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12th Jan '17 10:23:52 PM NubianSatyress
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->''"And so my king died, and my brothers died, barely a year ago. Long I pondered my king's cryptic talk of victory. Time has proven him wise, for from free Greek to free Greek, the word was spread that bold Leonidas and his three hundred, so far from home, laid down their lives. Not just for Sparta, but for all Greece an''d the promise this country holds!"

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->''"And so my king died, and my brothers died, barely a year ago. Long I pondered my king's cryptic talk of victory. Time has proven him wise, for from free Greek to free Greek, the word was spread that bold Leonidas and his three hundred, so far from home, laid down their lives. Not just for Sparta, but for all Greece an''d and the promise this country holds!"holds!"''
12th Jan '17 10:22:40 PM NubianSatyress
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->''"And so my king died, and my brothers died, barely a year ago. Long I pondered my king's cryptic talk of victory. Time has proven him wise, for from free Greek to free Greek, the word was spread that bold Leonidas and his three hundred, so far from home, laid down their lives. Not just for Sparta, but for all Greece and the promise this country holds!"

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->''"And so my king died, and my brothers died, barely a year ago. Long I pondered my king's cryptic talk of victory. Time has proven him wise, for from free Greek to free Greek, the word was spread that bold Leonidas and his three hundred, so far from home, laid down their lives. Not just for Sparta, but for all Greece and an''d the promise this country holds!"
12th Jan '17 10:22:22 PM NubianSatyress
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->''"And so my king died, and my brothers died, barely a year ago. Long I pondered my king's cryptic talk of victory. Time has proven him wise, for from free Greek to free Greek, the word was spread that bold Leonidas and his three hundred, so far from home, laid down their lives. Not just for Sparta, but for all Greece and the promise this country holds!"
-->--'''Dilios''', ''Film/ThreeHundred''
10th Nov '16 11:51:25 AM Jhonny
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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. Napoleon Bonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. And after Bonaparte was gone, the same Bourbon dynasty that had been deposed took over again. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones - ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.
* John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry was a disastrous failure and he ended up dying as a criminal, but the trial electrified opinions across the North and the world and Brown's defiant stance at the trial for his abolitionist activism became a potent symbol in the run up to UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar where the song John Brown's Body became a popular marching tune, until Julia Ward Howe's [[TheMoralSubstitute "Battle Hymn For the Republic" co-opted the tune with new lyrics]]. His actions, while still considered extreme today, are VindicatedByHistory:

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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. Napoleon Bonaparte NapoleonBonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. And after Bonaparte was gone, the same Bourbon dynasty that had been deposed took over again. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones - ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.
* John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry was a disastrous failure and he himself ended up dying executed as a criminal, but the trial electrified opinions across the North and the world and Brown's defiant stance at the trial for his abolitionist activism became a potent symbol in the run up to UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar where the song John Brown's Body became a popular marching tune, until Julia Ward Howe's [[TheMoralSubstitute "Battle Hymn For the Republic" co-opted the tune with new lyrics]]. His actions, while still considered extreme today, are VindicatedByHistory:
10th Nov '16 1:09:40 AM zequeins
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* Strange's final gambit from ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' qualifies him as this. [[spoiler:He can never hope to defeat Dormammu, the local EldritchAbomination DimensionLord of the Dark Dimension. So he forces Dormammu into a GroundhogDayLoop where Dormammu kills Strange over and over and over for all eternity. But that also means he's ''stuck'' with Strange.]]
-->'''[[spoiler:Dormammu]]:''' You cannot do this for ever.\\
'''Strange:''' Actually, I can. This is how things are now! You and me. Trapped in this moment. Endlessly. (I can never win), but I can lose. Again. And again. And again. Forever. That makes ''you'' my prisoner.
23rd Aug '16 12:33:33 PM Elfkaiser
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* ''Manga/OnePiece'' has a scene where Luffy and Zoro are jeered and humiliated for thier desire to go to the island in the sky (and for their seemingly undeserved bounties) but the two refuse to fight back. Zoro later tells Nami that if they had fought back they'd have later regretted lowering themselves to their level. Of course when the pirates later [[BerserkButton attack their new friend...]]

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* ''Manga/OnePiece'' has a scene where Luffy and Zoro are jeered and humiliated for thier their desire to go to the island in the sky (and for their seemingly undeserved bounties) but the two refuse to fight back. Zoro later tells Nami that if they had fought back they'd have later regretted lowering themselves to their level. Of course when the pirates later [[BerserkButton attack their new friend...]]
10th Aug '16 7:39:29 AM JulianLapostat
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-> ''As summer turned to fall and additional recruits did not arrive, [John] Brown decided to go with what he had. A sort of fatalism stole over him. He wrote a "Vindication of the Invasion" in the past tense as if it had already failed. When he finally moved, in mid-October, he did so without previous notice to the slaves he expected to join him, without rations, without having scouted any escape routes from Harper's Ferry, with no apparent idea of what to do after capturing the armory buildings. It was almost as if he knew that failure with its ensuing martyrdom would do more to achieve his ultimate goal than any "success" could have done. In any event, that was how matters turned out.''

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-> --> ''As summer turned to fall and additional recruits did not arrive, [John] Brown decided to go with what he had. A sort of fatalism stole over him. He wrote a "Vindication of the Invasion" in the past tense as if it had already failed. When he finally moved, in mid-October, he did so without previous notice to the slaves he expected to join him, without rations, without having scouted any escape routes from Harper's Ferry, with no apparent idea of what to do after capturing the armory buildings. It was almost as if he knew that failure with its ensuing martyrdom would do more to achieve his ultimate goal than any "success" could have done. In any event, that was how matters turned out.''
10th Aug '16 7:38:32 AM JulianLapostat
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* John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry was a disastrous failure and he ended up dying as a criminal, but the trial electrified opinions across the North and the world and Brown's defiant stance at the trial for his abolitionist activism became a potent symbol in the run up to UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar where the song John Brown's Body became a popular marching tune, until Julia Ward Howe's [[TheMoralSubstitute "Battle Hymn For the Republic" co-opted the tune with new lyrics]]. His actions, while still considered extreme today, are VindicatedByHistory:
-> ''As summer turned to fall and additional recruits did not arrive, [John] Brown decided to go with what he had. A sort of fatalism stole over him. He wrote a "Vindication of the Invasion" in the past tense as if it had already failed. When he finally moved, in mid-October, he did so without previous notice to the slaves he expected to join him, without rations, without having scouted any escape routes from Harper's Ferry, with no apparent idea of what to do after capturing the armory buildings. It was almost as if he knew that failure with its ensuing martyrdom would do more to achieve his ultimate goal than any "success" could have done. In any event, that was how matters turned out.''
-->-- '''James [=McPherson=]''', ''Battle Cry for Freedom''.
29th Jul '16 8:24:25 PM X2X
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* [[Literature/{{The Deed of Paksenarrion}} Paksennarion]] embodies this trope toward the end of ''Oath of Gold''; she accepts being tortured by evil priests because it's the only way to redeem the evil priests' misguided followers.

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* [[Literature/{{The Deed of Paksenarrion}} [[Literature/TheDeedOfPaksenarrion Paksennarion]] embodies this trope toward the end of ''Oath of Gold''; she accepts being tortured by evil priests because it's the only way to redeem the evil priests' misguided followers.






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* Ramza Beoulve in ''FinalFantasyTactics'', in the end of his whole quest to save the world and his sister... either dies or survives but leaves the country in obscurity (depending on your view. We now speak about the latter.). In process, he is also branded as a heretic and villain by the CorruptChurch, but he wouldn't even bother clearing his name, because he got what he wanted: life with his sister in peace, which to him count as a victory. This is a direct contrast to his best friend Delita Hyral, who after losing his sister, changed from an upstanding soldier into one hell of a ManipulativeBastard... who eventually ends up LonelyAtTheTop with his PyrrhicVictory.
** Crosses with BelatedHappyEnding - by the time we reach ''VagrantStory'', the truth of the CorruptChurch is known. At some point in history, Ramza's name is cleared.

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* Ramza Beoulve in ''FinalFantasyTactics'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'', in the end of his whole quest to save the world and his sister... either dies or survives but leaves the country in obscurity (depending obscurity. (Depending on your view. We now speak about the latter.). ) In the process, he is also branded as a heretic and villain by the CorruptChurch, but he wouldn't even bother clearing his name, name because he got what he wanted: life with his sister in peace, which to him count counts as a victory. This is a direct contrast to his best friend Delita Hyral, who after losing his sister, changed from an upstanding soldier into one hell of a ManipulativeBastard... who eventually ends up LonelyAtTheTop with his PyrrhicVictory.
** Crosses with BelatedHappyEnding - -- by the time we reach ''VagrantStory'', ''VideoGame/VagrantStory'', the truth of the CorruptChurch is known. At some point in history, Ramza's name is cleared.



* Subverted in ''{{Tekken}}''. King's story in the fourth game in the series revolve around him trying to avenge Armor King's death on Craig Marduk. He succeeded in beating Marduk and hospitalizing him, but couldn't bring himself to kill Marduk, realizing that it would end up as an empty victory. So although he didn't personally avenge Armor King by killing Marduk, he somehow has felt quite victorious that he beat Marduk in fair combat, and didn't dwindle into a {{Revenge}}-driven bastard. This rolls back in the later games where eventually Marduk is EasilyForgiven and becomes one of his allies.

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* Subverted in ''{{Tekken}}''. ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}''. King's story in the fourth game in the series revolve revolves around him trying to avenge Armor King's death on at the hands of Craig Marduk. He succeeded in beating Marduk within an inch of his life and hospitalizing him, but couldn't bring himself to kill Marduk, realizing that it would end up as an empty victory. So although he didn't personally avenge Armor King by killing Marduk, he somehow has felt quite victorious that he beat Marduk in fair combat, and didn't dwindle into a {{Revenge}}-driven bastard. This rolls back in the later games where eventually Marduk is EasilyForgiven and becomes one of his allies.
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*** [[spoiler: The second one, surprisingly, was taught to him/her by Xykon himself.]]

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama'', one ending of the fourth season has [[spoiler: Lightning beating Cameron]]. However, [[spoiler: Cameron is happy because he isn't injured so much that he has to return to his bubble]], and counts that as a personal victory.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama'', one ending of the fourth season has [[spoiler: Lightning [[spoiler:Lightning beating Cameron]]. However, [[spoiler: Cameron [[spoiler:Cameron is happy because he isn't injured so much that he has to return to his bubble]], and counts that as a personal victory.
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4th Jul '16 3:05:21 AM Morgenthaler
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