History Main / ShockingDefeatLegacy

28th Jun '16 8:50:58 PM igordebraga
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* [[Creator/TheSportsGuy Bill Simmons]] wrote a couple of articles about the [[http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020528 Levels of]] [[http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071001 Losing]] (first article from 2002, second one from 2007 following the New York Mets' September collapse in the NL East), with Level 1 being reserved as the sole domain of "That Game" (Game 6 of the 1986 World Series). Then the [[http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100129&sportCat=nfl Brett Favre-led Minnesota Vikings choked away the 2010 NFC Championship Game to the New Orleans Saints]] (the batch of emails in the article conveys quite nicely the devastation on Vikings fans' psyche), and Simmons went back and made a list of tortured teams eligible for a loss of that magnitude.[[note]]Please note that since then the Seattle Seahawks and San Francisco Giants have won championships, and so would no longer be eligible by his criteria.[[/note]]

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* [[Creator/TheSportsGuy Bill Simmons]] wrote a couple of articles about the [[http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020528 Levels of]] [[http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071001 Losing]] (first article from 2002, second one from 2007 following the New York Mets' September collapse in the NL East), with Level 1 being reserved as the sole domain of "That Game" (Game 6 of the 1986 World Series). Then the [[http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100129&sportCat=nfl Brett Favre-led Minnesota Vikings choked away the 2010 NFC Championship Game to the New Orleans Saints]] (the batch of emails in the article conveys quite nicely the devastation on Vikings fans' psyche), and Simmons went back and made a list of tortured teams eligible for a loss of that magnitude.[[note]]Please note that since then the Seattle Seahawks and Seahawks, San Francisco Giants and Cleveland Cavaliers have won championships, and so would no longer be eligible by his criteria.[[/note]]
18th Jun '16 4:39:42 AM Hewhoarisesinmight
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* The Battle of Gettysburg was a major turning point of the American Civil War.
** Although the war did continue for nearly two years after that. Many however actually see the Battle of Antietam as the real turning point of the war, because this was the last real chance the Confederacy had of not just temporarily carrying the war north (there was also a Southern offensive in the west at the time, while even if Gettysburg had been won by Lee, Vicksburg still would have fallen to Grant), but also to gain recognition from the major European powers.

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* The While the Battle of Gettysburg was a major is popularly considered the turning point of the American Civil War.
** Although the war did continue for nearly two years after that. Many
AmericanCivilWar , many however actually see the Battle of Antietam as the real turning point of the war, because this was the last real chance the Confederacy had of not just temporarily carrying the war north (there was also a Southern offensive in the west at the time, while even if Gettysburg had been won by Lee, Vicksburg still would have fallen to Grant), but also to gain recognition from the major European powers.powers. Gettysburg had essentially no impact on the long term reputation of Lee and his army; the Northern public and the South alike considered him undefeated when Grant began his offensive in 1864.



** The "Fall of France" fits the trope name better. Dunkirk is more of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat (although Churchill was quick to point out that you don't win wars with retreats and that while it was great to save the troops, the Fall of France was still a major defeat for the Allies).

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** The "Fall of France" fits the trope name better. Dunkirk is more of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat (although Churchill was quick to point out that you don't win wars with retreats and that while it was great to save the troops, the Fall of France was still a major defeat for the Allies). France had been the major balancing power on the continent against a resurgent Germany; everyone, from the French to the British to the Russians to the German General Staff believed it would be a long and brutal slugging match. When, according to von Manstein's plan, Guderian's XIX Panzer Corps cracked through the thin French defenses at Sedan, there was nothing between the Germans and the Channel, and the grand strategic balance of the war had been destroyed at a stroke. The most powerful army in Europe had been neutralized and their country overrun in six weeks.
14th Jun '16 7:58:01 AM Hewhoarisesinmight
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* The Battle of Jena-Auerstädt. The Prussian army had been considered the finest in Europe ever since the wars of Frederick the Great, its soldiers inculcated with 'corpse discipline'-should they be shot and killed, their corpse should continue to march, load, and fire regardless. While Napoleon pounced with his main force on a Prussian detachment at Jena, the Iron Marshal Davout threw back the Prussian main army with a single corps. The Prussian army had been shattered in a matter of hours, and the pursuit destroyed it and the Prussian state with it. In the wake of this defeat, Prussia was forced to accept the loss of half its population and restrictions on its military. The defeat was so extreme, the Prussians basically rebuilt their society to recover and defeat the French. In the military, the corporal punishment necessary for 'corpse discipline' was abolished, and the concept of a citizen army was embraced. The Prussians adopted the first modern general staff, allowing non-aristocrats to become professional staff officers. They even went so far as to abolish serfdom to make a society that could defeat Napoleon.
27th May '16 9:00:09 AM Nikumubeki
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* ''VideoGame/DeusEx'': the (French!) terrorist group blows up the Statue of Liberty!

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* ''VideoGame/DeusEx'': the (French!) terrorist group Silhouette blows up the Statue of Liberty!Liberty! [[spoiler: Actually committed by [[TheConspiracy MJ12]] itself, conveniently framing Silhouette in the process.]]
20th May '16 2:31:11 PM Doug86
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* The Battle of the Azure Nebula in the StarTrekNovelVerse, the most one-sided battle in the franchise's history.

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* The Battle of the Azure Nebula in the StarTrekNovelVerse, Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse, the most one-sided battle in the franchise's history.
8th May '16 4:18:32 PM LtFedora
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Usually overlaps with HopelessWar, RememberTheAlamo, and LastStand. Often can be a DecisiveBattle, if the balance of power is dramatically shifted as well.

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Usually overlaps with HopelessWar, RememberTheAlamo, and LastStand. Often can be a DecisiveBattle, if the balance of power is dramatically shifted as well.
well. See also the sub-trope CapitalOffensive.
22nd Apr '16 2:34:39 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and Iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting an intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, but there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[Franchise/StarWars Sun Crushers]] and an armada of [[VideoGame/EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of Anime/{{Voltron}}s and other CombiningMecha, [[{{Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross SDF fleets and Valkyries]].

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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and Iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting an intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, but there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[Franchise/StarWars Sun Crushers]] and an armada of [[VideoGame/EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of Anime/{{Voltron}}s and other CombiningMecha, [[{{Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross [[Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross SDF fleets and Valkyries]].
22nd Apr '16 2:34:24 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and Iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting an intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, but there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[StarWars Sun Crushers]] and an armada of [[EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of {{Voltron}}s and other CombiningMecha, [[{{Anime/Robotech}} SDF fleets and Valkyries]].

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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and Iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting an intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, but there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[StarWars [[Franchise/StarWars Sun Crushers]] and an armada of [[EVEOnline [[VideoGame/EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of {{Voltron}}s Anime/{{Voltron}}s and other CombiningMecha, [[{{Anime/Robotech}} [[{{Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross SDF fleets and Valkyries]].
17th Apr '16 7:32:03 PM igordebraga
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** In 2014, Brazil is the host nation, their first home tournament since their 1950 defeat (itself already a ShockingDefeatLegacy). With their new superstar in Neymar, Brazil was the heavy favorites for the World Cup - although it was nip and tuck a lot of the way. They made it to the Finals, but they had lost Neymar to injury, forcing him to miss the rest of the tournament. As a result, Brazil gets utterly humiliated by Germany with a score of '''7-1 in front of their own native fans''', which is both Germany's greatest margin of victory ''and'' Brazil's greatest margin of defeat, as well as one of the most lopsided games in World Cup history. While Germany would go on to win the final against Argentina, Brazil would have to settle for a third place finish against the Dutch... only to lose yet again 0-2. This will ''not'' ever leave Brazil's consciousness for quite some time. To the point it reached MemeticMutation, with subsequent bad performances of the national team (or the country itself) having Brazilians react with "Germany goal!" and "7-1 wasn't enough!".

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** In 2014, Brazil is the host nation, their first home tournament since their 1950 defeat (itself already a ShockingDefeatLegacy). With their new superstar in Neymar, Brazil was the heavy favorites for the World Cup - although it was nip and tuck a lot of the way. They made it to the Finals, semifinals, but they had lost Neymar to injury, forcing him to miss the rest of the tournament. As a result, Brazil gets utterly humiliated by Germany with a score of '''7-1 in front of their own native fans''', which is both Germany's greatest margin of victory ''and'' Brazil's greatest margin of defeat, as well as one of the most lopsided games in World Cup history. While Germany would go on to win the final against Argentina, Brazil would have to settle for a third place finish match against the Dutch... only to lose yet again 0-2.0-3. This will ''not'' ever leave Brazil's consciousness for quite some time. To the point it reached MemeticMutation, with subsequent bad performances of the national team (or the country itself) having Brazilians react with "Germany goal!" and "7-1 wasn't enough!".
2nd Mar '16 8:47:45 PM LtFedora
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** The raid also had a vital strategic effect, albeit it wasn't appreciated or understood at the time. Japan's home defense fleet was very weak, so they recalled a fleet that was heading for the Indian Ocean. This gave the Royal Navy a much-needed breather to regroup and regain its strength in the Pacific.

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** The raid also had a vital strategic effect, albeit it wasn't appreciated or understood at the time.effect. Japan's home defense fleet was very weak, so they recalled a fleet that was heading for the Indian Ocean. This gave the Royal Navy a much-needed breather to regroup and regain its strength in the Pacific.
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