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27th Jun '16 6:33:18 PM ProfessorDetective
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* The former TropeNamer is Inspector Kouichi Zenigata from the ''Franchise/LupinIII'' series. He set the standard for a whole host of wacky detectives following in the example of his relentless pursuit of Lupin. By this point, he's come to admit he wouldn't have any idea what to do with himself if he ''did'' catch Lupin. He's also very much in the "good, just not as good as his quarry" column - he gets closer to catching Lupin than anyone who tries to replace him, he's a one-man police force against any lesser criminal, and can have quite a good time beating up an entire gang of muggers barehanded. It's openly stated that his stellar arrest record (i.e. cleaning up after Lupin) is what lets him stay on the Lupin case.\\\
Zenigata has also actually been able to catch Lupin clean a few times. In the original manga and anime, he caught him with a VERY cleverly laid trap, and kept him behind bars FOR A YEAR. It took Lupin a VERY clever BatmanGambit to escape that time. The bottom line is Zenigata IS capable of catching Lupin from time to time. Lupin STAYING caught? Ah, now ''that's'' the tricky part, ain't it?\\\
He's also let Lupin go more than a few times, too. While Lupin is his archenemy, it's a matter of the two being [[FriendlyEnemy on reasonably good terms with each other]], and he'll stop chasing Lupin if there's a worse villain to be caught, even to the point of ignoring Lupin escaping if the badguy is bad enough (sort of a reward for helping stop him).

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* The former TropeNamer is Inspector Kouichi Zenigata from the ''Franchise/LupinIII'' series. He set the standard for a whole host of wacky detectives following in the example of his relentless pursuit of Lupin. By this point, he's come to admit he wouldn't have any idea what to do with himself if he ''did'' catch Lupin. He's also very much in the "good, just not as good as his quarry" column - he gets closer to catching Lupin than anyone who tries to replace him, he's a one-man police force against any lesser criminal, and can have quite a good time beating up an entire gang of muggers barehanded. It's openly stated that his stellar arrest record (i.e. cleaning up after Lupin) is what lets him stay on the Lupin case.\\\
case.
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Zenigata has also actually been able to catch Lupin clean a few times. In the original manga and anime, he caught him with a VERY cleverly laid trap, and kept him behind bars FOR A YEAR. It took Lupin a VERY clever BatmanGambit to escape that time. The bottom line is Zenigata IS capable of catching Lupin from time to time. Lupin STAYING caught? Ah, now ''that's'' the tricky part, ain't it?\\\
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He's also let Lupin go more than a few times, too. While Lupin is his archenemy, it's a matter of the two being [[FriendlyEnemy on reasonably good terms with each other]], and he'll stop chasing Lupin if there's a worse villain to be caught, even to the point of ignoring Lupin escaping if the badguy is bad enough (sort of a reward for helping stop him).



** Don't forget Inspector Nakamori, who is pretty much exactly [[Franchise/LupinIII Zenigata]]. He's an actual cop in charge of an entire division devoted exclusively to catching Kaitou Kid. He's also totally, unhealthily obsessed and does not even approach being smart enough to beat Kid, instead getting taunted and gently humiliated whenever he faces off against the thief. (Though he ''is'' more competent when not dealing with Kid.) And ironically, Nakamori's daughter [[{{Tsundere}} Aoko]] is the closest to Kaito's [[DatingCatwoman love]] [[VictoriousChildhoodFriend interest]].\\\
The ''Magic Kaito'' manga was arranged with a lot of homages to the original Arsene Lupin, [[GentlemanThief Gentleman Burglar]], so that Nakamori is a clear {{Expy}} of the much-toyed-with Ganimar, and '''H'''akuba '''S'''aguru's original arrival is timed and delivered to be reminiscent of '[[LawyerFriendlyCameo Herlock Sholmes]]' in ''Lupin''. He's even wearing [[SherlockHolmes Holmes]] {{cosplay}}.

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** Don't forget Inspector Nakamori, who is pretty much exactly [[Franchise/LupinIII Zenigata]]. He's an actual cop in charge of an entire division devoted exclusively to catching Kaitou Kid. He's also totally, unhealthily obsessed and does not even approach being smart enough to beat Kid, instead getting taunted and gently humiliated whenever he faces off against the thief. (Though he ''is'' more competent when not dealing with Kid.) And ironically, Nakamori's daughter [[{{Tsundere}} Aoko]] is the closest to Kaito's [[DatingCatwoman love]] [[VictoriousChildhoodFriend interest]].\\\
interest]].
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The ''Magic Kaito'' manga was arranged with a lot of homages to the original Arsene Lupin, [[GentlemanThief Gentleman Burglar]], so that Nakamori is a clear {{Expy}} of the much-toyed-with Ganimar, and '''H'''akuba '''S'''aguru's original arrival is timed and delivered to be reminiscent of '[[LawyerFriendlyCameo Herlock Sholmes]]' in ''Lupin''. He's even wearing [[SherlockHolmes Holmes]] {{cosplay}}.



* Detective Leon Orcott of ''Manga/PetShopOfHorrors''. He finds Count D to be a threat to humanity. Count D finds him to be endearingly/irritatingly thick-headed. Both are correct in their assessment. [[GoKartingWithBowser This doesn't stop either of them from having tea with one another several times a month]].\\\
Leon also finds himself disturbingly attracted to D (disturbingly so because D is male - sort of), just as D finds himself disturbingly drawn to Leon (disturbingly so because Leon is human). Eventually, as Leon really begins to trust D, he lets his little brother live in the titular Petshop because he feels it would be ''the safest environment'' for the kid. ... And he still tries to arrest D occasionally after that.

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* Detective Leon Orcott of ''Manga/PetShopOfHorrors''. He finds Count D to be a threat to humanity. Count D finds him to be endearingly/irritatingly thick-headed. Both are correct in their assessment. [[GoKartingWithBowser This doesn't stop either of them from having tea with one another several times a month]].\\\
month]].
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Leon also finds himself disturbingly attracted to D (disturbingly so because D is male - sort of), just as D finds himself disturbingly drawn to Leon (disturbingly so because Leon is human). Eventually, as Leon really begins to trust D, he lets his little brother live in the titular Petshop Pet Shop because he feels it would be ''the safest environment'' for the kid. ... And he still tries to arrest D occasionally after that.



* Inspector Ginko in the Italian series ''ComicBook/{{Diabolik}}''. He's just as good as his quarry... And, being that good, he has already taken down a few [[TheMafia mob bosses with the entire organization]] and, in collaboration with Diabolik, crippled a terrorist organization. The only reason Diabolik usually wins is that, being a cop, Ginko is more restricted in the actions he can take, while Diabolik and Eva can do whatever they want.\\\
To show how good is Ginko: in the very first story, Ginko succeeded into identifying Diabolik, expose his use of LatexPerfection, and nearly caught him, with Diabolik escaping with the loot only because ''[[TheDeterminator he didn't cry in pain when Ginko shot the scarecrow he was hidden in]]'', making Ginko believe he had already ran away. A flashback in a following story shows that Diabolik had already tried to steal the target of his first story, but Ginko managed to ''arrest him'' (Diabolik evaded only because he was wearing a mask at the moment of capture, and managed to change identity the moment the prison guards looked another way).

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* Inspector Ginko in the Italian series ''ComicBook/{{Diabolik}}''. He's just as good as his quarry... And, being that good, he has already taken down a few [[TheMafia mob bosses with the entire organization]] and, in collaboration with Diabolik, crippled a terrorist organization. The only reason Diabolik usually wins is that, being a cop, Ginko is more restricted in the actions he can take, while Diabolik and Eva can do whatever they want.\\\
want.
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To show how good is Ginko: in the very first story, Ginko succeeded into identifying Diabolik, expose his use of LatexPerfection, and nearly caught him, with Diabolik escaping with the loot only because ''[[TheDeterminator he didn't cry in pain when Ginko shot the scarecrow he was hidden in]]'', making Ginko believe he had already ran away. A flashback in a following story shows that Diabolik had already tried to steal the target of his first story, but Ginko managed to ''arrest him'' (Diabolik evaded only because he was wearing a mask at the moment of capture, and managed to change identity the moment the prison guards looked another way).



* In ''Comicbook/TheIncredibleHulk'' comic books, [[GeniusBruiser Doc Samson]] kept trying to stop the Hulk when he was savage or grey. He ought to be good at it, since he's almost as strong as the Hulk, but as the grey Hulk put it: "You know what [being almost as strong as me] means? NOTHING!"\\\
Doc Samson's origin story pointed out that he got his powers by draining them from the Hulk, but that the Hulk was (relatively) calm at the time ... and Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier. Of course, since the Hulk's baseline is still pretty darn strong, Samson is no slouch against most opponents.

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* In ''Comicbook/TheIncredibleHulk'' comic books, [[GeniusBruiser Doc Samson]] kept trying to stop the Hulk when he was savage or grey. He ought to be good at it, since he's almost as strong as the Hulk, but as the grey Hulk put it: "You know what [being almost as strong as me] means? NOTHING!"\\\
NOTHING!"
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Doc Samson's origin story pointed out that he got his powers by draining them from the Hulk, but that the Hulk was (relatively) calm at the time ... and Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier. Of course, since the Hulk's baseline is still pretty darn strong, Samson is no slouch against most opponents.
27th Jun '16 6:23:24 PM ProfessorDetective
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* ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanTheCurseOfTheBlackPearl'': Norrington is pursuing Jack out of duty and orders. Jack is, after all a pirate, and piracy was a huge threat to settlements.\\\
Several of the deleted scenes feature PetTheDog moments for Norrington. Notably, he tells Governor Swann that whatever his personal feelings towards Will, he's duty-bound to try and rescue him from Barbossa. He also has a moving heart-to-heart talk with Elizabeth after she "accepts" his proposal. Even Jack admits that he respects Norrington as "a man who knows what he's after."

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* ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanTheCurseOfTheBlackPearl'': Norrington is pursuing Jack out of duty and orders. Jack is, after all a pirate, and piracy was a huge threat to settlements.\\\
settlements.
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Several of the deleted scenes feature PetTheDog moments for Norrington. Notably, he tells Governor Swann that whatever his personal feelings towards Will, he's duty-bound to try and rescue him from Barbossa. He also has a moving heart-to-heart talk with Elizabeth after she "accepts" his proposal. Even Jack admits that he respects Norrington as "a man who knows what he's after."



* Jim Sterling on ''Series/{{Leverage}}'', except he '''never''' looks foolish and the protagonists never manage to humiliate him, even when they get away, [[MagnificentBastard because he always manages somehow to get promoted after every encounter with them.]]\\\
Sterling is also an interesting example because he doesn't actually care all that much about capturing Team Leverage unless it somehow serves his own purposes and ambitions. Most of the time, he just leaves them alone.

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* Jim Sterling on ''Series/{{Leverage}}'', except he '''never''' looks foolish and the protagonists never manage to humiliate him, even when they get away, [[MagnificentBastard because he always manages somehow to get promoted after every encounter with them.]]\\\
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Sterling is also an interesting example because he doesn't actually care all that much about capturing Team Leverage unless it somehow serves his own purposes and ambitions. Most of the time, he just leaves them alone.
24th Jun '16 3:23:12 AM Morgenthaler
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%%* Ganimard from ''NightHood''.

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%%* Ganimard from ''NightHood''.''WesternAnimation/NightHood''.



%%* [[FatBastard Rancid]] [[FatIdiot Rabbit]] from CatDog.

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%%* [[FatBastard Rancid]] [[FatIdiot Rabbit]] from CatDog.WesternAnimation/CatDog.



%%* Mr. Wilter and Principal Stringet from ''ChalkZone''.
%%* Ranger Stu from ''SquirrelBoy''.
%%* The Angry Cop from ''TheGoodeFamily'' episode "Gerald's Way or The Highway".

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%%* Mr. Wilter and Principal Stringet from ''ChalkZone''.
''WesternAnimation/ChalkZone''.
%%* Ranger Stu from ''SquirrelBoy''.
''WesternAnimation/SquirrelBoy''.
%%* The Angry Cop from ''TheGoodeFamily'' ''WesternAnimation/TheGoodeFamily'' episode "Gerald's Way or The Highway".
6th May '16 1:15:44 AM ProfessorDetective
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* Porfiry Petrovich from ''Literature/CrimeAndPunishment'' is probably this; subverted in that he [[ItWasHisSled succeeds]], [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin hence the second part of the title]]. What's so impressive about Porfiry is that the protagonist, while guilty, just manages through a combination of luck and XanatosSpeedChess to make it so that there is very little evidence against him; the only way he could be convicted is if he confesses. Porfiry, knowing that the protagonist is guilty but not possessing enough evidence to convict, ''[[CrowningMomentOfAwesome manages to hound and mess with him enough to convince him to confess.]]''\\\
Interestingly, even while he was messing with the protagonist with such ideas as reduction of sentence and suicide, he seemed genuinely concerned for the protagonist's moral welfare. (Only after, however, he is utterly certain that the protagonist will confess. Knowing he's caught the right guy and clinched the case, he takes some time out to feel sorry for him.)

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* Porfiry Petrovich from ''Literature/CrimeAndPunishment'' is probably this; subverted in that he [[ItWasHisSled succeeds]], [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin hence the second part of the title]]. What's so impressive about Porfiry is that the protagonist, while guilty, just manages through a combination of luck and XanatosSpeedChess to make it so that there is very little evidence against him; the only way he could be convicted is if he confesses. Porfiry, knowing that the protagonist is guilty but not possessing enough evidence to convict, ''[[CrowningMomentOfAwesome manages to hound and mess with him enough to convince him to confess.]]''\\\
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Interestingly, even while he was messing with the protagonist with such ideas as reduction of sentence and suicide, he seemed genuinely concerned for the protagonist's moral welfare. (Only after, however, he is utterly certain that the protagonist will confess. Knowing he's caught the right guy and clinched the case, he takes some time out to feel sorry for him.)
6th May '16 1:13:11 AM ProfessorDetective
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* Spectre Jondum Bau from ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' is a downplayed example. He's not against Shepard, but he is trying to hunt down one of Shepard's friends, Kasumi Goto, ClassyCatBurglar extraordinaire. Both Bau and Kasumi have great respect for each other. He does however look the other way after realising Shepard has been secretly aiding and abetting Kasumi the entire time. It helps that Kasumi [[NeverFoundTheBody apparently]] died trying to save the hanar homeworld. That plus Shepard's trust in her would be a potent argument in favor of "cleared of all charges." And no, this is not a spoiler, Shepard guesses she's still alive if she's loyal.\\
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This seems to be typical of Spectres in general though they're in danger of JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope when they do, because Spectres are given broad authority to violate lesser regulations in service of the greater good of the Council, which allows them to work with mercs, thieves, and assassins. A Spectre in the second game works with the Shadow Broker because of the useful intel she gets. Shepard himself is willing to work with Cerberus in the second game.

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* Spectre Jondum Bau from ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' is a downplayed example. He's not against Shepard, but he is trying to hunt down one of Shepard's friends, Kasumi Goto, ClassyCatBurglar extraordinaire. Both Bau and Kasumi have great respect for each other. He does however look the other way after realising Shepard has been secretly aiding and abetting Kasumi the entire time. It helps that Kasumi [[NeverFoundTheBody apparently]] died trying to save the hanar homeworld. That plus Shepard's trust in her would be a potent argument in favor of "cleared of all charges." And no, this is not a spoiler, Shepard guesses she's still alive if she's loyal.\\
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loyal.
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This seems to be typical of Spectres in general though they're in danger of JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope when they do, because Spectres are given broad authority to violate lesser regulations in service of the greater good of the Council, which allows them to work with mercs, thieves, and assassins. A Spectre in the second game works with the Shadow Broker because of the useful intel she gets. Shepard himself is willing to work with Cerberus in the second game.
6th May '16 1:11:58 AM ProfessorDetective
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* Carmelita Fox from the ''Franchise/SlyCooper'' video game series. She's one of the most respected cops in the world, perhaps thanks to Sly's MO of only stealing from other criminals: even though she usually fails to catch Sly, she can always bring in his victim. Sly also tends to flirt with her whenever they clash, which eventually evolves into DatingCatwoman.\\\
Carmelita is unique among Sympathetic Inspector Antagonists in that [[spoiler: at the end of ''VideoGame/Sly3HonorAmongThieves'', she DOES capture Sly...in a manner of speaking. The two of them end up romantically involved and Sly quits the thief business so they can be together. Of course, he does this by faking amnesia, so it's hard to say who really ends up on top here.]] As of Sly 4, [[spoiler: after figuring out that Sly was faking amnesia and getting mixed up in the Cooper Gang's latest mission, she finally has the epiphany that she and Sly aren't so different. They both stop real crooks, just from different sides of the law. The ending implies that she's now on relatively good terms with the gang.]]

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* Carmelita Fox from the ''Franchise/SlyCooper'' video game series. She's one of the most respected cops in the world, perhaps thanks to Sly's MO of only stealing from other criminals: even though she usually fails to catch Sly, she can always bring in his victim. Sly also tends to flirt with her whenever they clash, which eventually evolves into DatingCatwoman.\\\
DatingCatwoman.
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Carmelita is unique among Sympathetic Inspector Antagonists in that [[spoiler: at the end of ''VideoGame/Sly3HonorAmongThieves'', she DOES capture Sly...in a manner of speaking. The two of them end up romantically involved and Sly quits the thief business so they can be together. Of course, he does this by faking amnesia, so it's hard to say who really ends up on top here.]] As of Sly 4, [[spoiler: after figuring out that Sly was faking amnesia and getting mixed up in the Cooper Gang's latest mission, she finally has the epiphany that she and Sly aren't so different. They both stop real crooks, just from different sides of the law. The ending implies that she's now on relatively good terms with the gang.]]
6th May '16 1:10:45 AM ProfessorDetective
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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'', Hieronymus Lex - one of the Imperial City's Watch Captains - is the Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist to the Gray Fox, leader of the Thieves' Guild in Cyrodiil. In fact, he is one of the only members of the Imperial Watch who even believes the Thieves' Guild exists, and has dedicated himself to becoming a perpetual, overzealous thorn in its side. [[spoiler:He mellows considerably after you inform him that he's been reassigned to the city of Anvil... although not without a brief rant about how the Gray Fox must have been behind that, too.]] [[spoiler:He's right.]] Although for fun, [[spoiler: once you get the Gray Fox cowl, you can put it on in front of him and have him sputter in disbelief at finally catching him]].\\\
So many layers of irony were in that 'reassignment'. [[spoiler:On one hand, Lex is now unwittingly working for the Gray Fox. On the other hand, it was the Gray Fox who, after so many years of cat-n-mouse evasion between them, hand-picked him to be the new captain of the Anvil city guard. This actually reveals a huge respect for the man.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'', Hieronymus Lex - one of the Imperial City's Watch Captains - is the Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist to the Gray Fox, leader of the Thieves' Guild in Cyrodiil. In fact, he is one of the only members of the Imperial Watch who even believes the Thieves' Guild exists, and has dedicated himself to becoming a perpetual, overzealous thorn in its side. [[spoiler:He mellows considerably after you inform him that he's been reassigned to the city of Anvil... although not without a brief rant about how the Gray Fox must have been behind that, too.]] [[spoiler:He's right.]] Although for fun, [[spoiler: once you get the Gray Fox cowl, you can put it on in front of him and have him sputter in disbelief at finally catching him]].\\\
him]].
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So many layers of irony were in that 'reassignment'. [[spoiler:On one hand, Lex is now unwittingly working for the Gray Fox. On the other hand, it was the Gray Fox who, after so many years of cat-n-mouse evasion between them, hand-picked him to be the new captain of the Anvil city guard. This actually reveals a huge respect for the man.]]
31st Jan '16 9:18:01 AM Fanfictionlurker1
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* L from ''Manga/DeathNote'' would qualify as a more serious and less hands on example. As the worlds greatest detective, he early on (correctly) fingers out the main protagonist as the most likely candidate to be the notorious serial killer known as "Kira" and continues to pursue his hunch for the rest of the series, even when circumstances (orchestrated by Light of course) seem to disprove this. [[spoiler: It's also a rare example where the Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist's opponent ends up losing because of his hard work, albeit through his successor]]

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* L from ''Manga/DeathNote'' would qualify as a more serious and less hands on example. As the worlds greatest detective, he early on (correctly) fingers out the main protagonist as the most likely candidate to be the notorious serial killer known as "Kira" and continues to pursue his hunch for the rest of the series, even when circumstances (orchestrated by Light of course) seem to disprove this. [[spoiler: It's also a rare example where the Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist's opponent ends up losing because of his hard work, albeit through his successor]]
26th Jan '16 5:01:26 AM Adept
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* ''KaitouSaintTail'' has the AmateurSleuth Asuka Jr constantly trying to foil Saint Tail. Of course, complications arise from Meimi's on-off crush on him outside her alter-ego, eventually leading into DatingCatwoman.

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* ''KaitouSaintTail'' ''Manga/KaitouSaintTail'' has the AmateurSleuth Asuka Jr constantly trying to foil Saint Tail. Of course, complications arise from Meimi's on-off crush on him outside her alter-ego, eventually leading into DatingCatwoman.
13th Jan '16 2:43:08 PM DaibhidC
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* Most of the police officers who pursue ''Literature/TheSaint'' fall into this category, especially Chief Inspector Claud Eustace Teal of Scotland yard and Inspector John Henry Fernack of the NYPD. Teal is portrayed as an excellent detective, just not quite as good as the Saint, and Templar regards him as a WorthyOpponent and often has EnemyMine situations where he helps Teal catch lesser crooks. (Teal is grateful for this, but never lets it stop his dogged pursuit of the Saint.) Teal was so important to Simon Templar's early adventures that two collections were named after him. He also saved the Saint's life at least once.

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* Most of the police officers who pursue ''Literature/TheSaint'' fall into this category, especially Chief Inspector Claud Eustace Teal of Scotland yard and Inspector John Henry Fernack of the NYPD. Teal is portrayed as an excellent detective, just not quite as good as the Saint, and Templar regards him as a WorthyOpponent and often has EnemyMine situations where he helps Teal catch lesser crooks. (Teal is grateful for this, to an extent, but never lets it stop his dogged pursuit of the Saint.) Teal was so important to Simon Templar's early adventures that two collections were named after him. He also saved the Saint's life at least once.
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