts in the field. Again, the name comes from the [=YouTube=] comments section, which is largely described by the phrase "[[SturgeonsLaw Sturgeon]] was way too optimistic".

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Also note that there are plenty of YouTubers [=YouTubers=] who cover Military History who aren't "[=YouTube=] War Experts"; either they are aware of their limitations and are more or less open about them, or they actually are experts in the field. Again, the name comes from the [=YouTube=] comments section, which is largely described by the phrase "[[SturgeonsLaw Sturgeon]] was way too optimistic".
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Also note that there are plenty of YouTubers who cover Military History who aren't "[=YouTube=] War Experts"; either they are aware of their limitations and are more or less open about them, or they actually are experts in the field. Again, the name comes from the [=YouTube=] comments section, which is largely described by the phrase "[[SturgeonsLaw Sturgeon]] was way too optimistic".
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** A variant is the '''Internet Gun Expert''', who knows all about which weapon has better characteristics. Why? Because he owns them all, sleeps with his USMC regulations book ([[MilesGloriosus he will rarely have been in the military]]) in one arm and his "Barret.50CAL" ([[CompensatingForSomething he hunts white tails with it]]) in the other, and wishes for the day a home-invader will meet his [[CriticalResearchFailure Jackhammer full of incendiary flechette rounds]] and his [[BlatantLies 'Nam experience with the 3rd SOG]]. Naturally, such people seldom live up to the claims they make for themselves, and especially amusing is when they claim to own weapons or ammunition illegal in their point of origin. Another type is the '''Internet Vet''' who fondly reminisces about firing X weapon when they were in the military, or his service in Battle/War X, safe in the knowledge that no-one will be able to verify such grandiose claims[[note]]This isn't to say that everyone claiming to be a veteran on the internet is lying, of course, but generally, if it seems like the "'Stan vet"'s only experience of warfare is playing FirstPersonShooter games, that is probably because it is[[/note]].

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** A variant is the '''Internet Gun Expert''', who knows all about which weapon has better characteristics. Why? Because he owns them all, sleeps with his USMC regulations book ([[MilesGloriosus he will rarely have been in the military]]) in one arm and his "Barret.50CAL" ([[CompensatingForSomething he hunts white tails with it]]) in the other, and wishes for the day a home-invader will meet his [[CriticalResearchFailure Jackhammer full of incendiary flechette rounds]] and his [[BlatantLies 'Nam experience with the 3rd SOG]]. Naturally, such people seldom live up to the claims they make for themselves, and especially amusing is when they claim to own weapons or ammunition illegal in their point of origin. Another type is the '''Internet Vet''' who fondly reminisces about firing X weapon when they were in the military, or his service in Battle/War X, safe in the knowledge that no-one will be able to verify such grandiose claims[[note]]This isn't to say that everyone claiming to be a veteran on the internet is lying, of course, but generally, if it seems like the "'Stan vet"'s only experience of warfare is playing FirstPersonShooter games, that is probably [[PhonyVeteran because it is[[/note]].is]][[/note]].
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All these debates tend to be fairly circular; thusly they almost inevitably devolve into yelling, [[AdHominem insults]], [[InternetToughGuy death threats,]] [[GodwinsLaw and comparisons to Hitler/Stalin/Mao]].

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All these debates tend to be fairly circular; thusly they almost inevitably devolve into [[AdHominem yelling, insults, death threats,]] [[GodwinsLaw and comparisons to Hitler/Stalin/Mao]].

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All these debates tend to be fairly circular; thusly they almost inevitably devolve into yelling, [[AdHominem yelling, insults, insults]], [[InternetToughGuy death threats,]] [[GodwinsLaw and comparisons to Hitler/Stalin/Mao]].
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The trope name itself comes from that fact that it is almost impossible to post a military-related video on Website/YouTube without the comment section being flooded by this persona. Most YouTube War Expert (YTWE) debate will degenerate into proclamations of the superiority of a particular weapon or military. If about weapons, it will degenerate into technical detail despite the fact that actual soldiers are far more concerned with the context of a weapon's use (force ratios, ammunition, other weapons systems in use, etc) and the quality of its users. E.g.:

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The trope name itself comes from that fact that it is almost impossible to post a military-related video on Website/YouTube without the comment section being flooded by this persona. Most YouTube Website/YouTube War Expert (YTWE) debate will degenerate into proclamations of the superiority of a particular weapon or military. If about weapons, it will degenerate into technical detail despite the fact that actual soldiers are far more concerned with the context of a weapon's use (force ratios, ammunition, other weapons systems in use, etc) and the quality of its users. E.g.:
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These types of people are sometimes known as "mall ninjas", after [[http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/ an internet discussion]] involving someone claiming to be a mall security guard that [[PoesLaw may or may not]] have been a StealthParody of this phenomenon (or simply a {{troll}}).

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These types of people are sometimes known as "mall ninjas", after [[http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/ an internet discussion]] involving someone claiming to be a mall security guard that [[PoesLaw may or may not]] have been a StealthParody of this phenomenon (or simply a {{troll}}).
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* Fanboy - Obsessed with a particular weapon or set of weapons. Will often shoehorn them into an discussion regardless of relevance - interrupting a debate on shotguns to tell everyone how they're all inferior to his beloved assault rifle, on account of its range. or obsessed with a certain person, and argues that they were the best general ever

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* Fanboy - Obsessed with a particular weapon or set of weapons. Will often shoehorn them into an discussion regardless of relevance - interrupting a debate on shotguns to tell everyone how they're all inferior to his beloved assault rifle, on account of its range. or They can also be obsessed with a certain person, and argues that they were the best general everever.



* Anti-Nationalist - The equal and opposite counterpart of the Nationalist; obsessed with constantly tearing down one other particular nation at all costs. Typical based on 50+-year-old rivalries - US attacking Chinese and Warsaw Pact, British attack their former colonies (especially America and India,) Japan attacking Korea and China, Germany and France attacking each other.

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* Anti-Nationalist - The equal and opposite counterpart of the Nationalist; obsessed with constantly tearing down one other particular nation at all costs. Typical based on 50+-year-old rivalries - US attacking Chinese and Warsaw Pact, British attack their former colonies (especially America and India,) India), Japan attacking Korea and China, Germany and France attacking each other.



** Fanboy - Try to convince a Pole-arm fan that there was ever any situation, including assassinations and tunnel fighting, that there wasn't a glaive variant that was the indisputably best weapon always everywhere forever amen.

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** Fanboy - Try to convince a Pole-arm pole-arm fan that there was ever any situation, including assassinations and tunnel fighting, that there wasn't a glaive variant that was the indisputably best weapon always everywhere forever amen.



* InternetToughGuy - These two personas are a common crossover. [=ITGs=] will obsess over the biggest, studliest weapons in a category - 12-gauge shotguns, napalm bombs, big stonking two-handed greatswords, those artillery cannons that shoot tactical nukes - while constantly peppering all discussions, including those about pastry baking, with impulsive and manly terms like 'Alpha Strike,' 'Blitzkrieg,' 'Lethality Radius,' and 'Maximum Overkill.' Expect any disagreement to be met with "How 'bout I come to your house and see what you say when you're staring down the barrel of X."

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* InternetToughGuy - These two personas are a common crossover. [=ITGs=] will obsess over the biggest, studliest weapons in a category - 12-gauge shotguns, napalm bombs, big stonking two-handed greatswords, those artillery cannons that shoot tactical nukes - while constantly peppering all discussions, including those about pastry baking, with impulsive and manly terms like 'Alpha Strike,' 'Blitzkrieg,' Strike', 'Blitzkrieg', 'Lethality Radius,' Radius', and 'Maximum Overkill.' Overkill'. Expect any disagreement to be met with "How 'bout I come to your house and see what you say when you're staring down the barrel of X."



* Technophiles - Technophiles are the heralds of the bleeding edge of battlefield technology, and place high-tech above all other considerations. They're most noticeable around settings with SchizoTech, complain about inconsistencies created by a weapon prototype announced a week ago and asking things along the lines of 'Why don't they just NukeEm?' And they won't take a legitimate in-universe explanation for an answer. The most dedicated will write "Setting vs Real World" fanfics which mainly just consist of "Iconic thing from Setting shows up, then CRUISE MISSILES!" Repeat until the entire universe has been cruise missile'd to death, then drop a nuke or fuel-air bomb just to be safe.

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* Technophiles - Technophiles are the heralds of the bleeding edge of battlefield technology, and place high-tech above all other considerations. They're most noticeable around settings with SchizoTech, complain complaining about inconsistencies created by a weapon prototype announced a week ago and asking things along the lines of 'Why don't they just NukeEm?' And they won't take a legitimate in-universe explanation for an answer. The most dedicated will write "Setting vs Real World" fanfics which mainly just consist of "Iconic thing from Setting shows up, then CRUISE MISSILES!" Repeat until the entire universe has been cruise missile'd to death, then drop a nuke or fuel-air bomb just to be safe.

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* Fanboy - Obsessed with a particular weapon or set of weapons. Will often shoehorn them into an discussion regardless of relevance - interrupting a debate on shotguns to tell everyone how they're all inferior to his beloved assault rifle, on account of its range.

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* Determinism: the outcome of whole battles, campaigns, or wars was completely decided by a single factor.

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* Determinism: the outcome of whole battles, campaigns, or wars was completely ''completely'' decided by a single factor.
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The trope name itself comes from that fact that it is almost impossible to post a military-related video on Website/YouTube without the comment section being flooded by this persona. Most YouTube War Expert (YTWE) debate will degenerate into proclamations of the superiority of a particular weapon or military. If about weapons, it will degenerate into technical detail despite the fact that, [[SarcasmMode bizarrely]], actual soldiers are far more concerned with the context of a weapon's use (force ratios, ammunition, other weapons systems in use, etc) and the quality of its users. E.g.:

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The trope name itself comes from that fact that it is almost impossible to post a military-related video on Website/YouTube without the comment section being flooded by this persona. Most YouTube War Expert (YTWE) debate will degenerate into proclamations of the superiority of a particular weapon or military. If about weapons, it will degenerate into technical detail despite the fact that, [[SarcasmMode bizarrely]], that actual soldiers are far more concerned with the context of a weapon's use (force ratios, ammunition, other weapons systems in use, etc) and the quality of its users. E.g.:



** Anti-Nationalist - Mention katanas just about anywhere, and watch the doctorate-thesis grade rants roll in on how Japanese weapons were either more finely built than the "dull steel clubs" that European swords were, or how they couldn't have scratched even the worst of European armor, while even the worst European weapons would go through any Japanese armor like a chainsaw through warm butter.

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** Anti-Nationalist - Mention katanas katana just about anywhere, and watch the doctorate-thesis grade rants roll in on how Japanese weapons were either more finely built than the "dull steel clubs" that European swords were, or how they couldn't have scratched even the worst of European armor, while even the worst European weapons would go through any Japanese armor like a chainsaw through warm butter.



** A variant is the '''Internet Gun Expert''', who knows all about which weapon has better characteristics. Why? Because he owns them all, sleeps with his USMC regulations book ([[MilesGloriosus he will almost never have been in the military]]) in one arm and his "Barret.50CAL" ([[CompensatingForSomething he hunts white tails with it]]) in the other, and wishes for the day a home-invader will meet his [[CriticalResearchFailure Jackhammer full of incendiary flechette rounds]] and his [[BlatantLies 'Nam experience with the 3rd SOG]]. Naturally, such people almost never live up to the claims they make for themselves, and especially amusing is when they claim to own weapons or ammunition illegal in their point of origin. Another type is the '''Internet Vet''' who fondly reminisces about firing X weapon when they were in the military, or his service in Battle/War X, safe in the knowledge that no-one will be able to verify such grandiose claims[[note]]This isn't to say that everyone claiming to be a veteran on the internet is lying, of course, but generally, if it seems like the "'Stan vet"'s only experience of warfare is playing FirstPersonShooter games, that is probably because it is[[/note]].

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** A variant is the '''Internet Gun Expert''', who knows all about which weapon has better characteristics. Why? Because he owns them all, sleeps with his USMC regulations book ([[MilesGloriosus he will almost never rarely have been in the military]]) in one arm and his "Barret.50CAL" ([[CompensatingForSomething he hunts white tails with it]]) in the other, and wishes for the day a home-invader will meet his [[CriticalResearchFailure Jackhammer full of incendiary flechette rounds]] and his [[BlatantLies 'Nam experience with the 3rd SOG]]. Naturally, such people almost never seldom live up to the claims they make for themselves, and especially amusing is when they claim to own weapons or ammunition illegal in their point of origin. Another type is the '''Internet Vet''' who fondly reminisces about firing X weapon when they were in the military, or his service in Battle/War X, safe in the knowledge that no-one will be able to verify such grandiose claims[[note]]This isn't to say that everyone claiming to be a veteran on the internet is lying, of course, but generally, if it seems like the "'Stan vet"'s only experience of warfare is playing FirstPersonShooter games, that is probably because it is[[/note]].
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->'''Sergeant Deegan'''[[note]]''Police'' Sergeant Deegan[[/note]]: Ah, this reminds me of Vietnam...\\

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->'''Sergeant Deegan'''[[note]]''Police'' ->'''Police Sergeant Deegan[[/note]]: Deegan''': Ah, this reminds me of Vietnam...\\



'''Sergeant Deegan''': No, no, I mean the films!
-->-- '''Series/FatherTed Crilly''' and '''Gardai Sergeant Deegan''', [[BizarroUniverse hunting a rabid]] [[ItMakesSenseInContext alcoholic]].

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'''Sergeant '''Police Sergeant Deegan''': No, no, I mean the films!
-->-- '''Series/FatherTed Crilly''' and '''Gardai Sergeant Deegan''', [[BizarroUniverse hunting a rabid]] [[ItMakesSenseInContext alcoholic]].
''Series/FatherTed''
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In RealLife, the study of war is a complex and difficult academic and practical discipline. Every contemporary military runs academies (such as [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks West Point]] and [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Sandhurst]]) to train young officers in the art of war. This training touches upon numerous fields including psychology, sociology, politics, intelligence, logistics, tactics, operations, and strategy - and uses historical case studies as varied as the campaigns of Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar, UsefulNotes/TheDukeOfWellington, and [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets Konstantin Rokossovsky]]. At the end of several years the officer cadet is at the very least not IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance in these sub-fields of the study of war, and aware of the fact that becoming an expert in any one of them can take a lifetime.

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In RealLife, the study of war is a complex and difficult academic and practical discipline. Every contemporary military runs academies (such as [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks West Point]] and [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Sandhurst]]) to train young officers in the art of war. This training touches upon numerous fields including psychology, sociology, politics, intelligence, logistics, tactics, operations, and strategy - and uses historical case studies as varied as the campaigns of Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar, UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar, UsefulNotes/TheDukeOfWellington, and [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets Konstantin Rokossovsky]]. At the end of several years the officer cadet is at the very least not IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance in these sub-fields of the study of war, and aware of the fact that becoming an expert in any one of them can take a lifetime.

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** Nationalist - a good percentage of Arms Masters insist that Renaissance-era Switzerland could have conquered the whole world all in one go if they had felt like it.
*** Or the Mongols if the Great Khan hadn't died when he did.

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** Nationalist - a good percentage of Arms Masters insist that Renaissance-era Switzerland could have conquered the whole world all in one go if they had felt like it.
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it. Or the Mongols if the Great Khan hadn't died when he did.
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The [=YouTube=] War Expert is a self-proclaimed expert in all aspects of war studies. Yes, ''all' of them. How did they become an expert, you ask? Well, they read a book. Maybe even ''several''.

The trope name itself comes from that fact that it is almost impossible to post a military-related video on Website/YouTube without the comment section being flooded by this persona. Most Youtube War Expert (YtWE) debate will degenerate into proclamations of the superiority of a particular weapon or military. If about weapons, it will degenerate into technical detail despite the fact that, [[SarcasmMode bizarrely]], actual soldiers are far more concerned with the context of a weapon's use (force ratios, ammunition, other weapons systems in use, etc) and the quality of its users. E.g.:

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The [=YouTube=] War Expert is a self-proclaimed expert in all aspects of war studies. Yes, ''all' ''all'' of them. How did they become an expert, you ask? Well, they read a book. Maybe even ''several''.

The trope name itself comes from that fact that it is almost impossible to post a military-related video on Website/YouTube without the comment section being flooded by this persona. Most Youtube YouTube War Expert (YtWE) (YTWE) debate will degenerate into proclamations of the superiority of a particular weapon or military. If about weapons, it will degenerate into technical detail despite the fact that, [[SarcasmMode bizarrely]], actual soldiers are far more concerned with the context of a weapon's use (force ratios, ammunition, other weapons systems in use, etc) and the quality of its users. E.g.:
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In RealLife, the study of war is a complex and difficult academic and practical discipline. Every conteporary military runs academies (such as [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks West Point]] and [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Sandhurst]]) to train young officers in the art of war. This training touches upon numerous fields (including psychology, sociology, politics, intelligence, logistics, tactics, operations, and strategy - and uses historical case studies as varied as the campaigns of Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar, UsefulNotes/TheDukeOfWellington, and [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets Konstantin Rokossovsky]]. At the end of several years the officer cadet is at the very least not IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance in these sub-fields of the study of war, and aware of the fact that becoming an expert in any one of them can take a lifetime.

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In RealLife, the study of war is a complex and difficult academic and practical discipline. Every conteporary contemporary military runs academies (such as [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks West Point]] and [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Sandhurst]]) to train young officers in the art of war. This training touches upon numerous fields (including including psychology, sociology, politics, intelligence, logistics, tactics, operations, and strategy - and uses historical case studies as varied as the campaigns of Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar, UsefulNotes/TheDukeOfWellington, and [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets Konstantin Rokossovsky]]. At the end of several years the officer cadet is at the very least not IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance in these sub-fields of the study of war, and aware of the fact that becoming an expert in any one of them can take a lifetime.

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In RealLife, the study of war is a complex and difficult academic and practical discipline. Every military runs academies to train young officers in the art of war, and a good part of this training is the study of battles and strategy. To give one an example of how vast this subject is, and the myriad factors that can affect the outcome of battles, places like [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks West Point]] and [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Sandhurst]] still study the battles of Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar or UsefulNotes/TheDukeOfWellington. With the millions of words written on the subject, it is fair to say that no-one can truly be said to know everything about war... ''except this guy!''

The [=YouTube=] War Expert is a particular kind of Internet know-it-all who claims to know all there is to know about weapons, tactics, and military history, often with few credentials beyond "I've read a lot of books about it." The name itself comes from that fact that it is almost impossible to post a military-related video on Website/YouTube without the comment section being flooded with this persona decrying the weapon on display. Most YTWE debate will consist of comparing two or more weapons, with each party insisting that whatever feature or trait their candidate has over the others is the ONLY THING that matters in combat; the typical ones being:

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In RealLife, the study of war is a complex and difficult academic and practical discipline. Every conteporary military runs academies to train young officers in the art of war, and a good part of this training is the study of battles and strategy. To give one an example of how vast this subject is, and the myriad factors that can affect the outcome of battles, places like (such as [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks West Point]] and [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Sandhurst]] still Sandhurst]]) to train young officers in the art of war. This training touches upon numerous fields (including psychology, sociology, politics, intelligence, logistics, tactics, operations, and strategy - and uses historical case studies as varied as the campaigns of Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar, UsefulNotes/TheDukeOfWellington, and [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets Konstantin Rokossovsky]]. At the end of several years the officer cadet is at the very least not IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance in these sub-fields of the study of war, and aware of the battles of Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar or UsefulNotes/TheDukeOfWellington. With the millions of words written on the subject, it is fair to say fact that no-one becoming an expert in any one of them can truly be said to know everything about war... ''except this guy!''

take a lifetime.

...unless you're ''this guy''.

The [=YouTube=] War Expert is a particular kind of Internet know-it-all who claims to know self-proclaimed expert in all there is to know about weapons, tactics, and military history, often with few credentials beyond "I've aspects of war studies. Yes, ''all' of them. How did they become an expert, you ask? Well, they read a lot of books about it." book. Maybe even ''several''.

The trope name itself comes from that fact that it is almost impossible to post a military-related video on Website/YouTube without the comment section being flooded with by this persona decrying the weapon on display. persona. Most YTWE Youtube War Expert (YtWE) debate will consist degenerate into proclamations of comparing two the superiority of a particular weapon or more military. If about weapons, it will degenerate into technical detail despite the fact that, [[SarcasmMode bizarrely]], actual soldiers are far more concerned with each party insisting that whatever feature or trait their candidate has over the others is context of a weapon's use (force ratios, ammunition, other weapons systems in use, etc) and the ONLY THING that matters in combat; the typical ones being:
quality of its users. E.g.:



These debates tend to be fairly circular; [[SarcasmMode bizarrely]], no one who has ever actually been in combat agrees that a single weapon alone outweighs training, terrain, numbers, leadership, morale, and other hard to quantify assets in deciding success. Thusly the debate boils down primarily to [[AdHominem yelling, insults, and death threats.]]

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These When about entire militaries the debate will inevitably centre on "technology", culture, and race. [[CulturalPosturing "Technological", cultural, and racial posturing]] almost inevitably ensues, and often seguing quite neatly into general debates about cultural and racial degeneracy/supremacy. The two different levels of this posturing are:

* Reductionism: the outcome of whole battles, campaigns, or wars was largely decided by a single factor.
* Determinism: the outcome of whole battles, campaigns, or wars was completely decided by a single factor.

Particularly common is the tendency to see armed conflict as a form of CultureClash in which the victor's race or culture is clearly vindicated as 'superior'.

All these
debates tend to be fairly circular; [[SarcasmMode bizarrely]], no one who has ever actually been in combat agrees that a single weapon alone outweighs training, terrain, numbers, leadership, morale, and other hard to quantify assets in deciding success. Thusly the debate boils down primarily to thusly they almost inevitably devolve into [[AdHominem yelling, insults, and death threats.]]
threats,]] [[GodwinsLaw and comparisons to Hitler/Stalin/Mao]].
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Compare and contrast ArmchairMilitary.
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These debates tend to be fairly circular, as, oddly, no one who has ever been in combat agrees that what weapon you're using outweighs training, terrain, numbers, leadership, morale, and other hard to quantify assets in deciding success (shows how little they know) leaving the debate to be based primarily on [[AdHominem yelling, insults, and death threats.]]

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These debates tend to be fairly circular, as, oddly, circular; [[SarcasmMode bizarrely]], no one who has ever actually been in combat agrees that what a single weapon you're using alone outweighs training, terrain, numbers, leadership, morale, and other hard to quantify assets in deciding success (shows how little they know) leaving success. Thusly the debate to be based boils down primarily on to [[AdHominem yelling, insults, and death threats.]]
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->'''Sergeant Deegan'''[[note]]''Police'' Sergeant Deegan[[/note]]: ''Ah, this reminds me of Vietnam...''
->'''Father Ted''': ''You were in Vietnam, sergeant?''
->'''Sergeant Deegan''': ''No, no, I mean the films!''

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->'''Sergeant Deegan'''[[note]]''Police'' Sergeant Deegan[[/note]]: ''Ah, Ah, this reminds me of Vietnam...''
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'''Father
Ted''': ''You You were in Vietnam, sergeant?''
->'''Sergeant
sergeant?\\
'''Sergeant
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The [=YouTube=] War Expert is a particular kind of Internet know-it-all who claims to know all there is to know about weapons, tactics, and military history, often with few credentials beyond "I've read a lot of books about it." The name itself comes from that fact that it is almost impossible to post a military-related video on Website/YouTube without the comment section being flooded with this persona decrying the weapon on display. Most YTWE debate will consist of comparing two or more weapons, with each party insisting that whatever feature or trait their candidate has over the others is the ONLY THING that matters in combat; the typical ones being-

* Accuracy- "Y isn't worth anything when X can hit you between the eyes while you're trying to get close."
* Cost- "Y may be good, but a hundred guys with X would beat one guy with Y."
* Killing / Penetrating Power- "X could drop you with 1 shot / go straight through armor that would stop Y."
* Range- "X could drop you from twice the distance Y can."
* Reliability- "Lets see how well Y works after a month in a swamp. X would still work just fine."

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The [=YouTube=] War Expert is a particular kind of Internet know-it-all who claims to know all there is to know about weapons, tactics, and military history, often with few credentials beyond "I've read a lot of books about it." The name itself comes from that fact that it is almost impossible to post a military-related video on Website/YouTube without the comment section being flooded with this persona decrying the weapon on display. Most YTWE debate will consist of comparing two or more weapons, with each party insisting that whatever feature or trait their candidate has over the others is the ONLY THING that matters in combat; the typical ones being-

* Accuracy-
being:

# Accuracy -
"Y isn't worth anything when X can hit you between the eyes while you're trying to get close."
* Cost- # Cost - "Y may be good, but a hundred guys with X would beat one guy with Y."
* # Killing / Penetrating Power- Power - "X could drop you with 1 shot / go straight through armor that would stop Y."
* Range- # Range - "X could drop you from twice the distance Y can."
* Reliability- # Reliability - "Lets see how well Y works after a month in a swamp. X would still work just fine."



These debates tend to be fairly circular, as, oddly, no one who has ever been in combat agrees that what weapon you're using outweighs training, terrain, numbers, leadership, morale, and other hard to quantify assets in deciding success (shows how little they know;) leaving the debate to be based primarily on yelling, insults, and death threats.

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These debates tend to be fairly circular, as, oddly, no one who has ever been in combat agrees that what weapon you're using outweighs training, terrain, numbers, leadership, morale, and other hard to quantify assets in deciding success (shows how little they know;) know) leaving the debate to be based primarily on [[AdHominem yelling, insults, and death threats.
threats.]]



* Fanboy- Obsessed with a particular weapon or set of weapons. Will often shoehorn them into an discussion regardless of relevance- interrupting a debate on shotguns to tell everyone how they're all inferior to his beloved assault rifle, on account of its range.
* Feature Freak- Obsessed with one of the common debate factors listed above, crusading tirelessly to declare that that particular trait is the be-all and end-all of warfare.
* Nationalist- Obsessed with constantly defending a particular nation's military establishment, while belittling all others over the fact they would certainly lose an actual war because their favorite nation has the best at everything, even when their claims are contradictory.
* Anti-Nationalist- The equal and opposite counterpart of the Nationalist; obsessed with constantly tearing down one other particular nation at all costs. Typical based on 50+ year old rivalries- US attacking Chinese and Warsaw Pact, British attack their former colonies (especially America and India,) Japan attacking Korea and China, Germany and France attacking each other.
* Arms Master- Obsessed not with modern weapons, but with medieval ones. This is an easy specialty, since there's almost no chance of an actual conflict providing hard data against your claim, so the argument can be decided purely on sophistry and CAPSLOCK use. Usual overlaps with one of the other categories-
** Fanboy- Try to convince a Pole-arm fan that there was an situation, including assassinations and tunnel fighting, that there wasn't a glaive variant that was the indisputably best weapon always everywhere forever amen.
** Nationalist- a good percentage of Arms Masters insist that Renaissance era Switzerland could have conquered the whole world all in one go if they had felt like it.

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* Fanboy- Fanboy - Obsessed with a particular weapon or set of weapons. Will often shoehorn them into an discussion regardless of relevance- relevance - interrupting a debate on shotguns to tell everyone how they're all inferior to his beloved assault rifle, on account of its range.
* Feature Freak- Freak - Obsessed with one of the common debate factors listed above, crusading tirelessly to declare that that particular trait is the be-all and end-all of warfare.
* Nationalist- Nationalist - Obsessed with constantly defending a particular nation's military establishment, while belittling all others over the fact they would certainly lose an actual war because their favorite nation has the best at everything, even when their claims are contradictory.
* Anti-Nationalist- Anti-Nationalist - The equal and opposite counterpart of the Nationalist; obsessed with constantly tearing down one other particular nation at all costs. Typical based on 50+ year old rivalries- 50+-year-old rivalries - US attacking Chinese and Warsaw Pact, British attack their former colonies (especially America and India,) Japan attacking Korea and China, Germany and France attacking each other.
* Arms Master- Master - Obsessed not with modern weapons, but with medieval ones. This is an easy specialty, since there's almost no chance of an actual conflict providing hard data against your claim, so the argument can be decided purely on sophistry and CAPSLOCK use. Usual overlaps with one of the other categories-
categories:
** Fanboy- Fanboy - Try to convince a Pole-arm fan that there was an ever any situation, including assassinations and tunnel fighting, that there wasn't a glaive variant that was the indisputably best weapon always everywhere forever amen.
** Nationalist- Nationalist - a good percentage of Arms Masters insist that Renaissance era Renaissance-era Switzerland could have conquered the whole world all in one go if they had felt like it.



** Anti-Nationalist- Mention katanas just about anywhere, and watch the doctorate-thesis grade rants roll in on how Japanese weapons were either more finely built than the "dull steel clubs" that European swords were, or how they couldn't have scratched even the worst of European armor, while even the worst European weapons would go through any Japanese armor like a chainsaw through warm butter.
* InternetToughGuy- These two personas are a common crossover. [=ITGs=] will obsess over the biggest, studliest weapons in a category- 12-gauge shotguns, napalm bombs, big stonking two-handed greatswords, those artillery cannons that shoot [=TacNukes=]- while constantly peppering all discussions, including those about pastry baking, with impulsive and manly terms like 'Alpha Strike,' 'Blitzkrieg,' 'Lethality Radius,' and 'Maximum Overkill.' Expect any disagreement to be met with "How 'bout I come to your house and see what you say when you're staring down the barrel of X."
** A variant is the '''Internet Gun Expert''', who knows all about which weapon has better characteristics. Why? Because he owns them all, sleeps with his USMC regulations book ([[MilesGloriosus he will almost never have been in the military]]) and his "Barret.50CAL" ([[CompensatingForSomething he hunts white tails with it]]) in the other and wishes for the day a home-invader will meet his [[CriticalResearchFailure Jackhammer full of incendiary flechette rounds]] and his [[BlatantLies 'Nam experience with the 3rd SOG]]. Naturally, such people almost never live up to the claims they make for themselves, and especially amusing is when they claim to own weapons or ammunition illegal in their point of origin. Another type is the '''Internet Vet''' who fondly reminisces about firing X weapon when they were in the military, or his service in Battle/War X, safe in the knowledge that no-one will be able to verify such grandiose claims[[note]]This isn't to say that everyone claiming to be a veteran on the internet is lying, of course. Generally, if it seems like the "'Stan vet"'s only experience of warfare is playing FirstPersonShooter games, that is probably because it is[[/note]].
* Technophiles- Technophiles are the heralds of the bleeding edge of battlefield technology, and place high-tech above all other considerations. They're most noticeable around settings with SchizoTech, complain about inconsistencies created by a weapon prototype announced a week ago and asking things along the lines of 'Why don't they just NukeEm?' And they won't take a legitimate in-universe explanation for an answer. The most dedicated will write "Setting vs Real World" fanfics which mainly just consist of "Iconic thing from Setting shows up, then CRUISE MISSILES!" Repeat until the entire universe has been cruise missile'd to death, then drop a nuke or fuel-air bomb just to be safe.

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** Anti-Nationalist- Anti-Nationalist - Mention katanas just about anywhere, and watch the doctorate-thesis grade rants roll in on how Japanese weapons were either more finely built than the "dull steel clubs" that European swords were, or how they couldn't have scratched even the worst of European armor, while even the worst European weapons would go through any Japanese armor like a chainsaw through warm butter.
* InternetToughGuy- InternetToughGuy - These two personas are a common crossover. [=ITGs=] will obsess over the biggest, studliest weapons in a category- category - 12-gauge shotguns, napalm bombs, big stonking two-handed greatswords, those artillery cannons that shoot [=TacNukes=]- tactical nukes - while constantly peppering all discussions, including those about pastry baking, with impulsive and manly terms like 'Alpha Strike,' 'Blitzkrieg,' 'Lethality Radius,' and 'Maximum Overkill.' Expect any disagreement to be met with "How 'bout I come to your house and see what you say when you're staring down the barrel of X."
** A variant is the '''Internet Gun Expert''', who knows all about which weapon has better characteristics. Why? Because he owns them all, sleeps with his USMC regulations book ([[MilesGloriosus he will almost never have been in the military]]) in one arm and his "Barret.50CAL" ([[CompensatingForSomething he hunts white tails with it]]) in the other other, and wishes for the day a home-invader will meet his [[CriticalResearchFailure Jackhammer full of incendiary flechette rounds]] and his [[BlatantLies 'Nam experience with the 3rd SOG]]. Naturally, such people almost never live up to the claims they make for themselves, and especially amusing is when they claim to own weapons or ammunition illegal in their point of origin. Another type is the '''Internet Vet''' who fondly reminisces about firing X weapon when they were in the military, or his service in Battle/War X, safe in the knowledge that no-one will be able to verify such grandiose claims[[note]]This isn't to say that everyone claiming to be a veteran on the internet is lying, of course. Generally, course, but generally, if it seems like the "'Stan vet"'s only experience of warfare is playing FirstPersonShooter games, that is probably because it is[[/note]].
* Technophiles- Technophiles - Technophiles are the heralds of the bleeding edge of battlefield technology, and place high-tech above all other considerations. They're most noticeable around settings with SchizoTech, complain about inconsistencies created by a weapon prototype announced a week ago and asking things along the lines of 'Why don't they just NukeEm?' And they won't take a legitimate in-universe explanation for an answer. The most dedicated will write "Setting vs Real World" fanfics which mainly just consist of "Iconic thing from Setting shows up, then CRUISE MISSILES!" Repeat until the entire universe has been cruise missile'd to death, then drop a nuke or fuel-air bomb just to be safe.
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->'''Sergeant Deegan'''[[note]]''Police'' Sergeant Deegan[[/note]]: ''Ah, this reminds me [[UsefulNotes/VietnamWar of Vietnam...]]''

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->'''Sergeant Deegan''': ''[[Film/FullMetalJacket No, no]], [[Film/HamburgerHill I mean]] [[Film/ApocalypseNow the]] [[Film/WeWereSoldiers films!]]''

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->'''Sergeant Deegan''': ''[[Film/FullMetalJacket No, no]], [[Film/HamburgerHill ''No, no, I mean]] [[Film/ApocalypseNow the]] [[Film/WeWereSoldiers films!]]''mean the films!''
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->'''Sergeant Deegan'''[[note]]''Police'' Sergeant Deegan[[/note]]: ''Ah, this reminds me [[VietnamWar of Vietnam...]]''
->'''FatherTed''': ''You were in Vietnam sergeant?''

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->'''Sergeant Deegan'''[[note]]''Police'' Sergeant Deegan[[/note]]: ''Ah, this reminds me [[VietnamWar [[UsefulNotes/VietnamWar of Vietnam...]]''
->'''FatherTed''': ->'''Father Ted''': ''You were in Vietnam Vietnam, sergeant?''



-->-- '''FatherTed Crilly''' and '''Gardai Sergeant Deegan''', [[BizarroUniverse hunting a rabid]] [[ItMakesSenseInContext alcoholic]].

In RealLife, the study of war is a complex and difficult academic and practical discipline. Every military runs academies to train young officers in the art of war, and a good part of this training is the study of battles and strategy. To give one an example of how vast this subject is, and the myriad factors that can affect the outcome of battles, places like [[YanksWithTanks West Point]] and [[BritsWithBattleships Sandhurst]] still study the battles of Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar or TheDukeOfWellington. With the millions of words written on the subject, it is fair to say that no-one can truly be said to know everything about war... ''except this guy!''

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-->-- '''FatherTed '''Series/FatherTed Crilly''' and '''Gardai Sergeant Deegan''', [[BizarroUniverse hunting a rabid]] [[ItMakesSenseInContext alcoholic]].

In RealLife, the study of war is a complex and difficult academic and practical discipline. Every military runs academies to train young officers in the art of war, and a good part of this training is the study of battles and strategy. To give one an example of how vast this subject is, and the myriad factors that can affect the outcome of battles, places like [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks West Point]] and [[BritsWithBattleships [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Sandhurst]] still study the battles of Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar or TheDukeOfWellington.UsefulNotes/TheDukeOfWellington. With the millions of words written on the subject, it is fair to say that no-one can truly be said to know everything about war... ''except this guy!''

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