History Main / ShockingDefeatLegacy

23rd Mar '17 7:51:20 PM Doug86
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*** In some StarTrekExpandedUniverse books, this happened in the MirrorUniverse after the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance defeated the Terran Empire. As punishment, and an example, they turned Earth into a lifeless rock, possibly Vulcan as well.

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*** In some StarTrekExpandedUniverse Franchise/StarTrekExpandedUniverse books, this happened in the MirrorUniverse after the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance defeated the Terran Empire. As punishment, and an example, they turned Earth into a lifeless rock, possibly Vulcan as well.
20th Mar '17 11:40:37 AM ChronoLegion
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* The entire First Opium War was this to China. China's capitulation and the total lack of ''any'' CurbStompCushion in sight humbled the Chinese and marked the begining of a era of being forced to negotiate from a position of weakness, and ending one of China's nigh-complete superiority over her smaller neighboring nations, one of which would even join the Western Powers in imposing their will on China. They even came up with the term [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty Unequal Treaty]] to describe the treaties that resulted from these losses. [[{{Hypocrite}} despite having forced unfair treaties favoring China onto her neighbors, and provoked the first of them by refusing to deal with Britain as equals, and seeing the British as a mere future Vassal State]]. [[{{EvilColonialist}} The Western powers and Japan did proceed to carve Chinese territory up like pizza ]]. To this day, Chinese Communist Propaganda brings up the "Unequal Treaties" whenever deals with a western power fail to favor China as heavily as they would like.

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* The entire First Opium War was this to China. China's capitulation and the total lack of ''any'' CurbStompCushion in sight humbled the Chinese and marked the begining of a era of being forced to negotiate from a position of weakness, and ending one of China's nigh-complete superiority over her smaller neighboring nations, one of which would even join the Western Powers in imposing their will on China. They even came up with the term [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty Unequal Treaty]] to describe the treaties that resulted from these losses. [[{{Hypocrite}} despite having forced unfair treaties favoring China onto her neighbors, and provoked the first of them by refusing to deal with Britain as equals, and seeing the British as a mere future Vassal State]]. [[{{EvilColonialist}} The Western powers and Japan did proceed to carve Chinese territory up like pizza ]]. To this day, Chinese Communist Propaganda brings up the "Unequal Treaties" whenever deals with a western power fail to favor China as heavily as they would like. At the same time, they try to soften the bitter memory of the Opium War by using propaganda to claim that peasants with pitchforks rallied well-trained British troops and insisting that it was the first blow against Western imperialism by the proletariat.
6th Mar '17 1:15:03 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' contains two examples in one battle. First the Empire takes Corellia (a founding Republic world and major industrial center) out of nowhere; the shock is only enhanced when it's discovered that it wasn't totally a military conquest, and that Corellia's ruling body actually ''defected'' to the Empire. It flips around when the Republic rallies to take Corellia back, and in the process kills off half the Dark Council and a significant percentage of the Empire's military.

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* ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' contains two examples in one battle. First the Empire takes Corellia (a founding Republic world and major industrial center) out of nowhere; the shock is only enhanced when it's discovered that it wasn't totally a military conquest, and that Corellia's ruling body actually ''defected'' to the Empire. It flips around when the Republic rallies to take Corellia back, and in the process kills off half the Dark Council and a significant percentage of the Empire's military.
military.This was largly due to a frankly ludicrous GambitPileup caused by all 8 class plotlines coming to a head at the same place and time.
19th Feb '17 5:17:14 PM nombretomado
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* End of ''CodeGeass'' season one when the [[{{LaResistance}} Black Rebellion]] fails spectacularly in the throes of what almost looked like their Finest Hour. HistoryRepeats in season two when the Black Knights are AGAIN defeated, this time by Lelouch, amplified by the fact that it means he now [[{{TakeOverTheWorld}} rules the world]] with an iron fist. [[spoiler: Which is then followed up by him being publicly assassinated by Zero - actually Suzaku in Zero's costume - at his apparent moment of triumph, in order to cement the final step of his [[ThanatosGambit Zero Requiem]]: [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans making himself into an effigy of all the evils of the world and then dying, taking all the world's hatred with him.]]]]

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* End of ''CodeGeass'' ''Anime/CodeGeass'' season one when the [[{{LaResistance}} Black Rebellion]] fails spectacularly in the throes of what almost looked like their Finest Hour. HistoryRepeats in season two when the Black Knights are AGAIN defeated, this time by Lelouch, amplified by the fact that it means he now [[{{TakeOverTheWorld}} rules the world]] with an iron fist. [[spoiler: Which is then followed up by him being publicly assassinated by Zero - actually Suzaku in Zero's costume - at his apparent moment of triumph, in order to cement the final step of his [[ThanatosGambit Zero Requiem]]: [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans making himself into an effigy of all the evils of the world and then dying, taking all the world's hatred with him.]]]]
9th Feb '17 3:26:01 PM KaputExaltation
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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and iconic in universe. One faction might be fighting an intergalactic war with ScaryDogmaticAliens, but there's one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell of falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet that's fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron of [[Franchise/StarWars Sun Crushers]] and an armada of [[VideoGame/EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], guarded by battalions of Anime/{{Voltron}}s and other CombiningMecha, [[Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross SDF fleets and Valkyries]].

But in the end, said planet falls, sending a chilling wave down the spines of TheFederation. Sometimes it could be a turning point in the war, but not always. A faction can suffer these defeats and not necessarily be defeated. But it's still a crippling loss that'll at least slow them down significantly. Sometimes these defeats are due to [[FailedASpotCheck surprise attacks]]. Could end up as a PyrrhicVictory for the attackers. Sometimes it's described as a NoodleIncident in some stories. This is usually TheWorfEffect, but for battles/wars (or even sports) instead of individuals. Usually to show how high the stakes is.

Usually overlaps with HopelessWar, RememberTheAlamo, and LastStand. Often can be a DecisiveBattle, if the balance of power is dramatically shifted as well. See also the sub-trope CapitalOffensive.

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In fiction (and in RealLife) during a great war there's a certain strategic loss that is very significant to the point of being demoralizing, shocking, and iconic in universe. One faction might be

As an example: TheFederation is
fighting an intergalactic war with against ScaryDogmaticAliens, but there's [[TemptingFate one place in the galaxy that has no chance in hell hell]] of ever falling at the hands of the enemy. Perhaps it's a planet enemy: A [[PlanetSpaceship planet-sized starship]] that's armed with [[WaveMotionGun weapons of]] [[EarthShatteringKaboom mass destruction]], fortified by surrounding KillSat, a squadron thousands of [[Franchise/StarWars Sun Crushers]] and [[KillSat automated]] [[AttackDrone defenses]], an armada of [[VideoGame/EVEOnline Titan-class motherships]], [[TheBattlestar the most powerful]] [[LightningBruiser warships ever built]], guarded by battalions of Anime/{{Voltron}}s countless [[SpaceFighter space fighters]], [[HumongousMecha mechanized infantry]], and other CombiningMecha, [[Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross SDF fleets and Valkyries]].

But in the end, said
[[SuperSoldier genetically bred]] [[SpaceMarine elite warriors]].

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planet falls, falls anyway]], [[OhCrap sending a chilling wave down the spines of TheFederation. the Federation]]. Sometimes it could be a [[DecisiveBattle turning point in the war, war]], but not always. A always: any faction can could suffer these defeats a defeat like this and not necessarily be defeated. But it's still a crippling loss that'll at least slow them down significantly. Sometimes these defeats are Perhaps this defeat was due to a [[FailedASpotCheck surprise attacks]]. attack]]. Could end up as have been a PyrrhicVictory for the attackers. Sometimes it's described as a NoodleIncident in some stories. What ever the reason, it's still an incredible loss, and [[NeverLiveItDown no one will ever forget it]].

This is usually TheWorfEffect, but for battles/wars essentially TheWorfEffect applied to an entire battle or war (or even sports) a sport) instead of individuals. Usually individuals, typically used to show how high the stakes is.

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are.

This trope usually
overlaps with HopelessWar, RememberTheAlamo, and LastStand. Often can be a DecisiveBattle, if the balance of power is dramatically shifted as well. See also the sub-trope CapitalOffensive.
CapitalOffensive.
21st Jan '17 6:48:11 PM Piromano80
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* TheWorldCup has at least three finals, 1950 (Brazil loses at home; 5 titles later, it's still a sore point), 1954 (DarkHorseVictory of Germany over the heavily-favored Hungary) and 1974 (DarkHorseVictory of Germany over the heavily-favored Netherlands... though not as unexpected as the previous one).

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* TheWorldCup has at least three finals, 1950 (Brazil loses to Uruguay at home; 5 titles later, it's still a sore point), 1954 (DarkHorseVictory of Germany over the heavily-favored Hungary) and 1974 (DarkHorseVictory of Germany over the heavily-favored Netherlands... though not as unexpected as the previous one).
5th Jan '17 3:29:58 PM Scistorm
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** To elaborate: Borg cubes had been probing the Federation's outer defenses for weeks, inflicting huge numbers of causalities. An investigation found that the ships were coming from a wormhole in the Azure Nebula. The Federation sent ships there to guard the line if any more ships came out, and were quickly reinforced by the Klingons. Some politics behind the scenes also managed to get aid from many other major powers, even those unfriendly to the Federation. In total, there were over 300 allied ships at the Nebula, and were said to have enough firepower to take on ''ten'' Borg cubes. [[spoiler:Then the wormhole opened and ''over 7500'' Borg ships came through. The allied force barely qualified as a nuisance, [[PlotArmor and only ''Voyager'' survived]].]]
12th Dec '16 12:56:12 AM Medinoc
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* The Dropsite Massacre of Isstvan V from the ''Literature/HorusHeresy''. Four noble space marine legions had suddenly turned traitor and fortified themselves on said planet (after burning Isstvan III and purging their own ranks of traitors), an overwhelming seven legions were sent to crush the rebellion before it could spread. Instead, four of those legions turned traitor too, and all of them caught the remaining three loyalist legions in a crossfire that saw hundreds of thousands dead. It went FromBadToWorse from there...

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* The Dropsite Massacre of Isstvan V from the ''Literature/HorusHeresy''. Four noble space marine legions had suddenly turned traitor and fortified themselves on said planet (after burning Isstvan III and purging their own ranks of traitors), loyalists), an overwhelming seven legions were sent to crush the rebellion before it could spread. Instead, four of those legions turned traitor too, and all of them caught the remaining three loyalist legions in a crossfire that saw hundreds of thousands dead. It went FromBadToWorse from there...
9th Dec '16 11:13:13 AM Sulphuristical
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* The Battle of Ksar El Kebir in 1578 was this for the Portuguese Empire. With the empire already becoming stagnant, a massive fortune was then spent in amassing one of the largest and most well equiped land armies in Europe at the time, in an attempt by the young Portuguese king to expand their holdings in North Africa. However, they were met by the Moors and their Ottoman allies, who vastly outnumbered them. The Portuguese army fought valiantly, but was utterly crushed, the king missing or dead, and thousands of noblemen made prisoner. Another vast fortune was spent ransoming them back, and, since the king had disappeared without producing an heir, shortly after the country was taken over by the Spanish in a Personal Union, which lasted for sixty years, during which Portugal further lost a great amount of power, colonies, and influence.

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* The Battle of Ksar El Kebir in 1578 was this for the Portuguese Empire. With the empire already becoming stagnant, a massive fortune was then spent in amassing one of the largest and most well equiped land armies in Europe at the time, in an attempt by the young Portuguese king to expand their holdings in North Africa. However, they were met by the Moors and their Ottoman allies, who vastly outnumbered them. The Portuguese army fought valiantly, but was utterly crushed, the king missing or dead, and thousands of noblemen made prisoner. Another vast fortune was spent ransoming them back, and, since the king had disappeared without producing an heir, shortly after the country was taken over by the Spanish in a Personal Union, which lasted for sixty years, during which Portugal could only watch as they further lost a great amount of power, colonies, and influence.
influence. By the time they got their independence back, the other nations of Europe, with their superior economies and manpower, were well underway in their own discovery and colonisation efforts, and for Portugal there was no going back to their former glory.
9th Dec '16 11:10:01 AM Sulphuristical
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* The Battle of Ksar El Kebir in 1578 was this for the Portuguese Empire. With the empire already becoming stagnant, a massive fortune was then spent in amassing one of the largest and most well equiped land armies in Europe at the time, in an attempt by the young Portuguese king to expand their holdings in North Africa. However, they were met by the Moors and their Ottoman allies, who vastly outnumbered them. The Portuguese army fought valiantly, but was utterly crushed, the king missing or dead, and thousands of noblemen made prisoner. Another vast fortune was spent ransoming them back, and, since the king had disappeared without producing an heir, shortly after the country was taken over by the Spanish in a Personal Union, which lasted for sixty years, during which Portugal further lost a great amount of power, colonies, and influence.
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