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8th Aug '17 10:22:53 AM CosmicFerret
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* In ''Film/{{Shrek}}'', Lord Farquaad views the knights as expendable, saying when he describes the assignment to SaveThePrincess, "Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make." Then whoever won the tournament would be sent to save the princess, if he died whoever was second would be sent, and so on. (Shrek, [[FantasticRacism since he's an ogre]], is even more expendable, so Farquaad doesn't end up sending any knights.)

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* In ''Film/{{Shrek}}'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}'', Lord Farquaad views the knights as expendable, saying when he describes the assignment to SaveThePrincess, "Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make." Then whoever won the tournament would be sent to save the princess, if he died whoever was second would be sent, and so on. (Shrek, [[FantasticRacism since he's an ogre]], is even more expendable, so Farquaad doesn't end up sending any knights.)
7th Aug '17 11:50:52 PM UMDP
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** Then there is the Skitarii Legions of the Adeptus Mechanicus. While Skitarii are cybernetically enhanced to extreme levels and have better armor than the Imperial Guard the Mechanicus doesn't care what happens to them and neither does the Skitarii themselves. They are usually cloned or artificially grown and their emotions are reduced. Death of a Skitarii is nothing more than a way of learning about the enemy. The Skitarii vanguards carry Radium weapons that poison them by just carrying them despite their radiation protected armor slowly killing them. It gets worse in Onager Dunecrawlers where the driver is connected to the machine and is placed in a electro-amniotic tank where he is slowly killed by harmful energies and is soon replaced like replacing batteries.
19th Jul '17 8:57:04 AM Necrodomo
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* The [[BodyHorror Wyrm Master]] demon from ''[[NexusWar Nexus Clash]]'' can summon wave after wave of disposable Imps, who are forced to take shots or blows aimed for their master. [[FireAndBrimstoneHell Stygia]] shows no signs of running out of Imps, and the Wyrm Master just has to ManaDrain the enemy to keep summoning them.
13th Jul '17 8:44:59 AM dlchen145
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* In general during this period, while the notion of mass producing tanks and planes of inferior quality was an effective strategy for a few years, it simply could not be sustained with manpower losses, because while producing hardware like tanks and planes is simple and quick, recruiting and training men with the sort of skill required to handle even simple equipment was a significantly more lengthy process. As was shown in the case of Germany and Japan, while they were in fact capable of continuing to put out more then enough military hardware to meet their needs, they were chronically short of the experienced crews required to man them. Germany had lost a great many of its best pilots in the Battle of Britain while Japan lost all of its finest Carrier aircraft pilots either at Midway or during the Solomon Islands campaign; while both nations were able to make good their losses of aircraft, they simply could never train pilots with the sort of skill to match their predecessors in a short time. So the lesson that could be learned from this is that while machines are expendable, the men who know how to use those machines are not. America, Russia, and Britain were quick to learn this lesson upon taking stock of their losses after WWII and realized that while quantity over quality had managed to win them the war, it had left them severely weakened with significantly lowered reserves of trained crews at the end of WWII, with countless American crewmen who had spent months in training left as charred corpses inside gutted Sherman tanks scattered across the French countryside. This may have been a key contributing factor in why the Cold War didn't kick off into full blown war after WWII, as both sides had to train an entire new generation of crews to replace those lost in the war, which took time.

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* In general during this period, while the notion of mass producing tanks and planes of inferior quality was an effective strategy for a few years, it simply could not be sustained with manpower losses, because while producing hardware like tanks and planes is simple and quick, recruiting and training men with the sort of skill required to handle even simple equipment was a significantly more lengthy process. As was shown in the case of Germany and Japan, while they were in fact capable of continuing to put out more then enough military hardware to meet their needs, they were chronically short of the experienced crews required to man them. Germany had lost a great many of its best pilots in the Battle of Britain while Japan lost all of its finest Carrier aircraft pilots either at Midway or during the Solomon Islands campaign; while both nations were able to make good their losses of aircraft, they simply could never train pilots with the sort of skill to match their predecessors in a short time. So the lesson that could be learned from this is that while machines are expendable, the men who know how to use those machines are not. America, Russia, and Britain were quick to learn this lesson upon taking stock of their losses after WWII and realized that while quantity over quality had managed to win them the war, it had left them severely weakened with significantly lowered reserves of trained crews at the end of WWII, with countless American crewmen who had spent months in training left as charred corpses inside gutted Sherman tanks scattered across the French countryside.WWII. This may have been a key contributing factor in why the Cold War didn't kick off into full blown war after WWII, as both sides had to train an entire new generation of crews to replace those lost in the war, which took time.
11th Jul '17 11:43:02 AM gb00393
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** House Lannister muster 60,000 men when the hostilities begin and every time the Starks and the Tullys shatter a Lannister host (which happens in several battles), they just raise another. When the Tyrells come into the war on the Lannisters' side this is literally true, since the Reach is (in terms of area) the largest region of Westeros after the sparsely-populated North, as well as the most fertile and densely populated. Best summed up by the opposition in Season 3: Edmure Tully tells Robb Stark that they've been inflicting more Lannister casualties than they've taken, but the angry retort is "WE NEED OUR MEN MORE THAN TYWIN NEEDS HIS!" Of course, even though they've won the war, the heavy casualties ended up being proportionately high enough to leave them tapped for manpower and weakened for garrisoning Westeros.
25th Jun '17 9:48:54 AM CV12Hornet
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** Well, that, and [[SubvertedTrope even the Allies had run out of even low-skill reserves by that point]]. The British were disbanding entire ground units to keep other units at full strength, the US had maxed out its manpower without dipping into reserves needed to run industry, and the Soviets not only only had enough men coming online to keep up their strength rather than replace losses, American Lend-Lease constituted enough of their logistical base that its loss would mean the immediate disbanding of formations to get them back on the farms and factories.
20th Jun '17 3:44:48 AM Piterpicher
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* ''{{Section 8}}: Prejudice'': When Thorne calls in a bomber to try and kill you, it might frag some of his own troops. One of your allies points out his nonchalance about this.

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* ''{{Section ''VideoGame/{{Section 8}}: Prejudice'': When Thorne calls in a bomber to try and kill you, it might frag some of his own troops. One of your allies points out his nonchalance about this.
13th Jun '17 8:56:05 PM harostar
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* Both Commander Erwin and Commander Pixis in ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'', despite being [[AFatherToHisMen fathers to their men,]] often have to employ this mentality with their own soldiers and even civilians as any and all sacrifices are acceptable if it means saving humanity as a whole. They know their efforts has caused the deaths of countless of people and believe [[ImGoingToHellForThis there is a spot in Hell waiting for them]].

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Both Commander Erwin and Commander Pixis in ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'', Pixis, despite being [[AFatherToHisMen fathers to their men,]] often have to employ this mentality with their own soldiers and even civilians as any and all sacrifices are acceptable if it means saving humanity as a whole. They know their efforts has caused the deaths of countless of people and believe [[ImGoingToHellForThis there is a spot in Hell waiting for them]].them]].
** This is standard for [[spoiler: the nation of Marley]], which is more than happy to use this to keep their Warriors in line. Should they ask too many questions, disobey orders, or fail their missions, their superiors will simply [[EatenAlive replace]] them with one of the many reserve candidates.
11th Jun '17 2:40:59 PM nombretomado
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* ''VideoGame/XCOM'' plays with this concept. Both the original and the 2012 remake, [[XCOMEnemyUnknown Enemy Unknown]] reward the player for keeping their troops alive by making them more effective in combat. In the original, as they level up, their skills improve. In the remake, as they level up they get new classes and combat abilities, so highly trained and well-equipped soldiers will absolutely devastate late-game missions. The problem is that the road getting there is paved with the corpses of the soldiers who didn't make it that far. Rookies start out with piss-poor aim and equipment, plus you're always outnumbered by aliens, making it necessary to have reserves and RedShirts given how death is a fairly common occurrence. To drive the point home, losing one out of four squadmates still gives a "Good" mission rating.

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* ''VideoGame/XCOM'' ''VideoGame/XCom'' plays with this concept. Both the original and the 2012 remake, [[XCOMEnemyUnknown ''[[VideoGame/XCOMEnemyUnknown Enemy Unknown]] Unknown]]'' reward the player for keeping their troops alive by making them more effective in combat. In the original, as they level up, their skills improve. In the remake, as they level up they get new classes and combat abilities, so highly trained and well-equipped soldiers will absolutely devastate late-game missions. The problem is that the road getting there is paved with the corpses of the soldiers who didn't make it that far. Rookies start out with piss-poor aim and equipment, plus you're always outnumbered by aliens, making it necessary to have reserves and RedShirts given how death is a fairly common occurrence. To drive the point home, losing one out of four squadmates still gives a "Good" mission rating.
14th May '17 3:24:17 PM nombretomado
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* ''Franchise/{{Starcraft}}'': ZergRush! The Zerg have done enough to apply this trope as a military tactic to the point that [[ZergRush they got their own subtrope]]. Ironically enough, the actual Zerg don't count as this as their troops are mindless drones under a HiveMind.

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* ''Franchise/{{Starcraft}}'': ''VideoGame/StarCraft'': ZergRush! The Zerg have done enough to apply this trope as a military tactic to the point that [[ZergRush they got their own subtrope]]. Ironically enough, the actual Zerg don't count as this as their troops are mindless drones under a HiveMind.
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