History Main / WeaponsUnderstudies

19th Jan '17 5:49:33 AM Solicitr
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This trope is fading with CGI able to provide any weapons system you need. Furthermore, Soviet equipment like T-34, T-55, and T-72 tanks are increasingly available for discount prices, as well as on loan from US-friendly former East Bloc states such as Poland and the Czech Republic. This can replace German equipment in WorldWarII movies also, as the Germans and Soviets extensively studied each others' equipment: if a T-55 with cheap wooden and plastic add-ons is painted to look like a Panther, even many military buffs will be fooled.[[note]]Except when the undercarriage is shown in detail - the German late WWII-style of interleaved road wheels was rather bothersome in practice, and so it was not copied after the war.[[/note]] But prior to its development it was not uncommon to see German Panzer divisions equipped with repainted American M47 tanks, the Luftwaffe flying P-51 Mustangs or Soviets flying Republic F-84 Thunderjets. Japanese Zeros were often played by North American T-6 Texan planes. One can even occasionally see a VW Type 181 [[MarketBasedTitle Thing/Safari/Trekker]] from TheSeventies subbing for a WorldWarTwo Kuebelwagen, even though the latter are by no means hard to come by.

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This trope is fading with CGI able to provide any weapons system you need. Furthermore, Soviet equipment like T-34, T-55, and T-72 tanks are increasingly available for discount prices, as well as on loan from US-friendly former East Bloc states such as Poland and the Czech Republic. This can replace German equipment in WorldWarII movies also, as the Germans and Soviets extensively studied each others' equipment: if a T-55 with cheap wooden and plastic add-ons is painted to look like a Panther, even many military buffs will be fooled.[[note]]Except when the undercarriage is shown in detail - the German late WWII-style of interleaved road wheels was rather bothersome in practice, and so it was not copied after the war.[[/note]] But prior to its development it was not uncommon to see German Panzer divisions equipped with repainted American M47 tanks, the Luftwaffe flying P-51 Mustangs or Soviets flying Republic F-84 Thunderjets. Japanese Zeros were often played by North American T-6 Texan planes. One can even occasionally see a VW Type 181 [[MarketBasedTitle Thing/Safari/Trekker]] from TheSeventies subbing for a WorldWarTwo Kuebelwagen, even though the latter are by no means hard to come by.
by. Warships (before CGI) were the most challenging, because they aren't to be found in enthusiasts' garages or even museum collections; filmmakers historically had to rely on models, wartime stock footage (often an AnachronismStew), or, if BackedByThePentagon, wildly inappropriate modern ships.


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* In ''Film/TheCaineMutiny'' the titular ship, supposedly a WWI-era Clemson/Wickes-class destroyer converted to a destroyer-minesweeper (DMS), was played by the very different WWII-era USS ''Thompson'', a Gleaves-class destroyer which was brand spanking new in 1943, but which at least was also a DMS conversion.
15th Jan '17 7:24:04 AM LentilSandEater
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This trope is fading with CGI able to provide any weapons system you need. Furthermore, Soviet equipment like T-34, T-55, and T-72 tanks are increasingly available for discount prices, as well as on loan from US-friendly former East Bloc states such as Poland and the Czech Republic. This can replace German equipment in WorldWarII movies also, as the Germans and Soviets extensively studied each others' equipment: if a T-55 with cheap wooden and plastic add-ons is painted to look like a Panther, even many military buffs will be fooled.[[note]]Not really when the undercarriage is shown in detail - the German late WWII-style of interleaved road wheels was rather bothersome in practice, and so it was not copied after the war.[[/note]] But prior to its development it was not uncommon to see German Panzer divisions equipped with repainted American M47 tanks, the Luftwaffe flying P-51 Mustangs or Soviets flying Republic F-84 Thunderjets. Japanese Zeros were often played by North American T-6 Texan planes. One can even occasionally see a VW Type 181 [[MarketBasedTitle Thing/Safari/Trekker]] from TheSeventies subbing for a WorldWarTwo Kuebelwagen, even though the latter are by no means hard to come by.

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This trope is fading with CGI able to provide any weapons system you need. Furthermore, Soviet equipment like T-34, T-55, and T-72 tanks are increasingly available for discount prices, as well as on loan from US-friendly former East Bloc states such as Poland and the Czech Republic. This can replace German equipment in WorldWarII movies also, as the Germans and Soviets extensively studied each others' equipment: if a T-55 with cheap wooden and plastic add-ons is painted to look like a Panther, even many military buffs will be fooled.[[note]]Not really [[note]]Except when the undercarriage is shown in detail - the German late WWII-style of interleaved road wheels was rather bothersome in practice, and so it was not copied after the war.[[/note]] But prior to its development it was not uncommon to see German Panzer divisions equipped with repainted American M47 tanks, the Luftwaffe flying P-51 Mustangs or Soviets flying Republic F-84 Thunderjets. Japanese Zeros were often played by North American T-6 Texan planes. One can even occasionally see a VW Type 181 [[MarketBasedTitle Thing/Safari/Trekker]] from TheSeventies subbing for a WorldWarTwo Kuebelwagen, even though the latter are by no means hard to come by.
14th Dec '16 5:47:18 PM HashiriyaR32
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* ''Film/USSIndianapolisMenOfCourage'' has the battleship USS ''Alabama'' and submarine USS ''Drum'' depicting the ''Indianapolis'' and ''I-58'', respectively, due to the fact that no pre-WWII-era "Treaty" Cruisers and Japanese submarines are afloat to this day.

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* ''Film/USSIndianapolisMenOfCourage'' ''Film/UnderSiege'' has the battleship USS ''Alabama'' and submarine USS ''Drum'' depicting the USS ''Missouri'' and a North Korean submarine, respectively.
* The ''Alabama'' and ''Drum'' were called upon once again in ''Film/USSIndianapolisMenOfCourage'', where they depicted
the ''Indianapolis'' and ''I-58'', respectively, due to the fact that no pre-WWII-era "Treaty" Cruisers and nor Japanese submarines are afloat to this day.
20th Oct '16 10:01:10 AM Morgenthaler
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** ''Film/{{Midway}}'' does much the same thing in using the T-6 as a stand-in for Japanese planes. Most of the scenes showing American TBD Devastators and SBD Dauntlesses are depicted using [=SB2U=] Vindicators. Several restored FM-2 Wildcats were used to represent the [=F4F-4s=], though this is much more justified as the FM-2 is a late-war variant of the [=F4F=] and looks mostly identical. Mockups of SBD Dauntless dive bombers and TBD Devastator torpedo bombers also appear in some hangar sequences. Midway is also infamous for using historical stock footage anachronistically, resulting in scenes that show aircraft which did not exist at the time of the battle. Towards the end, there's even a brief shot of an American post-war jet fighter (possibly a [=F9F=] Panther)crashing onto the deck of a carrier.

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** * ''Film/{{Midway}}'' does much the same thing in using the T-6 as a stand-in for Japanese planes. Most of the scenes showing American TBD Devastators and SBD Dauntlesses are depicted using [=SB2U=] Vindicators. Several restored FM-2 Wildcats were used to represent the [=F4F-4s=], though this is much more justified as the FM-2 is a late-war variant of the [=F4F=] and looks mostly identical. Mockups of SBD Dauntless dive bombers and TBD Devastator torpedo bombers also appear in some hangar sequences. Midway is also infamous for using historical stock footage anachronistically, resulting in scenes that show aircraft which did not exist at the time of the battle. Towards the end, there's even a brief shot of an American post-war jet fighter (possibly a [=F9F=] Panther)crashing onto the deck of a carrier.
2nd Sep '16 7:09:25 AM isolato
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* ''Film/USSIndianapolisMenOfCourage'' has the battleship USS ''Alabama'' and submarine USS ''Drum'' depicting the ''Indianapolis'' and ''I-58'', r respectively, due to the fact that no pre-WWII-era "Treaty" Cruisers and Japanese submarines are afloat to this day.

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* ''Film/USSIndianapolisMenOfCourage'' has the battleship USS ''Alabama'' and submarine USS ''Drum'' depicting the ''Indianapolis'' and ''I-58'', r respectively, due to the fact that no pre-WWII-era "Treaty" Cruisers and Japanese submarines are afloat to this day.
1st Sep '16 4:33:32 AM Rmpdc
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* ''Film/USSIndianapolisMenOfCourage'' has the battleship USS ''Alabama'' and submarine USS ''Drum'' depicting the ''Indianapolis'' and ''I-58'', r respectively, due to the fact that no pre-WWII-era "Treaty" Cruisers and Japanese submarines are afloat to this day.
9th Jul '16 5:24:40 PM maxwellsilver
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* In ''Film/RedDawn1984'', Aerospatiale Puma helicopters with added doodads play Mi-24 "Hind-A" helicopters (a very ''good'' likeness of the "Hind-A"). A mock-up of a T-72 tank was so accurate it caught the attention of two CIA men who wanted to know where it had come from.

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* In ''Film/RedDawn1984'', Aerospatiale Puma helicopters with added doodads play Mi-24 "Hind-A" helicopters (a very ''good'' likeness of the "Hind-A"). A mock-up of a T-72 tank was so accurate it caught the attention of two CIA men who wanted to know where it had come from. One of the Pumas was reused in ''Film/RamboFirstBloodPartII'' and again in ''Film/RamboIII'', with the fake canopy removed because it created unsafe flight characteristics. The pylons were kept as they were solid modifications that did not effect airworthiness.
9th Jul '16 4:08:27 PM maxwellsilver
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* The short-lived series ''Supercarrier'' featured an American F-16 Fighting Falcon playing the (fictitious) [=MiG=]-28. Or, at least it did for the majority of shots. Then in the one sequence, the same plane was "played" by foortage of an F-16, an F-5, very blatant StockFootage of an F-14 and, finally, a very obvious model of an F/A-18. ''Supercarrier'' was like that.

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* The short-lived series ''Supercarrier'' featured an American F-16 Fighting Falcon playing the (fictitious) [=MiG=]-28. Or, at least it did for the majority of shots. Then in the one sequence, the same plane was "played" by foortage footage of an F-16, an F-5, very blatant StockFootage of an F-14 and, finally, a very obvious model of an F/A-18. ''Supercarrier'' was like that.



* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_H-19 Sikorsky H-19/S-55 helicopters]] which were used in lieu of Soviet [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-24 Hind helicopters]]. They not only played the part, they were actually [[http://www.rotaryaction.com/pages/redawn84.html dressed up for the part as well]]. The final result looks remarkably Hind-like -- the likeness was even better than the dressed up choppers in ''Film/RedDawn1984''.

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_H-19 Sikorsky H-19/S-55 helicopters]] which were used in lieu of Soviet [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-24 Hind helicopters]]. They not only played the part, they were actually [[http://www.rotaryaction.com/pages/redawn84.html dressed up for the part as well]]. The final result looks remarkably Hind-like -- the likeness was even better than the dressed up choppers in ''Film/RedDawn1984''.''Film/RedDawn1984'', ''Film/RamboFirstBloodPartII'' and ''Film/RamboIII''.
9th Jul '16 4:06:18 PM maxwellsilver
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* '''Averted''' in ''{{Film/Fury|2014}}''. The Shermans that appear are authentic models that were in service during the final weeks of the war. Plus, there's a real Tiger tank in it. Not a mock-up, not a CGI render, but an actual, serviceable ''Panzerkampfwagen VI, Tiger I (E), [=SdKfz=] 181''. It was donated for production from the Bovington Museum, and is the only operational Tiger tank in existence.
** [[spoiler:Obviously however, they were able to build a mockup of Tiger 131 for the destruction and burning of the Tiger in the film. Else Bovington wouldn't have lent the Tiger out in the first place.]]
9th Jul '16 4:03:53 PM maxwellsilver
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** This might also slightly overlap with TanksButNoTanks, because the Marder [=IIIs=] are identified as ''Panzers'' in the film.
*** Justified in this instance. When Allied soldiers saw a giant hulk of metal with German insignia coming towards them, they weren't going to be picky on what to call it.
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