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29th Nov '16 7:46:33 AM Eddy1215
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* ''Fanfic/YoungJusticeDarknessFalls'': Lex Luthor gives Superboy a booklet with "all" the information on the plans the light has. If any hero fails to stop their plans shown in the book, well then all the better for the light. If they do manage to put some of them to rest, then it weakens the strengths of many of Luthor's partners, making him better poised to take over light operations thanks to his own private resources. The more resources removed also gives Luthor more space to have a clean bill as he prepared for his next goal: becoming president. And more to the point, the whole reason he gave them the plans in the first place was to undermine Darkseid's plans for earth. Regardless of the outcome, Luthor would've gained from the result.

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* ''Fanfic/YoungJusticeDarknessFalls'': Lex Luthor gives Superboy a booklet with "all" the information on the plans the light Light has. If any hero fails to stop their plans shown in the book, well then all the better for the light. Light. If they do manage to put some of them to rest, then it weakens the strengths of many of Luthor's partners, making him better poised to take over light Light operations thanks to his own private resources. The more resources removed also gives Luthor more space to have a clean bill as he prepared for his next goal: becoming president. And more to the point, the whole reason he gave them the plans in the first place was to undermine Darkseid's plans for earth. Regardless of the outcome, Luthor would've gained from the result.
29th Nov '16 1:19:27 AM EricW
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* ''Fanfic/YoungJusticeDarknessFalls'': Lex Luthor gives Superboy a booklet with "all" the information on the plans the light has. If any hero fails to stop their plans shown in the book, well then all the better for the light. If they do manage to put some of them to rest, then it weakens the strengths of many of Luthor's partners, making him better poised to take over light operations thanks to his own private resources. The more resources removed also gives Luthor more space to have a clean bill as he prepared for his next goal: becoming president. And more to the point, the whole reason he gave them the plans in the first place was to undermine Darkseid's plans for earth. Regardless of the outcome, Luthor would've gained from the result.
25th Nov '16 5:58:36 PM ZimFan89
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* In ''FanFic/TheBridge'', the BigBad, Bagan, pulls one that makes up the entirety of the "Enjin Arc". Sending away one of his soldiers, Monster X, to the Equestria Girls world after he started turning into Kaizer Ghidorah; he deploys one of his aspects called Enjin to kill X/Kaizer and take his powers. It turns out this was partly a ploy to get the attention of the BigGood, Harmony, and bring her realm close to his so he could attack her directly since she's the only being on a similar power tier to him. Enjin succeeds in killing Monster X and the sirens allied with him and Bagan succeeds in killing Harmony? Enjin will drain them of their power and bring it back to enhance Bagan, who's just removed the one character who had a good chance at stopping him. Enjin succeeds but Bagan fails? Still get the power-up, Bagan can just teleport himself back to his realm to avoid the possibility of Harmony killing him, and the damage to Harmony's realm inside the Tree of Harmony from two PhysicalGod tier characters fighting in it will severe her connection to Equestria. Both fail? Damage is still done to the Tree of Harmony and without any links between Enjin and his master, a stronger Monster X will just think he killed an outside threat and will still loyally serve Bagan after his master plays BenevolentBoss and heals him after the fighting. [[spoiler: Last part happens and no one is the wiser.]]

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* In ''FanFic/TheBridge'', the BigBad, Bagan, pulls one that makes up the entirety of the "Enjin Arc". Sending away one of his soldiers, Monster X, to the Equestria Girls world after he started turning into Kaizer Ghidorah; Ghidorah, he deploys one of his aspects called Enjin to kill X/Kaizer and take his powers. It turns out this was partly a ploy to get the attention of the BigGood, Harmony, and bring her realm close to his so he could attack her directly since she's the only being on a similar power tier to him. Enjin succeeds in killing Monster X and the sirens allied with him and Bagan succeeds in killing Harmony? Enjin will drain them of their power and bring it back to enhance Bagan, who's just removed the one character who had a good chance at stopping him. Enjin succeeds but Bagan fails? Still get the power-up, Bagan can just teleport himself back to his realm to avoid the possibility of Harmony killing him, and the damage to Harmony's realm inside the Tree of Harmony from two PhysicalGod tier characters fighting in it will severe her connection to Equestria. Both fail? Damage is still done to the Tree of Harmony and without any links between Enjin and his master, a stronger Monster X will just think he killed an outside threat and will still loyally serve Bagan after his master plays BenevolentBoss and heals him after the fighting. [[spoiler: Last part happens and no one is the wiser.]]]]
* ''Fanfic/TheNewAdventuresOfInvaderZim'': At Norlock's prodding, the Tallest set up Zim and Tak's [[EvilVersusEvil competition]] for control of Earth as this -- if Tak wins, Zim finally dies. If Zim wins, they [[KickedUpstairs appoint him ruler]] of a [[InsignificantLittleBluePlanet completely out of the way planet]], keeping him out of their hair. And either way, they add another planet to the Empire.
19th Nov '16 8:39:26 PM CerotechOmega
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* The page image can be used to illustrate a common problem with this trope: how far must one stretch ''all'' outcomes for it to count as a Xanatos Gambit? Just as many of the other gambits on this page, it ''has'' a failure condition, but a low-probability one that only applies in certain outcomes: [[spoiler: in this case, the hero could defeat the villain, his dragon, and his army in succession, leaving the son without the means to take over the world]].

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* The page image can be used to illustrate a common problem with this trope: how far must one stretch ''all'' outcomes for it to count as a Xanatos Gambit? Just as many of the other gambits on this page, it ''has'' a two failure condition, but a low-probability one that only applies in certain outcomes: in one case, [[spoiler: in this case, the hero could defeat the villain, his dragon, and his army in succession, leaving the son without the means to take over the world]].world]], while in the other, [[spoiler:the hero could secretly befriend the villain's son, who could talk the army down and let the hero live.]]
18th Oct '16 7:10:48 PM Nerrin
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*** They're considered a defining feature for Mephistopheles. After a failed rebellion against Asmodeus, the master of all the Nine Hells, Mephistopheles sat in his throne in the frozen Eighth Hell of Cania and went completely still and silent for years - so long that a powerful devil named Baron Molikroth slowly swayed many of Mephistopheles's court away over old Mephisto's neglect. The traitorous courtiers came to the court to depose Mephistopheles... only for Molikroth to reveal he had ''always'' been Mephistopheles and the immobile double on the throne was a fake. So his loyal subordinates were proven loyal and the disloyal element was tricked into exposing themselves for a purge.
3rd Oct '16 11:27:20 AM erforce
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* In the ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' movies, Jack Sparrow allowed himself to be shackled in the first movie so he could use them to take Elizabeth hostage, Either they let him escape or she becomes a distraction for his escape. Or taking one of the Aztec coins? Barbosa can no longer win because he himself cannot be killed, but once Will dispells the curse, he can finish Barbosa off with his pistol.

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* In the ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' movies, Jack Sparrow allowed himself to be shackled in the [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanTheCurseOfTheBlackPearl first movie movie]] so he could use them to take Elizabeth hostage, Either they let him escape or she becomes a distraction for his escape. Or taking one of the Aztec coins? Barbosa Barbossa can no longer win because he himself cannot be killed, but once Will dispells the curse, he can finish Barbosa Barbossa off with his pistol.
1st Oct '16 11:42:18 AM Morgenthaler
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* In {{Bridge}}, with the number of different varieties of coups, endplays, and the like, it's quite possible to make sure you make your contract (or your opponents lose their contract) no matter what is played, despite said contract appearing to be hopeless (or completely solid). The most common variety would be the endplay (by intentionally losing a trick to opponents, you force an opponent to give you at least two more tricks due to lack of leads), but the squeeze play (where an opponent is forced to discard too many cards, allowing their good cards to be easily captured) and the coup (generally a play to force a foe into promoting one of your other cards) also frequently work like this. The defense can also pull these off, although generally not as easily.

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* In {{Bridge}}, TabletopGame/{{Bridge}}, with the number of different varieties of coups, endplays, and the like, it's quite possible to make sure you make your contract (or your opponents lose their contract) no matter what is played, despite said contract appearing to be hopeless (or completely solid). The most common variety would be the endplay (by intentionally losing a trick to opponents, you force an opponent to give you at least two more tricks due to lack of leads), but the squeeze play (where an opponent is forced to discard too many cards, allowing their good cards to be easily captured) and the coup (generally a play to force a foe into promoting one of your other cards) also frequently work like this. The defense can also pull these off, although generally not as easily.
27th Sep '16 2:05:04 AM Morgenthaler
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* Parodied by Adam in episode 9 of ''MaddisonAtkins''.

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* Parodied by Adam in episode 9 of ''MaddisonAtkins''.''WebVideo/MaddisonAtkins''.
24th Aug '16 1:24:06 PM Eddy1215
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** The [[VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma third game]] is orchestrated by [[spoiler: Delta, AKA Brother - the founder of Free The Soul - who [[MemeticMutation has complex reasons.]] He needs Diana and Sigma to give birth to his sister and himself then send them back in time in one timeline, to fail in another and then set up the events of the second game, as well as Akane and Junpei. He also needs everyone to work together to prevent the outbreak of Radical-6, which he orchestrated in the hopes that he could kill a specific target among 6 billion people. To get everyone out and prevent the release of Radical-6 means he's successfully created SHIFTers who can prevent [[ApocalypseNow an even worse event [[ApocalypseWow an even worse event than Radical-6]].]]

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** The [[VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma third game]] is orchestrated by [[spoiler: Delta, AKA Brother - the founder of Free The Soul - who [[MemeticMutation has complex reasons.]] He needs Diana and Sigma to give birth to his sister and himself then send them back in time in one timeline, to fail in another and then set up the events of the second game, as well as Akane and Junpei. He also needs everyone to work together to prevent the outbreak of Radical-6, which he orchestrated in the hopes that he could kill a specific target among 6 billion people. To get everyone out and prevent the release of Radical-6 means he's successfully created SHIFTers who can prevent [[ApocalypseNow an even worse event [[ApocalypseWow an even worse event than Radical-6]].]]
24th Aug '16 12:28:49 PM res20stupid
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* Used in the ''VisualNovel/ZeroEscape'' series, mostly because [[spoiler: [[AntiVillain each Zero]] often needs a XanatosGambit to ensure their own survival and does so using the unique form of TimeTravel employed through PsychicPowers in the series.]]
** The [[VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors first game]] is orchestrated by [[spoiler: the present version of Akane Kurashiki]] in order to [[spoiler: punish those who set up her first Nonary Game as well as to both train Junpei in how to use the [[AppliedPhlebotinum Morphogenetic Field]] and to mentally link to her past self and help her escape from the Gigantic. She's seen every possible outcome to the scenario and actually uses it to help Junpei in the present - get information in one timeline like the combination of a safe, even if it kills him, then her past self will see it and silently relay it to him so that he can use it in another timeline.]]
** The [[VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward second game]] is orchestrated by [[spoiler: both Akane and the 70 year-old Sigma Klim]] so that [[spoiler: Old!Sigma could [[FreakyFridayFlip jump]] into his past self's mind and [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong prevent]] [[ApocalypseWow the Radical-6 outbreak]] while also training his past self, as well as another ESPer, on how to jump into the past and also to prevent the Radical-6 outbreak. The Nonary Game Ambidex Version is designed so that Sigma can only complete it after Jumping numerous times.]]
** The [[VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma third game]] is orchestrated by [[spoiler: Delta, AKA Brother - the founder of Free The Soul - who [[MemeticMutation has complex reasons.]] He needs Diana and Sigma to give birth to his sister and himself then send them back in time in one timeline, to fail in another and then set up the events of the second game, as well as Akane and Junpei. He also needs everyone to work together to prevent the outbreak of Radical-6, which he orchestrated in the hopes that he could kill a specific target among 6 billion people. To get everyone out and prevent the release of Radical-6 means he's successfully created SHIFTers who can prevent [[ApocalypseNow an even worse event [[ApocalypseWow an even worse event than Radical-6]].]]
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