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28th Jun '16 3:25:29 AM spydre
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* King Goujian of Yue, a pre-Imperial Chinese ruler, would terrorise his opponents by having his front line march out to the middle of the field and decapitate themselves (or, in some accounts, slit their own throats, which makes more sense).
* A rather cold-hearted take on this is sometimes cited by more bellicose Indian generals in response to the logic of Mutual Assured Destruction in the event of a nuclear war with Pakistan, arguing that it doesn't apply, since if an Indian strike takes out 200 million Pakistanis, it has exterminated the country, whereas if a Pakistani strike takes out 200 million Indians, they still have over a billion left.
26th Jun '16 5:35:00 PM Nintendoman01
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* ''Manga/DragonBallZ'': [[GalacticConquerer Frieza]] has absolutely no concern for the lives of his men, to the point that he takes virtually any excuse he can to kill them himself. A big part of the Namek Saga consists of him sending wave after wave of his mooks after the Z-Fighters until there's literally ''no one'' left.



** Kiria's plan in Act III, which involved infecting dozens, if not hundreds, of his agents with [[PsychoSerum Blackheart]] and then sending them back in time. Between Blackheart's one-hour time limit and the life-stealing cost of Chrono Displacement, those minions were doomed no matter what.

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** Kiria's plan in Act III, which involved infecting dozens, if not hundreds, of his agents with [[PsychoSerum Blackheart]] and then sending them back in time. Between Blackheart's one-hour time limit before it kills the infected and the life-stealing cost of Chrono Displacement, those minions were doomed no matter what.
22nd Jun '16 3:04:22 PM godzillavkk
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* ''Series/{{Game Of Thrones}}'': Similar to Longshanks in Braveheart Ramsay Bolton, [[BigBad the main villain of seasons 5 and 6]] repeatedly orders his own archers to fire volleys when his own men are directly engaging Jon Snow's army. Unlike Longshanks however, he is defeated in the battle.

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* ''Series/{{Game Of Thrones}}'': Similar to Longshanks in Braveheart Ramsay Bolton, [[BigBad the main villain of seasons 5 and 6]] repeatedly orders his own archers to fire volleys when his own men are directly engaging Jon Snow's army.army knowing full well his own men will be hit by them along with Jon;s. Unlike Longshanks however, he is defeated in the battle.
22nd Jun '16 3:03:25 PM godzillavkk
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*''Series/{{Game Of Thrones}}'': Similar to Longshanks in Braveheart Ramsay Bolton, [[BigBad the main villain of seasons 5 and 6]] repeatedly orders his own archers to fire volleys when his own men are directly engaging Jon Snow's army. Unlike Longshanks however, he is defeated in the battle.
11th Jun '16 4:20:30 PM nombretomado
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* In the ''SwordOfTruth'' series, the Imperial Order has this methodology, partly because they believe the next best thing to killing unbelievers is to die while killing unbelievers, partly because they believe individuals are worthless, and partly because the army is so massive that even if they lose a million men, that's still barely a dent in their forces.

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* In the ''SwordOfTruth'' ''Literature/SwordOfTruth'' series, the Imperial Order has this methodology, partly because they believe the next best thing to killing unbelievers is to die while killing unbelievers, partly because they believe individuals are worthless, and partly because the army is so massive that even if they lose a million men, that's still barely a dent in their forces.
8th Jun '16 11:29:24 PM ThePocket
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* This is basically how you deal with the Combine in the Nova Prospekt level of ''VideoGame/HalfLife2'': Keep sending wave after wave of antlions after them. You don't really even have to do this on purpose for the most part; the antlions will just naturally keep spawning, follow close behind you, and attack any humanoid that's not you. However, if you're [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential feeling particularly lackadaisical]], you can also use them to clear out tripmines. (LetsPlay/SpoilerWarning had some fun with this; see below.)



* Humourously spoofed in ''WebAnimation/HomestarRunner'''s ShowWithinAShow ''Cheat Commandoes'', where Gunhaver shows absolutely no concern for the safety of the "[[RedShirt Green Helmets]]":

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* Humourously spoofed in ''WebAnimation/HomestarRunner'''s ShowWithinAShow ''Cheat Commandoes'', Commandos'', where Gunhaver shows absolutely no concern for the safety of the "[[RedShirt Green Helmets]]":


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* As mentioned above, LetsPlay/SpoilerWarning found it amusing that this is a common way to deal with Combine tripmines in ''VideoGame/HalfLife2'', and started quoting the examples from ''Shrek'', ''Cheat Commandos'', and ''Futurama''.
30th May '16 11:33:07 AM DaibhidC
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* The first episode of season 3 of ''Series/TheMusketeers'' opens with the musketeers at the front of the war with Spain, and Athos arguing with a general who wants them to keep charging at the enemy despite the fact the Spanish have cannon and they don't.
19th May '16 8:09:39 PM Codefreak5
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* ''WebComic/BrawlInTheFamily'' provides the current page image, in a comic that shows the contrast between the ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' tactician and the ''VideoGame/AdvanceWars'' one. The former focuses on his troops' continued survival (being in a video game where [[CastOfSnowflakes any one of the unique units]] [[AnyoneCanDie can die]]), while the latter encourages aggressive tactics without caring about his troops' casualties, because he "can always buy more troops." [[http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/2014/04/15/559-tacticians/ The full comic can be seen here.]]

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* ''WebComic/BrawlInTheFamily'' provides the current page image, in a comic that shows the contrast between the ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' tactician and the ''VideoGame/AdvanceWars'' one. The former focuses on his troops' continued survival (being in a video game where [[CastOfSnowflakes any one of the unique units]] [[AnyoneCanDie can die]]), while the latter encourages aggressive tactics without caring about his troops' casualties, because he "can always buy more troops." [[http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/2014/04/15/559-tacticians/ com/comic/title-559/ The full comic can be seen here.]]
18th May '16 11:59:27 AM LentilSandEater
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** The Roman reaction to the disastrous battle of Cannae, the bloodiest day in Roman history to that point, with the virtually the entire Roman army annihilated? Raise another army and outlaw even speaking the word ''pax'' (''peace'').
*** Interestingly, Hannibal, the winner of Cannae, ''[[GenreSavvy knew]]'' [[GenreSavvy it, and his entire strategy in the]] [[UsefulNotes/PunicWars Second Punic War]] [[GenreSavvy was a well-thought attempt at working around this]]: knowing that the Romans' numerical superiority mostly came from the troops provided by their allies in Italy, he invaded Italy with a small but well-trained and ''magnificently'' led army and started inflicting crushing defeats after crushing defeats in the attempt to scare and impress the Italian population in defecting to his side, thus ''stealing away Rome's numerical superiority''. While partially effective, this strategy didn't cause enough defections, to the point that, right after Cannae, the Romans could effectively keep ''six'' armies in the field: one facing Hannibal and [[DeathOfAThousandCuts launching raids to slowly destroy his army]], one in Northern Italy facing his Gaulish allies, one in Southern Italy facing the Samnites and the other populations who had defected from the alliance with Rome (this one would also occasionally fight Hannibal because most of the time he was in the area), one in ''Spain'' to attack Hannibal's base of operation, one in ''the Balkans'' to face the Macedons (who had entered the war because, after Cannae, they had figured the Romans were too weak to defend their allies in Greece), and ''the survivors of Cannae'' [[TheDogBitesBack destroying the Sicilian cities that had defected to Hannibal]]. His situation only grew worse from that: the Carthaginians managed to destroy the army deployed in Spain, but by that point Hannibal's allies in Sicily had been destroyed or cowed into defecting back to Rome, the Gauls were broken as an effective fighting force and the Macedons [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere had realized what was happening and sued for peace]], meaning the survivors of Cannae could go to Spain and finish the job, the army of Northern Italy could pick off the Carthaginian troops that had escaped Spain and were trying to join Hannibal, and the forces of the army of the Balkans had been divided between the Northern and the Southern Italy armies to allow them to finish their job faster. ''Then'' the survivors of Cannae [[UpToEleven raised reinforcements in Spain and Sicily]] and invaded Africa, where they [[{{Irony}} successfully stole Carthage's main ally]].

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** The Roman reaction to the disastrous battle of Cannae, the bloodiest day in Roman history to that point, with the virtually the entire Roman army annihilated? Raise another army and outlaw even speaking the word ''pax'' (''peace'').
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(''peace''). Interestingly, Hannibal, the winner of Cannae, ''[[GenreSavvy knew]]'' [[GenreSavvy '' knew'' it, and his entire strategy in the]] the [[UsefulNotes/PunicWars Second Punic War]] [[GenreSavvy was a [[ExploitedTrope well-thought attempt at working around this]]: knowing that the Romans' numerical superiority mostly came from the troops provided by their allies in Italy, he invaded Italy with a small but well-trained and ''magnificently'' led army and started inflicting crushing defeats after crushing defeats in the attempt to scare and impress the Italian population in defecting to his side, thus ''stealing away Rome's numerical superiority''. While partially effective, this strategy didn't cause enough defections, to the point that, right after Cannae, the Romans could effectively keep ''six'' armies in the field: one facing Hannibal and [[DeathOfAThousandCuts launching raids to slowly destroy his army]], one in Northern Italy facing his Gaulish allies, one in Southern Italy facing the Samnites and the other populations who had defected from the alliance with Rome (this one would also occasionally fight Hannibal because most of the time he was in the area), one in ''Spain'' to attack Hannibal's base of operation, one in ''the Balkans'' to face the Macedons (who had entered the war because, after Cannae, they had figured the Romans were too weak to defend their allies in Greece), and ''the survivors of Cannae'' [[TheDogBitesBack destroying the Sicilian cities that had defected to Hannibal]]. His situation only grew worse from that: the Carthaginians managed to destroy the army deployed in Spain, but by that point Hannibal's allies in Sicily had been destroyed or cowed into defecting back to Rome, the Gauls were broken as an effective fighting force and the Macedons [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere had realized what was happening and sued for peace]], meaning the survivors of Cannae could go to Spain and finish the job, the army of Northern Italy could pick off the Carthaginian troops that had escaped Spain and were trying to join Hannibal, and the forces of the army of the Balkans had been divided between the Northern and the Southern Italy armies to allow them to finish their job faster. ''Then'' the survivors of Cannae [[UpToEleven raised reinforcements in Spain and Sicily]] and invaded Africa, where they [[{{Irony}} successfully stole Carthage's main ally]].
15th May '16 11:50:49 PM azul120
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After a moment like this, the character might as well have '''''asshole''''' printed on his forehead. Bonus points if he refers to his troops as being trash or somehow subhuman, or if he does it not because [[IDidWhatIHadToDo he sincerely believes that doing this is necessary to win]], but [[GloryHound in pursuit of his own glory/making a name for himself]]. A WeHaveReserves commander is very much a BadBoss, and a reason why there is such a high mortality rate among [[RedshirtArmy Redshirt Armies]], FacelessGoons, {{Mooks}}, and the like.

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After a moment like this, the character might as well have '''''asshole''''' printed on his forehead. Bonus points if he refers to his troops as being trash or somehow subhuman, or if he does it not because [[IDidWhatIHadToDo he sincerely believes that doing this is necessary to win]], but [[GloryHound in pursuit of his own glory/making a name for himself]]. A WeHaveReserves We Have Reserves commander is very much a BadBoss, and a reason why there is such a high mortality rate among [[RedshirtArmy Redshirt Armies]], FacelessGoons, {{Mooks}}, and the like.



* Jaime Lannister of ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' may be trying to go the route of TheAtoner, but when he finds himself caught between two oaths he means to keep (never raising arms against a certain family, and as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, ending that family's defiance of the King), he tries to TakeAThirdOption and convince the enemy lord to surrender without a battle by giving a ToThePain speech full of how he'll win due to WeHaveReserves.

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* Jaime Lannister of ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' may be trying to go the route of TheAtoner, but when he finds himself caught between two oaths he means to keep (never raising arms against a certain family, and as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, ending that family's defiance of the King), he tries to TakeAThirdOption and convince the enemy lord to surrender without a battle by giving a ToThePain speech full of how he'll win due to WeHaveReserves.We Have Reserves.



* Used in the backstory of ''[[Literature/{{Accelerando}} Glasshouse]]''. When every soldier you have is a killbot who can be run by the backup memory engram of one of your soldiers, and materiel synthesis for said killbots is only as limited as the amount of energy you can draw from any given source of nuclear energy (up to and including the hearts of stars), "WeHaveReserves" is less of a viable tactical option and more of an inevitability. It's eventually implied that [[spoiler: there may have been [[ExpendableClone copies of as few as two or three different people on the front lines of the army in question]]]], taking this trope and the spoilered trope [[UpToEleven far beyond their reasonable conclusions]].

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* Used in the backstory of ''[[Literature/{{Accelerando}} Glasshouse]]''. When every soldier you have is a killbot who can be run by the backup memory engram of one of your soldiers, and materiel synthesis for said killbots is only as limited as the amount of energy you can draw from any given source of nuclear energy (up to and including the hearts of stars), "WeHaveReserves" "We Have Reserves" is less of a viable tactical option and more of an inevitability. It's eventually implied that [[spoiler: there may have been [[ExpendableClone copies of as few as two or three different people on the front lines of the army in question]]]], taking this trope and the spoilered trope [[UpToEleven far beyond their reasonable conclusions]].



* In ''StarWarsBattlefront'', there's a game mode called Galactic Conquest where either 1 player faces off against the computer or 2 players face each other trying to conquer planets one by one across the galaxy. Each planet conquered will give a different bonus that a player can use in battle. One of these is called secondary reinforcements and it has some elements of WeHaveReserves. The way it works is that at several points in the battle when your troop count falls to a certain number you will suddenly get new troops added to the count, imitating a new wave of troops coming into battle. These troops seem to be [[SurroundedByIdiots even dumber]] and, (believe it or not) [[ItsUpToYou have worse AI than usual]], but sheer numbers will often overwhelm an opponent or at least give the player a chance to kill off all the enemies or capture all the command posts by themself. (Nothing sucks more than being in a close battle, glancing up at the troop counts for both sides, seeing that both sides have about 40 troops left and thinking to yourself ''Hey, I can still win this'' only to see the other side suddenly get another 20 men added to their count. Cue the OhCrap).

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* In ''StarWarsBattlefront'', there's a game mode called Galactic Conquest where either 1 player faces off against the computer or 2 players face each other trying to conquer planets one by one across the galaxy. Each planet conquered will give a different bonus that a player can use in battle. One of these is called secondary reinforcements and it has some elements of WeHaveReserves.We Have Reserves. The way it works is that at several points in the battle when your troop count falls to a certain number you will suddenly get new troops added to the count, imitating a new wave of troops coming into battle. These troops seem to be [[SurroundedByIdiots even dumber]] and, (believe it or not) [[ItsUpToYou have worse AI than usual]], but sheer numbers will often overwhelm an opponent or at least give the player a chance to kill off all the enemies or capture all the command posts by themself. (Nothing sucks more than being in a close battle, glancing up at the troop counts for both sides, seeing that both sides have about 40 troops left and thinking to yourself ''Hey, I can still win this'' only to see the other side suddenly get another 20 men added to their count. Cue the OhCrap).



* Real Time Tactics games, generally avert this trope by giving you fixed units in the game, though this gives another problem of destroyed units being LostForever (except in ''VideoGame/WorldInConflict'' which allowed reinforcements to replace lost units). Some modern RTS also avoid the "WeHaveReserves" type gameplay by taking psychological issues of individual units into account, which makes sending troops into suicide missions tactically prohibitive.

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* Real Time Tactics games, generally avert this trope by giving you fixed units in the game, though this gives another problem of destroyed units being LostForever (except in ''VideoGame/WorldInConflict'' which allowed reinforcements to replace lost units). Some modern RTS also avoid the "WeHaveReserves" "We Have Reserves" type gameplay by taking psychological issues of individual units into account, which makes sending troops into suicide missions tactically prohibitive.



*** This gave rise to the abandonment of GoingDownWithTheShip for officers that lose a battle. WeHaveReserves of equipment, but a trained officer can't be replaced so easily. The [[HonorBeforeReason Death Before Dishonor]] mentality instilled by Japanese officer training meant the Japanese officer corps kept getting worse, while the American and British officer corps kept getting better.

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*** This gave rise to the abandonment of GoingDownWithTheShip for officers that lose a battle. WeHaveReserves We Have Reserves of equipment, but a trained officer can't be replaced so easily. The [[HonorBeforeReason Death Before Dishonor]] mentality instilled by Japanese officer training meant the Japanese officer corps kept getting worse, while the American and British officer corps kept getting better.
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