History Main / ShockingDefeatLegacy

26th Nov '17 12:23:01 PM Jhonny
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** Then there was the famous incident where Emperor Valerian lost to them in the Battle of Edessa and ended up becoming [[EpicFail the first Emperor to be captured alive and imprisoned by an enemy power]]. Valerian spent the remainder of his life in captivity and according to Roman legend was either made to serve as a footstool to King Shapur of Persia and/or given the Crassus-esque molten gold treatment. The Persians denied that they killed him however. Another one was the Emperor Julian the Apostate who led another invasion into Persian land, supposedly to imitate UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat. Julian had some successes early on and laid siege on the capital of Ctesiphon before being killed by a Persian spear (of if you believe UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories, fragged by one of his own Christian soldiers because they didn't like his pagan-revival policies). In either case, the death of the Emperor and Head of State with his arm in enemy territory was a major embarrassment, and his successor Jovian more or less negotiated a sweetheart deal for the Persians to get himself and the army safe-passage, which made him so widely hated in Rome that his own uncle was lynched the day it was announced.

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** Then there was the famous incident where Emperor Valerian lost to them in the Battle of Edessa and ended up becoming [[EpicFail the first Emperor to be captured alive and imprisoned by an enemy power]]. Valerian spent the remainder of his life in captivity and according to Roman legend was either made to serve as a footstool to King Shapur of Persia and/or given the Crassus-esque molten gold treatment. The Persians denied that they killed him however. Another one was the Emperor Julian the Apostate who led another invasion into Persian land, supposedly to imitate UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat. Julian had some successes early on and laid siege on the capital of Ctesiphon before being killed by a Persian spear (of if you believe UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories, fragged by one of his own Christian soldiers because they didn't like his pagan-revival policies). In either case, the death of the Emperor and Head of State with his arm army in enemy territory was a major embarrassment, and his successor Jovian more or less negotiated a sweetheart deal for the Persians to get himself and the army safe-passage, which made him so widely hated in Rome that his own uncle was lynched the day it was announced.
26th Nov '17 8:50:06 AM nombretomado
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** Then there was the famous incident where Emperor Valerian lost to them in the Battle of Edessa and ended up becoming [[EpicFail the first Emperor to be captured alive and imprisoned by an enemy power]]. Valerian spent the remainder of his life in captivity and according to Roman legend was either made to serve as a footstool to King Shapur of Persia and/or given the Crassus-esque molten gold treatment. The Persians denied that they killed him however. Another one was the Emperor Julian the Apostate who led another invasion into Persian land, supposedly to imitate UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat. Julian had some successes early on and laid siege on the capital of Ctesiphon before being killed by a Persian spear (of if you believe ConspiracyTheory, fragged by one of his own Christian soldiers because they didn't like his pagan-revival policies). In either case, the death of the Emperor and Head of State with his arm in enemy territory was a major embarrassment, and his successor Jovian more or less negotiated a sweetheart deal for the Persians to get himself and the army safe-passage, which made him so widely hated in Rome that his own uncle was lynched the day it was announced.

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** Then there was the famous incident where Emperor Valerian lost to them in the Battle of Edessa and ended up becoming [[EpicFail the first Emperor to be captured alive and imprisoned by an enemy power]]. Valerian spent the remainder of his life in captivity and according to Roman legend was either made to serve as a footstool to King Shapur of Persia and/or given the Crassus-esque molten gold treatment. The Persians denied that they killed him however. Another one was the Emperor Julian the Apostate who led another invasion into Persian land, supposedly to imitate UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat. Julian had some successes early on and laid siege on the capital of Ctesiphon before being killed by a Persian spear (of if you believe ConspiracyTheory, UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories, fragged by one of his own Christian soldiers because they didn't like his pagan-revival policies). In either case, the death of the Emperor and Head of State with his arm in enemy territory was a major embarrassment, and his successor Jovian more or less negotiated a sweetheart deal for the Persians to get himself and the army safe-passage, which made him so widely hated in Rome that his own uncle was lynched the day it was announced.
18th Nov '17 9:34:32 PM TSBasilisk
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** at the start of the Legion expansion there is the battle of Broken Shore, where the united army of both the Alliance and the Horde attempted to assault an island that the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLegionsOfHell Burning Legion]] has taken over. the battle went well for the Alliance and Horde at first, but at the end they got overwhelmed by demons and were forced to retreat, losing a lot of soldiers and King Varian Wyrnn of the Alliance, and Warchief Vol'jin of the Horde.

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** at At the start of the Legion ''Legion'' expansion there is the battle of Broken Shore, where the united army of both the Alliance and the Horde attempted to assault an island that the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLegionsOfHell Burning Legion]] has taken over. the battle went well for the Alliance and Horde at first, but at the end they got overwhelmed by demons and were forced to retreat, losing a lot of soldiers and King Varian Wyrnn of the Alliance, and Warchief Vol'jin of the Horde.Horde.
** ''Battle for Azeroth'' opens with a devastating loss for both factions. The Alliance successfully sieges Undercity and drives the Forsaken out of Lordaeron. Meanwhile the world tree of Teldrassil is burned down and the Night Elves driven out of Kalimdor.
30th Oct '17 2:12:30 PM Killerweinerdog
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** The Americans themselves suffered one at the Battle Of Casserine Pass. Following the successes of Operation Torch, the Americans were riding high from the victory, but up to that point, they'd only faced Italian and Vichy French resistance. At Kasserine, they rolled up on Rommel himself and his ''Afrika Korps,'' which proceeded to devastate and rout the American forces. The major contributing factor in this battle was that America had absolutely no experience in armored warfare, so their tactics and equipment was sorely outdated, in contrast to Rommel's veteran soldiers with the most modern technology available. It was this defeat that spurred General Patton to completely rewrite America's book on armored warfare, to the point that even ''Rommel'' was impressed when he next encountered Patton.
4th Oct '17 10:38:10 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' backstory, for all of their many victories, it was a [[ProudWarriorRace Nord]] defeat that had perhaps the most profound impact on Tamriellic history. After centuries of domination and expansion out of Skyrim, [[BadassArmy their army]], led by the Tongues ([[MakeMeWannaShout masters of the Thu'um]]), was annihilated at Red Mountain in Morrowind by a coalition of [[OurDwarvesAreDifferent Dwemer]] and Chimer forces. This marked the farthest expanse of the Nordic empire and led to a drop-off in the use of the Thu'um as a weapon after [[HeelFaithTurn Jurgen Windcaller]], one of the defeated Tongues, created the Way of the Voice to use the Thu'um only to honor the gods. The after effects of the loss at Red Mountain could still be felt in the storylines to both ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]''.
** The Sacking of Alinor by Tiber Septim's legions, with the aid of the Dwemer [[HumongousMecha Numidium]]. The beautiful crystal city and its legions of MagicKnight defenders [[CurbStompBattle were crushed within an hour of fighting]], leaving the High Elves under the rule of men for the first time in their thousands of years of history. This only exacerbated their hatred of humanity and when opportunity arose after the Oblivion Crisis, they struck back hard under the leadership of the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]].

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In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' the backstory, for all of their many victories, it was a [[ProudWarriorRace Nord]] defeat that had perhaps the most profound impact on Tamriellic history. After centuries of domination and expansion out of Skyrim, [[BadassArmy their army]], led by the Tongues ([[MakeMeWannaShout masters of the Thu'um]]), was annihilated at Red Mountain in Morrowind by a coalition of [[OurDwarvesAreDifferent Dwemer]] and Chimer forces. This marked the farthest expanse of the Nordic empire and led to a drop-off in the use of the Thu'um as a weapon after [[HeelFaithTurn Jurgen Windcaller]], one of the defeated Tongues, created the Way of the Voice to use the Thu'um only to honor the gods. The after effects of the loss at Red Mountain could still be felt in the storylines to both ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]''.
** The Another was the Sacking of Alinor by [[TheConqueror Tiber Septim's legions, Septim]]'s [[BadassArmy legions]], with the aid of the Dwemer Dwemer-crafted [[HumongousMecha Numidium]]. The beautiful crystal city and its legions of MagicKnight defenders [[CurbStompBattle were crushed within an hour of fighting]], leaving the High Elves [[OurElvesAreBetter Altmer (High Elves)]] under the rule of men Men for the first time in their thousands of years of history. This only exacerbated their [[FantasticRacism hatred of humanity humanity]] and when opportunity arose after the [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion Crisis, Crisis]], they struck back hard ''hard'' under the leadership of the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]].
24th Sep '17 12:00:27 PM nombretomado
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* Italy's defeat at Gasr Bu Hadi in 1915 saw the Italians expelled from most of Libya and reduced to a few coastal cities, as now not only the rebels knew they could defeat the Italians in a pitched battle but, due the Italian commander's arrogance, had managed to capture thousands of rifles dozens of machine guns, and even some artillery, all with plentiful ammunition. On the long run it backfired on the entire Libyan population, as when they counterattacked the Italians first shattered the main rebel forces and then defeated the guerilla by ''taking in hostage most of the civilian population'' to isolate the rebels from support (also killing many civilians from starvation due the Italians not caring much of keeping them fed), but said counterattack was so ferocious because the Italians still felt the sting of Gasr Bu Hadi (and actually made a point of luring a rebel force there to annihilate it just to avenge that defeat), and it only came in 1923-one year after BenitoMussolini took over in Italy.

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* Italy's defeat at Gasr Bu Hadi in 1915 saw the Italians expelled from most of Libya and reduced to a few coastal cities, as now not only the rebels knew they could defeat the Italians in a pitched battle but, due the Italian commander's arrogance, had managed to capture thousands of rifles dozens of machine guns, and even some artillery, all with plentiful ammunition. On the long run it backfired on the entire Libyan population, as when they counterattacked the Italians first shattered the main rebel forces and then defeated the guerilla by ''taking in hostage most of the civilian population'' to isolate the rebels from support (also killing many civilians from starvation due the Italians not caring much of keeping them fed), but said counterattack was so ferocious because the Italians still felt the sting of Gasr Bu Hadi (and actually made a point of luring a rebel force there to annihilate it just to avenge that defeat), and it only came in 1923-one year after BenitoMussolini UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini took over in Italy.
17th Sep '17 7:58:37 AM FringeBenefits
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* In the MagicalGirl CrisisCrossover ''FanFic/ShatteredSkies'', [[spoiler:the total massacre of the [[Franchise/LyricalNanoha TSAB's]] [[TheFederation Dimensional]] [[TimePolice Navy]], done singlehandedly by [[PersonOfMassDestruction Unison Reinforce]], lets everyone know that [[LegionOfDoom Dead End]] is not screwing around with the whole [[ApocalypseHow/ClassZ multiversal destruction]] thing, and they've damn well got the firepower to pull it off.]]

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28th Aug '17 10:26:01 AM Jhonny
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* Perhaps the biggest defeat in soccer history was the 3:2 Germany inflicted upon Hungary in the final of the 1954 FIFA World Cup. Hungary went from one of the dominant soccer powers on earth to an afterthought, virtually overnight.
27th Aug '17 8:46:19 PM JulianLapostat
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** The first and most humiliating one was the Battle of Carrhae, where triumvir Marcus Licinus Crassus (the guy who crushed Spartacus) invaded the Parthian Empire. He had a solidly equipped army and greatly outnumbered the Parthians, yet the latter's cavalry and horse-archers (what the Byzantine Romans would call kataphracts) were too much and Crassus while a good general with some moments was not a genius, and he really needed to be one. The Parthians brutally crushed the Romans despite being outnumbered, Crassus was murdered and depending on which account you believe, molten gold was poured into his mouth or he was beheaded and his head was used as a prop for a Persian production of Creator/{{Euripides}}'s ''Theatre/{{Bacchae}}'' (Crassus was apparently the head of King Pentheus in what we can assume was a rather intensely realistic production).

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** The first and most humiliating one was the Battle of Carrhae, where triumvir Marcus Licinus Crassus UsefulNotes/MarcusLiciniusCrassus (the guy who crushed Spartacus) invaded the Parthian Empire. He had a solidly equipped army and greatly outnumbered the Parthians, yet the latter's cavalry and horse-archers (what the Byzantine Romans would call kataphracts) were too much and Crassus while a good general with some moments was not a genius, and he really needed to be one. The Parthians brutally crushed the Romans despite being outnumbered, Crassus was murdered and depending on which account you believe, molten gold was poured into his mouth or he was beheaded and his head was used as a prop for a Persian production of Creator/{{Euripides}}'s ''Theatre/{{Bacchae}}'' (Crassus was apparently the head of King Pentheus in what we can assume was a rather intensely realistic production).
4th Aug '17 4:11:54 PM Jhonny
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** In the early imperial era, the most famous was the Battle of Teutoburg Forest on September 9, 9 AD. Three Roman legions were returning to camp when they were attacked by Arminius, a Germanic chieftain who had grown up in Rome. All three legions were wiped out, and eventually the Roman Empire withdrew from Germania. Emperor Augustus, when told of the disaster, as per Suetonius, banged his head against the wall, shouting "Varus! Give me back my legions!" went days without shaving in a HeroicBSOD and years after was known to mutter as a non-sequitir the same line, despite the fact that Varus had died in battle (mercifully since he didn't [[YouHaveFailedMe have to face Augustus]] in person). This defeat is often cited, especially in Romantic German nationalism as the real reason why the Romans never went further into Germania. Of course, the Romans did make excursions and expand there under Marcus Aurelius (a fact which ThePhilosopherKing comemorates in a column showing him personally slaughter Germans) and there are some archaeological findings that suggest the Romans did try again but that defeat did endure in Rome's psyche.[[note]]More recent research, e. g. the finding of the remains of a post 9 A. D. battlefield in the middle of Germania where the Romans conclusively defeated their Germanic foes, indicates that Rome continued to make successful incursions into Germania much longer than was hitherto believed and that the eventual withdrawal from there was, perhaps not directly preconditioned on the battle of the Teutoburg Forest.[[/note]]

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** In the early imperial era, the most famous was the Battle of Teutoburg Forest on September 9, 9 AD. Three Roman legions were returning to camp when they were attacked by Arminius, a Germanic chieftain who had grown up in Rome. All three legions were wiped out, and eventually the Roman Empire withdrew from Germania. Emperor Augustus, when told of the disaster, as per Suetonius, banged his head against the wall, shouting "Varus! Give me back my legions!" went days without shaving in a HeroicBSOD and years after was known to mutter as a non-sequitir non-sequitur the same line, despite the fact that Varus had died in battle (mercifully since he didn't [[YouHaveFailedMe have to face Augustus]] in person). This defeat is often cited, especially in Romantic German nationalism as the real reason why the Romans never went further into Germania. Of course, the Romans did make excursions and expand there under Marcus Aurelius (a fact which ThePhilosopherKing comemorates commemorates in a column showing him personally slaughter Germans) Germanic warriors) and there are some archaeological findings that suggest the Romans did try again but that defeat did endure in Rome's psyche.[[note]]More recent research, e. g. the finding of the remains of a post 9 A. D. battlefield in the middle of Germania where the Romans conclusively defeated their Germanic foes, indicates that Rome continued to make successful incursions into Germania much longer than was hitherto believed and that the eventual withdrawal from there was, perhaps not directly preconditioned on the battle of the Teutoburg Forest.[[/note]]
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