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6th Mar '17 4:24:07 PM TheUnknownUploader
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheVenturesBros'': After [[spoiler: Henchman 21]] quits in the previous season finale, the Monarch delivers an odd variation of this trope to his own wife instead of the good guys, insisting that the former employee is just "deep undercover" and still loyal and dedicated to the Monarch's goal of ruining Dr. Venture's life. Whether he's just in denial or really believes it is unclear.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheVenturesBros'': ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBros'': After [[spoiler: Henchman 21]] quits in the previous season finale, the Monarch delivers an odd variation of this trope to his own wife instead of the good guys, insisting that the former employee is just "deep undercover" and still loyal and dedicated to the Monarch's goal of ruining Dr. Venture's life. Whether he's just in denial or really believes it is unclear.
6th Mar '17 4:23:31 PM TheUnknownUploader
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* After [[spoiler: Henchman 21]] quits in the previous season finale, the Monarch delivers an odd variation of this trope to his own wife instead of the good guys, insisting that the former employee is just "deep undercover" and still loyal and dedicated to the Monarch's goal of ruining Dr. Venture's life. Whether he's just in denial or really believes it is unclear.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheVenturesBros'': After [[spoiler: Henchman 21]] quits in the previous season finale, the Monarch delivers an odd variation of this trope to his own wife instead of the good guys, insisting that the former employee is just "deep undercover" and still loyal and dedicated to the Monarch's goal of ruining Dr. Venture's life. Whether he's just in denial or really believes it is unclear.
15th Jan '17 4:33:20 PM nombretomado
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* Though completely unintentional, Doviculus causes this in ''BrutalLegend''. He went to where the heroes were at the time demanding that Succoria was "meant to spy on them, not to ''join'' them." Lita instantly assumes that Ophelia is the one he's talking about, and after [[spoiler:Lars is killed by the emperor]], Eddie has his doubts as well. It turns out [[spoiler:that Doviculus was talking about Eddie. He had mistaken the scent of Eddie's blood for that of his mother Succoria's.]]

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* Though completely unintentional, Doviculus causes this in ''BrutalLegend''.''VideoGame/BrutalLegend''. He went to where the heroes were at the time demanding that Succoria was "meant to spy on them, not to ''join'' them." Lita instantly assumes that Ophelia is the one he's talking about, and after [[spoiler:Lars is killed by the emperor]], Eddie has his doubts as well. It turns out [[spoiler:that Doviculus was talking about Eddie. He had mistaken the scent of Eddie's blood for that of his mother Succoria's.]]
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8th Aug '16 4:59:02 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride'': Zira uses this effectively with the Pridelanders after Kovu betrays her, leading Simba to exile him back to the Outlands.
* ''Disney/AladdinTheReturnOfJafar'': Jafar uses this tactic on Iago. Iago does betray Aladdin as Jafar commands him to, but this allegiance doesn't stick.

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* In ''Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride'', Zira uses this effectively with the Pridelanders after Kovu betrays her, leading Simba to exile him back to the Outlands.
* In Disney/AladdinTheReturnOfJafar, Jafar uses this tactic on Iago. Iago does betray Aladdin as Jafar commands him to, but this allegiance doesn't stick.

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* In ''Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride'', Zira uses this effectively with the Pridelanders after Kovu betrays her, leading Simba to exile him back to the Outlands.
* In Disney/AladdinTheReturnOfJafar, Jafar uses this tactic on Iago. Iago does betray Aladdin as Jafar commands him to, but this allegiance doesn't stick.
8th Aug '16 4:58:02 PM Morgenthaler
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7th Aug '16 10:57:14 PM Manw0name
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* In ''Manga/SoulEater'', [[MagnificentBastard Medusa]] does this ''to the defector in question.'' Without missing a single beat, she manages to talk Chrona into admitting that Chrona only ''pretended'' to defect in order to spy for Medusa, when no such thing was true. Given that Chrona is still a half-insane emotional wreck with severe [[WellDoneSonGuy mommy issues]] this works perfectly and causes Chrona to become an actual mole, while the rest of Chrona's new friends are blissfully unaware. [[FromBadToWorse This only further deteriorates Chrona's fragile psyche]].

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* In ''Manga/SoulEater'', [[MagnificentBastard Medusa]] does this ''to the defector in question.'' Without missing a single beat, she manages to talk Chrona into admitting that Chrona only ''pretended'' to defect in order to spy for Medusa, when no such thing was true. Given that Chrona is still a half-insane emotional wreck with severe [[WellDoneSonGuy mommy issues]] this works perfectly and causes Chrona to become an actual mole, while the rest of Chrona's new friends are blissfully unaware. [[FromBadToWorse This only further deteriorates Chrona's fragile psyche]].
psyche]]. Later, in the anime [[spoiler: she tries the same thing again when Crona turns against her, with [[ShutUpHannibal less fruitful results.]]]]
5th Jan '16 11:35:55 PM FordPrefect
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The BigBad uses this against the heroes [[ThirdActMisunderstanding in order to sow distrust among the heroes]] about [[AHouseDivided the new comrade.]] They will say their former minion is merely infiltrating the group and that he or she will soon [[FaceHeelTurn backstab them]] in the worst time possible. Or they'll scorn the naivete of the recruiter to be so desperate to make [[StrangeBedfellows what will be, at best, a temporary alliance]] between the newly recruited villain. When the Lecture is used against the betrayer, the BigBad will start off by mocking them for joining the wrong side. When they refuses to change sides, they resort to talking about how [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech worthless they are to both sides]]. If that doesn't work, blackmailing will: talking about how they need a certain [[PsychoSerum drug]] to survive will possibly put them back in line. Dead relatives are the best way to coerce them. Afterwards, the BigBad will leave, letting it stew for a while before getting the results.

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The BigBad uses this against the heroes [[ThirdActMisunderstanding in order to sow distrust among the heroes]] about [[AHouseDivided the new comrade.]] They will say their former minion is merely infiltrating the group and that he or she will soon [[FaceHeelTurn backstab them]] in the worst time possible. Or they'll scorn the naivete of the recruiter to be so desperate to make [[StrangeBedfellows what will be, at best, a temporary alliance]] between with the newly recruited villain. When the Lecture is used against the betrayer, the BigBad will start off by mocking them for joining the wrong side. When they refuses refuse to change sides, they resort to talking about how [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech worthless they are to both sides]]. If that doesn't work, blackmailing will: talking about how they need a certain [[PsychoSerum drug]] to survive will possibly put them back in line. Dead relatives are the best way to coerce them. Afterwards, the BigBad will leave, letting it stew for a while before getting the results.
3rd Jan '16 11:38:58 AM nombretomado
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* In SoulEater, [[MagnificentBastard Medusa]] does this ''to the defector in question.'' Without missing a single beat, she manages to talk Chrona into admitting that Chrona only ''pretended'' to defect in order to spy for Medusa, when no such thing was true. Given that Chrona is still a half-insane emotional wreck with severe [[WellDoneSonGuy mommy issues]] this works perfectly and causes Chrona to become an actual mole, while the rest of Chrona's new friends are blissfully unaware. [[FromBadToWorse This only further deteriorates Chrona's fragile psyche]].

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* In SoulEater, ''Manga/SoulEater'', [[MagnificentBastard Medusa]] does this ''to the defector in question.'' Without missing a single beat, she manages to talk Chrona into admitting that Chrona only ''pretended'' to defect in order to spy for Medusa, when no such thing was true. Given that Chrona is still a half-insane emotional wreck with severe [[WellDoneSonGuy mommy issues]] this works perfectly and causes Chrona to become an actual mole, while the rest of Chrona's new friends are blissfully unaware. [[FromBadToWorse This only further deteriorates Chrona's fragile psyche]].
1st Aug '15 6:34:24 PM DarkHunter
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* In ''Literature/TheLionTheWitchAndTheWardrobe'', the Witch tries to reclaim a character who has made a HeelFaceTurn by telling the heroes that he is a traitor and his blood is her property. Funny thing is, it's actually a valid claim and they have to go through, to put it simply, a lot of troubles to get him completely back.

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* In ''Literature/TheLionTheWitchAndTheWardrobe'', the Witch tries to reclaim a character who has made a HeelFaceTurn by telling the heroes that he is a traitor and his blood is her property. Funny thing The problem is, according to the laws of magic in Narnia, it's actually a valid claim and they have to go through, to put it simply, a lot of troubles to get him completely back.
17th Jul '15 5:39:47 AM Llygodenfawr
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* Northa attempts to use this on Setsuna in ''Anime/FreshPrettyCure'' as part of a MoreThanMindControl gambit. Earlier in the series- right after her HeelFaceTurn- Wester attempted a similar speech, but it was closer in tone to a IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight.

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* Northa attempts to use this on Setsuna in ''Anime/FreshPrettyCure'' as part of a MoreThanMindControl gambit. Earlier in the series- series -- right after her HeelFaceTurn- HeelFaceTurn -- Wester attempted a similar speech, but it was closer in tone to a IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight.
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