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4th Oct '17 7:15:19 AM Jhonny
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* The Doolittle Raid didn't achieve any of its strategic objectives and all planes could not be recovered. However it scarred the crap out of the Japanese. This fear lead to Admiral Yamamoto being pressured to take Midway island quickly and secure Japan's defensive perimeter. This battle would end with all of Yamamoto's carrier's being destroyed and the Japanese war machine being stopped in its tracks.

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* The Doolittle Raid didn't achieve any of its strategic objectives and not all planes could not be recovered. However it scarred scared the crap out of the Japanese. This fear lead to Admiral Yamamoto being pressured to take Midway island quickly and secure Japan's defensive perimeter. This battle would end with all of Yamamoto's carrier's being destroyed and the Japanese war machine being stopped in its tracks.
17th Sep '17 6:05:29 PM Caps-luna
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* The Doolittle Raid didn't achieve any of its strategic objectives and all planes could not be recovered. However it scarred the crap out of the Japanese. This fear lead to Admiral Yamamoto being pressured to take Midway island quickly and secure Japan's defensive perimeter. This battle would end with all of Yamamoto's carrier's being destroyed and the Japanese war machine being stopped in its tracks.


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11th Sep '17 10:22:47 AM GrammarNavi
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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. NapoleonBonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. And after Bonaparte was gone, the same Bourbon dynasty that had been deposed took over again. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones - ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.

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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. NapoleonBonaparte UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. And after Bonaparte was gone, the same Bourbon dynasty that had been deposed took over again. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones - ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.
29th May '17 6:28:47 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'' gives us a rare villainous example in the BigBad of the Kyoto Arc, Makoto Shishio. He fails to achieve his dream of conquering and remaking Japan into a Darwinist, fascist military dictatorship where the strong have the right to abuse the weak. But, as the narration reminds us, [[ImperialJapan his ideals would survive him, and cause great misery and sorrow]].

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* ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'' gives us a rare villainous example in the BigBad of the Kyoto Arc, Makoto Shishio. He fails to achieve his dream of conquering and remaking Japan into a Darwinist, fascist military dictatorship where the strong have the right to abuse the weak. But, as the narration reminds us, [[ImperialJapan [[UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan his ideals would survive him, and cause great misery and sorrow]].
14th Mar '17 1:38:46 AM LucaEarlgrey
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* The end of ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyJusticeForAll'' has this. [[spoiler:Phoenix]] happily accepts his first defeat because [[spoiler:his client really did do the crime, for once]]. When [[spoiler:Franziska berates him for losing his perfect status, Phoenix]] replied with "Perfection isn't everything."

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* The end of ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyJusticeForAll'' has this. [[spoiler:Phoenix]] happily accepts his first defeat because [[spoiler:his client really did do the crime, for once]]. When [[spoiler:Franziska -- who comes from a family of lawyers who only care about winning cases regardless of the truth -- berates him for losing his perfect status, Phoenix]] replied with "Perfection isn't everything."
11th Mar '17 1:07:01 PM JulianLapostat
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* In UsefuLNotes/{{India}}, direct rebellions against UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire often met with failure but they nonetheless provoked major changes and upheavals, ultimately achieving its goal.
** The 1857 Mutiny was a complex GambitPileup [[WeAreStrugglingTogether of multiple factions who barely tolerated each other]] and many of the mutineers were originally loyal PrivateMilitaryContractors serving the EITC as [[NotSoDifferent they invaded and annexed the Punjab and Sindh]], the rebellion nonetheless failed despite attracting support from local Indian rulers who were chafing under British rule and it ultimately resulted in the permanent end to any future military threat to the Crown. However, the scale of the Uprising, the quickness of how it spread and level of support it attracted, led to the end of the East India Company, with the British Crown directly taking over and establishing authority in India, forcing them to reverse many unpopular laws that led to the rebellion and ultimately investing in the creation and patronage of an Indian middle class to make themselves acceptable. The 1857 Mutiny failed to liberate India but it did ''succeed'' in toppling the government and transforming India.
** Subhash Chandra Bose is a highly controversial figure in Indian history, who was initially a popular leader of the Indian National Congress, and someone who wanted to put forth socialist policies to erode India's caste system and introduce gender equality, and he advocated building a national army to militarily liberate India, policies which made him unpopular with the liberal reformist Congress and the likes of Gandhi and Nehru who advocated "non-violent resistance". Frustrated at his inability, Bose turned to seeking foreign support from USSR initially, and then, UsefulNotes/NaziGermany and UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan by invoking EnemyMine against the English during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, a policy that went nowhere until his death by plane crash[[note]]Which Indian ConspiracyTheory buffs have long seen as evidence of either British or Congress perfidy though historians insist that he really did die by plane crash[[/note]]. Bose's Azad Hind Fauz (Free India Army) was the first army of Indians, by Indians, with desegregated caste, religious and gender lines (which made him distinctly ''un''like his allies) and while it was a force too small to serve decisively, and was unpopular with the much larger contingent of Indians serving with UsefulNotes/KiplingsFinest, India's army formed after independence resembles Bose's army more than the English.
** This was actually how UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi's protest strategies and tactics worked. The goal of the protest was not as important as the scale, symbolic meaning and visibility of the movement, and its capacity to provoke DisproportionateRetribution from the English to put it down. Winning wasn't important as much as glorious defeat, and Gandhi measured the success of protests by the jails it filled up, the press it generated and the way it embarrassed the English, rather than its direct efficacy.
12th Jan '17 10:23:52 PM NubianSatyress
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->''"And so my king died, and my brothers died, barely a year ago. Long I pondered my king's cryptic talk of victory. Time has proven him wise, for from free Greek to free Greek, the word was spread that bold Leonidas and his three hundred, so far from home, laid down their lives. Not just for Sparta, but for all Greece an''d the promise this country holds!"

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->''"And so my king died, and my brothers died, barely a year ago. Long I pondered my king's cryptic talk of victory. Time has proven him wise, for from free Greek to free Greek, the word was spread that bold Leonidas and his three hundred, so far from home, laid down their lives. Not just for Sparta, but for all Greece an''d and the promise this country holds!"holds!"''
12th Jan '17 10:22:40 PM NubianSatyress
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->''"And so my king died, and my brothers died, barely a year ago. Long I pondered my king's cryptic talk of victory. Time has proven him wise, for from free Greek to free Greek, the word was spread that bold Leonidas and his three hundred, so far from home, laid down their lives. Not just for Sparta, but for all Greece and the promise this country holds!"

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->''"And so my king died, and my brothers died, barely a year ago. Long I pondered my king's cryptic talk of victory. Time has proven him wise, for from free Greek to free Greek, the word was spread that bold Leonidas and his three hundred, so far from home, laid down their lives. Not just for Sparta, but for all Greece and an''d the promise this country holds!"
12th Jan '17 10:22:22 PM NubianSatyress
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->''"And so my king died, and my brothers died, barely a year ago. Long I pondered my king's cryptic talk of victory. Time has proven him wise, for from free Greek to free Greek, the word was spread that bold Leonidas and his three hundred, so far from home, laid down their lives. Not just for Sparta, but for all Greece and the promise this country holds!"
-->--'''Dilios''', ''Film/ThreeHundred''
10th Nov '16 11:51:25 AM Jhonny
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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. Napoleon Bonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. And after Bonaparte was gone, the same Bourbon dynasty that had been deposed took over again. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones - ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.
* John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry was a disastrous failure and he ended up dying as a criminal, but the trial electrified opinions across the North and the world and Brown's defiant stance at the trial for his abolitionist activism became a potent symbol in the run up to UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar where the song John Brown's Body became a popular marching tune, until Julia Ward Howe's [[TheMoralSubstitute "Battle Hymn For the Republic" co-opted the tune with new lyrics]]. His actions, while still considered extreme today, are VindicatedByHistory:

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* Ultimately UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution did not win. Napoleon Bonaparte NapoleonBonaparte took over and rolled back many of the advances that had been made. And after Bonaparte was gone, the same Bourbon dynasty that had been deposed took over again. The most egalitarian constitution never got enacted and those in any way connected to the "reign of terror" have gotten a HistoricalVillainUpgrade in pretty much every single work of fiction ever. But the ideals espoused by the revolutionaries - even the most radical ones - ultimately carried the day. The divine right of Kings is DeaderThanDisco and one person one vote is such an universally acknowledged principle that even dictatorships pretend to live by it. The French revolution was probably the most successful failure in the political history of humanity.
* John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry was a disastrous failure and he himself ended up dying executed as a criminal, but the trial electrified opinions across the North and the world and Brown's defiant stance at the trial for his abolitionist activism became a potent symbol in the run up to UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar where the song John Brown's Body became a popular marching tune, until Julia Ward Howe's [[TheMoralSubstitute "Battle Hymn For the Republic" co-opted the tune with new lyrics]]. His actions, while still considered extreme today, are VindicatedByHistory:
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