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18th May '16 11:41:18 AM Jhonny
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* If the descriptions of the Mesoamerican ballgame that say the ''victors'' were sacrificed are accurate (descriptions vary and the actual practices may well have varied too), losing appears highly desirable from today's point of view. Sure you lose the game and miss out on a "great honor" but on the other hand you are ''still alive to tell the tale'' afterwards.
18th May '16 10:56:36 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Mikagami Tokiya in ''FlameOfRecca'', in the second half of the manga, had two cases of defeat and humiliation, turning into a DistressedDude. All this could've been rectified had he been more cruel, like the way he was in the past, but doing so would turn him into a {{Revenge}}-obsessed man that he has refused to embrace in the end of the first half. This is later shown when one of the QuirkyMinibossSquad commented that by letting go of vengeance and also his suicidal tendencies, he is way stronger, and in the end, he avoids the mistake of [[spoiler:killing his own grandfather]] and evolved into a more mature person in general.

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* Mikagami Tokiya in ''FlameOfRecca'', ''Manga/FlameOfRecca'', in the second half of the manga, had two cases of defeat and humiliation, turning into a DistressedDude. All this could've been rectified had he been more cruel, like the way he was in the past, but doing so would turn him into a {{Revenge}}-obsessed man that he has refused to embrace in the end of the first half. This is later shown when one of the QuirkyMinibossSquad commented that by letting go of vengeance and also his suicidal tendencies, he is way stronger, and in the end, he avoids the mistake of [[spoiler:killing his own grandfather]] and evolved into a more mature person in general.
14th May '16 7:36:49 PM nombretomado
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* ''LizzieMcguire'' when [[AlphaBitch Kate]] broke the school founders bust, the principle will suspend the school party unless the one responsible steps forward, Lizzie decides to take the blame for it and is suspended from the party. But her friends told everyone that Kate really did it, and Lizzie took the blame for them, they instead moved the party to Lizzie's house, while Kate is all alone at school.

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* ''LizzieMcguire'' ''Series/LizzieMcGuire'' when [[AlphaBitch Kate]] broke the school founders bust, the principle will suspend the school party unless the one responsible steps forward, Lizzie decides to take the blame for it and is suspended from the party. But her friends told everyone that Kate really did it, and Lizzie took the blame for them, they instead moved the party to Lizzie's house, while Kate is all alone at school.
9th May '16 2:37:27 PM Jhonny
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* Barry Goldwater did not just lose the 1964 Presidential election, he got ''clobbered''. But his 40% to 60% defeat in the national popular vote and electoral landslide loss showed two things: First the South could be won by a Republican (the only states Goldwater won were his home state Arizona and Southern states) and Second there was a conservative movement in the Republican party. It took decades, but ultimately the Republicans took over the South and Conservatives took over the Republican Party. Without Goldwater, none of this would have happened.
1st May '16 5:11:53 PM TVRulezAgain
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* Worf in ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' was forced to take familial responsibility for the Romulan betrayal of the Klingons at his home colony. Defending his family honor and providing evidence that it was the Duras family would have thrust the Klingon Empire into a full blown civil war. Of course, the Durassholes wound up getting greedy and showed their hand by allying with the Romulans to take over the empire, creating the very civil war Worf tried to avoid... And then said civil war ended with the House of Duras permanently discredited and the new Chancellor owing the Federation a considerable favour.

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* Worf in ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' was forced to take familial responsibility for the Romulan betrayal of the Klingons at his home colony. Defending his family honor and providing evidence that it was the Duras family would have thrust the Klingon Empire into a full blown civil war. Of course, the The Durassholes wound up getting greedy and showed their hand by allying with the Romulans to take over the empire, creating the very civil war Worf tried to avoid... And then said civil war ended with the House of Duras permanently discredited and the new Chancellor owing the Federation a considerable favour.



* In Episode 3 of ''{{Victorious}}'', Tori takes several detentions and a humiliating punishment rather than tell the school principal that Jade faked the injury Tori was accused of causing, despite having proof. When Jade asked her why, Tori said it was because she didn't want to fight with Jade all through high school.

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* In Episode 3 of ''{{Victorious}}'', ''Series/{{Victorious}}'', Tori takes several detentions and a humiliating punishment rather than tell the school principal that Jade faked the injury Tori was accused of causing, despite having proof. When Jade asked her why, Tori said it was because she didn't want to fight with Jade all through high school.
30th Apr '16 9:10:23 AM Jhonny
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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. Napoleon Bonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. And after Bonaparte was gone, the same Bourbon dynasty that had been deposed took over again. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.

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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. Napoleon Bonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. And after Bonaparte was gone, the same Bourbon dynasty that had been deposed took over again. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones - ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.
29th Apr '16 6:34:20 PM Jake
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* Worf in ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' was forced to take familial responsibility for the Romulan betrayal of the Klingons at his home colony. Defending his family honor and providing evidence that it was the Duras family would have thrust the Klingon Empire into a full blown civil war. Of course, the Durassholes wound up getting greedy and showed their hand by allying with the Romulans to take over the empire, creating the very civil war Worf tried to avoid.

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* Worf in ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' was forced to take familial responsibility for the Romulan betrayal of the Klingons at his home colony. Defending his family honor and providing evidence that it was the Duras family would have thrust the Klingon Empire into a full blown civil war. Of course, the Durassholes wound up getting greedy and showed their hand by allying with the Romulans to take over the empire, creating the very civil war Worf tried to avoid.avoid... And then said civil war ended with the House of Duras permanently discredited and the new Chancellor owing the Federation a considerable favour.
8th Apr '16 10:22:21 PM JulianLapostat
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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. Napoleon Bonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. And after Bonaparte was gone, the same Bourbon dynasty that had been deposed took over again. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. Even Olympe de Gouges, who was executed for daring to suggest ''women'' could have rights was ultimately VindicatedByHistory. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.

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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. Napoleon Bonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. And after Bonaparte was gone, the same Bourbon dynasty that had been deposed took over again. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. Even Olympe de Gouges, who was executed for daring to suggest ''women'' could have rights was ultimately VindicatedByHistory. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.
8th Apr '16 8:36:33 PM Jhonny
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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. Napoleon Bonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. Even Olympe de Gouges, who was executed for daring to suggest ''women'' could have rights was ultimately VindicatedByHistory. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.

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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. Napoleon Bonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. And after Bonaparte was gone, the same Bourbon dynasty that had been deposed took over again. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. Even Olympe de Gouges, who was executed for daring to suggest ''women'' could have rights was ultimately VindicatedByHistory. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.
8th Apr '16 8:35:31 PM Jhonny
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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. Napoleon Bonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. Even Olympe de Gouges, who was executed for daring to suggest ''women'' could have rights was ultimately VindicatedByHistory. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.
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