History Main / ShockingDefeatLegacy

14th Sep '16 2:12:50 PM LtFedora
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* The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad Battle of Stalingrad]], for the German forces in the Soviet Union. So much so that this was the first time the Nazis publicly acknowledged that the war was beginning to go badly.

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* The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad Battle of Stalingrad]], for the German forces in the Soviet Union. So much The Sixth Army was one of the largest German field armies, and the battle became an intense clash of ideologies: Nazism vs communism, Hitler vs Stalin. When the army was cut off, the Nazis immediately put a lid on all media reports regarding Stalingrad. Finally, the last remnants of the Sixth Army surrendered in February 1943. Nearly 100,000 Germans were captured, out of an initial force of 250,000. The scale of the catastrophe was so great that this even Goebbels could not camouflage the defeat as he had the numerous other setbacks on the Eastern Front. It was the first time that the Nazis publicly acknowledged that a failure in the war was beginning effort, causing German civilians to go badly.begin doubting their promise of final victory.
10th Sep '16 7:56:07 PM billybobfred
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* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' had Iroh's siege.
** Not the best example, since the siege failed but didn't even slow the Fire Nation's progress. More appropriate examples would be the conquest of Omashu and Azula's coup in Ba Sing Se during the second season: the latter was particularly significant as Ba Sing Se was the last free city in the Earth Kingdom.
** However, considering the effect it had on the line of succession in Fire Nation's monarchy, it was an important defeat nonetheless. The city of Ba Sing Se was sieged relentlessly off and on for a hundred years, but Iroh's siege is the only notable attempt to capture Ba Sing Se due to it being a turning point in the history of the Fire Nation, and as a result, the 100 Year War. Iroh's loss in favor gave Ozai an opportunity to make a claim on the throne, which was successful, and as a result of Ozai's leadership, the Fire Nation came dangerously close to winning once and for all. ShockingDefeatLegacy is not a killing blow or major surprise attack, but instead a defeat that no one saw coming and one that has major consequences. Nobody imagined Iroh's son would be killed, nor that as a result Iroh would retreat. If it were any other soldier, Iroh would probably have pressed the attack and won. Or, at least, that's what everyone was expecting to happen. He might still have lost, but that's irrelevant. It's the perception of defeat at the hour of victory or safety that defines this trope.
*** Iroh was a much better leader than CardCarryingVillain Ozai, and if he hadn't retired, he would've found a way to crack Ba Sing Se open anyway, either with his original siege or later (he later managed it with a much smaller army, and against an army of comet-empowered Firebenders no less). Demoralizing Iroh and pushing him away from the war and the conquering mindset was the all-important coup which led to the Fire Nation's eventual defeat. Moreover, a hypothetical [[TheEmperor Fire Lord Iroh]] would have encouraged massive numbers of LesCollaborateurs due to his [[CoolOldGuy competence, winning personality]] and [[HeroAntagonist kindness]], ensuring Fire Nation dominion over the Avatar world during his lifetime at least. Instead, Ozai succeeded Azulon, but he only really cared for himself and increasing his personal power, using and abusing even his favoured daugher and his country as a whole as tools to this end and running both ragged in the process; further, with his evil antics, he put all his enemies into a very motivating "do or die" situation, as well as adding his own son and brother, considerable powers in the world especially the latter, to their ranks. Any fight against Fire Lord Iroh would have been half-hearted at best, by comparison. TL, DR: It was this trope because it replaced Iroh's solid leadership with Ozai and his VillainBall, a major strategic defeat for the Fire Nation.
*** Assuming, of course, that Iroh had zero CharacterDevelopment between the loss of his son and the start of the series, and was always that CoolOldGuy.
*** According to a flashback he was
** Another example was the Day of Black Sun. [[spoiler: The Water Tribes and Earth Kingdoms had united to hit the Fire Nation at exactly the time that firebenders would be unable to bend. Everything was planned out and executed perfectly, but due to some clever stalling tactics by Azula and Ozai, the Fire Nation held out and the good guys were forced to break and retreat, and the Fire Nation could prepare for Sozin's Comet unopposed.]]
7th Sep '16 4:14:36 AM DarthWalrus
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* The entire First Opium War was this to China. China's capitulation and the total lack of ''any'' CurbStompCushion in sight humbled the Chinese and marked the begining of a era of being forced to negotiate from a position of weakness, and ending one of China's nigh-complete superiority over her smaller neighboring nations, one of which would even join the Western Powers in imposing their will on China. They even came up with the term [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty Unequal Treaty]] to describe the treaties that resulted from these losses. [[{{Hypocrite}} despite having forced unfair treaties favoring China onto her neighbors, and provoked the first of them by refusing to deal with Britain as equals, and seeing the British as a mere future Vassal State]]. To this day, Chinese Communist Propaganda brings up the "Unequal Treaties" whenever deals with a western power fail to favor China as heavily as they would like.
1st Sep '16 3:35:08 PM DarkPhoenix94
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9th Aug '16 9:43:45 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* The Fall Of Reach in the ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' universe. Which is the equivalent of America's CENTCOM, Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Fort Bragg, and Norad being taken out all at once. And that's not counting the civilian casualties.

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* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'':
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The UNSC has the Fall Of Reach in the ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' universe. Which is Reach, which was the equivalent of America's CENTCOM, Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Fort Bragg, and Norad being taken out all at once. And that's not counting the civilian casualties.



** When Flood overrun the Covenant capital of ''High Charity'', it signals a massive loss for the Covenant Loyalists, and the turning of the tide in favor of not only the Separatists, but humanity's own continued survival.

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** When Flood overrun the Covenant capital of ''High Charity'', it signals a massive loss for the Covenant Loyalists, Covenant, and the turning of the tide in favor of not only the Separatists, Elites and their subordinates, but humanity's own continued survival.
28th Jun '16 8:50:58 PM igordebraga
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* [[Creator/TheSportsGuy Bill Simmons]] wrote a couple of articles about the [[http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020528 Levels of]] [[http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071001 Losing]] (first article from 2002, second one from 2007 following the New York Mets' September collapse in the NL East), with Level 1 being reserved as the sole domain of "That Game" (Game 6 of the 1986 World Series). Then the [[http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100129&sportCat=nfl Brett Favre-led Minnesota Vikings choked away the 2010 NFC Championship Game to the New Orleans Saints]] (the batch of emails in the article conveys quite nicely the devastation on Vikings fans' psyche), and Simmons went back and made a list of tortured teams eligible for a loss of that magnitude.[[note]]Please note that since then the Seattle Seahawks and San Francisco Giants have won championships, and so would no longer be eligible by his criteria.[[/note]]

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* [[Creator/TheSportsGuy Bill Simmons]] wrote a couple of articles about the [[http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020528 Levels of]] [[http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071001 Losing]] (first article from 2002, second one from 2007 following the New York Mets' September collapse in the NL East), with Level 1 being reserved as the sole domain of "That Game" (Game 6 of the 1986 World Series). Then the [[http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100129&sportCat=nfl Brett Favre-led Minnesota Vikings choked away the 2010 NFC Championship Game to the New Orleans Saints]] (the batch of emails in the article conveys quite nicely the devastation on Vikings fans' psyche), and Simmons went back and made a list of tortured teams eligible for a loss of that magnitude.[[note]]Please note that since then the Seattle Seahawks and Seahawks, San Francisco Giants and Cleveland Cavaliers have won championships, and so would no longer be eligible by his criteria.[[/note]]
18th Jun '16 4:39:42 AM Hewhoarisesinmight
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* The Battle of Gettysburg was a major turning point of the American Civil War.
** Although the war did continue for nearly two years after that. Many however actually see the Battle of Antietam as the real turning point of the war, because this was the last real chance the Confederacy had of not just temporarily carrying the war north (there was also a Southern offensive in the west at the time, while even if Gettysburg had been won by Lee, Vicksburg still would have fallen to Grant), but also to gain recognition from the major European powers.

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* The While the Battle of Gettysburg was a major is popularly considered the turning point of the American Civil War.
** Although the war did continue for nearly two years after that. Many
AmericanCivilWar , many however actually see the Battle of Antietam as the real turning point of the war, because this was the last real chance the Confederacy had of not just temporarily carrying the war north (there was also a Southern offensive in the west at the time, while even if Gettysburg had been won by Lee, Vicksburg still would have fallen to Grant), but also to gain recognition from the major European powers.powers. Gettysburg had essentially no impact on the long term reputation of Lee and his army; the Northern public and the South alike considered him undefeated when Grant began his offensive in 1864.



** The "Fall of France" fits the trope name better. Dunkirk is more of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat (although Churchill was quick to point out that you don't win wars with retreats and that while it was great to save the troops, the Fall of France was still a major defeat for the Allies).

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** The "Fall of France" fits the trope name better. Dunkirk is more of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat (although Churchill was quick to point out that you don't win wars with retreats and that while it was great to save the troops, the Fall of France was still a major defeat for the Allies). France had been the major balancing power on the continent against a resurgent Germany; everyone, from the French to the British to the Russians to the German General Staff believed it would be a long and brutal slugging match. When, according to von Manstein's plan, Guderian's XIX Panzer Corps cracked through the thin French defenses at Sedan, there was nothing between the Germans and the Channel, and the grand strategic balance of the war had been destroyed at a stroke. The most powerful army in Europe had been neutralized and their country overrun in six weeks.
14th Jun '16 7:58:01 AM Hewhoarisesinmight
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* The Battle of Jena-Auerstädt. The Prussian army had been considered the finest in Europe ever since the wars of Frederick the Great, its soldiers inculcated with 'corpse discipline'-should they be shot and killed, their corpse should continue to march, load, and fire regardless. While Napoleon pounced with his main force on a Prussian detachment at Jena, the Iron Marshal Davout threw back the Prussian main army with a single corps. The Prussian army had been shattered in a matter of hours, and the pursuit destroyed it and the Prussian state with it. In the wake of this defeat, Prussia was forced to accept the loss of half its population and restrictions on its military. The defeat was so extreme, the Prussians basically rebuilt their society to recover and defeat the French. In the military, the corporal punishment necessary for 'corpse discipline' was abolished, and the concept of a citizen army was embraced. The Prussians adopted the first modern general staff, allowing non-aristocrats to become professional staff officers. They even went so far as to abolish serfdom to make a society that could defeat Napoleon.
27th May '16 9:00:09 AM Nikumubeki
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* ''VideoGame/DeusEx'': the (French!) terrorist group blows up the Statue of Liberty!

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* ''VideoGame/DeusEx'': the (French!) terrorist group Silhouette blows up the Statue of Liberty!Liberty! [[spoiler: Actually committed by [[TheConspiracy MJ12]] itself, conveniently framing Silhouette in the process.]]
20th May '16 2:31:11 PM Doug86
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* The Battle of the Azure Nebula in the StarTrekNovelVerse, the most one-sided battle in the franchise's history.

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* The Battle of the Azure Nebula in the StarTrekNovelVerse, Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse, the most one-sided battle in the franchise's history.
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