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10th Jun '17 1:34:12 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Ayla and the Networks'', in the ''WhateleyUniverse'' the principle is lampshaded. In the middle of a Gambit Pile-up, the main star gets a smirk. "Xanatos Gambit?" "Xanatos Gambit."

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* In ''Ayla and the Networks'', in the ''WhateleyUniverse'' ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse'' the principle is lampshaded. In the middle of a Gambit Pile-up, the main star gets a smirk. "Xanatos Gambit?" "Xanatos Gambit."
4th Jun '17 6:26:10 PM nombretomado
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'''Remember: It's only a Xanatos Gambit if ''all'' the ''plausible'' outcomes benefit the mastermind in some way.''' At the very least, the planner has to benefit [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose regardless of whether the obvious plan succeeds or fails.]] This is not a shorthand for "any clever, complex, evil plan." You may want EvilPlan for that. Instances of this term that use "Xanatos Gambit" without the key quality of "all (or at least two) plausible outcomes always benefit the mastermind" are ''WRONG''. Please fix them wherever you see them at TVTropes. If you can't decide what kind of plan it is, use ThePlan which is the supertrope for plans in general.


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'''Remember: It's only a Xanatos Gambit if ''all'' the ''plausible'' outcomes benefit the mastermind in some way.''' At the very least, the planner has to benefit [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose regardless of whether the obvious plan succeeds or fails.]] This is not a shorthand for "any clever, complex, evil plan." You may want EvilPlan for that. Instances of this term that use "Xanatos Gambit" without the key quality of "all (or at least two) plausible outcomes always benefit the mastermind" are ''WRONG''. Please fix them wherever you see them at TVTropes.Wiki/TVTropes. If you can't decide what kind of plan it is, use ThePlan which is the supertrope for plans in general.

12th Apr '17 1:35:48 PM Jgamer
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* The Mastermind of ''VisualNovel/DanganRonpa'' is obsessed is with despair, and their plan is ultimately to inflict despair on as many people as possible. [[spoiler: She doesn't exempt herself from the despair. When Naegi ultimately nixes her plans by rallying the students together to end the Mutual Killing Game, she's ecstatic over her own despair over her plan falling apart and gleefully executes herself so that she can feel the ultimate despair of death.]]
10th Apr '17 1:55:30 PM DustSnitch
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* The overarching plot of the Bible (at least according to mainstream Christian interpretations). Adam sinned by deciding humans could decide for themselves what was good or evil, "tainting" all future humans (which, since he and Eve were the First, is ALL humanity) with sin and death, and Jesus gives himself to counter-act this, the life of a perfect man (Adam) for the life of a perfect man (Jesus). Afterwards, everything is basically a Xanatos Gambit by God against Satan. Satan and the wicked have dominion over the earth and can (have, and will) persecute God's true followers and will attempt to destroy them. This could go several ways. 1) If the "wicked" have good hearts, no matter what, they will be called and welcomed to God's followers. Satan loses, Jehovah wins. 2) The wicked try to ignore God's people and continue ruling themselves. They are unable to successfully rule themselves, as God had predicted, and they will be removed from power. Satan loses, Jehovah wins. 3) The wicked and hard-hearted attempt to destroy God's followers. Prophesies are fulfilled, Har-magedon begins, they are destroyed, the good-hearted are heralded into an eternity of happiness in a paradise earth, Satan and his demons are imprisoned and eventually destroyed, resolving the issue of sovereignty once and for all and ending in the destruction of all evil for all time. Satan loses, Jehovah wins. This comes across in ''Literature/TheLionTheWitchAndTheWardrobe''.

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The overarching plot of the Bible (at least according to mainstream Christian interpretations). Adam sinned by deciding humans could decide for themselves what was good or evil, "tainting" all future humans (which, since he and Eve were the First, is ALL humanity) with sin and death, and Jesus gives himself to counter-act this, the life of a perfect man (Adam) for the life of a perfect man (Jesus). Afterwards, everything is basically a Xanatos Gambit by God against Satan. Satan and the wicked have dominion over the earth and can (have, and will) persecute God's true followers and will attempt to destroy them. This could go several ways. 1) If the "wicked" have good hearts, no matter what, they will be called and welcomed to God's followers. Satan loses, Jehovah wins. 2) The wicked try to ignore God's people and continue ruling themselves. They are unable to successfully rule themselves, as God had predicted, and they will be removed from power. Satan loses, Jehovah wins. 3) The wicked and hard-hearted attempt to destroy God's followers. Prophesies are fulfilled, Har-magedon a battle at Armageddon begins, they are destroyed, the good-hearted are heralded into an eternity of happiness in a paradise earth, Satan and his demons are imprisoned and eventually destroyed, resolving the issue of sovereignty once and for all and ending in the destruction of all evil for all time. Satan loses, Jehovah wins. This comes across in ''Literature/TheLionTheWitchAndTheWardrobe''.''Literature/TheLionTheWitchAndTheWardrobe''.
** In the Literature/BookOfGenesis, Joseph plays one when he demands that the brothers give up Benjamin to be his slave and themselves return to Canaan safely. That way, he ensure that either he gets to keep Benjamin with him (if his brothers treat Benjamin like a dispensable family member, as they treated Joseph years ago), or his brothers show a sufficient CharacterArc by refusing to leave Benjamin in Egypt, in which case he reconciles with all of them and brings his entire clan over to Egypt. Luckily for the Israelites, the latter plan eventuates.
1st Apr '17 12:11:19 AM DastardlyDemolition
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** In Special 4: Kitten & Tzeentch play a Children's Card Game, Tzeentch, Chaos god of trickery and schoolyard bully, ''still'' wins at Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker [[spoiler: a.k.a. TableTopGame/YuGiOh]] due his actions. While he lost [[spoiler:Magnus's]] soul he still locked him and Little Kitten in their now-current forms being his [[spoiler:Daemon Primarch]] for the former and turning dull silver ([[PaintingTheMedium even his text]]) into a dull silver. What's worse is they're going to a certain estination and Tzeentch's tricks will make it a lot harder for them.
31st Mar '17 4:54:36 AM Doug86
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* In ''BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'', Comicbook/LexLuthor sets up the fight between Comicbook/{{Superman}} and Comicbook/{{Batman}} so that whoever wins the fight, he wins. He's been manipulating Bruce into a paranoid [[UnstoppableRage rage]], so that the Dark Knight is prepared to [[BatmanGrabsAGun kill]] the Man of Steel, seeing him as a dangerous alien and a threat to humanity. Then Lex kidnaps Martha Kent, offering Clark a SadisticChoice - kill Batman or let Martha die. So the possible outcomes:

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* In ''BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'', ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'', Comicbook/LexLuthor sets up the fight between Comicbook/{{Superman}} Franchise/{{Superman}} and Comicbook/{{Batman}} Franchise/{{Batman}} so that whoever wins the fight, he wins. He's been manipulating Bruce into a paranoid [[UnstoppableRage rage]], so that the Dark Knight is prepared to [[BatmanGrabsAGun kill]] the Man of Steel, seeing him as a dangerous alien and a threat to humanity. Then Lex kidnaps Martha Kent, offering Clark a SadisticChoice - kill Batman or let Martha die. So the possible outcomes:
31st Mar '17 1:23:24 AM Eddy1215
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## Clark is able to convince Bruce to help him and they team up - this is what actually happens, and someone Lex didn't really see coming, but he still has Doomsday, simply releasing the monster to kill both of them. And yes, it ends up with Superman dead. So while it's a PyrrhicVictory - Lex goes to jail, losing his [[VillainWithGoodPublicity reputation]] and his fortune, and Superman is even more beloved by the public as a martyr than when he was alive - but it's a victory nonetheless.

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## Clark is able to convince Bruce to help him and they team up - this is what actually happens, and someone something Lex didn't really see coming, but he still has Doomsday, simply releasing the monster to kill both of them. And yes, it ends up with Superman dead. So while it's a PyrrhicVictory - Lex goes to jail, losing his [[VillainWithGoodPublicity reputation]] and his fortune, and Superman is even more beloved by the public as a martyr than when he was alive - but it's a victory nonetheless.
31st Mar '17 12:05:37 AM upupandaway42
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* In ''BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'', Comicbook/LexLuthor sets up the fight between Comicbook/{{Superman}} and Comicbook/{{Batman}} so that whoever wins the fight, he wins. He's been manipulating Bruce into a paranoid [[UnstoppableRage rage]], so that the Dark Knight is prepared to [[BatmanGrabsAGun kill]] the Man of Steel, seeing him as a dangerous alien and a threat to humanity. Then Lex kidnaps Martha Kent, offering Clark a SadisticChoice - kill Batman or let Martha die. So the possible outcomes:
## Batman kills Superman - Lex has engineered Superman's death and proven that Superman is not "all powerful", plus Clark'll die knowing he failed to save his mother, just to twist the knife).
## Superman wins and is forced to kill Batman - Clark now has blood on his hands, and Lex has proven that Superman is not "all good". Lex can then play his trump card, Doomsday, an almost unstoppable Kryptonian monster even more powerful than Superman. So even if Clark wins, Doomsday will kill him, so Lex still ends up with Superman dead.
## Clark is able to convince Bruce to help him and they team up - this is what actually happens, and someone Lex didn't really see coming, but he still has Doomsday, simply releasing the monster to kill both of them. And yes, it ends up with Superman dead. So while it's a PyrrhicVictory - Lex goes to jail, losing his [[VillainWithGoodPublicity reputation]] and his fortune, and Superman is even more beloved by the public as a martyr than when he was alive - but it's a victory nonetheless.
22nd Mar '17 3:54:22 AM rodneyAnonymous
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** Obi-Wan's mission to kill General Grievous is described as one of these (as well as a UriahGambit) in [[Literature/RevengeOfTheSith the novelization]]. Obi-Wan succeeds and kills Grievous? That's one less pawn that Palpatine would otherwise have to dispose of later. Grievous kills Obi-Wan? One less Jedi in Palpatine's way. The end result of the battle is rather irrelevant; the entire point is to make sure Obi-Wan isn't on Coruscant, where he would otherwise likely be able to stop Anakin from turning to TheDarkSide.

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** Obi-Wan's mission to kill General Grievous is described as one of these (as well as a UriahGambit) in [[Literature/RevengeOfTheSith the novelization]]. Obi-Wan succeeds and kills Grievous? That's one less pawn that Palpatine would otherwise have to dispose of later. Grievous kills Obi-Wan? One less Jedi in Palpatine's way. The end result of the battle is rather irrelevant; the entire point is to make sure Obi-Wan isn't on Coruscant, where he would otherwise likely be able to stop Anakin from turning to TheDarkSide.
18th Mar '17 6:19:07 PM nombretomado
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* {{Neopets}}: In the Faerie's Ruin plot [[spoiler:Xandra]]'s second plan. The heroes try to get a special artifact to reverse the spell that transformed the faeries into stone. It doesn't matter if they succeed or not, either way Fairy land is screwed. [[spoiler:The artifact is useless by itself and is just a power amplifier. Even if the heroes get the artifact on time Xandra will simply use the artifact to transform the heroes into stone too.]]

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* {{Neopets}}: {{Website/Neopets}}: In the Faerie's Ruin plot [[spoiler:Xandra]]'s second plan. The heroes try to get a special artifact to reverse the spell that transformed the faeries into stone. It doesn't matter if they succeed or not, either way Fairy land is screwed. [[spoiler:The artifact is useless by itself and is just a power amplifier. Even if the heroes get the artifact on time Xandra will simply use the artifact to transform the heroes into stone too.]]



** Recently given a bit of insight in "Ayla and the Birthday Brawl" chapter 11, Ayla tells a minor character the truth on a detail. He then gives a little inner monologue on how this helps. Either it disarms the person, or he gains crucial details. Whatever happens, he gets out ahead.

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** Recently given Given a bit of insight in "Ayla and the Birthday Brawl" chapter 11, Ayla tells a minor character the truth on a detail. He then gives a little inner monologue on how this helps. Either it disarms the person, or he gains crucial details. Whatever happens, he gets out ahead.
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