History Main / TheyStillBelongToUsLecture

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* Used effectively in Film/DannyTheDog.

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* Though completely unintentional, Doviculus causes this in ''BrutalLegend''. He went to where the heroes were at the time demanding that Succoria was "meant to spy on them, not to ''join'' them." Lita instantly assumes that Ophelia is the one he's talking about, and after [[spoiler:Lars is killed by the emperor]], Eddie has his doubts as well. It turns out [[spoiler:that Doviculus was talking about Eddie. He had mistaken the scent of Eddie's blood for that of his mother Succoria's.]]

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* In ''Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride'', Zira uses this effectively with the Pridelanders after Kovu betrays her, leading Simba to exile him back to the Outlands.
* In Disney/AladdinTheReturnOfJafar, Jafar uses this tactic on Iago. Iago does betray Aladdin as Jafar commands him to, but this allegiance doesn't stick.

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* In ''Manga/SoulEater'', [[MagnificentBastard Medusa]] does this ''to the defector in question.'' Without missing a single beat, she manages to talk Chrona into admitting that Chrona only ''pretended'' to defect in order to spy for Medusa, when no such thing was true. Given that Chrona is still a half-insane emotional wreck with severe [[WellDoneSonGuy mommy issues]] this works perfectly and causes Chrona to become an actual mole, while the rest of Chrona's new friends are blissfully unaware. [[FromBadToWorse This only further deteriorates Chrona's fragile psyche]].

The BigBad uses this against the heroes [[ThirdActMisunderstanding in order to sow distrust among the heroes]] about [[AHouseDivided the new comrade.]] They will say their former minion is merely infiltrating the group and that he or she will soon [[FaceHeelTurn backstab them]] in the worst time possible. Or they'll scorn the naivete of the recruiter to be so desperate to make [[StrangeBedfellows what will be, at best, a temporary alliance]] between the newly recruited villain. When the Lecture is used against the betrayer, the BigBad will start off by mocking them for joining the wrong side. When they refuses to change sides, they resort to talking about how [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech worthless they are to both sides]]. If that doesn't work, blackmailing will: talking about how they need a certain [[PsychoSerum drug]] to survive will possibly put them back in line. Dead relatives are the best way to coerce them. Afterwards, the BigBad will leave, letting it stew for a while before getting the results.

* In SoulEater, [[MagnificentBastard Medusa]] does this ''to the defector in question.'' Without missing a single beat, she manages to talk Chrona into admitting that Chrona only ''pretended'' to defect in order to spy for Medusa, when no such thing was true. Given that Chrona is still a half-insane emotional wreck with severe [[WellDoneSonGuy mommy issues]] this works perfectly and causes Chrona to become an actual mole, while the rest of Chrona's new friends are blissfully unaware. [[FromBadToWorse This only further deteriorates Chrona's fragile psyche]].

* In ''Literature/TheLionTheWitchAndTheWardrobe'', the Witch tries to reclaim a character who has made a HeelFaceTurn by telling the heroes that he is a traitor and his blood is her property. Funny thing is, it's actually a valid claim and they have to go through, to put it simply, a lot of troubles to get him completely back.

* Northa attempts to use this on Setsuna in ''Anime/FreshPrettyCure'' as part of a MoreThanMindControl gambit. Earlier in the series- right after her HeelFaceTurn- Wester attempted a similar speech, but it was closer in tone to a IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight.

So you managed to [[HeelFaceTurn turn over a new leaf]] and are in a truce with your former enemies. However, just when you think all is well, the BigBad appears for some reason, and you must confront them: [[ResignationsNotAccepted no running away and no diverting yourself to someone else]]. They ''will'' find you and they ''will'' make sure you are working for them again. But they can't just kidnap you; a rebellious soldier is likely to try to escape again. So how do they break you? They use the TheyStillBelongToUsLecture.

* Northa attempts to use this on Setsuna in ''FreshPrettyCure'' as part of a MoreThanMindControl gambit. Earlier in the series- right after her HeelFaceTurn- Wester attempted a similar speech, but it was closer in tone to a IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight.

->"''Stupid, pitiful creature. [[BadassBoast I am the rage in your heart. I am the fury of your thoughts.]] [[SuperpoweredEvilSide I alone empowered you to bring chaos to this world,]] and by the endless void, '''you shall!"'''''
-->-- '''[[TheCorrupter Mannoroth the Destructor]]''', ''[[WarCraft WarCraft III: Reign of Chaos]]'', [[spoiler: reminding [[BloodKnight Grom Hellscream]] that he and his clan still belong to him.]]

* In the seventh season of BuffyTheVampireSlayer, this is one of the main strategies used by the First Evil to make the Scooby Gang split itself by infighting. Spike, Andrew, and Faith are all formerly evil, and the First warns both these characters and their comrades that they will inevitably return to their evil ways (so they might as well start now).

-->-- '''[[TheCorrupter Mannoroth the Destructor]]''', from ''[[WarCraft WarCraft III: Reign of Chaos]]'', [[spoiler: reminding [[BloodKnight Grom Hellscream]] that he and his clan still belong to him.]]

* In the seventh season of BuffyTheVampireSlayer, this actually one of the strategies used by the First Evil to make the Scooby Gang split itself by infighting. Spike, Andrew, and Faith are all formerly evil, and the First wants both these characters and their comrades that they will inevitably return to their evil ways (so they might as well start now).

* It's actually one of the main strategies used by the First Evil to make the Scooby Gang split itself by infighting. Spike, Andrew, and Faith are all formerly evil, and the First wants both these characters and their comrades that they will inevitably return to their evil ways (so they might as well start now).

* In [[Disney/{{Aladdin}}: The Return Of Jafar]], Jafar uses this tactic on Iago. Iago does betray Aladdin as Jafar commands him to, but this allegiance doesn't stick.

* In [[{{Aladdin}} The Return Of Jafar]], Jafar uses this tactic on Iago. Iago does betray Aladdin as Jafar commands him to, but this allegiance doesn't stick.

* In TheReturnOfJafar, Jafar uses this tactic on Iago. Iago does betray Aladdin as Jafar commands him to, but this allegiance doesn't stick.

* In ''TheLionTheWitchAndTheWardrobe'', the Witch tries to reclaim a character who has made a HeelFaceTurn by telling the heroes that he is a traitor and his blood is her property.
** Funny thing is, it's actually a valid claim and they have to go through, to put it simply, a lot of troubles to get him completely back.
* A heroic variant appears in ''HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'', in which Harry pulls one on Voldemort about [[spoiler: Severus Snape]].

* Used effectively in DannyTheDog.
* In ''Disney/TheLionKing 2'', Zira uses this effectively with the Pridelanders after Kovu betrays her, leading Simba to exile him back to the Outlands.

* In the backstory of the ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'' series, the Orc chieftains on Draenor [[DealWithTheDevil sealed their pact with the Burning Legion]] by drinking the blood of the Pit Lord Mannoroth the Destructor. The Orcs gained a portion of Mannoroth's power and bloodlust in exchange for binding themselves to the Legion's cause. After years of being trapped on Azeroth, Mannoroth's blood weakened and the Orcs slowly regained their true natures. Circumstances in ''Warcraft III'' brought the Warsong clan, the clan lead by the last of the original Orc chieftains Grom Hellscream, into conflict with the powerful Night Elf demigod Cenarius, an old foe of the Legion who recognized the demonic taint still present in the Orcs and immediately attacked them after they cut down some of his trees. Mannoroth took this opportunity to kill two birds with one stone by pouring his blood into a nearby well. Grom was drawn to the well and drank from it, and encouraged the rest of his clan to do the same. After the newly empowered Warsong butchered Cenarius, Mannoroth approached Grom and told him he and the Warsong belonged to the Legion again. Grom protested this and declared that the Orcs were free. Mannoroth responded with the page quote. Mannoroth does this again in the end cinematic of the Orc campaign, claiming that the "whole, misbegotten race" belongs to him. After knocking out Thrall, he taunts Grom by saying they are the same. [[spoiler:It doesn't end well for Mannoroth.]]

* Schneizel uses this trope against Lelouch in ''CodeGeass''. [[spoiler:He goes over to the Black Knights and "accidentally" drops the little bit of info that Zero is Lelouch, his brother. Then he follows up by revealing Lelouch's Geass and finishes with an out-of-context recording of Lelouch admitting his responsibility of the Euphinator incident, [[ManipulativeBastard conveniently forgetting]] to tell the shocked Knights that Lelouch did that due to PowerIncontinence. Cue the Black Knights freaking out and betraying him, with [[MagnificentBastard Lelouch]] [[XanatosSpeedChess playing along and pretending to have manipulated everyone to his own ends]] [[BreakHerHeartToSaveHer in order to save Kallen]].]] And Lelouch ''still'' pulls out of this shitstorm by [[spoiler:[[RefugeInAudacity going over to Britannia and usurping the throne]]]].

* In ''TheLionKing 2'', Zira uses this effectively with the Pridelanders after Kovu betrays her, leading Simba to exile him back to the Outlands.

* In the backstory of the ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'' series, the Orc chieftains on Draenor [[DealWithTheDevil sealed their pact with the Burning Legion]] by drinking the blood of the Pit Lord Mannoroth the Destructor. The Orcs gained a portion of Mannoroth's power and bloodlust in exchange for binding themselves to the Legion's cause. After years of being trapped on Azeroth, Mannoroth's blood weakened and the Orcs slowly regained their true natures. Circumstances in ''Warcraft III'' brought the Warsong clan, the clan lead by the last of the original Orc chieftains Grom Hellscream, into conflict with the powerful Night Elf demigod Cenarius, an old foe of the Legion who recognized the demonic taint still present in the Orcs and immediately attacked them after they cut down some of his trees. Mannoroth took this opportunity to kill two birds with one stone by pouring his blood into a nearby well. Grom was drawn to the well and drank from it, and encouraged the rest of his clan to do the same. After the newly empowered Warsong butchered Cenarius, Mannoroth approached Grom and told him he and the Warsong belonged to the Legion again. Grom protested this and declared that the Orcs were free. Mannoroth responded with the page quote. Mannoroth does this again in the end cinematic of the Orc campaign. After knocking out Thrall, he taunts Grom by saying they are the same. [[spoiler:It doesn't end well for Mannoroth.]]