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*** Played straight when it comes to ethnic cleansing or slaughters caused without the intent of exterminating outright a population: French historians consider that a genocide is a genocide only if the extermination of the population is the clear and absolute objective of whoever is commiting said genocide: when people are killed so their neighbours will flee the country (Darfur, Bosnia...), it's not considered to be a genocide. When civilians are starved or indiscriminately killed in order to stave of a rebellion (Ukraine's famine, War of Algeria...), it's not considered to be a genocide. When a population is destroyed as a result of uncarring colonization of outright incompetence (Native Americans, Easter Islanders...), it is not considered to be a genocide. For French historians, '''intent''' is a really effin SeriousBusiness
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** The USA was a particular abuser of this - since the Somalian intervention in 1993 blew up in their face, they didn't want to risk another failure.
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* While people are getting slaughtered by the thousand in Equatorial Kundu on TheWestWing, C.J. Cregg is not allowed by the White House legal counsel to say the word "genocide" in front of the press.
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* NeverLetMeGo: People "are completed" on an industrial scale. [[spoiler:And "completed" actually equals "murdered".]]
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** That's because saying genocide can easily generate an InternetBackdraft. Kind of ironic (and saddening) when you consider that ''committing'' genocide can raise a lot less eyebrows and go unnoticed...

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** That's because saying genocide can easily generate an InternetBackdraft. Kind of ironic (and saddening) when you consider that ''committing'' genocide can raise a lot less eyebrows and go unnoticed...
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* In StarCraft, Mengsk crosses a MoralEventHorizon by having the entire civilian population of the planet Tarsonis slaughtered by the alien Zerg so that he can crown himself emperor. In StarCraft II, he starts out as a VillainWithGoodPublicity who have managed to erase all traces of his crime. His loyal lackeys all shut up about it (or did he have them all assassinated?), and in the public social life of the empire it's out of line to point out that the Zerg invasion of Tarsonis was convenient for Mengsk's powergrab. To imply that the emperor was actually behind the attack is surely out of the question. Of course, there is one single exception to this dreadfully polite silence: Our hero, the main character, the "Traitor & Terrorist" Jim Reynor. [[spoiler: Oh, and the genocide ''really'' backfires on Mengsk once the hero's forces have taken over the television network so the truth can no longer be suppressed.]]

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* In StarCraft, Mengsk crosses a MoralEventHorizon by having the entire civilian population of the planet Tarsonis slaughtered by the alien Zerg so that he can crown himself emperor. In StarCraft II, he starts out as a VillainWithGoodPublicity who have managed to erase all traces of his crime. His loyal lackeys all shut up about it (or did he have them all assassinated?), and in the public social life of the empire it's out of line to point out that the Zerg invasion of Tarsonis was convenient for Mengsk's powergrab. To imply that the emperor was actually behind the attack is surely out of the question. Of course, there is one single exception to this dreadfully polite silence: Our hero, the main character, the "Traitor & Terrorist" Jim Reynor.Raynor. [[spoiler: Oh, and the genocide ''really'' backfires on Mengsk once the hero's forces have taken over the television network so the truth can no longer be suppressed.]]
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* During World War II, most Germans and a lot of people in the allied nations as well refused to acknowledge that the concentration camps was really death camps -- even if they knew the truth for certain, it was so much easier to pretend it wasn't happening. To this day, there are still people who cling to the fantasy that the holocaust didn't happen at all, or that it only happened to the Jews -- thus retconning away the six millon ''other'' victims: the gays, the intellectuals, the romani, the mentally disabled, and so on.

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* During World War II, most Germans and a lot of people in the allied nations as well refused to acknowledge that the concentration camps was were really death camps -- even if they knew the truth for certain, it was so much easier to pretend it wasn't happening. To this day, there are still people who cling to the fantasy that the holocaust didn't happen at all, or that it only happened to the Jews -- thus retconning away the six millon ''other'' victims: the gays, the intellectuals, the romani, the mentally disabled, and so on.
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** It's inverted in Switzerland in France, where it's rude NOT to say genocide and you can be arrested and fined for denying the Armenian genocide publicly (it's the same with the Holocaust).

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** It's inverted in Switzerland in and France, where it's rude NOT to say genocide and you can be arrested and fined for denying the Armenian genocide publicly (it's the same with the Holocaust).
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** It's inverted in Switzerland in France, where it's rude NOT to say genocide and you can be arrested and fined for denying the Armenian genocide publicly (it's the same with the Holocaust).
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* [[DoctorWho I think we all know of a certain Race whose goal is to implement Type C on anything that isn't them]]. They're motto? ''' ''[[NightmareFuelUnleaded EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!!]]'' '''

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* [[DoctorWho I think we all know of a certain Race whose goal is to implement Type C on anything that isn't them]]. They're Their motto? ''' ''[[NightmareFuelUnleaded EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!!]]'' '''
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** Not that it makes it any more right, but the Turks also did this to the Pontic Greeks, another genocide they don't like to acknowledge.
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* The disappearance of the Turks from Greece and the Balkans can pretty much be discribed as this, with the various national movements killing or expelling as many muslims as they could find upon victory. Fully a third of the modern Turkish Republic's are decended from such [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhajir_(Turkey) Rumelian Muhajirs]].
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* YggdraUnion has lots of Type A when you get to the part where [[spoiler: Yggdra has finally forced the Empire out of her country, then decides to invade Bronquia and destroy it. Even after Kylier tries to get her to realize that she's going to become the new 'evil invader', Yggdra tells her "This is Justice." Then the game forces you to mow through the 'Bronquian Militia', which is a basically a bunch of level 1 units trying to defend their homeland, and makes you feel very bad about it.]] "What is Justice?" is a question that a lot of people are asking throughout the game.
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* [[DoctorWho I think we all know of a certain Race whose goal is to implement Type C on anything that isn't them]]. They're motto? ''' ''[[NightmareFuelUnleaded EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!!]]'' '''
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The bad guys (or [[WhatTheHellHero the good guys]]) are currently in the process of executing a FinalSolution or similar process. Alternatively, they are simply going about their business, and some pesky population happened to get in the way and got exterminated as a side effect. In either case, let's not be rude!

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The bad guys (or [[WhatTheHellHero [[MoralDissonance the good guys]]) are currently in the process of executing a FinalSolution or similar process. Alternatively, they are simply going about their business, and some pesky population happened to get in the way and got exterminated as a side effect. In either case, let's not be rude!
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* The term "Genocide" originated in the mid 1940s, so it would be impossible for anything predating that to be called such by contemporary sources.

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* The term "Genocide" [[NewerThanTheyThink originated in the mid 1940s, 1940s]], so it would be impossible for anything predating that to be called such by contemporary sources. sources, though debates on ascribing the term to certain historical atrocities are still waged between the descendants of those involved.
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* The term "Genocide" originated in the mid 1940s, so it would be impossible for anything predating that to be called such by contemporary sources.
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Please be careful with RealLife examples; only use ones where there is now an international consensus that it was indeed a genocide.

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Please be careful with RealLife examples; only use ones where there is now an international consensus that it was indeed a genocide.
genocide. Yes, we realize that makes this a SelfDemonstratingArticle.
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* OlderThanFeudalism: The Roman destruction of Carthage and it's entire population was widely lauded by Romans of its time as both just and necessary, with the worst aspects of Punic culture used as added justification for their annihilation.

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* OlderThanFeudalism: The Roman destruction of Carthage and it's its entire population was widely lauded by Romans of its time as both just and necessary, with the worst aspects of Punic culture used as added justification for their annihilation.
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* SonicTheHedgehog 2 had a planned-but-deleted zone called Genocide City, which was replaced by the third act of Metropolis Zone after the Japanese developers bothered to look up what the word meant.

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* SonicTheHedgehog 2 SonicTheHedgehog2 had a planned-but-deleted zone called Genocide City, which was replaced by the third act of Metropolis Zone after the Japanese developers bothered to look up what the word meant.
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* SonicTheHedgehog 2 had a planned-but-deleted zone called Genocide City, which was replaced by the third act of Metropolis Zone.

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* SonicTheHedgehog 2 had a planned-but-deleted zone called Genocide City, which was replaced by the third act of Metropolis Zone.Zone after the Japanese developers bothered to look up what the word meant.
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* All the cases of FinalSolution in TheBible use Type A: God is the definition of goodness, so whatever population of human beings he chose to exterminate (or have exterminated by his followers) automatically qualifies as AlwaysChaoticEvil.
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* All the cases of FinalSolution in TheBible use Type A: God is the definition of goodness, so whatever population of human beings he chose to exterminate (or have exterminated by his followers) automatically qualifies as AlwaysChaoticEvil.
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* During the genocide in Darfur, European authorities were very reluctant to call it a genocide, instead repeating the cop-out from Rwanda and calling it "Genocide-like acts". In this particular case, they had signed some law saying that they ''must'' intervene in genocides, but intervening would cost them a lot of resources, with no oil or similar to be gained. Thus it was not a genocide.

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* During the genocide in Darfur, European authorities were very reluctant to call it a genocide, instead repeating the cop-out from Rwanda and calling it "Genocide-like acts". In this particular case, they had signed some law saying that they ''must'' intervene in genocides, but intervening would cost make them look bad, as intervention has become a lot very dirty word [[TheWarOnTerror in light of resources, with no oil or similar to be gained. recent events.]] Thus it was not a genocide.
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*** Israel and Turkey's relations have since pretty much smoldered for different reasons.
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** This caused a major controversy when Abraham Foxman, of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League, urged congress not to recognize the Armenian Genocide. This [[{{WhatTheHellHero}} was not considered becoming]] of one of America's most respected civil rights organizations. His rationale was to appease Turkey and encourage them to keep supporting Israel, but the internal conflict proved to be too much and the ADL has since downplayed the issue.

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** This caused a major controversy when Abraham Foxman, of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League, urged congress not to recognize the Armenian Genocide. This [[{{WhatTheHellHero}} was not considered becoming]] of one of America's most respected civil rights organizations. His rationale was to appease Turkey and encourage them to keep supporting Israel, but the internal conflict proved to be too much and the ADL has since downplayed the issue.
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** This caused a major controversy when Abraham Foxman, of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League, urged congress not to recognize the Armenian Genocide. This [[{{WhatTheHellHero}} was not considered becoming]] of one of America's most respected civil rights organizations. His rationale was to appease Turkey and encourage them to keep supporting Israel, but the internal conflict proved to be too much and the ADL has since downplayed the issue.
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** That's because saying genocide can easily generate an InternetBackdraft. Kind of ironic (and saddening) when you consider that ''committing'' genocide can raise a lot less eyebrows and go unnoticed...
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It\'s mentioned \'\'now\'\', and people read the page rather then the page history. :-) Please add more info, btw :-)


* The Armenian Genocide. Why hasn't this been mentioned yet?

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* The Armenian Genocide. Why hasn't this been mentioned yet?\n
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* The Armenian Genocide. Why hasn't this been mentioned yet?

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