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** Within the war itself, the Tet Offensive can be considered this. The vietcong attacked many cities simultaneously, notably claiming the US Embassy in Saigon. This was a major hit to the vision of American strength and hit their moral deeply. In reality, the vietcong suffered heavier losses than the American troops, but in terms of perception, this drastically swayed the war in their favour.

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And if they miraculously get past that they'll have to get past the massive ground forces consisting of {{Terminator}} units made of adamantium, [[{{Halo}} Spartan super soldiers]], super advanced EliteMooks, [[SpaceMarine Space Marines]], all of the planet's super advanced hi-tech Army, telekinetic Samurai Cyborgs, super humans, hi-tech space ninjas, SuperSentai squads, An AmazonBrigade of genetically/technologically enhanced female bad asses, [[TekkamanBlade Teknomen]], and a wide assortment of [[MilitaryMashupMachine Military Mashup machines]] and Mechas.



Usually overlaps with HopelessWar, RememberTheAlamo, and LastStand..

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Usually overlaps with HopelessWar, RememberTheAlamo, and LastStand..
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* When the Red Sox finally beat the Yankees.
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For the victors it could overlap with PyrrhicVictory, and WasItWorthIt.

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For the victors it could overlap with PyrrhicVictory, and WasItWorthIt.WasItReallyWorthIt.
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For the victors it could overlap with PyrrhicVictory, and WasItWorthIt.
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* For the European colonial powers in general, and the UK in particular, the [[http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/fall_of_singapore.htm Fall of Singapore]] in WW2.

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* For the European colonial powers in general, and the UK in particular, the [[http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/fall_of_singapore.htm Fall of Singapore]] in WW2. It had been boasted that Singapore was impenetrable due to its heavy guns...but every gun pointed towards the ocean. The Japanese came by land from the opposite direction, and what makes it worse is that in the final attack, Japan had only 30,000 men. The British had ''100,000'', and the British commander surrendered when he still had ''90,000 left''.
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* The fall of Coruscant to the Yuzzhan Vong in the NewJediOrder series. Characters are shocked to see the lights go out on the planet that never sleeps.



* The Battle of Wolf 359 from ''{{StarTrekTheNextGeneration TNG}}''
** The loss of Betazed in the ''DeepSpaceNine'' series to the Dominion, and the destruction of Vulcan in the 2009 film too

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* The Battle of Wolf 359 from ''{{StarTrekTheNextGeneration TNG}}''
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** Also from ''DS9'', the Breen attack on San Francisco. Not as damaging as some of the others on this list, but shocking that they were able to stab at the heart of TheFederation.
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** However, considering the effect it had on the line of succession in Fire Nation's monarchy, it was an important defeat nonetheless. The city of Ba Sing Se was sieged relentless off and on for a hundred years, but Iroh's siege is the only notable attempt to capture Ba Sing Se due to it being a turning point in the history of the Fire Nation, and as a result, the 100 Year War. Iroh's loss in favor gave Ozai an opportunity to make a claim on the throne, which was successful, and as a result of Ozai's leadership, the Fire Nation came dangerously close to winning once and for all. ShockingDefeatLegacy is not a killing blow or major surprise attack, but instead a defeat that no one saw coming and one that has major consequences. Nobody imagined Iroh's son would be killed, nor that as a result Iroh would retreat. If it were any other soldier, Iroh would probably have pressed the attack and won. Or, at least, that's what everyone was expecting to happen. He might still have lost, but that's irrelevant. It's the perception of defeat at the hour of victory or safety that defines this trope.
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* In ''WorldOfWarcraft'' there are numerous examples of this, as well as a couple of subversions, but given the name of the game, that's hardly surprising. There is the War of the Ancients which led to the destruction of the Keldorei kingdom and the world splitting apart, well the one continent, anyway. Then the Orcs almost complete annihilation of the Draenei on Draenor. After which, said orcs go on to sack the human city of Stormwind. Later, they go on to enslave the Red Dragon Flight, with which, they almost reduce Quel'Thalas to burning ash. Later, the Kaldorei give up their immortality by blowing up the WorldTree to kill Archimonde. Not long after that, they lose their beloved beloved demigod, Cenarius in a battle with Grom Hellscream. I haven't even gotten to the third war in which Arthas ends up killing every man, woman, and child in Stratholme. This is ''before'' he goes over to the dark side. After that, he kills his father, several paladins, including another father figure, Uther, then sacks Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon City to use the Sunwell, which he then blows up. Oh yeah, at the end of this war, Kil'Jaeden comes around to completely demolish Dalaran. Did I mention there were a lot of examples in this? [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CaptainObvious I think I did.]]

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* In ''WorldOfWarcraft'' there are numerous examples of this, as well as a couple of subversions, but given the name of the game, that's hardly surprising. There is the War of the Ancients which led to the destruction of the Keldorei kingdom and the world splitting apart, well the one continent, anyway. Then the Orcs almost complete annihilation of the Draenei on Draenor. After which, said orcs go on to invade the world of Azeroth and sack the human city of Stormwind. Later, they go on to enslave the Red Dragon Flight, with which, they almost reduce Quel'Thalas to burning ash. Later, the Kaldorei give up their immortality by blowing up the WorldTree to kill Archimonde. Not long after that, they lose their beloved beloved demigod, Cenarius in a battle with Grom Hellscream. I haven't even gotten to the third war in which Prince/Death Knight Arthas ends up killing every man, woman, and child in Stratholme. This is ''before'' he goes over to the dark side.Stratholme. After that, he kills his father, several paladins, including another father figure, Uther, then sacks Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon City to use the Sunwell, which he then blows up. Oh yeah, at the end of this war, Kil'Jaeden that campaign, Archimonde comes around to completely demolish Dalaran.Dalaran. The Kaldorei lose their beloved demigod, Cenarius, in a battle with Grom Hellscream. Finally, the Kaldorei give up their immortality by blowing up the World Tree to kill Archimonde. Did I mention there were a lot of examples in this? [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CaptainObvious I think I did.]]
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And if they miraculously get past that they'll have to get past the massive ground forces consisting of {{Terminator}} units made of adamantium, [[{{Halo}} Spartan super soldiers]], super advanced EliteMooks, [[SpaceMarine Space Marines]], all of the planet's super advanced hi-tech Army, telekinetic Samurai Cyborgs, super humans, hi-tech space ninjas, SuperSentai squads, An AmazonBrigade of genetically/technologically enhanced female bad asses, and a wide assortment of [[MilitaryMashupMachine Military Mashup machines]] and Mechas.

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And if they miraculously get past that they'll have to get past the massive ground forces consisting of {{Terminator}} units made of adamantium, [[{{Halo}} Spartan super soldiers]], super advanced EliteMooks, [[SpaceMarine Space Marines]], all of the planet's super advanced hi-tech Army, telekinetic Samurai Cyborgs, super humans, hi-tech space ninjas, SuperSentai squads, An AmazonBrigade of genetically/technologically enhanced female bad asses, [[TekkamanBlade Teknomen]], and a wide assortment of [[MilitaryMashupMachine Military Mashup machines]] and Mechas.
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And if they miraculously get past that they'll have to get past the massive ground forces consisting of {{Terminator}} units made of adamantium, [[{{Halo}} Spartan super soldiers]], super advanced EliteMooks, [[SpaceMarine Space Marines]], all of the planet's super advanced hi-tech Army, telekinetic Samurai Cyborgs, super humans, hi-tech space ninjas, SuperSentai squads, An AmazonBrigade of genetically/technologically enhanced female bad asses, and a wide assortment of [[MilitaryMashupMachine Military Mashup machines]] and Mechas. But in the end, said planet falls, sending a chilling wave down the spines of TheFederation. Sometimes it could be a turning point in the war, but not always. A faction can suffer these defeats and not necessarily be defeated.

But it's still a crippling loss that'll at least slow them down significantly. Sometimes these defeats are due to [[FailedASpotCheck surprise attacks]]. Could end up as a PyrrhicVictory for the attackers. Sometimes it's described as a NoodleIncident in some stories. This is usually TheWorfEffect, but for battles/wars (or even sports) instead of individuals. Usually to show how high the stakes is.

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And if they miraculously get past that they'll have to get past the massive ground forces consisting of {{Terminator}} units made of adamantium, [[{{Halo}} Spartan super soldiers]], super advanced EliteMooks, [[SpaceMarine Space Marines]], all of the planet's super advanced hi-tech Army, telekinetic Samurai Cyborgs, super humans, hi-tech space ninjas, SuperSentai squads, An AmazonBrigade of genetically/technologically enhanced female bad asses, and a wide assortment of [[MilitaryMashupMachine Military Mashup machines]] and Mechas.

But in the end, said planet falls, sending a chilling wave down the spines of TheFederation. Sometimes it could be a turning point in the war, but not always. A faction can suffer these defeats and not necessarily be defeated. \n\n But it's still a crippling loss that'll at least slow them down significantly. Sometimes these defeats are due to [[FailedASpotCheck surprise attacks]]. Could end up as a PyrrhicVictory for the attackers. Sometimes it's described as a NoodleIncident in some stories. This is usually TheWorfEffect, but for battles/wars (or even sports) instead of individuals. Usually to show how high the stakes is.

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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and Iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting a intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, But there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[StarWars Sun Crushers]],and a armada of [[EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of {{Voltron}}s and other CombiningMecha, [[RoboTech [=SDF=] fleets and Valkyries]]. And if they miraculously get past that they'll have to get past the massive ground forces consisting of {{Terminator}} units made of adamantium, [[{{Halo}} Spartan super soldiers]], super advanced EliteMooks, [[SpaceMarine Space Marines]], all of the planet's super advanced hi-tech Army, telekinetic Samurai Cyborgs, super humans, hi-tech space ninjas, SuperSentai squads, An AmazonBrigade of genetically/technologically enhanced female bad asses, and a wide assortment of [[MilitaryMashupMachine Military Mashup machines]] and Mechas. But in the end, said planet falls, sending a chilling wave down the spines of TheFederation. Sometimes it could be a turning point in the war, but not always. A faction can suffer these defeats and not necessarily be defeated. But it's still a crippling loss that'll at least slow them down significantly. Sometimes these defeats are due to [[FailedASpotCheck surprise attacks]]. Could end up as a PyrrhicVictory for the attackers. Sometimes it's described as a NoodleIncident in some stories. This is usually TheWorfEffect, but for battles/wars (or even sports) instead of individuals. Usually to show how high the stakes is.

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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and Iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting a intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, But there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[StarWars Sun Crushers]],and a armada of [[EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of {{Voltron}}s and other CombiningMecha, [[RoboTech [=SDF=] fleets and Valkyries]].

And if they miraculously get past that they'll have to get past the massive ground forces consisting of {{Terminator}} units made of adamantium, [[{{Halo}} Spartan super soldiers]], super advanced EliteMooks, [[SpaceMarine Space Marines]], all of the planet's super advanced hi-tech Army, telekinetic Samurai Cyborgs, super humans, hi-tech space ninjas, SuperSentai squads, An AmazonBrigade of genetically/technologically enhanced female bad asses, and a wide assortment of [[MilitaryMashupMachine Military Mashup machines]] and Mechas. But in the end, said planet falls, sending a chilling wave down the spines of TheFederation. Sometimes it could be a turning point in the war, but not always. A faction can suffer these defeats and not necessarily be defeated.

But it's still a crippling loss that'll at least slow them down significantly. Sometimes these defeats are due to [[FailedASpotCheck surprise attacks]]. Could end up as a PyrrhicVictory for the attackers. Sometimes it's described as a NoodleIncident in some stories. This is usually TheWorfEffect, but for battles/wars (or even sports) instead of individuals. Usually to show how high the stakes is.
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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and Iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting a intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, But there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[StarWars Sun Crushers]],and a armada of [[EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of {{Voltron}}s and other CombiningMecha, [[RoboTech [=SDF=] fleets and Valkyries]]. And if they miraculously get past that they'll have to get past the massive ground forces consisting of {{Terminator}} units made of adamantium, [[{{Halo}} Spartan super soldiers]], super advanced EliteMooks, [[SpaceMarine Space Marines]], all of the planet's super advanced hi-tech Army, telekinetic Samurai Cyborgs, super humans, hi-tech space ninjas, SuperSentai squads, An AmazonBrigade of genetically/technologically enhanced female bad asses, and a wide assortment of [[MilitaryMashupMachine Military Mashup machines]] and Mechas. But in the end, said planet falls, sending a chilling wave down the spines of TheFederation. Sometimes it could be a turning point in the war, but not always. A faction can suffer these defeats and not necessarily be defeated. But it's still a crippling loss that'll at least slow them down significantly. Sometimes these defeats are due to [[FailedASpotCheck surprise attacks]]. Could end up as a PyrrhicVictory for the attackers. Sometimes it's described as a NoodleIncident in some stories. This is usually TheWorfEffect, but for battles/wars instead of individuals. Usually to show how high the stakes is.

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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and Iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting a intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, But there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[StarWars Sun Crushers]],and a armada of [[EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of {{Voltron}}s and other CombiningMecha, [[RoboTech [=SDF=] fleets and Valkyries]]. And if they miraculously get past that they'll have to get past the massive ground forces consisting of {{Terminator}} units made of adamantium, [[{{Halo}} Spartan super soldiers]], super advanced EliteMooks, [[SpaceMarine Space Marines]], all of the planet's super advanced hi-tech Army, telekinetic Samurai Cyborgs, super humans, hi-tech space ninjas, SuperSentai squads, An AmazonBrigade of genetically/technologically enhanced female bad asses, and a wide assortment of [[MilitaryMashupMachine Military Mashup machines]] and Mechas. But in the end, said planet falls, sending a chilling wave down the spines of TheFederation. Sometimes it could be a turning point in the war, but not always. A faction can suffer these defeats and not necessarily be defeated. But it's still a crippling loss that'll at least slow them down significantly. Sometimes these defeats are due to [[FailedASpotCheck surprise attacks]]. Could end up as a PyrrhicVictory for the attackers. Sometimes it's described as a NoodleIncident in some stories. This is usually TheWorfEffect, but for battles/wars (or even sports) instead of individuals. Usually to show how high the stakes is.

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* The [[WorldWarZ Battle Of Yonkers]].

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Yonkers]]. They threw everything but the got damn kitchen sink at the enemy and still lost.


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*The 04 Dream Team during the 04 Olympics, whom were soundly beaten by...''Puerto Rico'' . The media never let them live it down. Until they started curb stomping international teams again.
*Happened in the NBA with the Goldenstate Warriors knocking off The Dallas Mavericks ''in the first round'' of the playoffs!
* When the Red Sox finally beat the Yankees.
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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and Iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting a intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, But there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[StarWars Sun Crushers]],and a armada of [[EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of {{Voltron}}s and other CombiningMecha, [[RoboTech [=SDF=] fleets and Valkyries]]. And if they miraculously get past that they'll have to get past the massive ground forces consisting of {{Terminator}} units made of adamantium, [[{{Halo}} Spartan super soldiers]], super advanced EliteMooks, [[SpaceMarine Space Marines]], Samurai Cyborgs, super humans, hi-tech space ninjas, and a wide assortment of [[MilitaryMashupMachine Military Mashup machines]]. But in the end, said planet falls, sending a chilling wave down the spines of TheFederation. Sometimes it could be a turning point in the war, but not always. A faction can suffer these defeats and not necessarily be defeated. But it's still a crippling loss that'll at least slow them down significantly. Sometimes these defeats are due to [[FailedASpotCheck surprise attacks]]. Could end up as a PyrrhicVictory for the attackers. Sometimes it's described as a NoodleIncident in some stories. This is usually TheWorfEffect, but for battles/wars instead of individuals. Usually to show how high the stakes is.

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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and Iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting a intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, But there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[StarWars Sun Crushers]],and a armada of [[EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of {{Voltron}}s and other CombiningMecha, [[RoboTech [=SDF=] fleets and Valkyries]]. And if they miraculously get past that they'll have to get past the massive ground forces consisting of {{Terminator}} units made of adamantium, [[{{Halo}} Spartan super soldiers]], super advanced EliteMooks, [[SpaceMarine Space Marines]], all of the planet's super advanced hi-tech Army, telekinetic Samurai Cyborgs, super humans, hi-tech space ninjas, SuperSentai squads, An AmazonBrigade of genetically/technologically enhanced female bad asses, and a wide assortment of [[MilitaryMashupMachine Military Mashup machines]].machines]] and Mechas. But in the end, said planet falls, sending a chilling wave down the spines of TheFederation. Sometimes it could be a turning point in the war, but not always. A faction can suffer these defeats and not necessarily be defeated. But it's still a crippling loss that'll at least slow them down significantly. Sometimes these defeats are due to [[FailedASpotCheck surprise attacks]]. Could end up as a PyrrhicVictory for the attackers. Sometimes it's described as a NoodleIncident in some stories. This is usually TheWorfEffect, but for battles/wars instead of individuals. Usually to show how high the stakes is.
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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and Iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting a intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, But there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[StarWars Sun Crushers]],and a fleet of [[EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of {{Voltron}}s, [[RoboTech [=SDF=] fleets and Valkyries]]. But in the end, said planet falls, sending a chilling wave down the spines of TheFederation. Sometimes it could be a turning point in the war, but not always. A faction can suffer these defeats and not necessarily be defeated. But it's still a crippling loss that'll at least slow them down significantly. Sometimes these defeats are due to [[FailedASpotCheck surprise attacks]]. Sometimes it's described as a NoodleIncident in some stories. This is usually TheWorfEffect, but for battles/wars instead of individuals. Usually to show how high the stakes is.

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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and Iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting a intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, But there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[StarWars Sun Crushers]],and a fleet armada of [[EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of {{Voltron}}s, {{Voltron}}s and other CombiningMecha, [[RoboTech [=SDF=] fleets and Valkyries]].Valkyries]]. And if they miraculously get past that they'll have to get past the massive ground forces consisting of {{Terminator}} units made of adamantium, [[{{Halo}} Spartan super soldiers]], super advanced EliteMooks, [[SpaceMarine Space Marines]], Samurai Cyborgs, super humans, hi-tech space ninjas, and a wide assortment of [[MilitaryMashupMachine Military Mashup machines]]. But in the end, said planet falls, sending a chilling wave down the spines of TheFederation. Sometimes it could be a turning point in the war, but not always. A faction can suffer these defeats and not necessarily be defeated. But it's still a crippling loss that'll at least slow them down significantly. Sometimes these defeats are due to [[FailedASpotCheck surprise attacks]]. Could end up as a PyrrhicVictory for the attackers. Sometimes it's described as a NoodleIncident in some stories. This is usually TheWorfEffect, but for battles/wars instead of individuals. Usually to show how high the stakes is.
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** Not the best example, since the siege failed but didn't even slow the Fire Nation's progress. More appropriate examples would be the conquest of Omashu and Azula's coup in Ba Sing Se during the second season: the latter was particularly significant as Ba Sing Se was the last free city in the world.

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* [[{{NapoleonBonaparte}} Waterloo]] - So famous it's practically a verb for defeat.

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* [[{{NapoleonBonaparte}} Waterloo]] - So famous it's practically a verb synonym for defeat.defeat.
** Although as with many battles, what gave Waterloo such a "knock-out blow" mystique that one tends to forget that fighting continued for quite a while after was not the battle itself but the subsequent pursuit. Thus in 1815, unlike 1812/13 and 1813/14, Napoleon's army was not given time to regroup and replenish.


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*** The negatives of Pearl Harbor from the Japanese point of view were those of starting a war against the US at all and of not sending in a second wave of attacks and more specifically in not targetting the fuel tanks. Had they bombed those, Pearl Harbor would have been unusable as a Navy base for at least a year.


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** Although the war did continue for nearly two years after that. Many however actually see the Battle of Antietam as the real turning point of the war, because this was the last real chance the Confederacy had of not just temporarily carrying the war north (there was also a Southern offensive in the west at the time, while even if Gettysburg had been won by Lee, Vicksburg still would have fallen to Grant), but also to gain recognition from the major European powers.
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** Not the best example, since the siege failed but didn't even slow the Fire Nation's progress. More appropriate examples would be the conquest of Omashu and Azula's coup in Ba Sing Se during the second season: the latter was particularly significant as Ba Sing Se was the last free city in the world.
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**The men of the Alamo had actually been ordered by Sam Houston to leave--Bowie's men originally came to destroy the fort, but the defenders chose to stay. Perhaps a better example from that war is the Battle of San Jacinto, where the relatively ragtag and much smaller Texan army hid out in the swamplands near what is now Houston, and defeated Santa Anna's men in a completely unexpected attack.
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*** In addition to the 500 ships The Covenant lost, they also lost 90% of ''The Fleet Of Particular Justice'' trying to destroy Reach. And what was left was utterly annihilated by the destruction of the aforementioned ''Installation 04''. The prophets was so shocked and annoyed they gave Thel 'Vadamee a ''Promotion Demotion''.

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*** In addition to the 500 ships The Covenant lost, they also lost 90% of ''The Fleet Of Particular Justice'' trying to destroy Reach. And what was left was utterly annihilated by the destruction of the aforementioned ''Installation 04''. The prophets was so shocked and annoyed they gave Thel 'Vadamee (the fleet's Supreme Commander) a ''Promotion Demotion''.
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*** In addition to the 500 ships The Covenant lost, they also lost 90% of ''The Fleet Of Particular Justice'' trying to destroy Reach. And what was left was utterly annihilated by the destruction of the aforementioned ''Installation 04''. The prophets was so shocked and annoyed they gave Thel 'Vadamee a ''PromotionDemotion''.

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*** In addition to the 500 ships The Covenant lost, they also lost 90% of ''The Fleet Of Particular Justice'' trying to destroy Reach. And what was left was utterly annihilated by the destruction of the aforementioned ''Installation 04''. The prophets was so shocked and annoyed they gave Thel 'Vadamee a ''PromotionDemotion''.''Promotion Demotion''.
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*** In addition to the 500 ships The Covenant lost, they also lost 90% of ''The Fleet Of Particular Justice'' trying to destroy Reach. And was was left was utterly annihilated by the destruction of the aforementioned ''Installation 04''. The prophets was so shocked and annoyed they gave Thel 'Vadamee a ''PromotionDemotion''.

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*** In addition to the 500 ships The Covenant lost, they also lost 90% of ''The Fleet Of Particular Justice'' trying to destroy Reach. And was what was left was utterly annihilated by the destruction of the aforementioned ''Installation 04''. The prophets was so shocked and annoyed they gave Thel 'Vadamee a ''PromotionDemotion''.
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*** In addition to the 500 ships The Covenant lost, they also lost 90% of ''The Fleet Of Particular Justice'' trying to destroy Reach. And was was left was utterly annihilated by the destruction of the aforementioned ''Installation 04''. The prophets was so shocked and annoyed they gave Thel 'Vadamee a ''PromotionDemotion''.
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** Subverted, however, in that Pearl Harbor was for more catastrophic for Japan than the U.S. A tactical defeat for the U.S., but a monumentally disastrous battle for Japan in the long term.
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** By the year of 2552, The Covenant lost the Battle of Installation 04, which took a heavy toll on the Covenant. Later, after Prophet of Regret's death, The Covenant's capital city High Charity was conquered by the Flood. Since it the Covenant begun to become the losing side of the war.
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** The Covenant get one of their own by losing a whole armada of about ''500 hundred'' ships thanks to BadAss Admiral Cole.

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