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19th Apr '18 10:15:58 AM StFan
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* ''Manga/{{Evangelion 303}}'': Gendo ordered that Asuka tested the NF-14 model, thinking that: if [[http://eva303.smackjeeves.com/comics/1745147/049/ she recovered, they would have four pilots operational again]]; and if [[http://eva303.smackjeeves.com/comics/1745148/050/ the aircraft crashed, it should return Instrumentality to schedule.]]

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* ''Manga/{{Evangelion 303}}'': ''Manga/Evangelion303'': Gendo ordered that Asuka tested the NF-14 model, thinking that: if [[http://eva303.smackjeeves.com/comics/1745147/049/ she recovered, they would have four pilots operational again]]; and if [[http://eva303.smackjeeves.com/comics/1745148/050/ the aircraft crashed, it should return Instrumentality to schedule.]]



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* ''{{Frozen}}'': Some XanatosSpeedChess is necessary at first due to changing circumstances, but as of Anna's departure from the palace, a regular gambit is in motion: [[spoiler: Hans leads Arendelle through the crisis while both queen and princess are absent, becoming a public hero. Option 1: Neither survive (despite Hans eventually mounting his own heroic efforts to find them), so there is no official heir and he will be supported in taking the throne. Option 2: Anna survives but Elsa dies, so he can marry Anna unimpeded and let the naive princess be a PuppetQueen to his [[EvilChancellor Evil Consort]]. Option 3: Elsa survives but Anna dies, so Elsa's one supporter is gone and she can be blamed for everything and executed, turning it into Option 1. Option 4: Both return, but public support will now favor Hans over Elsa and she'll ''have'' to let him marry Anna; an accident to the feared queen can be arranged later to turn it into Option 2. Hans nearly gets Option 3, but [[SpannerInTheWorks with Olaf's help]], Anna stayed unfrozen long enough to derail things.]]

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* ''{{Frozen}}'': ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'': Some XanatosSpeedChess is necessary at first due to changing circumstances, but as of Anna's departure from the palace, a regular gambit is in motion: [[spoiler: Hans [[spoiler:Hans leads Arendelle through the crisis while both queen and princess are absent, becoming a public hero. Option 1: Neither survive (despite Hans eventually mounting his own heroic efforts to find them), so there is no official heir and he will be supported in taking the throne. Option 2: Anna survives but Elsa dies, so he can marry Anna unimpeded and let the naive naïve princess be a PuppetQueen to his [[EvilChancellor Evil Consort]]. Option 3: Elsa survives but Anna dies, so Elsa's one supporter is gone and she can be blamed for everything and executed, turning it into Option 1. Option 4: Both return, but public support will now favor Hans over Elsa and she'll ''have'' to let him marry Anna; an accident to the feared queen can be arranged later to turn it into Option 2. Hans nearly gets Option 3, but [[SpannerInTheWorks with Olaf's help]], Anna stayed unfrozen long enough to derail things.]]



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** At the end of 3rd edition, Mephistopheles provides incredible amounts of power to mortals (through control over Hellfire) for almost nothing, but Devils in the D&D universe draw their power almost exclusively from the torment of damned souls, so if/when heroes defeat these evil cults, Mephistopheles reaps their souls and receives a massive boost in power.
*** They're considered a defining feature for Mephistopheles. After a failed rebellion against Asmodeus, the master of all the Nine Hells, Mephistopheles sat in his throne in the frozen Eighth Hell of Cania and went completely still and silent for years - so long that a powerful devil named Baron Molikroth slowly swayed many of Mephistopheles's court away over old Mephisto's neglect. The traitorous courtiers came to the court to depose Mephistopheles... only for Molikroth to reveal he had ''always'' been Mephistopheles and the immobile double on the throne was a fake. So his loyal subordinates were proven loyal and the disloyal element was tricked into exposing themselves for a purge.

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** At the end of 3rd edition, Mephistopheles provides incredible amounts of power to mortals (through control over Hellfire) for almost nothing, but Devils in the D&D ''D&D'' universe draw their power almost exclusively from the torment of damned souls, so if/when heroes defeat these evil cults, Mephistopheles reaps their souls and receives a massive boost in power.
*** ** They're considered a defining feature for Mephistopheles. After a failed rebellion against Asmodeus, the master of all the Nine Hells, Mephistopheles sat in his throne in the frozen Eighth Hell of Cania and went completely still and silent for years - -- so long that a powerful devil named Baron Molikroth slowly swayed many of Mephistopheles's court away over old Mephisto's neglect. The traitorous courtiers came to the court to depose Mephistopheles... only for Molikroth to reveal he had ''always'' been Mephistopheles and the immobile double on the throne was a fake. So his loyal subordinates were proven loyal and the disloyal element was tricked into exposing themselves for a purge.



* This is why you shouldn't deal with dragons in ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}''. Even if you think you've won, the dragon's won, too.
** In the "Here There Be Dragons" chapter of the third edition ''Threats'' supplement, a runner brags that he screwed over Lofwyr, the most powerful of the Great Dragons, despite losing his entire team in the process. He's found dead at his keyboard a week later. Another runner investigated and discovered that the ''entire run'' he bragged about was a setup: the rest of the hand-picked team had done jobs against Saeder-Krupp subsidiaries (and thus Lofwyr had incentive to kill them), the target facility was owned by S-K through shell companies and was insured against theft, the paydata was garbage (so Shiawase wasted time and money analyzing it), and probably got to field-test a device for controlling [[CanisMajor fenrir]] against them.
* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'': Everything that has ever happened in the universe and beyond is the result of Tzeentch's plans. Including those plans of his that have been foiled. In fact, if you try to help him, he benefits, if you try to hinder him, he benefits, and if you do neither, he benefits.

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* This is why you shouldn't deal with dragons in ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}''. Even if you think you've won, the dragon's won, too.
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too. In the "Here There Be Dragons" chapter of the third edition ''Threats'' supplement, a runner brags that he screwed over Lofwyr, the most powerful of the Great Dragons, despite losing his entire team in the process. He's found dead at his keyboard a week later. Another runner investigated and discovered that the ''entire run'' he bragged about was a setup: the rest of the hand-picked team had done jobs against Saeder-Krupp subsidiaries (and thus Lofwyr had incentive to kill them), the target facility was owned by S-K through shell companies and was insured against theft, the paydata was garbage (so Shiawase wasted time and money analyzing it), and probably got to field-test a device for controlling [[CanisMajor fenrir]] against them.
* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'': ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'':
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Everything that has ever happened in the universe and beyond is the result of Tzeentch's plans. Including those plans of his that have been foiled. In fact, if you try to help him, he benefits, if you try to hinder him, he benefits, and if you do neither, he benefits.



* ''PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'':

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* ''PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'':''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'':



* In ''WebComic/EightBitTheater'', this is mentioned, though not by name, during a lengthy discussion between Black Mage and Red Mage on who would win in a fight between Batman and Dr. Doom. After Black Mage points this out, Red Mage begrudgingly gives doom the point. Happens in issue [[http://www.nuklearpower.com/2003/10/16/episode-342-hypothetically-speaking/ #342]] and [[http://www.nuklearpower.com/2003/10/18/episode-343-check-mate/ #343]]

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* In ''WebComic/EightBitTheater'', ''Webcomic/EightBitTheater'', this is mentioned, though not by name, during a lengthy discussion between Black Mage and Red Mage on who would win in a fight between Batman and Dr. Doom. After Black Mage points this out, Red Mage begrudgingly gives doom the point. Happens in issue [[http://www.nuklearpower.com/2003/10/16/episode-342-hypothetically-speaking/ #342]] and [[http://www.nuklearpower.com/2003/10/18/episode-343-check-mate/ #343]]



* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''

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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'':



** Redcloak outlines a much higher stakes Xanatos Gambit in the prequel story ''StartOfDarkness'': [[spoiler:he intends to capture one of the five Gates that holds back the world's SealedEvilInACan so his god, the Dark One, can use it to blackmail the other gods into giving the goblins equal standing among the player races (human, elf, dwarf, etc.). If he should accidentally unleash this EldritchAbomination and unravel all of Creation in the process, the gods can then remake the world -- but this time around, the Dark One would have a say in how the goblins were treated.]]

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** Redcloak outlines a much higher stakes Xanatos Gambit in the prequel story ''StartOfDarkness'': ''Recap/StartOfDarkness'': [[spoiler:he intends to capture one of the five Gates that holds back the world's SealedEvilInACan so his god, the Dark One, can use it to blackmail the other gods into giving the goblins equal standing among the player races (human, elf, dwarf, etc.). If he should accidentally unleash this EldritchAbomination and unravel all of Creation in the process, the gods can then remake the world -- but this time around, the Dark One would have a say in how the goblins were treated.]]



* In ''Webcomic/{{Freefall}}'', [[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff200/fv00112.htm the rescue will either succeed or kill a character with an annoying habit of needing rescue--win/win is good.]]
** Parodied on [[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2200/fc02162.htm this strip]]

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* In ''Webcomic/{{Freefall}}'', [[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff200/fv00112.htm the rescue will either succeed or kill a character with an annoying habit of needing rescue--win/win rescue -- win/win is good.]]
** %%** Parodied on [[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2200/fc02162.htm this strip]]



* {{Website/Neopets}}: In the Faerie's Ruin plot [[spoiler:Xandra]]'s second plan. The heroes try to get a special artifact to reverse the spell that transformed the faeries into stone. It doesn't matter if they succeed or not, either way Fairy land is screwed. [[spoiler:The artifact is useless by itself and is just a power amplifier. Even if the heroes get the artifact on time Xandra will simply use the artifact to transform the heroes into stone too.]]

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* {{Website/Neopets}}: Website/{{Neopets}}: In the Faerie's Ruin plot [[spoiler:Xandra]]'s second plan. The heroes try to get a special artifact to reverse the spell that transformed the faeries into stone. It doesn't matter if they succeed or not, either way Fairy land is screwed. [[spoiler:The artifact is useless by itself and is just a power amplifier. Even if the heroes get the artifact on time Xandra will simply use the artifact to transform the heroes into stone too.]]
16th Apr '18 10:59:43 AM TompaDompa
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* In ''Film/{{Deewaar}}'', Vijay concocts a plan wherein Daavar's man Darpan will tell Samant's gang where Vijay will be, giving them a chance to kill him. He reasons that regardless of whether they succeed in killing him, they will trust the FakeDefector Darpan.
17th Mar '18 3:22:11 PM erforce
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* In 2009's ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' film, Lord Blackwood pulls a minor XanatosGambit in being caught by Holmes and executed by hanging so he could later demonstrate that the PowersThatBe are behind him by "returning" from the grave. Holmes doesn't catch him, he's still free and powerful. Holmes does catch him, he can become even more powerful.

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* In 2009's ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' film, ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009'', Lord Blackwood pulls a minor XanatosGambit in being caught by Holmes and executed by hanging so he could later demonstrate that the PowersThatBe are behind him by "returning" from the grave. Holmes doesn't catch him, he's still free and powerful. Holmes does catch him, he can become even more powerful.
26th Feb '18 8:16:19 AM ShireNomad
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* Some XanatosSpeedChess is necessary at first due to changing circumstances, but as of Anna's departure from the palace, a regular gambit is in motion: [[spoiler: Hans leads Arendelle through the crisis while both queen and princess are absent, becoming a public hero. Option 1: Neither survive (despite Hans eventually mounting his own heroic efforts to find them), so there is no official heir and he will be supported in taking the throne. Option 2: Anna survives but Elsa dies, so he can marry Anna unimpeded and let the naive princess be a PuppetQueen to his [[EvilChancellor Evil Consort]]. Option 3: Elsa survives but Anna dies, so Elsa's one supporter is gone and she can be blamed for everything and executed, turning it into Option 1. Option 4: Both return, but public support will now favor Hans over Elsa and she'll ''have'' to let him marry Anna; an accident to the feared queen can be arranged later to turn it into Option 2. Hans nearly gets Option 3, but [[SpannerInTheWorks with Olaf's help]], Anna stayed unfrozen long enough to derail things.]]

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* ''{{Frozen}}'': Some XanatosSpeedChess is necessary at first due to changing circumstances, but as of Anna's departure from the palace, a regular gambit is in motion: [[spoiler: Hans leads Arendelle through the crisis while both queen and princess are absent, becoming a public hero. Option 1: Neither survive (despite Hans eventually mounting his own heroic efforts to find them), so there is no official heir and he will be supported in taking the throne. Option 2: Anna survives but Elsa dies, so he can marry Anna unimpeded and let the naive princess be a PuppetQueen to his [[EvilChancellor Evil Consort]]. Option 3: Elsa survives but Anna dies, so Elsa's one supporter is gone and she can be blamed for everything and executed, turning it into Option 1. Option 4: Both return, but public support will now favor Hans over Elsa and she'll ''have'' to let him marry Anna; an accident to the feared queen can be arranged later to turn it into Option 2. Hans nearly gets Option 3, but [[SpannerInTheWorks with Olaf's help]], Anna stayed unfrozen long enough to derail things.]]
26th Feb '18 8:15:33 AM ShireNomad
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* Some XanatosSpeedChess is necessary at first due to changing circumstances, but as of Anna's departure from the palace, a regular gambit is in motion: [[spoiler: Hans leads Arendelle through the crisis while both queen and princess are absent, becoming a public hero. Option 1: Neither survive (despite Hans eventually mounting his own heroic efforts to find them), so there is no official heir and he will be supported in taking the throne. Option 2: Anna survives but Elsa dies, so he can marry Anna unimpeded and let the naive princess be a PuppetQueen to his [[EvilChancellor Evil Consort]]. Option 3: Elsa survives but Anna dies, so Elsa's one supporter is gone and she can be blamed for everything and executed, turning it into Option 1. Option 4: Both return, but public support will now favor Hans over Elsa and she'll ''have'' to let him marry Anna; an accident to the feared queen can be arranged later to turn it into Option 2. Hans nearly gets Option 3, but [[SpannerInTheWorks with Olaf's help]], Anna stayed unfrozen long enough to derail things.]]
13th Feb '18 11:25:39 PM Chabal2
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** Note that this only applies to Tzeentch himself: his followers and daemons are quite often the victims of some of these turnabouts (and can get quite miffed at being backstabbed by the god of hope, sorcery, mutation and betrayal), resulting in the JustAsPlanned / NotAsPlanned memes.
13th Feb '18 5:44:28 PM LordInsane
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* The page image can be used to illustrate a common problem with this trope: how far must one stretch ''all'' outcomes for it to count as a Xanatos Gambit? Just as many of the other gambits on this page, it ''has'' two failure condition, but a low-probability one that only applies in certain outcomes: in one case, [[spoiler: the hero could defeat the villain, his dragon, and his army in succession, leaving the son without the means to take over the world]], while in the other, [[spoiler:the hero could secretly befriend the villain's son, who could talk the army down and let the hero live.]]

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* The page image can be used to illustrate a common problem with this trope: how far must one stretch ''all'' outcomes for it to count as a Xanatos Gambit? Just as many of the other gambits on this page, it ''has'' two failure condition, conditions, but a low-probability one ones that only applies in certain outcomes: in one case, [[spoiler: the hero could defeat the villain, his dragon, and his army in succession, leaving the son without the means to take over the world]], while in the other, another, [[spoiler:the hero could secretly befriend the villain's son, who could talk the army down and let the hero live.]]
26th Jan '18 11:30:12 AM ZimFan89
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** In Episode 3, at Norlock's prodding, the Tallest set up Zim and Tak's [[EvilVersusEvil competition]] for control of Earth as this -- if Tak wins, Zim finally dies. If Zim wins, they [[KickedUpstairs appoint him ruler]] of a [[InsignificantLittleBluePlanet completely out of the way planet]], keeping him out of their hair. And either way, they add another planet to the Empire.

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** In Episode 3, at Norlock's prodding, the Tallest set up Zim and Tak's [[EvilVersusEvil competition]] for control of Earth as this -- if Tak wins, Zim finally dies. If Zim wins, they [[KickedUpstairs appoint him ruler]] of a [[InsignificantLittleBluePlanet completely out of the way planet]], keeping him out of their hair. And either way, they add another planet to the Empire. [[spoiler:This falls apart in Episode 17 when they tell Zim the truth of his "mission" in an attempt to keep [[LostSuperweapon Project Domination]] from him, causing him to [[RogueAgent turn on them]].]]
22nd Jan '18 3:11:06 PM KoolKoopaGirl
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[-[[caption-width-right:350:ThePlan is to stab you five times with MortonsFork. The faster the pathway, the better the outcome.[[note]] Of course, you could [[SpannerInTheWorks take the MacGuffin for yourself and turn the dragon against me]], but [[EvilCannotComprehendGood you would be foolish to try.]] Also [[XanatosSpeedChess doing so would make YOU look like you control said dragon, so when I defeat you I'm the hero, or if you 'win' you're despised as a villain and defeated by my army.]] [[/note]]]]-]

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[-[[caption-width-right:350:ThePlan is to stab you five times with MortonsFork. The faster the pathway, the better the outcome.[[note]] Of course, you could [[SpannerInTheWorks take the MacGuffin for yourself and turn the dragon against me]], but [[EvilCannotComprehendGood you would be foolish to try.]] Also [[XanatosSpeedChess doing so would make YOU look like you control said dragon, so when I defeat you I'm the hero, or if you 'win' you're despised as a villain and defeated by my army.]] [[/note]]]]-]
Admittedly, the plan somewhat falls apart if you 'don't' challenge me to combat, but...uh...[[OhCrap Huh.]][[/note]]]]-]
14th Jan '18 1:09:37 PM nombretomado
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* LayCool pulled one in their big match against Melina to unify the titles at ''Night of Champions''. They had Michelle [=McCool=] face Melina. Michelle was called a co-champion but Layla was the legal champion with Michelle allowed to wear and defend the belt as well. So if Michelle won (which she did), LayCool would be legally allowed to wear the unified title, while if Michelle lost, Layla could turn around and say Melina had won doodly-squat since she hadn't technically pinned or even faced the actual Women's Champion.

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* LayCool Wrestling/LayCool pulled one in their big match against Melina to unify the titles at ''Night of Champions''. They had Michelle [=McCool=] face Melina. Michelle was called a co-champion but Layla was the legal champion with Michelle allowed to wear and defend the belt as well. So if Michelle won (which she did), LayCool [=LayCool=] would be legally allowed to wear the unified title, while if Michelle lost, Layla could turn around and say Melina had won doodly-squat since she hadn't technically pinned or even faced the actual Women's Champion.
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