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23rd Aug '16 12:33:33 PM Elfkaiser
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* ''Manga/OnePiece'' has a scene where Luffy and Zoro are jeered and humiliated for thier desire to go to the island in the sky (and for their seemingly undeserved bounties) but the two refuse to fight back. Zoro later tells Nami that if they had fought back they'd have later regretted lowering themselves to their level. Of course when the pirates later [[BerserkButton attack their new friend...]]

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* ''Manga/OnePiece'' has a scene where Luffy and Zoro are jeered and humiliated for thier their desire to go to the island in the sky (and for their seemingly undeserved bounties) but the two refuse to fight back. Zoro later tells Nami that if they had fought back they'd have later regretted lowering themselves to their level. Of course when the pirates later [[BerserkButton attack their new friend...]]
10th Aug '16 7:39:29 AM JulianLapostat
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-> ''As summer turned to fall and additional recruits did not arrive, [John] Brown decided to go with what he had. A sort of fatalism stole over him. He wrote a "Vindication of the Invasion" in the past tense as if it had already failed. When he finally moved, in mid-October, he did so without previous notice to the slaves he expected to join him, without rations, without having scouted any escape routes from Harper's Ferry, with no apparent idea of what to do after capturing the armory buildings. It was almost as if he knew that failure with its ensuing martyrdom would do more to achieve his ultimate goal than any "success" could have done. In any event, that was how matters turned out.''

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-> --> ''As summer turned to fall and additional recruits did not arrive, [John] Brown decided to go with what he had. A sort of fatalism stole over him. He wrote a "Vindication of the Invasion" in the past tense as if it had already failed. When he finally moved, in mid-October, he did so without previous notice to the slaves he expected to join him, without rations, without having scouted any escape routes from Harper's Ferry, with no apparent idea of what to do after capturing the armory buildings. It was almost as if he knew that failure with its ensuing martyrdom would do more to achieve his ultimate goal than any "success" could have done. In any event, that was how matters turned out.''
10th Aug '16 7:38:32 AM JulianLapostat
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* John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry was a disastrous failure and he ended up dying as a criminal, but the trial electrified opinions across the North and the world and Brown's defiant stance at the trial for his abolitionist activism became a potent symbol in the run up to UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar where the song John Brown's Body became a popular marching tune, until Julia Ward Howe's [[TheMoralSubstitute "Battle Hymn For the Republic" co-opted the tune with new lyrics]]. His actions, while still considered extreme today, are VindicatedByHistory:
-> ''As summer turned to fall and additional recruits did not arrive, [John] Brown decided to go with what he had. A sort of fatalism stole over him. He wrote a "Vindication of the Invasion" in the past tense as if it had already failed. When he finally moved, in mid-October, he did so without previous notice to the slaves he expected to join him, without rations, without having scouted any escape routes from Harper's Ferry, with no apparent idea of what to do after capturing the armory buildings. It was almost as if he knew that failure with its ensuing martyrdom would do more to achieve his ultimate goal than any "success" could have done. In any event, that was how matters turned out.''
-->-- '''James [=McPherson=]''', ''Battle Cry for Freedom''.
29th Jul '16 8:24:25 PM X2X
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* [[Literature/{{The Deed of Paksenarrion}} Paksennarion]] embodies this trope toward the end of ''Oath of Gold''; she accepts being tortured by evil priests because it's the only way to redeem the evil priests' misguided followers.

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* [[Literature/{{The Deed of Paksenarrion}} [[Literature/TheDeedOfPaksenarrion Paksennarion]] embodies this trope toward the end of ''Oath of Gold''; she accepts being tortured by evil priests because it's the only way to redeem the evil priests' misguided followers.






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* Ramza Beoulve in ''FinalFantasyTactics'', in the end of his whole quest to save the world and his sister... either dies or survives but leaves the country in obscurity (depending on your view. We now speak about the latter.). In process, he is also branded as a heretic and villain by the CorruptChurch, but he wouldn't even bother clearing his name, because he got what he wanted: life with his sister in peace, which to him count as a victory. This is a direct contrast to his best friend Delita Hyral, who after losing his sister, changed from an upstanding soldier into one hell of a ManipulativeBastard... who eventually ends up LonelyAtTheTop with his PyrrhicVictory.
** Crosses with BelatedHappyEnding - by the time we reach ''VagrantStory'', the truth of the CorruptChurch is known. At some point in history, Ramza's name is cleared.

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* Ramza Beoulve in ''FinalFantasyTactics'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'', in the end of his whole quest to save the world and his sister... either dies or survives but leaves the country in obscurity (depending obscurity. (Depending on your view. We now speak about the latter.). ) In the process, he is also branded as a heretic and villain by the CorruptChurch, but he wouldn't even bother clearing his name, name because he got what he wanted: life with his sister in peace, which to him count counts as a victory. This is a direct contrast to his best friend Delita Hyral, who after losing his sister, changed from an upstanding soldier into one hell of a ManipulativeBastard... who eventually ends up LonelyAtTheTop with his PyrrhicVictory.
** Crosses with BelatedHappyEnding - -- by the time we reach ''VagrantStory'', ''VideoGame/VagrantStory'', the truth of the CorruptChurch is known. At some point in history, Ramza's name is cleared.



* Subverted in ''{{Tekken}}''. King's story in the fourth game in the series revolve around him trying to avenge Armor King's death on Craig Marduk. He succeeded in beating Marduk and hospitalizing him, but couldn't bring himself to kill Marduk, realizing that it would end up as an empty victory. So although he didn't personally avenge Armor King by killing Marduk, he somehow has felt quite victorious that he beat Marduk in fair combat, and didn't dwindle into a {{Revenge}}-driven bastard. This rolls back in the later games where eventually Marduk is EasilyForgiven and becomes one of his allies.

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* Subverted in ''{{Tekken}}''. ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}''. King's story in the fourth game in the series revolve revolves around him trying to avenge Armor King's death on at the hands of Craig Marduk. He succeeded in beating Marduk within an inch of his life and hospitalizing him, but couldn't bring himself to kill Marduk, realizing that it would end up as an empty victory. So although he didn't personally avenge Armor King by killing Marduk, he somehow has felt quite victorious that he beat Marduk in fair combat, and didn't dwindle into a {{Revenge}}-driven bastard. This rolls back in the later games where eventually Marduk is EasilyForgiven and becomes one of his allies.
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*** [[spoiler: The second one, surprisingly, was taught to him/her by Xykon himself.]]

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama'', one ending of the fourth season has [[spoiler: Lightning beating Cameron]]. However, [[spoiler: Cameron is happy because he isn't injured so much that he has to return to his bubble]], and counts that as a personal victory.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama'', one ending of the fourth season has [[spoiler: Lightning [[spoiler:Lightning beating Cameron]]. However, [[spoiler: Cameron [[spoiler:Cameron is happy because he isn't injured so much that he has to return to his bubble]], and counts that as a personal victory.
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4th Jul '16 3:05:21 AM Morgenthaler
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4th Jul '16 2:50:28 AM Morgenthaler
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* Inverted in ''Film/SevenSamurai'' for the samurai who may have won the battle and their reason for going to the village but don't gain anything for themselves. As Kambei points out the townspeople are prospering and planting while singing and nothing but cold graves or hunger and the road await the samurai. Saved from being a DownerEnding by [[TheObiWan Kambei]]'s wise outlook and the [[RatedMForManly amazing heroism]] of [[TheMagnificentSevenSamurai the seven.]]

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* Inverted in ''Film/SevenSamurai'' for the samurai who may have won the battle and their reason for going to the village but don't gain anything for themselves. As Kambei points out the townspeople are prospering and planting while singing and nothing but cold graves or hunger and the road await the samurai. Saved from being a DownerEnding by [[TheObiWan Kambei]]'s Kambei's wise outlook and the [[RatedMForManly amazing heroism]] of [[TheMagnificentSevenSamurai the seven.]]
18th May '16 11:41:18 AM Jhonny
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* If the descriptions of the Mesoamerican ballgame that say the ''victors'' were sacrificed are accurate (descriptions vary and the actual practices may well have varied too), losing appears highly desirable from today's point of view. Sure you lose the game and miss out on a "great honor" but on the other hand you are ''still alive to tell the tale'' afterwards.
18th May '16 10:56:36 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Mikagami Tokiya in ''FlameOfRecca'', in the second half of the manga, had two cases of defeat and humiliation, turning into a DistressedDude. All this could've been rectified had he been more cruel, like the way he was in the past, but doing so would turn him into a {{Revenge}}-obsessed man that he has refused to embrace in the end of the first half. This is later shown when one of the QuirkyMinibossSquad commented that by letting go of vengeance and also his suicidal tendencies, he is way stronger, and in the end, he avoids the mistake of [[spoiler:killing his own grandfather]] and evolved into a more mature person in general.

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* Mikagami Tokiya in ''FlameOfRecca'', ''Manga/FlameOfRecca'', in the second half of the manga, had two cases of defeat and humiliation, turning into a DistressedDude. All this could've been rectified had he been more cruel, like the way he was in the past, but doing so would turn him into a {{Revenge}}-obsessed man that he has refused to embrace in the end of the first half. This is later shown when one of the QuirkyMinibossSquad commented that by letting go of vengeance and also his suicidal tendencies, he is way stronger, and in the end, he avoids the mistake of [[spoiler:killing his own grandfather]] and evolved into a more mature person in general.
14th May '16 7:36:49 PM nombretomado
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* ''LizzieMcguire'' when [[AlphaBitch Kate]] broke the school founders bust, the principle will suspend the school party unless the one responsible steps forward, Lizzie decides to take the blame for it and is suspended from the party. But her friends told everyone that Kate really did it, and Lizzie took the blame for them, they instead moved the party to Lizzie's house, while Kate is all alone at school.

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* ''LizzieMcguire'' ''Series/LizzieMcGuire'' when [[AlphaBitch Kate]] broke the school founders bust, the principle will suspend the school party unless the one responsible steps forward, Lizzie decides to take the blame for it and is suspended from the party. But her friends told everyone that Kate really did it, and Lizzie took the blame for them, they instead moved the party to Lizzie's house, while Kate is all alone at school.
9th May '16 2:37:27 PM Jhonny
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* Barry Goldwater did not just lose the 1964 Presidential election, he got ''clobbered''. But his 40% to 60% defeat in the national popular vote and electoral landslide loss showed two things: First the South could be won by a Republican (the only states Goldwater won were his home state Arizona and Southern states) and Second there was a conservative movement in the Republican party. It took decades, but ultimately the Republicans took over the South and Conservatives took over the Republican Party. Without Goldwater, none of this would have happened.
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