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* The Bill Prozini short-short "The Prophecy" tells of a famous seer predicting that the world will end on a specific day at high noon. He's never been wrong before, the world holds its breath, the moment arrives and... [[spoiler: nothing happens. It turns out the prophecy was indeed wrong. By two hours and forty five minutes.]]
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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Encanto}}'' All of Bruno's prophecies come true, though some are simple facts of life (your goldfish will die, you will go bald) while others are complex and harder to understand, [[spoiler: such as why Mirabel was seen in front of a crumbing Casita,]] until after they've happened. However some have elements of SelfFulfillingProphecy, such as his prediction for his niece Dolores that the love of her life "would be just out of reach, betrothed to another" meaning she never approached him.
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*** Another one occurred in "Empire" when Vader tells Luke that he had foreseen the two of them managing to "end this destructive conflict" and "bring order to the galaxy" as father and son. Vader clearly thought this meant WeCouldRuleTogether, and could even have been lying to sway Luke to his side, but the pair ''do'' manage to end the war and bring peace to the Galaxy by killing the Emperor.

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*** Another one occurred in "Empire" when Vader tells Luke that he had foreseen the two of them managing to "end this destructive conflict" and "bring order to the galaxy" as father and son. Vader clearly thought this meant WeCouldRuleTogether, WeCanRuleTogether, and could even have been lying to sway Luke to his side, but the pair ''do'' manage to end the war and bring peace to the Galaxy by killing the Emperor.
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*** Another one occurred in "Empire" when Vader tells Luke that he had foreseen the two of them ruling the galaxy as father and son but it might have been a lie to try to get Luke to join him.

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*** Another one occurred in "Empire" when Vader tells Luke that he had foreseen the two of them ruling managing to "end this destructive conflict" and "bring order to the galaxy galaxy" as father and son but it might son. Vader clearly thought this meant WeCouldRuleTogether, and could even have been a lie lying to try to get sway Luke to join him.his side, but the pair ''do'' manage to end the war and bring peace to the Galaxy by killing the Emperor.



** Yoda does warn that "always in motion is the future", so prophecies made by Jedi (or Sith) should never be taken as absolute. As circumstances change, so too do the foretold events. And moreover, what you ''think'' a prophecy foretells and what it ''actually'' foretells aren't necessarily the same thing.

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** Yoda does warn that "always in motion is the future", so prophecies made by Jedi (or Sith) should never be taken as absolute. As circumstances change, so too do the foretold events. And moreover, what you ''think'' a prophecy foretells and what it ''actually'' foretells aren't necessarily the same thing. Many of the examples listed above play this out, as the prophecies ''are'' true, but are misinterpreted by the biases of the people making them.
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* ''Literature/MagicForLiars'' has a B-plot about Dylan DeCambrey, who is obsessed with fulfilling a family prophecy as [[TheChosenOne the greatest mage of his generation]]. [[spoiler:Turns out it meant his half-sister.]]
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** Glorfindel prophesied that the Witch-King would not fall by the hand of any man; and he is indeed killed instead by a woman.

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** Glorfindel prophesied that the Witch-King of Angmar would not fall by the hand of any man; and he is indeed [[ProphecyTwist killed instead by a woman.woman]].
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* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'': The ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes transport three Leaguers into the future, knowing that "incomplete records" indicate that one of the three won't make it back alive. The subversion comes in when all three heroes ''do" survive the mission, but one of them [[IChooseToStay chooses to stay in the future of her own volition]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'': The ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes transport three Leaguers into the future, knowing that "incomplete records" indicate that one of the three won't make it back alive. The subversion comes in Subverted when all three heroes ''do" survive the mission, but one of them [[IChooseToStay chooses to stay in the future of her own volition]].
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* ''Anime/MaiOtome'': The legend of the Tragic Meister had almost nothing to do with the actual events that led to Mai Tokiha's disappearance; the real story was considerably less tragic, to say the least. However, the same series includes a straight example of this trope (although if the characters knew the circumstances under which the legend of the Guiding Star was fulfilled, it would definitely have quite a few eyebrows raised).

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* ''Anime/MaiOtome'': ''Anime/MyOtome'': The legend of the Tragic Meister had almost nothing to do with the actual events that led to Mai Tokiha's disappearance; the real story was considerably less tragic, to say the least. However, the same series includes a straight example of this trope (although if the characters knew the circumstances under which the legend of the Guiding Star was fulfilled, it would definitely have quite a few eyebrows raised).
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* ''Fanfic/TheBoltChronicles'': In "The Seer," Kelvin the Labradoodle is able to predict the future, and from what the story suggests, he's always right. He correctly prophesizes Mittens's imminent karmic meeting with Bolt, among other things.

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* ''Fanfic/TheBoltChronicles'': In "The Protection Payment" and "The Seer," Kelvin the Labradoodle labradoodle is able to predict the future, and from what the story suggests, stories suggest, he's always right. He correctly prophesizes Mittens's imminent karmic meeting with Bolt, among other things.
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* In ''Literature/SevenStars'', a set of prophecies by UsefulNotes/{{Nostradamus}} (the "suppressed quatrains") are a recurring plot point. They all come true, although sometimes in ways that are only clear once they've happened.
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See also SelfFulfillingProphecy, where the ''knowledge of'' a prophecy spurs the actions that (whether intentionally or not) ultimately fulfill it. Contrast SelfDefeatingProphecy, where knowing the prophecy allows people to make it false.

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See also SelfFulfillingProphecy, where the ''knowledge of'' a prophecy spurs the actions that (whether intentionally or not) ultimately fulfill it. Contrast SelfDefeatingProphecy, where knowing the prophecy allows people to make it false.
false, and ThreadOfProphecySevered, where something goes wrong with the prophecy to cause it to fail.
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* Tsunekichi Hatadaira from ''Manga/TalentlessNana'' has the "Talent" of prophetic dreams, which he documents using a Polaroid camera. The scenes depicted in them ''always'' come true and attempting to avoid said fates oftentimes causes them to play out anyway. The most prominent example is a prophecy of him failing his high school entrance exam; he attempted to cram all night, got violently ill on test day, and flunked it as a result.
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* ''Fanfic/{{HERZ}}'': Subverted. SEELE was fully confident on their victory because they thought that it was prophesized in the Dead Sea Scrolls. So that in order to stop them the Children came up with a scheme was not written in the _Scrolls. Secret organization's GEIST's leader remarked that prophecies may be broken.

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* ''Fanfic/{{HERZ}}'': Subverted. SEELE was fully confident on their victory because they thought that it was prophesized in the Dead Sea Scrolls. So that in order to stop them the Children came up with a scheme was not written in the _Scrolls.Scrolls. Secret organization's GEIST's leader remarked that prophecies may be broken.
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-->'''Kelvin''': It’s a gift. I get these nagging sensations in my gut and my bones, and I see apparitions from the future. Among other things, I predicted Pluto would be demoted to a dwarf planet, Kosovo would declare its independence from Serbia, and Carrie Underwood would win ‘American Idol.’ Haven't missed with a single prophesy yet.

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-->'''Kelvin''': -->'''Kelvin:''' It’s a gift. I get these nagging sensations in my gut and my bones, and I see apparitions from the future. Among other things, I predicted Pluto would be demoted to a dwarf planet, Kosovo would declare its independence from Serbia, and Carrie Underwood would win ‘American Idol.’ Haven't missed with a single prophesy yet.
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* Similarly, in Verdi's opera ''A Masked Ball'', King Riccardo of Sweden visits the gypsy fortuneteller Ulrica, who foretells that he will be murdered by the man whose hand he will shake. In an attempt to disprove the prophecy, Riccardo shakes the hand of his best friend and secretary Renato. In this case, however, it turns out to be a SelfFulfillingProphecy: [[spoiler: Riccardo is in love with Renato's wife Amelia, and Renato, erroneously believing his wife to be faithless, [[MurderTheHypotenuse shoots Riccardo at the titular masked ball]]]].

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* Similarly, in Verdi's opera ''A Masked Ball'', King Riccardo of Sweden visits the gypsy fortuneteller Ulrica, who foretells that he will be murdered by the next man whose hand he will shake. In an attempt to disprove the prophecy, Riccardo shakes the hand of his best friend and secretary Renato. In this case, however, it turns out to be a SelfFulfillingProphecy: [[spoiler: Riccardo is in love with Renato's wife Amelia, and Renato, erroneously believing his wife to be faithless, [[MurderTheHypotenuse shoots Riccardo at the titular masked ball]]]].
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* An odd example comes up in the fourth book of the ''Fanfic/{{Dangerverse}}'', in which a prophecy warns of a potential attack on the Den, and then the next several lines are instructions on what to do in response to that attack succeeding. In theory, a large chunk of the prophecy could have been negated if the Pack-adults had paid closer attention to the earlier lines and stopped the attack on the Den. In the actual story, of course, they miss this and the attack goes off as planned, bringing the next set of lines into play.
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** Prophecy in the series also often has the twist of becoming true because of people directly acting to fulfill or avoid the fulfillment of the For example, Cersei Lannister's predicted future by Maggie the Frog has been eerily accurate. It's beginning to become implied that the things Cersei does in fear of the prophecy are, in actuality, directly fulfilling the things that have yet to come which she fears most.

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** Prophecy in the series also often has the twist of becoming true because of people directly acting to fulfill or avoid the fulfillment of the For example, Cersei Lannister's predicted future by Maggie Maggy the Frog has been eerily accurate. It's beginning to become implied that the things Cersei does in fear of the prophecy are, in actuality, directly fulfilling the things that have yet to come which she fears most.

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* In ''ComicBook/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast'', Link is told he's destined to save Hyrule, and that's exactly what he does.
* ''ComicBook/TheKryptonChronicles'' has Jaf-El, a distant ancestor of Franchise/{{Superman}} and ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}, whose prophecies always turned out to be right. He stated the sun would turn yellow and it happened. He foretold a big disaster, and his home city was flooded by a great deluge. He warned Krypton would be destroyed in the far future, and as a matter of fact, the planet exploded.
* ''ComicBook/{{Aquila}}'': Boudicca is given a vision that the Britons will one day free themselves and rule an Empire greater even than the Roman one, while Locusta foresees that there will be a new god taking power in Rome, although she thinks it will be Nero. Triscus also foresees that Pompeii won't be a good place to be in a while.
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* ''Fanfic/ThousandShinji'': Subverted. The Dead Sea Scrolls's prophecies were a reliable guide... until the moment of [[spoiler:Third Impact, when they went completely wrong due to the meddling of the ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' gods]].

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* ''Fanfic/ThousandShinji'': Subverted. The Dead Sea Scrolls's prophecies were a reliable guide... until the moment of [[spoiler:Third Impact, when they went completely wrong due to the meddling of the ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' gods]].
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* ''Fanfic/TheBoltChronicles'': In "The Seer," Kelvin the Labradoodle is able to predict the future, and from what the story suggests, he's always right. He correctly prophesizes Mittens's imminent karmic meeting with Bolt, among other things.
-->'''Kelvin''': It’s a gift. I get these nagging sensations in my gut and my bones, and I see apparitions from the future. Among other things, I predicted Pluto would be demoted to a dwarf planet, Kosovo would declare its independence from Serbia, and Carrie Underwood would win ‘American Idol.’ Haven't missed with a single prophesy yet.
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* ''Literature/TheReluctantKing'': A plot point in the second book, where two prophecies made by the high priest and the high priestess of the city foretell that 1) Iraz will be saved by the clock tower and that 2) Iraz will later be saved by a barbarian, and thus apparently contradicting each other. Turns out, ''both'' are correct: Jorian (who's a foreigner and thus considered a barbarian by Iraz' standards) saves the city from the besieging armies by changing the hour on each of the four clocks so that their coordinated attack is thrown into disarray, with each of the four armies attacking separately and ending up destroyed.
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* In ''Fanfic/TheLastSon'', BlindSeer Irene Adler insists that her prophecies are never wrong, even when Mystique tries to argue that she's got her first blemish on her record, as Franchise/{{Superman}} refused to join with Magneto to rule mutantkind. Adler however refutes that, when Superman destroyed the meteors that Magneto tried to drag to Earth to destroy humankind and claim the planet for mutants, he fulfilled the first part of the prophecy ''("[[DeathFromAbove Death will fall from the sky]], [[ColonyDrop with unquenchable fire]], but the Child will strive on, and shall never tire")''. Adler states that her prophecy isn't wrong, just still on track, and that Mystique and Magneto simply misinterpreted Superman's destiny.
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* In ''Series/RedDwarf'' Season VIII, the crew come across Cassandra, a computer that can supposedly predict the future with 100% accuracy. The thing is, while she can predict the future perfectly, she can also lie about what she sees.

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* In the ''Series/RedDwarf'' Season VIII, episode "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonVIIICassandra Cassandra]]", the crew come across Cassandra, a computer that can supposedly predict the future with 100% accuracy. The thing is, while she can predict the future perfectly, she can also lie about what she sees.
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* Subverted on ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' though; the prophecy about Buffy says she's going to die to free the Master--she does, technically, but is revived by {{CPR|CleanPrettyReliable}}, and is more or less prophecy-free from there on out.

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* Subverted on ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' though; in "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS1E12ProphecyGirl Prophecy Girl]]", the prophecy about Buffy says she's going to die to free the Master--she does, technically, but is revived by {{CPR|CleanPrettyReliable}}, and is more or less prophecy-free from there on out.
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** The 'Always' part of the trope is, however, averted, because it's mentioned that Agnes Nutter is the only prophet in human history to have 100% accurate prophecies (which is speculated as the reason [[CassandraTruth why her book didn't sell). While other famous prophets of human history such as St. John, Nostradamus and St. Malachi had some seer-abilities, they were muddled by Heaven and\or Hell sending some interferences into their 'mental channels', by the prophets themselves often developing substance abuse habits to cope with the flood of information they recieve from the future, and prophets prioritizing rhyming and meter over total accuracy when writing their visions down. So most prophecies include some element of the truth, but also some major inaccuracies. Save for Agnes Nutter.

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** The 'Always' part of the trope is, however, averted, because it's mentioned that Agnes Nutter is the only prophet in human history to have 100% accurate prophecies (which is speculated as the reason [[CassandraTruth why her book didn't sell).sell]]). While other famous prophets of human history such as St. John, Nostradamus and St. Malachi had some seer-abilities, they were muddled by Heaven and\or Hell sending some interferences into their 'mental channels', by the prophets themselves often developing substance abuse habits to cope with the flood of information they recieve from the future, and prophets prioritizing rhyming and meter over total accuracy when writing their visions down. So most prophecies include some element of the truth, but also some major inaccuracies. Save for Agnes Nutter.
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** The 'Always' part of the trope is, however, averted, because it's mentioned that Agnes Nutter is the only prophet in human history to have 100% accurate prophecies (which is speculated as the reason [[CassandraTruth why her book didn't sell). While other famous prophets of human history such as St. John, Nostradamus and St. Malachi had some seer-abilities, they were muddled by Heaven and\or Hell sending some interferences into their 'mental channels', by the prophets themselves often developing substance abuse habits to cope with the flood of information they recieve from the future, and prophets prioritizing rhyming and meter over total accuracy when writing their visions down. So most prophecies include some element of the truth, but also some major inaccuracies. Save for Agnes Nutter.
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-->-- '''[[HistoricalDomainCharacter Robert]] [[PhonyPsychic James]] Lees''', ''Comicbook/FromHell''

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* Similar to ''Toy Story 2'' above, in ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', King Candy [[spoiler: (aka Turbo)]] refuses to let Vanellope race because he thinks her actions will cause ''Sugar Rush'' to be unplugged. In ''Disney/RalphBreaksTheInternet'', Vanellope does exactly that!

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* Similar to ''Toy Story 2'' above, in ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', ''WesternAnimation/WreckItRalph'', King Candy [[spoiler: (aka Turbo)]] refuses to let Vanellope race because he thinks her actions will cause ''Sugar Rush'' to be unplugged. In ''Disney/RalphBreaksTheInternet'', ''WesternAnimation/RalphBreaksTheInternet'', Vanellope does exactly that!

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* Touched upon in the ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'' series by Creator/IsaacAsimov:
** In ''Literature/TheEncyclopedists'', long-dead Hari Seldon appears during the 50th anniversary of colonizing Terminus via hologram. He announces that the Encyclopedia Foundation is a fraud, and that Terminus was actually founded as the next Galactic Empire. He also points out that they're already in the middle of their first socio-political crisis, and the solution to their problem is "obvious". Which the resolution of the story proves right.
** Played with in ''Literature/FoundationAndEmpire''. Before his death, Seldon recorded several messages about what will happen to the Foundation--and arranges for the messages to be played just ''after'' the events he foresees have taken place. The main effect is to reassure the Foundation that everything is on track. But Seldon is unable to foresee the threat posed by the (mutant) Mule--so when the Foundation watches Seldon's new message, expecting to hear a prophecy about the war they're fighting against the Mule's new Empire, they hear instead a completely wrong prophecy about a Foundation civil war (that never happened, since the factions involved all saw the Mule as a greater threat).

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* Touched upon in Creator/IsaacAsimov's ''Literature/FoundationSeries'': Before his death, Dr Hari Seldon records several messages prophesying about what will happen to the ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'' series by Creator/IsaacAsimov:
Foundation--and arranges for these messages to be played during the nearest [[FoundingDay anniversary of colonization]]. The main effect is to reassure the Foundation that everything is on track.
** In ''Literature/TheEncyclopedists'', "Literature/TheEncyclopedists", long-dead Hari Seldon appears during the 50th anniversary of colonizing Terminus via hologram. He announces that the Encyclopedia Foundation is a fraud, and that Terminus was actually founded as the next Galactic Empire. He also points out that they're already in the middle of their first socio-political crisis, and the solution to their problem is "obvious". Which the resolution of the story proves right.
** Played with in ''Literature/FoundationAndEmpire''. Before his death, Seldon recorded several messages about what will happen to "Literature/TheMayors": During the Foundation--and arranges for the messages to be played just ''after'' the events he foresees have taken place. The main effect is to reassure [[FoundingDay 75th anniversary of the Foundation that everything is on track. But colonizing Terminus]], a {{hologram}} of [[PosthumousCharacter the dead]] Hari Seldon is unable to foresee appears, and [[AllAccordingToPlan describes the threat posed by the (mutant) Mule--so when way the Foundation watches Seldon's new message, expecting has used religion to subvert control from their more powerful neighbors]]. He also points out the "BalanceOfPower" that was used this time and last time will not be enough for the next crisis, occurring in "Literature/TheMerchantPrinces".
** "Literature/TheMule": When the {{hologram}} of [[PosthumousCharacter Hari Seldon]] appears, the Foundation expects
to hear a prophecy about the war they're fighting against the Mule's new Empire, but they hear instead hear a [[SubvertedTrope completely wrong prophecy prophecy]] about a Foundation civil war (that ([[ConflictKiller that never happened, since the factions involved all saw the Mule as a greater threat).threat]]). [[spoiler:And DoubleSubverted when the Second Foundation, whose job it is to [[XanatosSpeedChess account for the unexpected as it appears]] manages to get the Seldon Plan back on track before the events of ''Literature/FoundationsEdge''.]]

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* Played with in ''Literature/FoundationAndEmpire''. Before his death, Foundation founder Hari Seldon records several messages about what will happen to the Foundation--and arranges for the messages to be played just ''after'' the events he foresees has taken place. The main effect is to reassure the Foundation that everything is on track. But Seldon is unable to foresee the threat posed by the (mutant) Mule--so when the Foundation watches Seldon's new message, expecting to hear a prophecy about the war they're fighting against the Mule's new Empire, they hear instead a completely wrong prophecy about a Foundation civil war (that never happened, since the factions involved all saw the Mule as a greater threat).

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* *Touched upon in the ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'' series by Creator/IsaacAsimov:
** In ''Literature/TheEncyclopedists'', long-dead Hari Seldon appears during the 50th anniversary of colonizing Terminus via hologram. He announces that the Encyclopedia Foundation is a fraud, and that Terminus was actually founded as the next Galactic Empire. He also points out that they're already in the middle of their first socio-political crisis, and the solution to their problem is "obvious". Which the resolution of the story proves right.
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Played with in ''Literature/FoundationAndEmpire''. Before his death, Foundation founder Hari Seldon records recorded several messages about what will happen to the Foundation--and arranges for the messages to be played just ''after'' the events he foresees has have taken place. The main effect is to reassure the Foundation that everything is on track. But Seldon is unable to foresee the threat posed by the (mutant) Mule--so when the Foundation watches Seldon's new message, expecting to hear a prophecy about the war they're fighting against the Mule's new Empire, they hear instead a completely wrong prophecy about a Foundation civil war (that never happened, since the factions involved all saw the Mule as a greater threat).

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