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21st Feb '17 8:30:30 AM infernape612
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* The Straw Vulcan will proceed to disturb everyone with doomsaying that their current plan "only has a 10% chance for us to succeed", and then the emotional protagonist proceeds to disprove him by saying "NeverTellMeTheOdds" and succeeding. Actually, when all other options are depleted, the plan that has a 10% chance of success is logically superior to other courses of action that have less chance of success. (And presumably doing nothing means a 0% chance) Bothering people with remarks about low chances of success in critical situations may degrade their morale and thus further diminish said chances, so it doesn't make logical sense to quote poor odds unless there's a better option that can be taken.[[note]]Or the "logical" character forgot to factor the other characters' personalities into the equation, so telling the others it's unlikely to work actually [[InspirationalInsult makes it MORE likely they'll try harder than usual and therefore succeed]], just to prove the "logical" character wrong.[[/note]] Pessimism for pessimism's sake in a time of need simply isn't logical, no need to be the sensitive guy of the cast to figure ''that'' out.

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* The Straw Vulcan will proceed to disturb everyone with doomsaying that their current plan "only has a 10% chance for us to succeed", and then the emotional protagonist proceeds to disprove him by saying "NeverTellMeTheOdds" and succeeding. Actually, when all other options are depleted, the plan that has a 10% chance of success is logically superior to other courses of action that have less chance of success. (And presumably doing nothing means a 0% chance) chance.) Bothering people with remarks about low chances of success in critical situations may degrade their morale and thus further diminish said chances, so it doesn't make logical sense to quote poor odds unless there's a better option that can be taken.[[note]]Or the "logical" character forgot to factor the other characters' personalities into the equation, so telling the others it's unlikely to work actually [[InspirationalInsult makes it MORE likely they'll try harder than usual and therefore succeed]], just to prove the "logical" character wrong.[[/note]] Pessimism for pessimism's sake in a time of need simply isn't logical, no need to be the sensitive guy of the cast to figure ''that'' out.
19th Jan '17 4:49:47 PM Xtifr
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* In the GratefulDead song ''Terrapin Station'', a potential love interest [[SecretTestOfCharacter tests]] the [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan worthiness]] of the heros, a [[TheSpock soldier]] and a [[TheMcCoy sailor]], by [[MoralDissonance throwing her fan into the lion's den]] and promising her love to whoever would retrieve it for her. The sailor [[MadLove decides to]], while the soldier refuses, and says "Strategy is my strength, not disaster." The sailor [[MillionToOneChance succeeds, and gets the girl, rather than getting his ass handed to him by the lions]].

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* In the GratefulDead Music/TheGratefulDead song ''Terrapin Station'', "Terrapin Station", a potential love interest [[SecretTestOfCharacter tests]] the [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan worthiness]] of the heros, a [[TheSpock soldier]] and a [[TheMcCoy sailor]], by [[MoralDissonance throwing her fan into the lion's den]] and promising her love to whoever would retrieve it for her. The sailor [[MadLove decides to]], while the soldier refuses, and says "Strategy is my strength, not disaster." The sailor [[MillionToOneChance succeeds, and gets the girl, rather than getting his ass handed to him by the lions]].
6th Jan '17 11:42:53 PM wholockiantrekkie
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14th Dec '16 11:53:21 AM Connacht
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* The Straw Vulcan [[AgentScully cannot believe in the paranormal]]. Logical enough in RealLife, where the existence of such forces are debated, but this can lead to such characters coming off as being [[FlatEarthAtheist blind or in denial]] if they live in a universe where such things are shown to be real.

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* The Straw Vulcan [[AgentScully cannot believe in the paranormal]]. Logical enough in RealLife, where the existence of such forces are debated, is debated and unproven scientifically (often becoming quackery), but this can lead to such characters coming off as being [[FlatEarthAtheist blind or in denial]] if they live in a universe where such things are shown to be real. Such portrait of blindness then might delegitimate skepticism in general towards paranormal, for association of ideas.
1st Nov '16 5:00:53 PM N1KF
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See DumbIsGood, YouFailLogicForever, GivingUpOnLogic, SimplemindedWisdom, [[DontThinkFeel Don't Think, Feel,]] and MeasuringTheMarigolds. Compare StrawHypocrite. The existence of this character means that the writer falls on the Romanticist side of RomanticismVersusEnlightenment.Contrast to EmotionsVsStoicism. {{Opposite trope|s}} to StrawmanEmotional.

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See DumbIsGood, YouFailLogicForever, GivingUpOnLogic, SimplemindedWisdom, [[DontThinkFeel Don't Think, Feel,]] DontThinkFeel, and MeasuringTheMarigolds. Compare StrawHypocrite. The existence of this character means that the writer falls on the Romanticist side of RomanticismVersusEnlightenment. Contrast to EmotionsVsStoicism. {{Opposite trope|s}} to StrawmanEmotional.



* The Incubators in ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' regard human emotion as nothing more than an energy source, and often fail to understand why Madoka and the rest of the cast get sad or angry at how the Incubators are using mankind. The entire conflict is due to Incubators believing the energy release gained from a magical girl turning into a witch is far more valuable to a greater amount of people than one person's happiness, and go so far as to compare Incubators use of humans to how humans raise cows for milk and beef. They believe there's a fair trade in the wishes and technology the Incubators have provided humans for their actions, and refute any claims they've lied or tricked the rest of the characters, since the Incubators never directly lied and only omitted details about the contract the magical girls make.

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* The Incubators [[spoiler:The Incubators]] in ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' regard human emotion as nothing more than an [[spoiler:an energy source, source]], and often fail to understand why Madoka and the rest of the cast get sad or angry at how the [[spoiler:the Incubators are using mankind. mankind]]. The entire conflict is due to Incubators [[spoiler:Incubators believing the energy release gained from a magical girl turning into a witch is far more valuable to a greater amount of people than one person's happiness, and go so far as to compare Incubators use of humans to how humans raise cows for milk and beef. They believe there's a fair trade in the wishes and technology the Incubators have provided humans for their actions, and refute any claims they've lied or tricked the rest of the characters, since the Incubators never directly lied and only omitted details about the contract the magical girls make.]]
16th Oct '16 1:39:39 AM AnotherDuck
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* ''VideoGame/TheTuringTest'': Tom firmly adheres to the view that impulses must be suppressed because they lead to wrong decisions.
-->'''Tom:''' You can always trust a machine to be logical. I will always do the right thing. \\
'''Ava:''' You will always do the logical thing.
23rd Sep '16 4:20:54 AM morenohijazo
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* ''VideoGame/TheTuringTest'': Tom firmly adheres to the view that impulses must be suppressed because they lead to wrong decisions.
-->'''Tom:''' You can always trust a machine to be logical. I will always do the right thing. \\
'''Ava:''' You will always do the logical thing.
14th Aug '16 9:57:07 AM nombretomado
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* DissidiaFinalFantasy: [[spoiler:Onion Knight]] gets this, spelled out in that story's ending narration: [[spoiler:"He thought that avoiding mistakes and making decisions based on logic - instead of emotion - was the only way to reach the truth. But the boy has learned ... that he can tap into immeasurable strength when he searches deep inside his heart."]]

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* DissidiaFinalFantasy: ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'': [[spoiler:Onion Knight]] gets this, spelled out in that story's ending narration: [[spoiler:"He thought that avoiding mistakes and making decisions based on logic - instead of emotion - was the only way to reach the truth. But the boy has learned ... that he can tap into immeasurable strength when he searches deep inside his heart."]]
8th Aug '16 12:17:47 AM shotoku
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* The Incubators in ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' regard human emotion as nothing more than an energy source, and often fail to understand why Madoka and the rest of the cast get sad or angry at how the Incubators are using mankind. The entire conflict is due to Incubators believing the energy release gained from a magical girl turning into a witch is far more valuable to a greater amount of people than one person's happiness, and go so far as to compare Incubators use of humans to how humans raise cows for milk and beef. They believe there's a fair trade in the wishes and technology the Incubators have provided humans for their actions, and refute any claims they've lied or tricked the rest of the characters, since the Incubators never directly lied and only omitted details about the contract the magical girls make.
29th Jul '16 1:52:44 PM morenohijazo
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* ''ComicBook/TomStrong'': Averted by Quetzalcoatl-9, a supercomputer created by parallel-universe Aztecs. He states straight-up that he is trusting Tom because it's the logical thing to do; they're in a textbook Prisoner's Dilemma, and trust, on average, yields slightly better results.

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* ''ComicBook/TomStrong'': Averted by Quetzalcoatl-9, a supercomputer created by parallel-universe Aztecs. He states straight-up that he is trusting Tom because it's the logical thing to do; they're in a textbook Prisoner's Dilemma, PrisonersDilemma, and trust, on average, yields slightly better results.



* Played truly bizarrely in one route of ''Zero Escape VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward'', where Phi, in discussing the Prisoner's Dilemma and Ambidex Game, continually refers to "Betray" as the "logical" and "rational" decision... despite going in depth on how it's sub-optimal for both the group and the individual, meaning that it's ''illogical'' and ''irrational'' by real-world rather than Straw Vulcan definitions of logic, unless for some reason you were applying logic with the goal of "Make the least advantageous decision."

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* Played truly bizarrely in one route of ''Zero Escape VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward'', where Phi, in discussing the Prisoner's Dilemma PrisonersDilemma and Ambidex Game, continually refers to "Betray" as the "logical" and "rational" decision... despite going in depth on how it's sub-optimal for both the group and the individual, meaning that it's ''illogical'' and ''irrational'' by real-world rather than Straw Vulcan definitions of logic, unless for some reason you were applying logic with the goal of "Make the least advantageous decision."



* Morrigan from VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins has this role in your party. The most striking example being her objection to help out with the situation in Redcliffe, because it presents a huge delay in your quest to stop the Darkspawn, despite the fact that helping them would get the Grey Wardens some crucial allies for their fight against the Darkspawn. [[spoiler: It turns out later that she was deliberately conditioned to not want to help people while growing up, and her arguments are rationalizations.]]

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* Morrigan from VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' has this role in your party. The most striking example being her objection to help out with the situation in Redcliffe, because it presents a huge delay in your quest to stop the Darkspawn, despite the fact that helping them would get the Grey Wardens some crucial allies for their fight against the Darkspawn. [[spoiler: It turns out later that she was deliberately conditioned to not want to help people while growing up, and her arguments are rationalizations.]]
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