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1st Apr '17 9:36:01 AM nombretomado
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* Kyoya from ''OuranHighSchoolHostClub'' averts this to a degree; his actions are based purely upon what he can gain, and he acts exactly as a truly logical person would. In one manga chapter, Haruhi hypothesizes that emotional gains might be part of these. Kyoya is intrigued.

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* Kyoya from ''OuranHighSchoolHostClub'' ''Manga/OuranHighSchoolHostClub'' averts this to a degree; his actions are based purely upon what he can gain, and he acts exactly as a truly logical person would. In one manga chapter, Haruhi hypothesizes that emotional gains might be part of these. Kyoya is intrigued.
21st Feb '17 8:30:30 AM infernape612
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* The Straw Vulcan will proceed to disturb everyone with doomsaying that their current plan "only has a 10% chance for us to succeed", and then the emotional protagonist proceeds to disprove him by saying "NeverTellMeTheOdds" and succeeding. Actually, when all other options are depleted, the plan that has a 10% chance of success is logically superior to other courses of action that have less chance of success. (And presumably doing nothing means a 0% chance) Bothering people with remarks about low chances of success in critical situations may degrade their morale and thus further diminish said chances, so it doesn't make logical sense to quote poor odds unless there's a better option that can be taken.[[note]]Or the "logical" character forgot to factor the other characters' personalities into the equation, so telling the others it's unlikely to work actually [[InspirationalInsult makes it MORE likely they'll try harder than usual and therefore succeed]], just to prove the "logical" character wrong.[[/note]] Pessimism for pessimism's sake in a time of need simply isn't logical, no need to be the sensitive guy of the cast to figure ''that'' out.

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* The Straw Vulcan will proceed to disturb everyone with doomsaying that their current plan "only has a 10% chance for us to succeed", and then the emotional protagonist proceeds to disprove him by saying "NeverTellMeTheOdds" and succeeding. Actually, when all other options are depleted, the plan that has a 10% chance of success is logically superior to other courses of action that have less chance of success. (And presumably doing nothing means a 0% chance) chance.) Bothering people with remarks about low chances of success in critical situations may degrade their morale and thus further diminish said chances, so it doesn't make logical sense to quote poor odds unless there's a better option that can be taken.[[note]]Or the "logical" character forgot to factor the other characters' personalities into the equation, so telling the others it's unlikely to work actually [[InspirationalInsult makes it MORE likely they'll try harder than usual and therefore succeed]], just to prove the "logical" character wrong.[[/note]] Pessimism for pessimism's sake in a time of need simply isn't logical, no need to be the sensitive guy of the cast to figure ''that'' out.
19th Jan '17 4:49:47 PM Xtifr
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* In the GratefulDead song ''Terrapin Station'', a potential love interest [[SecretTestOfCharacter tests]] the [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan worthiness]] of the heros, a [[TheSpock soldier]] and a [[TheMcCoy sailor]], by [[MoralDissonance throwing her fan into the lion's den]] and promising her love to whoever would retrieve it for her. The sailor [[MadLove decides to]], while the soldier refuses, and says "Strategy is my strength, not disaster." The sailor [[MillionToOneChance succeeds, and gets the girl, rather than getting his ass handed to him by the lions]].

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* In the GratefulDead Music/TheGratefulDead song ''Terrapin Station'', "Terrapin Station", a potential love interest [[SecretTestOfCharacter tests]] the [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan worthiness]] of the heros, a [[TheSpock soldier]] and a [[TheMcCoy sailor]], by [[MoralDissonance throwing her fan into the lion's den]] and promising her love to whoever would retrieve it for her. The sailor [[MadLove decides to]], while the soldier refuses, and says "Strategy is my strength, not disaster." The sailor [[MillionToOneChance succeeds, and gets the girl, rather than getting his ass handed to him by the lions]].
6th Jan '17 11:42:53 PM wholockiantrekkie
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14th Dec '16 11:53:21 AM Connacht
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* The Straw Vulcan [[AgentScully cannot believe in the paranormal]]. Logical enough in RealLife, where the existence of such forces are debated, but this can lead to such characters coming off as being [[FlatEarthAtheist blind or in denial]] if they live in a universe where such things are shown to be real.

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* The Straw Vulcan [[AgentScully cannot believe in the paranormal]]. Logical enough in RealLife, where the existence of such forces are debated, is debated and unproven scientifically (often becoming quackery), but this can lead to such characters coming off as being [[FlatEarthAtheist blind or in denial]] if they live in a universe where such things are shown to be real. Such portrait of blindness then might delegitimate skepticism in general towards paranormal, for association of ideas.
1st Nov '16 5:00:53 PM N1KF
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See DumbIsGood, YouFailLogicForever, GivingUpOnLogic, SimplemindedWisdom, [[DontThinkFeel Don't Think, Feel,]] and MeasuringTheMarigolds. Compare StrawHypocrite. The existence of this character means that the writer falls on the Romanticist side of RomanticismVersusEnlightenment.Contrast to EmotionsVsStoicism. {{Opposite trope|s}} to StrawmanEmotional.

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See DumbIsGood, YouFailLogicForever, GivingUpOnLogic, SimplemindedWisdom, [[DontThinkFeel Don't Think, Feel,]] DontThinkFeel, and MeasuringTheMarigolds. Compare StrawHypocrite. The existence of this character means that the writer falls on the Romanticist side of RomanticismVersusEnlightenment. Contrast to EmotionsVsStoicism. {{Opposite trope|s}} to StrawmanEmotional.



* The Incubators in ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' regard human emotion as nothing more than an energy source, and often fail to understand why Madoka and the rest of the cast get sad or angry at how the Incubators are using mankind. The entire conflict is due to Incubators believing the energy release gained from a magical girl turning into a witch is far more valuable to a greater amount of people than one person's happiness, and go so far as to compare Incubators use of humans to how humans raise cows for milk and beef. They believe there's a fair trade in the wishes and technology the Incubators have provided humans for their actions, and refute any claims they've lied or tricked the rest of the characters, since the Incubators never directly lied and only omitted details about the contract the magical girls make.

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* The Incubators [[spoiler:The Incubators]] in ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' regard human emotion as nothing more than an [[spoiler:an energy source, source]], and often fail to understand why Madoka and the rest of the cast get sad or angry at how the [[spoiler:the Incubators are using mankind. mankind]]. The entire conflict is due to Incubators [[spoiler:Incubators believing the energy release gained from a magical girl turning into a witch is far more valuable to a greater amount of people than one person's happiness, and go so far as to compare Incubators use of humans to how humans raise cows for milk and beef. They believe there's a fair trade in the wishes and technology the Incubators have provided humans for their actions, and refute any claims they've lied or tricked the rest of the characters, since the Incubators never directly lied and only omitted details about the contract the magical girls make.]]
16th Oct '16 1:39:39 AM AnotherDuck
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* ''VideoGame/TheTuringTest'': Tom firmly adheres to the view that impulses must be suppressed because they lead to wrong decisions.
-->'''Tom:''' You can always trust a machine to be logical. I will always do the right thing. \\
'''Ava:''' You will always do the logical thing.
23rd Sep '16 4:20:54 AM morenohijazo
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* ''VideoGame/TheTuringTest'': Tom firmly adheres to the view that impulses must be suppressed because they lead to wrong decisions.
-->'''Tom:''' You can always trust a machine to be logical. I will always do the right thing. \\
'''Ava:''' You will always do the logical thing.
14th Aug '16 9:57:07 AM nombretomado
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* DissidiaFinalFantasy: [[spoiler:Onion Knight]] gets this, spelled out in that story's ending narration: [[spoiler:"He thought that avoiding mistakes and making decisions based on logic - instead of emotion - was the only way to reach the truth. But the boy has learned ... that he can tap into immeasurable strength when he searches deep inside his heart."]]

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* DissidiaFinalFantasy: ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'': [[spoiler:Onion Knight]] gets this, spelled out in that story's ending narration: [[spoiler:"He thought that avoiding mistakes and making decisions based on logic - instead of emotion - was the only way to reach the truth. But the boy has learned ... that he can tap into immeasurable strength when he searches deep inside his heart."]]
8th Aug '16 12:17:47 AM shotoku
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* The Incubators in ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' regard human emotion as nothing more than an energy source, and often fail to understand why Madoka and the rest of the cast get sad or angry at how the Incubators are using mankind. The entire conflict is due to Incubators believing the energy release gained from a magical girl turning into a witch is far more valuable to a greater amount of people than one person's happiness, and go so far as to compare Incubators use of humans to how humans raise cows for milk and beef. They believe there's a fair trade in the wishes and technology the Incubators have provided humans for their actions, and refute any claims they've lied or tricked the rest of the characters, since the Incubators never directly lied and only omitted details about the contract the magical girls make.
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