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* Averted quite nicely in the fourth volume of Mirage's TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles series. The series starts out with the Utroms, aliens who have appeared in the story before, coming to Earth and offering the planet a chance to join the larger galactic community. The narration describes how the world reacts to the offer and knowledge that aliens exist. Among other things, religions try to fit the aliens existence into their doctrines, several regimes are overthown, and the stock market is thrown into chaos. There're more mundane consequences, such as a vicious bidding war between toy companies for the right to produce Utrom plushies. The story resumes after the governments of the world have mostly managed to smooth things out, but the way society has changed to accomodate the aliens is a major part of the series from that point on.

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* Averted quite nicely in the fourth volume of Mirage's TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles ''Comicbook/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles' series. The series starts out with the Utroms, aliens who have appeared in the story before, coming to Earth and offering the planet a chance to join the larger galactic community. The narration describes how the world reacts to the offer and knowledge that aliens exist. Among other things, religions try to fit the aliens existence into their doctrines, several regimes are overthown, and the stock market is thrown into chaos. There're more mundane consequences, such as a vicious bidding war between toy companies for the right to produce Utrom plushies. The story resumes after the governments of the world have mostly managed to smooth things out, but the way society has changed to accomodate accommodate the aliens is a major part of the series from that point on.
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* If you start reading ''{{Shortpacked}}!'' without reading the previous works set in the same [[WalkyVerse shared universe]], you'd completely miss out on the fact that Shortpacked! takes place in a world where aliens have been publicly revealed to exist, it's public knowledge that the US government has reversed engineered alien technology including giant robots and spaceships, and where just a short time before Shortpacked! starts, Earth fought a war against the Martians who wanted to KillAllHumans.

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* If you start reading ''{{Shortpacked}}!'' ''Webcomic/{{Shortpacked}}!'' without reading the previous works set in the same [[WalkyVerse shared universe]], you'd completely miss out on the fact that Shortpacked! takes place in a world where aliens have been publicly revealed to exist, it's public knowledge that the US government has reversed engineered alien technology including giant robots and spaceships, and where just a short time before Shortpacked! starts, Earth fought a war against the Martians who wanted to KillAllHumans.
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* In the {{Paradise}} setting, humans are changed into FunnyAnimals, but the effects of the change are InvisibleToNormals who see the Changed as the people they used to be…until the setting's WeirdnessCensor stops working. After [[TheUnmasquedWorld the unmasquing]], the world seems to go on largely the same as usual (with one or two notable exceptions), with Changed being generally accepted into society. This is probably due to lingering effects of the [[WeirdnessCensor "Reality Distortion Field"]], which may still be influencing humanity even as it lets them see the Changed's true faces. (It may also be that stories in which more global consequences do happen simply haven't been written yet.)

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* In the {{Paradise}} ''{{Paradise}}'' setting, humans are changed into FunnyAnimals, {{Funny Animal}}s, but the effects of the change are InvisibleToNormals who see the Changed as the people they used to be…until the setting's WeirdnessCensor stops working. After [[TheUnmasquedWorld the unmasquing]], the world seems to go on largely the same as usual (with one or two notable exceptions), with Changed being generally accepted into society. This is probably due to lingering effects of the [[WeirdnessCensor "Reality Distortion Field"]], which may still be influencing humanity even as it lets them see the Changed's true faces. (It may also be that stories in which more global consequences do happen simply haven't been written yet.)
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* The second variety is played straight in the manga ''[[http://onemanga.com/Watashi_no_Messiah-sama/ Watashi no Messiah-sama]]''. Once the protagonist is forced via XanatosGambit to do TheReveal about his powers in front of the media and military and declare that he would go against the world if he had to, things get chaotic ''very'' quickly. His school sides with him ''against the world'' and secedes from Japan, declaring independence with [[RuleOfCool armies of tanks and ninjas]] led by a [[ScaryShinyGlasses eerily hyper-competent teacher]], while different nations send in special ops forces to wipe the protagonist and his companions out, which results in [[spoiler:a secondary character getting shot and dying, causing her love interest (the so-far unawakened BigBad) to perform the biggest FaceHeelTurn of the series, propelling the main plot to it's finale]].

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* The second variety is played straight in the manga ''[[http://onemanga.com/Watashi_no_Messiah-sama/ Watashi no Messiah-sama]]''. Once the protagonist is forced via XanatosGambit to do TheReveal about his powers in front of the media and military and declare that he would go against the world if he had to, things get chaotic ''very'' quickly. His school sides with him ''against the world'' and secedes from Japan, declaring independence with [[RuleOfCool armies of tanks and ninjas]] led by a [[ScaryShinyGlasses eerily hyper-competent teacher]], while different nations send in special ops forces to wipe the protagonist and his companions out, which results in [[spoiler:a secondary character getting shot and dying, causing her love interest (the so-far unawakened BigBad) to perform the biggest FaceHeelTurn of the series, propelling the main plot to it's finale]].
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* In ''{{Ben 10}}'', there are aliens -- especially Ben's -- all over the news, but besides the established MenInBlack, The Plumbers, and one task force, humanity seems to not care that there are other sentient lifeforms out there. The only scientist to ever go near Ben is the [[MadScientist crazy one]] who wants the [[MacGuffin Omnitrix]]. As does every alien and their grandmothers -- but no humans.

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* In ''{{Ben 10}}'', there are aliens -- especially Ben's -- all over the news, but besides the established MenInBlack, {{MIB}}, The Plumbers, and one task force, humanity seems to not care that there are other sentient lifeforms out there. The only scientist to ever go near Ben is the [[MadScientist crazy one]] who wants the [[MacGuffin Omnitrix]]. As does every alien and their grandmothers -- but no humans.
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** The main reason for this is that the show doesn't really hang around to see the effects of these consequences. Sure, you'll get an episode or two where all the humans turn into the Master, or ghosts turn out to be cybermen and what have you, but the next episode you'll probably be somewhere or when completely different. Aside from a small comment, its hard to judge the way society's really changed. This is why TorchWood succeeds at averting this trope more. Its permantly on Earth, so it can deal with the political and social ramifications of constant alien invasions or everyone becoming immortal more thoroughly. (Arguably, the SarahJaneAdventures could have as well, but this would probably have been considered too dark/deep for a kids' show.)

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** The main reason for this is that the show doesn't really hang around to see the effects of these consequences. Sure, you'll get an episode or two where all the humans turn into the Master, or ghosts turn out to be cybermen and what have you, but the next episode you'll probably be somewhere or when completely different. Aside from a small comment, its hard to judge the way society's really changed. This is why TorchWood succeeds at averting this trope more. Its permantly permanently on Earth, so it can deal with the political and social ramifications of constant alien invasions or everyone becoming immortal more thoroughly. (Arguably, the SarahJaneAdventures TheSarahJaneAdventures could have as well, but this would probably have been considered too dark/deep for a kids' show.)
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* The end of the YuYuHakusho manga screws continuity in favor of allowing the main characters an easy commute, and (due to Koenma's coup) opens the borders between the human and demon dimensions, relying on Enki's noninterference laws to keep everything smooth, and the Masquerade is also abandoned, though it takes a while for humans to start believing in the demon population. This goes quite calmly.
** One of the reasons it goes calmly is that Togashi retconned that demons aren't actually prone to violent crime, and all the proof that they were was due to Enma Senior's propaganda. This despite the fact that they come form a feudal society where AsskickingEqualsAuthority is the only thing anyone recognizes, and a lot of them have humans as their natural diet.
** On the other hand, dispossessed political elements within the spirit world stage a terrorist coup in response and nearly blow up the world with a laser cannon. [[UnfortunateImplications They do this wearing keffiyeh for no reason whatsoever.]]
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* Quietly touched on in the HoneyIShrunkTheKids trilogy. In the final scene of the first film, the family gathers around the table to partake of an enlarged turkey dinner, and there is talk of eliminating world hunger. However, the second film shows the attempt to perfect an enlargement ray, although Wayne is now part of an official lab. The direct-to-video third film may hold the key to this apparent CanonDiscontinuity: Wayne was forbidden to use the shrink ray again, under orders from a committee of the FDA and his wife Diane, despite now being president of Szalinski Labs. Let's apply some FridgeLogic: either the calorie count of enlarged food remains identical, or some other side effect of using the shrink ray as an enlarger showed up in a way that threatened the food supply and somehow ruined that dinner.

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* Quietly touched on in the HoneyIShrunkTheKids ''Film/HoneyIShrunkTheKids'' trilogy. In the final scene of the first film, the family gathers around the table to partake of an enlarged turkey dinner, and there is talk of eliminating world hunger. However, the second film shows the attempt to perfect an enlargement ray, although Wayne is now part of an official lab. The direct-to-video third film may hold the key to this apparent CanonDiscontinuity: Wayne was forbidden to use the shrink ray again, under orders from a committee of the FDA and his wife Diane, despite now being president of Szalinski Labs. Let's apply some FridgeLogic: either the calorie count of enlarged food remains identical, or some other side effect of using the shrink ray as an enlarger showed up in a way that threatened the food supply and somehow ruined that dinner.
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* Averted in ''{{Gargoyles}}: The Goliath Chronicles''. After the {{Masquerade}} is nuked, a KuKluxKlan {{Expy}} forms against them, and lawmakers try to figure out just where a Gargoyle stands in regard to the law (including a memorable case where Goliath is arrested and brought to trial and his lawyer asks him to try to get off on the grounds that he's not human).

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* Averted in ''{{Gargoyles}}: ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}: The Goliath Chronicles''. After the {{Masquerade}} is nuked, a KuKluxKlan {{Expy}} forms against them, and lawmakers try to figure out just where a Gargoyle stands in regard to the law (including a memorable case where Goliath is arrested and brought to trial and his lawyer asks him to try to get off on the grounds that he's not human).
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*** And anyone who cared to know knew it could happen long before Shoemaker-Levy 9.
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** The main reason for this is that the show doesn't really hang around to see the effects of these consequences. Sure, you'll get an episode or two where all the humans turn into the Master, or ghosts turn out to be cybermen and what have you, but the next episode you'll probably be somewhere or when completely different. Aside from a small comment, its hard to judge the way society's really changed. This is why TorchWood succeeds at averting this trope more. Its permantly on Earth, so it can deal with the political and social ramifications of constant alien invasions or everyone becoming immortal more thoroughly. (Arguably, the SarahJaneAdventures could have as well, but this would probably have been considered too dark/deep for a kids' show.)
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* Partly averted, but not that much in the [[DoctorWho Whoniverse]]. Despite mass invasions and fighting between by Daleks and Cybermen, ''the Sun going out'' for a few minutes, ''the sky burning up'' and the Earth getting ''frigging stolen''. Has this changed day-to-day life? A little, but not much. Certainly not the millions dead or traumatized that you might expect. In ''{{Torchwood}}'''s ''Children of Earth'' miniseries there's a discussion of how a woman committed suicide after all the aliens made her lose faith in god.

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* Partly averted, but not that much in the [[DoctorWho [[Series/DoctorWho Whoniverse]]. Despite mass invasions and fighting between by Daleks and Cybermen, ''the Sun going out'' for a few minutes, ''the sky burning up'' and the Earth getting ''frigging stolen''. Has this changed day-to-day life? A little, but not much. Certainly not the millions dead or traumatized that you might expect. In ''{{Torchwood}}'''s ''Children of Earth'' miniseries there's a discussion of how a woman committed suicide after all the aliens made her lose faith in god.

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Someone point me a post-Journey\'s End episode of those two shows that state that people are still under a Masquerade.


* Partly averted, but not that much in the [[DoctorWho Whoniverse]]. Despite mass invasions and fighting between by Daleks and Cybermen, ''the Sun going out'' for a few minutes, ''the sky burning up'' and the Earth getting ''frigging stolen''. Has this changed day-to-day life? A little, but not much. Certainly not the millions dead or traumatized that you might expect. (Some lines of dialogue in the SpinOffSeries ''{{Torchwood}}'' and ''TheSarahJaneAdventures'' even implied that, even now, TheMasquerade [[ExtraStrengthMasquerade continues]], though at least one guest character on the latter show alluded to the Dalek invasion as a matter of fact. Of course, just in the last few years, Earth has had ''two'' Dalek invasions.
** It helps that some things may have gotten swallowed up by the cracks in Space/Time. Also, in [[{{Torchwood}} Children of Earth]] there's a discussion of how a woman committed suicide after all the aliens made her lose faith in god.

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* Partly averted, but not that much in the [[DoctorWho Whoniverse]]. Despite mass invasions and fighting between by Daleks and Cybermen, ''the Sun going out'' for a few minutes, ''the sky burning up'' and the Earth getting ''frigging stolen''. Has this changed day-to-day life? A little, but not much. Certainly not the millions dead or traumatized that you might expect. (Some lines In ''{{Torchwood}}'''s ''Children of dialogue in the SpinOffSeries ''{{Torchwood}}'' and ''TheSarahJaneAdventures'' even implied that, even now, TheMasquerade [[ExtraStrengthMasquerade continues]], though at least one guest character on the latter show alluded to the Dalek invasion as a matter of fact. Of course, just in the last few years, Earth has had ''two'' Dalek invasions.
** It helps that some things may have gotten swallowed up by the cracks in Space/Time. Also, in [[{{Torchwood}} Children of Earth]]
Earth'' miniseries there's a discussion of how a woman committed suicide after all the aliens made her lose faith in god.
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* Averted in ''TheSookieStackhouseMysteries''. The U.S. is one of only a handful of countries that [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman considers vampires legally people]] (read: it's illegal to [[VanHelsingHateCrime hunt them down and kill them]] -- though that doesn't stop people from doing so and using vamp blood as a potent drug). And there's The Brotherhood of the Sun -- an anti-vamp Christian sect. This may have something to do with the fact that they ''[[ImAHumanitarian eat people]]''.

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* Averted in ''TheSookieStackhouseMysteries''. The U.S. is one of only a handful of countries that [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman considers vampires legally people]] (read: it's illegal to [[VanHelsingHateCrime hunt them down and kill them]] -- though that doesn't stop people from doing so and using vamp blood as a potent drug). The first book mention that the citizens of Afghanistan ripped their vampire spokeswoman into bloody shreds. And there's The Brotherhood of the Sun -- an anti-vamp Christian sect. This may have something to do with the fact that they ''[[ImAHumanitarian eat people]]''.
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* Averted pretty handily in CannonGodExaxxion. The Riofaldians integrate themselves into Earth culture and their impressive technology revolutionizes humanity... to the point that when they reveal their plans for invasion, they control almost all of the technology on the planet.
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* Both averted and played straight in ''[[PandorasStar Pandora's Star]]''. Humanity has changed irretrievably by the time the main story begins, and the general population is aware of this. The ''alien antagonists'', however, are taken over by a single alien mind, which nukes the competing aliens and is oblivious or indifferent to the fact it has caused a nuclear winter on its home world, carrying out plans for an invasion as if nothing has changed.

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* Both averted and played straight in ''[[PandorasStar Pandora's Star]]''.''Literature/PandorasStar''. Humanity has changed irretrievably by the time the main story begins, and the general population is aware of this. The ''alien antagonists'', however, are taken over by a single alien mind, which nukes the competing aliens and is oblivious or indifferent to the fact it has caused a nuclear winter on its home world, carrying out plans for an invasion as if nothing has changed.
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*** Marvel isn't "better" than DC — it's just that the DC citizens happen to like and accept their superheroes, out of tradition. This was actually analyzed in JLA: The Nail, where it was basically concluded that the reason the DC civilians are not like Marvel civilians is because Superman was such a nice guy to the citizens of Metropolis they put the kibosh on all the J. Jonah Jamesons. Marvel mainly had superior assholes, like Namor the Submariner, and soldiers, like Captain America, around before the FantasticFour came into the scene and started the superhero age.
*** Plus, DC deals with a lot more huge disasters and their villains' power levels are usually far too high for anyone ''but'' superheroes to counter. This combined with a long superhero history, including the JSA's WWII cred, causes something of a division of labor between normal law enforcement/military/emergency workers, and superheroes.
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** You may wonder why goverment or army is not interested in group of [[OneManArmy One Man Armies]] running around and regulary demaging buildings.
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* Averted in ''{{Gargoyles}: The Goliath Chronicles''. After the {{Masquerade}} is nuked, a KuKluxKlan {{Expy}} forms against them, and lawmakers try to figure out just where a Gargoyle stands in regard to the law (including a memorable case where Goliath is arrested and brought to trial and his lawyer asks him to try to get off on the grounds that he's not human).

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* Averted in ''{{Gargoyles}: ''{{Gargoyles}}: The Goliath Chronicles''. After the {{Masquerade}} is nuked, a KuKluxKlan {{Expy}} forms against them, and lawmakers try to figure out just where a Gargoyle stands in regard to the law (including a memorable case where Goliath is arrested and brought to trial and his lawyer asks him to try to get off on the grounds that he's not human).
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* Averted in ''{{Gargoyles}: The Goliath Chronicles''. After the {{Masquerade}} is nuked, a KuKluxKlan {{Expy}} forms against them, and lawmakers try to figure out just where a Gargoyle stands in regard to the law (including a memorable case where Goliath is arrested and brought to trial and his lawyer asks him to try to get off on the grounds that he's not human).
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* The second season of ''DarkerThanBlack'' shows absolutely no consequence blowing the lid on the existence of the Contractors. The general public are somewhat nervous of them, but the can still blend in comfortably with society. Government agencies still use Contractors and Dolls as pawns; the only difference is that they can acknowledge them in their diplomatic dealings with each other.
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* Messed around a bit with in {{Guyver}}. After X-Day when [[AncientConspiracy Kronos]] unveils themselves and take over the world there are major shake-ups at high levels of government and the protagonists are forced further into hiding since their pursuers no longer have to worry keeping up the {{Masquerade}}. However for the average person on the street who is not a member of {{La Resistance}} the only real difference is recruiting ads and posters and a Zoanoid Boy Band.

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* Messed around a bit with in {{Guyver}}.''{{Guyver}}''. After X-Day when [[AncientConspiracy Kronos]] unveils themselves and take over the world there are major shake-ups at high levels of government and the protagonists are forced further into hiding since their pursuers no longer have to worry keeping up the {{Masquerade}}. However for the average person on the street who is not a member of {{La Resistance}} the only real difference is recruiting ads and posters and a Zoanoid Boy Band.

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* In PowerRangers, Earth made a formal FirstContact in 1998. By 2008, the only change we see to life on Earth is that colleges now teach galactic mythology in addition to Earth mythology. Other than that, things are exactly like real life.
** It should be noted, though, that after years of monster attacks the government finally debuted [[PowerRangersLightspeedRescue their own Ranger team]] to deal with paranormal threats in 2000, and by [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture 2025]] aliens will have settled on earth and there'll be SpacePolice to deal with alien criminals. There are also hints that morphing technology is out there for those who want it, even if only a very few can get it (a private corporation studied Ranger tech in 2001; the 2008 team was publicly backed by a billionaire with his own company; and the 2009 mentor got morphers "from a guy who knew a guy who had an uncle", which to some suggests a black market).

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* In PowerRangers, PowerRangers looks like a case of no global consequences, with things exactly like real life despite Earth made a suffering monster attacks since 1993 and making formal FirstContact in 1998. By 2008, the only change we see to life on Earth is '98. But keep in mind that colleges now teach galactic mythology in addition to Earth mythology. Other than that, things are exactly like real life.
** It should be noted, though, that after years of monster attacks
the government finally debuted [[PowerRangersLightspeedRescue their own Ranger team]] to deal with paranormal threats in 2000, and by [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture 2025]] aliens will have settled on earth and there'll be SpacePolice to deal with alien criminals. There are also hints that morphing technology is out there for those who want it, even if only a very few can get it (a private corporation studied Ranger tech in 2001; the 2008 team was publicly backed by a billionaire with his own company; and the 2009 mentor got morphers "from a guy who knew a guy who had an uncle", which to some suggests a black market). They're still lowballing the consequences by a long shot, but they're there.
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No scientists tear their hair out in frustration, spew around theories and ask you to JustThinkOfThePotential. Nobody will sneak in in the night and try to steal your TransformationTrinket of ClingyMacGuffin to be a little super. And Alice and Bob still go to school, stay out of trouble, keep their heads down and maybe join the "I love aliens !" fanclub.

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No scientists tear their hair out in frustration, spew around theories and ask you to JustThinkOfThePotential. Nobody will sneak in in the night and try to steal your TransformationTrinket of ClingyMacGuffin to be a little super. And Alice and Bob AliceAndBob still go to school, stay out of trouble, keep their heads down and maybe join the "I love aliens !" fanclub.
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* Averted quite nicely in the fourth volume of Mirage's TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles series. The series starts out with the Utroms, aliens who have appeared in the story before, coming to Earth and offering the planet a chance to join the larger galactic community. The narration describes how the world reacts to the offer and knowledge that aliens exist. Among other things, religions try to fit the aliens existence into their doctrines, several regimes are overthown, and the stock market is thrown into chaos. There're more mundane consequences, such as a vicious bidding war between toy companies for the right to produce Utrom plushies. The story resumes after the governments of the world have mostly managed to smooth things out, but the way society has changed to accomodate the aliens is a major part of the series from that point on.

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** And that's assuming that all the invasions of Earth in the ''original'' series that UNIT helped the Doctor out with did, in fact, happen after 2008. Just don't claim anything one way or the other around original series ''Who'' fans.
*** They didn't happen after 2008, as both Sarah Jane Smith and {{The Brigadier}} are older. The argument is wheather they happened in TheSeventies of TheEighties.
** It helps that somethings may have gotten swallowed up by the cracks in Space/Time. Also, in [[Torchwood Children of Earth]] there's a discussion of how a woman committed suicide after all the aliens made her loose faith in god.

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** And that's assuming that all the invasions of Earth in the ''original'' series that UNIT helped the Doctor out with did, in fact, happen after 2008. Just don't claim anything one way or the other around original series ''Who'' fans.
*** They didn't happen after 2008, as both Sarah Jane Smith and {{The Brigadier}} are older. The argument is wheather they happened in TheSeventies of TheEighties.
** It helps that somethings some things may have gotten swallowed up by the cracks in Space/Time. Also, in [[Torchwood [[{{Torchwood}} Children of Earth]] there's a discussion of how a woman committed suicide after all the aliens made her loose lose faith in god.
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Changing indent. The deities issue is really separate from the souls issue. Just knowing that souls exist should have an effect.


**Of course, there ''are'' significant differences. Marvel has mounds of evidence for the existence of Greek and Norse deities, which ''should'' have more of an effect on religion. DC has more or less equal evidence for Greek, Egyptian, and Judeo-Christian, explaining the lack of departure from said religions there, although not the lack of flocking ''to'' them.
*** This varies. Knowledge of the existence of the Norse pantheon in Marvel comics, for example, might be no older than Thor's time as a New York-based superhero. Thanks to ComicBookTime, that's probably only 10 to 15 years. It's plausible that there would be a modern Aesir-worshipping movement after that much time but then again plausible that there wouldn't be, considering how many nigh-godlike beings there are in this world that ''don't'' claim to be gods or care about being worshipped. Some Marvel continuities, in particular the 2099 line, are set further in the future and do indeed worship Thor and show other cultural impacts of twentieth-century "age of heroes".
*** At least one story in the Thor comics (right before Walt Simonson's legendary run) involved Thor discovering a cult in Chicago (portrayed as good hearted but misguided) that publically worshipped him - he responded by making a comment to the effect that he no longer desired worshippers. The same storyline introduced a Fundamentalist Christian supervillain named "The Crusader".
*** They know that Thor and Zeus ''exist'', but that doesn't mean they believe they are ''gods''. I expect the average modern citizen in the Marvel or DC universes believes something like "In ancient times, people with superhuman powers were worshipped as gods; but in this modern age, we know they're just superheroes."
****This very explanation is how [[FlatEarthAtheist in-universe atheists]] like Mr. Terrific justify their beliefs.
***Considering AllMythsAreTrue, how could you be expected to choose ''any'' pantheon over another? If you lived in the DCU, and there was evidence for the Greek pantheon, Egyptian pantheon, and Judeo-Christian God, why wouldn't your religious deities be expected to exist as well?

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**Of course, there ''are'' significant differences. * Deities also should make a difference. Marvel has mounds of evidence for the existence of Greek and Norse deities, which ''should'' have more of an effect on religion. DC has more or less equal evidence for Greek, Egyptian, and Judeo-Christian, explaining the lack of departure from said religions there, although not the lack of flocking ''to'' them.
*** ** This varies. Knowledge of the existence of the Norse pantheon in Marvel comics, for example, might be no older than Thor's time as a New York-based superhero. Thanks to ComicBookTime, that's probably only 10 to 15 years. It's plausible that there would be a modern Aesir-worshipping movement after that much time but then again plausible that there wouldn't be, considering how many nigh-godlike beings there are in this world that ''don't'' claim to be gods or care about being worshipped. Some Marvel continuities, in particular the 2099 line, are set further in the future and do indeed worship Thor and show other cultural impacts of twentieth-century "age of heroes".
*** ** At least one story in the Thor comics (right before Walt Simonson's legendary run) involved Thor discovering a cult in Chicago (portrayed as good hearted but misguided) that publically worshipped him - he responded by making a comment to the effect that he no longer desired worshippers. The same storyline introduced a Fundamentalist Christian supervillain named "The Crusader".
*** ** They know that Thor and Zeus ''exist'', but that doesn't mean they believe they are ''gods''. I expect the average modern citizen in the Marvel or DC universes believes something like "In ancient times, people with superhuman powers were worshipped as gods; but in this modern age, we know they're just superheroes."
****This ***This very explanation is how [[FlatEarthAtheist in-universe atheists]] like Mr. Terrific justify their beliefs.
***Considering **Considering AllMythsAreTrue, how could you be expected to choose ''any'' pantheon over another? If you lived in the DCU, and there was evidence for the Greek pantheon, Egyptian pantheon, and Judeo-Christian God, why wouldn't your religious deities be expected to exist as well?
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** By [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture 2025]], though, aliens will have settled on earth and there'll be SpacePolice to deal with alien criminals.

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** By It should be noted, though, that after years of monster attacks the government finally debuted [[PowerRangersLightspeedRescue their own Ranger team]] to deal with paranormal threats in 2000, and by [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture 2025]], though, 2025]] aliens will have settled on earth and there'll be SpacePolice to deal with alien criminals.criminals. There are also hints that morphing technology is out there for those who want it, even if only a very few can get it (a private corporation studied Ranger tech in 2001; the 2008 team was publicly backed by a billionaire with his own company; and the 2009 mentor got morphers "from a guy who knew a guy who had an uncle", which to some suggests a black market).
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** By [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture 2025]], though, aliens will have settled on earth and there'll be SpacePolice to deal with alien criminals.

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