History Main / TheyStillBelongToUsLecture

The BigBad uses this against the heroes [[ThirdActMisunderstanding in order to sow distrust among the heroes]] about [[AHouseDivided the new comrade.]] They will say their former minion is merely infiltrating the group and that he or she will soon [[FaceHeelTurn backstab them]] in the worst time possible. Or they'll scorn the naivete of the recruiter to be so desperate to make [[StrangeBedfellows what will be, at best, a temporary alliance]] between the newly recruited villain. When the Lecture is used against the betrayer, the BigBad will start off by mocking them for joining the wrong side. When they refuses to change sides, they resort to talking about how [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech worthless they are to both sides]]. If that doesn't work, blackmailing will: talking about how they need a certain [[PsychoSerum drug]] to survive will possibly put them back in line. [[DeadLittleSister Dead relatives are the best way to coerce them]]. Afterwards, the BigBad will leave, letting it stew for a while before getting the results.

* In SoulEater, [[MagnificentBastard Medusa]] does this ''to the defector in question.'' Without missing a single beat, she manages to talk Chrona into admitting that Chrona only ''pretended'' to defect in order to spy for Medusa, when no such thing was true. Given that Chrona is still a half-insane emotional wreck with severe [[WellDoneSonGuy mommy issues]] this works perfectly and causes Chrona to become an actual mole, while the rest of Chrona's new friends are blissfully unaware. [[ItGotWorse This only further deteriorates Chrona's fragile psyche]].

* In ''The Lion King 2'', Zira uses this effectively with the Pridelanders after Kovu betrays her, leading Simba to exile him back to the Outlands.

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* In ''OrderOfTheStick'', during a fight, Elan's brother Nale throws this into play when he realizes that Haley can't speak up to defend herself. He not only makes up the "fact" of her being on his side from the beginning, he uses a suggestion spell to help Elan believe it and to ensure he reacts with anger - hoping Elan will turn on Haley and maybe even kill her himself. It might've worked, except that [[spoiler:the situation gave Haley [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove exactly the reason she needed]] for her subconscious to stop blocking her ability to speak.]]

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* On ''StarTrekVoyager'', the Borg Queen was prone to a "You Still Belong To Me" variant of this kind of speech on the subject of Seven of Nine.

* In ''FinalFantasyVI'', Kefka declares Celes to be a spy for the Empire. Celes denies it, but Locke still questions her true intentions. VillainsNeverLie after all. Kefka's escorts then incapacitate the party before Celes teleports them all away, leaving it in question for Locke (and the player) as to who was really telling the truth - Celes or Kefka. [[spoiler: Celes.]]

* Schneizel uses this trope against Lelouch in ''CodeGeass''. [[spoiler:He goes over to the Black Knights and "accidentally" drops the little bit of info that Zero is Lelouch, his brother. Then he follows up by revealing Lelouch's Geass and finishes with an out-of-context recording of Lelouch admitting his responsibility of the Euphinator incident, [[ManipulativeBastard conveniently forgetting]] to tell the shocked Knights that Lelouch did that due to PowerIncontinence. Cue the Black Knights freaking out and betraying him, with [[MagnificentBastard Lelouch]] [[XanatosSpeedChess playing along and pretending to have manipulated everyone to his own ends]] [[BreakHerHeartToSaveHer in order to save Kallen]].]] And Lelouch ''still'' pulls out of this shitstorm by [[spoiler:[[BeyondTheImpossible going over to Britannia and usurping the throne]]]].

* In The Lion King 2, Zira uses this effectively with the Pridelanders after Kovu betrays her, leading Simba to exile him back to the Outlands.

* In ''OrderOfTheStick'', during a fight, Elan's brother Nale throws this into play when he realizes that Haley can't speak up to defend herself. He not only makes up the "fact" of her being on his side from the beginning, he uses a suggestion spell to help Elan believe it and to ensure he reacts with anger - hoping Elan will turn on Haley and maybe even kill her himself. It might've worked, except that [[spoiler:the situation gave Haley exactly the reasoning she needed for her subconscious to stop blocking her ability to speak.]]

* When the Norsefire party's hold on Great Britain is slipping in ''VForVendetta'', Sutler starts a propaganda campaign to regain control of the population:
--> '''Sutler''': What we need right now is a clear message to the people of this country. This message must be read in every newspaper, heard on every radio, and seen on every television. This message will resound throught the entire Interlink. I want this country to realize that we stand on the edge of oblivion. I want every man, woman and child to understand how close we are to chaos. I want everyone to remember why they ''need'' us!

* In ''FinalFantasyVI'', Kefka at one point tries to convince the party that Celes has been a [[TheMole mole]] in their ranks since joining (she's not). His bluff doesn't really work at all, mainly because Celes ''[[ShutUpHannibal stabs him]]'' mid-speech.

** Funny thins is, it's actually a valid claim and they have to go through, to put it simply, a lot of troubles to get him completely back.

* In ''FinalFantasyVI'', Kefka at one point tries to convince the party that Celes has been a [[TheMole mole]] in their ranks since joining (she's not). His bluff doesn't really work at all, though.
** Mainly because Celes ''[[ShutUpHannibal stabs him]]'' mid-speech.

See HonorBeforeReason and the heroic version IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight. A form of AppleOfDiscord

See HonorBeforeReason and the heroic version IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight.

* After Eas' HeelFaceTurn in ''FreshPrettyCure'', she gets one of these by Mobeius. Needless to say, she sticks around with her team while Labyrinth got a new column in the form of Northa.

* Schneizel uses this trope against Lelouch in ''CodeGeass''. [[spoiler:He goes over to the Black Knights and "accidentally" drops the little bit of info that Zero is Lelouch, his brother. Then he follows up by revealing Lelouch's Geass and finishes with an out-of-context recording of Lelouch admitting his responsibility of the Euphinator incident, [[ManipulativeBastard conveniently forgetting]] to tell the shocked Knights that Lelouch did that due to PowerIncontinence. Cue the Black Knights freaking out and betraying him, with [[MagnificentBastard Lelouch]] [[XanatosSpeedChess playing along and pretending to have manipulated everyone to his own ends in order to save Kallen]].]] And Lelouch ''still'' pulls out of this shitstorm by [[spoiler:[[BeyondTheImpossible going over to Britannia and usurping the throne]]]].

In less idealistic fictions, this is effective in getting them back in the fold and causes the character with weak mental resolve to go back to the bad guys' side. Even if the speech doesn't work, expect comrades to be suspicious of the reformed baddie once they realize he can become a liability in an instant and one of the members to enter a InspectorJavert like state. This may even provoke the turncoat to make another turn. If the speech fails and the heroes believe that they can be trusted anyway, the BigBad need only hire a [[SixthColumn replacement]] who is guaranteed to be loyal.

So you managed to [[HeelFaceTurn turn over a new leaf]] and are in a truce with your former enemies. However, just when you think all is well, the BigBad appears for some reason, and you must confront them: no running away and no diverting yourself to someone else. [[YouCanNeverLeave They]] ''[[YouCanNeverLeave will]]'' [[YouCanNeverLeave find you and they]] ''[[YouCanNeverLeave will]]'' [[YouCanNeverLeave make sure you are working for them again]]. But they can't just kidnap you; a rebellious soldier is likely to try to escape again. So how do they break you? They use the TheyStillBelongToUsLecture.

See HonorBeforeReason and the heroic version IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight. Related tropes include YouCanNeverLeave.