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20th Nov '17 1:18:22 AM LinAGKar
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* The Straw Vulcan is an intellectual ArrogantKungFuGuy. If, for example, his calculations showcase that there is a 98.99% chance of success in a plan and another scientist proves that there is a 100% chance of success in the same plan (and they both reach the same conclusions using the same data and using the same calculation methods, but the Straw Vulcan is not discovered until later that he forgot to CarryTheOne), the Straw Vulcan will simply clamp down on that 2.1% chance of failure as an ''absolute'' probability of failure and drag his feet into helping as a result (at best) rather than admit the infinitesimally small chance that he's wrong .

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* The Straw Vulcan is an intellectual ArrogantKungFuGuy. If, for example, his calculations showcase that there is a 98.99% chance of success in a plan and another scientist proves that there is a 100% chance of success in the same plan (and they both reach the same conclusions using the same data and using the same calculation methods, but the Straw Vulcan is not discovered until later that he forgot to CarryTheOne), the Straw Vulcan will simply clamp down on that 2.1% 1.01% chance of failure as an ''absolute'' probability of failure and drag his feet into helping as a result (at best) rather than admit the infinitesimally small chance that he's wrong .
13th Nov '17 11:09:49 AM rjd1922
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* Sokka of WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender is often put in this position when the Gaang is trying to help people. However, it's subverted in "The Fortuneteller", where they have to convince the people that the [[spoiler:volcano will erupt]]. Although a lot of times Sokka will act on instinct and emotion, oftentimes, he is actually very practical and logical in the non-straw sense. Over the course of the series though, he grows out of it. By the time of ''Legend Of Korra,'' when Sokka is a judge, his response to [[spoiler: a crime-boss being accused of blood-bending without a full moon,]] is more or less, "Yes, it's supposed to be impossible, but I've seen a lot of weird, seemingly-impossible crap in my life, and a ''lot'' of victims have come forth, so let's discuss it."

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* Sokka of WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' is often put in this position when the Gaang is trying to help people. However, it's subverted in "The Fortuneteller", where they have to convince the people that the [[spoiler:volcano will erupt]]. Although a lot of times Sokka will act on instinct and emotion, oftentimes, he is actually very practical and logical in the non-straw sense. Over the course of the series though, he grows out of it. By the time of ''Legend Of Korra,'' when Sokka is a judge, his response to [[spoiler: a crime-boss being accused of blood-bending without a full moon,]] is more or less, "Yes, it's supposed to be impossible, but I've seen a lot of weird, seemingly-impossible crap in my life, and a ''lot'' of victims have come forth, so let's discuss it."



* The original Prowl from {{Transformers}} was described as being logical to the point of shutting down when faced with an unexpectedly crazy situation. In the cartoon, this wasn't really touched on and he was portrayed more as a just-the-facts-ma'am style military policeman.

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* The original Prowl from {{Transformers}} ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' was described as being logical to the point of shutting down when faced with an unexpectedly crazy situation. In the cartoon, this wasn't really touched on and he was portrayed more as a just-the-facts-ma'am style military policeman.
29th Sep '17 9:44:01 AM ChaoticNovelist
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This is, of course, a BrokenAesop. Fiction often [[LogicalFallacies gets the concept of logic wrong]] in a number of ways.

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This is, of course, a BrokenAesop. Fiction often [[LogicalFallacies gets the concept of logic wrong]] in a number of ways.
25th Aug '17 6:53:06 PM TightfistedKouprey
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This is when a [[TheWarOnStraw straw man]] is used to show that emotion is better than logic.

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This A Straw Vulcan is when a [[TheWarOnStraw straw man]] that is used to show that emotion is better than logic.
25th Aug '17 6:51:59 PM TightfistedKouprey
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A [[TheWarOnStraw straw man]] used to show that emotion is better than logic.

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A This is when a [[TheWarOnStraw straw man]] is used to show that emotion is better than logic.
19th Jul '17 10:23:29 AM lluewhyn
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***His plan is logical, but is poorly explained. He states "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one". Considering that he was going to die anyway if he *didn't* try his plan, it's absolutely logical for him to do so. Note also that this quote is a basic philosophical tenet of Utilitarianism, and is *not* considered an uncontroversial, absolute truth. Those who follow more Deontological philosophies would heartily disagree.
1st Jul '17 11:28:10 AM CaptEquinox
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*** That said, there was also an episode where the crew met an offshoot culture of Vulcans who ate meat and believed that emotion in moderation was not harmful in the slightest; as long as you had control over your emotions, there was no reason you couldn't allow yourself to feel and express that emotion. They were sort of an exploration of what would happen if you had Vulcans who weren't straw.

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*** That said, there was also an in the episode where "[[Recap/StarTrekEnterpriseS01E17Fusion Fusion]]" the crew met an offshoot culture of Vulcans who ate meat and believed that emotion in moderation was not harmful in the slightest; as long as you had control over your emotions, there was no reason you couldn't allow yourself to feel and express that emotion. They were sort of an exploration of what would happen if you had Vulcans who weren't straw.
22nd Jun '17 11:08:53 PM jormis29
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* A variation of this can happen to Alchemicals in ''{{Exalted}}'' -- as they grow into cities, install Exemplar charms, or go long periods without human interaction, they accumulate Clarity. The sourcebook for Alchemicals goes out of its way to point out that this means they focus on efficiency and do not become needlessly cruel.

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* A variation of this can happen to Alchemicals in ''{{Exalted}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' -- as they grow into cities, install Exemplar charms, or go long periods without human interaction, they accumulate Clarity. The sourcebook for Alchemicals goes out of its way to point out that this means they focus on efficiency and do not become needlessly cruel.
4th Jun '17 1:06:45 PM marcoasalazarm
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* The Straw Vulcan is also [[ScienceIsBad cold-hearted and merciless]]. When they (for whatever reason) calculate that some people have to die (or suffer in another way), they just have to, and there's nothing you can do about it. Enter the [[TheMcCoy emotional man]] to show pity and protect them form the evil intellectual.

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* The Straw Vulcan is also [[ScienceIsBad cold-hearted and merciless]]. When they (for whatever reason) calculate that some people have to die (or suffer in another way), way) because TheNeedsOfTheMany requires it, they just have to, ''have to'', and there's nothing you can do about it.it (and expect them to toss those people to the wolves at the earliest possible time). Enter the [[TheMcCoy emotional man]] to show pity and protect them form the evil intellectual.
* The Straw Vulcan is an intellectual ArrogantKungFuGuy. If, for example, his calculations showcase that there is a 98.99% chance of success in a plan and another scientist proves that there is a 100% chance of success in the same plan (and they both reach the same conclusions using the same data and using the same calculation methods, but the Straw Vulcan is not discovered until later that he forgot to CarryTheOne), the Straw Vulcan will simply clamp down on that 2.1% chance of failure as an ''absolute'' probability of failure and drag his feet into helping as a result (at best) rather than admit the infinitesimally small chance that he's wrong .
4th Jun '17 12:37:00 PM nombretomado
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* ''Webcomic/{{Shortpacked}}'' parodies an instance of this from ''Film/GIJoeTheRiseOfCobra'' in [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=980 this strip]]. Willis labeled the strip "Is this something already covered by TVTropes? I haven't checked yet." in his update blog.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Shortpacked}}'' parodies an instance of this from ''Film/GIJoeTheRiseOfCobra'' in [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=980 this strip]]. Willis labeled the strip "Is this something already covered by TVTropes? Wiki/TVTropes? I haven't checked yet." in his update blog.
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