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3rd Jul '16 3:48:53 PM Jappus
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** Further more, there exists [[http://www.iep.utm.edu/brainvat/#H4 at least one proof]], that shows that we are '''not''' brains in a vat. The problem comes in, when you realize, that nothing stops an ''actual'' brain in a vat to use the same argument to come to the same conclusion. Make of that what you will...
22nd Jun '16 7:30:19 AM MrItty
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* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'': Professor Moriarty discovers that he's a character in a holodeck fantasy, and it even gets down to the point where he is questioning the memories and personality he was programmed with, rejecting them for a chance at a new identity and existence. When Picard fails to live up to his promise, a follow-up episode has Moriarty trapping Picard and Data in one of these briefly leading Picard to muse that [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall their own reality might be a Platonic Cave]].
* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' has the Q create a representational reality that reflects the basic ideas of the Q Continuum for us mere mortals (though they don't try to fool the humans into thinking it's real, it at least suggests that there is more to reality than they're capable of handling).

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* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'': ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'':
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Professor Moriarty discovers that he's a character in a holodeck fantasy, and it even gets down to the point where he is questioning the memories and personality he was programmed with, rejecting them for a chance at a new identity and existence. When Picard fails to live up to his promise, a follow-up episode has Moriarty trapping Picard and Data in one of these briefly leading Picard to muse that [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall their own reality might be a Platonic Cave]].
** Picard is trapped in another in "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS5E25TheInnerLight The Inner Light]]," experiencing an entire lifetime of a [[spoiler:long-dead]] alien named Kaylen, believing it to be reality.
** Riker is trapped in a two-layer cave in "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS4E8FutureImperfect Future Imperfect]]," first being made to think he's in the future and suffering from amnesia, and then being made to believe that '''that''' was a holodeck simulation by his captors, the Romulans. In reality, it was a dual-cave created by [[spoiler:a child alien who took up a role in both cave simulations]]
** Riker finds himself in yet another in "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS6E19FrameOfMind Frame of Mind]]," as he is constantly shifting between two separate realities. In one he is on the ship acting in a play, in the other he is a patient/prisoner on an alien world. The episode centers on Riker slowly losing grip on reality as he tries to figure out which reality is real and which is a Platonic Cave.
* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' has The ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' episode "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS04E19HardTime Hard Time]]" deals with the fallout of O'Brien having been forced into a Platonic Cave as punishment by an alien species. In his cave, he was forced to experience 20 years worth of memories of being a prisoner.
* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager''
** In both "[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS2E18DeathWish Death Wish]]" and "[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS3E10TheQAndTheGrey The Q and the Grey]],"
the Q create a representational reality that reflects the basic ideas of the Q Continuum for us mere mortals (though they don't try to fool the humans into thinking it's real, it at least suggests that there is more to reality than they're capable of handling).handling).
** Several episodes dealt with fictional holodeck characters gradually coming to understand that their entire existence is within a cave from the point of view of the main cast. This includes holodeck representations of Leondardo da Vinci ("[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS4E10ConcerningFlight Concerning Flight]]"), and the entire town of Fair Haven ("[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS6E11FairHaven Fair Haven]]")
17th May '16 11:48:16 AM TimSC
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* ''Series/RedDwarf'': In "Back to Reality", the characters wake up to find they have apparently been in an immersive computer game and when outside the game, they have very different identities. However, they later discover this itself is an alternative reality created by a predatory despair squid in an attempt to drive them to suicide.



** G'kar tries to use this idea to explain a point of his philosophy. When his acolytes don't get it he just gives up and starts spouting nonsense metaphors.
** Sheridan spends some time in one [[spoiler:when he dies on Z'ha'dum]]. He only gets out of it when he comes up with something worth living for.

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** G'kar tries to use While being interrogated in "And a sky full of stars", Sinclair is [[spoiler:trapped in a cybernet chair in which he experience an alternate reality]].
** In "Spider in the Web", Abel Horn is turned into a cybernetically controlled assassin by telepathically locking his mind at his moment of death, so
this idea to explain a point of becomes his philosophy. When his acolytes don't get it he just gives up and starts spouting nonsense metaphors.
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** Sheridan possibly spends some time in one [[spoiler:when he dies on Z'ha'dum]]. He only gets out of it when he comes up with something worth living for.for.
** In a "Race through Dark Places", Bester is telepathically tricked into thinking he has completed his mission.
** Londo is trapped in a telepathic drug induced reality by G'Kar in "Dust to Dust".


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* The rock band ''Queen'' asked "Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?" in their song ''Bohemian Rhapsody''.
13th May '16 6:44:20 PM DarkLotus
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* ''Film/Dogtooth'': The siblings have never left their house since they were born and don't have contact with people from outside. The reality they know is a fiction their parents created to isolate then from the real world.

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* ''Film/Dogtooth'': ''Film/{{Dogtooth}}'' The siblings have never left their house since they were born and don't have contact with people from outside. The reality they know is a fiction their parents created to isolate then from the real world.
13th May '16 6:38:06 PM DarkLotus
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* ''Film/Dogtooth'': The siblings have never left their house since they were born and don't have contact with people from outside. The reality they know is a fiction their parents created to isolate then from the real world.
30th Apr '16 6:46:12 PM WillKeaton
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* The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat Brain In A Vat]], a concept where, if your brain was floating in a vat of life-supporting fluid, and wired up to a supercomputer designed to simulate reality, processing output from your brain and responding with appropriate input, there would be absolutely no way at all for you to determine that this was the case.

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* The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat Brain In A Vat]], Vat,]] a concept where, if your brain was floating in a vat of life-supporting fluid, and wired up to a supercomputer designed to simulate reality, processing output from your brain and responding with appropriate input, there would be absolutely no way at all for you to determine that this was the case.
29th Apr '16 7:10:50 PM Salama
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* ''Film/TheIsland'': The clones get freed at the end, coming out of the underground facility into the sun.
21st Mar '16 2:05:34 PM StFan
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* ''Film/DarkCity'' - The cave is an alien spaceship/laboratory made up to look like an American city ca. the 1930s.
* ''Film/TheThirteenthFloor'' - The cave is a virtual reality simulation inside of another virtual reality simulation.
* ''Film/{{eXistenZ}}'' - The cave is the virtual reality game. However, this trope is subverted when it turns out that [[spoiler:transCendenZ is just as fake as eXistenZ]]. And the people who want to destroy the cave? Insane terrorists who want to [[CulturePolice stop you from playing video games]].

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* ''Film/DarkCity'' - ''Film/DarkCity'': The cave is an alien spaceship/laboratory made up to look like an American city ca. the 1930s.
* ''Film/TheThirteenthFloor'' - ''Film/TheThirteenthFloor'': The cave is a virtual reality simulation inside of another virtual reality simulation.
* ''Film/{{eXistenZ}}'' - ''Film/{{eXistenZ}}'': The cave is the virtual reality game. However, this trope is subverted when it turns out that [[spoiler:transCendenZ is just as fake as eXistenZ]]. And the people who want to destroy the cave? Insane terrorists who want to [[CulturePolice stop you from playing video games]].



** In a similar vein ''Film/LogansRun'' has people trapped in a walled city with no concept of what the world around them is like. Subverted in that they know there is something outside the city, but their concept of what it is happens to be completely skewed.

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** * In a similar vein vein, ''Film/LogansRun'' has people trapped in a walled city with no concept of what the world around them is like. Subverted in that they know there is something outside the city, but their concept of what it is happens to be completely skewed.




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* The setting of ''Series/{{Life On Mars|2006}}''... maybe.
* The Shibuya in ''{{Series/Sh15uya}}'' is explicitly stated to be a virtual replication in the opening of the show.

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* The setting of ''Series/{{Life On on Mars|2006}}''... maybe.
* The Shibuya in ''{{Series/Sh15uya}}'' ''Series/{{Sh15uya}}'' is explicitly stated to be a virtual replication in the opening of the show.



** The two-parter [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E8SilenceInTheLibrary "Silence in the Library"]]/[[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E9ForestOfTheDead "Forest of the Dead"]]. The "cave" is [[spoiler:the library's computer system]].
** The Matrix in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E3TheDeadlyAssassin "The Deadly Assassin"]], [[spoiler:the eponymous Creator/MCEscher-esque setting, custom-made by the Master and PoweredByAForsakenChild, or Adric]] in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS19E1Castrovalva "Castrovalva"]], and the alternate realities in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS3E7TheCelestialToymaker "The Celestial Toymaker"]] and [[Recap/DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber "The Mind Robber"]].
** Also [[spoiler:the fake Earth]] in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E4TheAndroidInvasion "The Android Invasion"]] and the tunnel in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E3Gridlock "Gridlock"]].
** One of the worlds presented to the Doctor, Amy, and Rory in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E7AmysChoice "Amy's Choice"]] is the Cave, being AllJustADream, with the other one being the real world. [[spoiler:Actually, both worlds are false, making it a double cave]].

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** The two-parter [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E8SilenceInTheLibrary "Silence "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E8SilenceInTheLibrary Silence in the Library"]]/[[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E9ForestOfTheDead "Forest Library]]"/"[[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E9ForestOfTheDead Forest of the Dead"]].Dead]]". The "cave" is [[spoiler:the library's computer system]].
** The Matrix in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E3TheDeadlyAssassin "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E3TheDeadlyAssassin The Deadly Assassin"]], Assassin]]", [[spoiler:the eponymous Creator/MCEscher-esque setting, custom-made by the Master and PoweredByAForsakenChild, or Adric]] in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS19E1Castrovalva "Castrovalva"]], "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS19E1Castrovalva Castrovalva]]", and the alternate realities in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS3E7TheCelestialToymaker "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS3E7TheCelestialToymaker The Celestial Toymaker"]] Toymaker]]" and [[Recap/DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber The Mind Robber"]].
Robber]]".
** Also [[spoiler:the fake Earth]] in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E4TheAndroidInvasion "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E4TheAndroidInvasion The Android Invasion"]] Invasion]]" and the tunnel in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E3Gridlock "Gridlock"]].
"[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E3Gridlock Gridlock]]".
** One of the worlds presented to the Doctor, Amy, and Rory in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E7AmysChoice "Amy's Choice"]] "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E7AmysChoice Amy's Choice]]" is the Cave, being AllJustADream, with the other one being the real world. [[spoiler:Actually, both worlds are false, making it a double cave]].



* In ''Series/{{Babylon5}}'' G'kar tries to use this idea to explain a point of his philosophy. When his acolytes don't get it he just gives up and starts spouting nonsense metaphors.
** Sheridan spends some time in one [[spoiler: when he dies on Z'ha'dum]]. He only gets out of it when he comes up with something worth living for.

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** Sheridan spends some time in one [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when he dies on Z'ha'dum]]. He only gets out of it when he comes up with something worth living for.

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* The Plant setting in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty''. The level is blatantly patterned on the workings of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', though the player is likely to dismiss it. We later learn the game is a FalseFlagOperation devised by Raiden's handlers to emulate the [=MGS1=] crisis: a nuclear threat, soldiers in revolt, two [=VIPs=] to rescue, a scientist who knows about Metal Gear's weak point, and various traps which are copy & pasted from the previous game. As a metaphor, the entire plant is just camouflage which crumbles away when Raiden discovers it.

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The Plant setting in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty''. The level is blatantly patterned on the workings of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', ''Metal Gear Solid'', though the player is likely to dismiss it. We later learn the game is a FalseFlagOperation devised by Raiden's handlers to emulate the [=MGS1=] crisis: a nuclear threat, soldiers in revolt, two [=VIPs=] to rescue, a scientist who knows about Metal Gear's weak point, and various traps which are copy & pasted from the previous game. As a metaphor, the entire plant is just camouflage which crumbles away when Raiden discovers it.




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8th Jan '16 9:56:31 AM Veanne
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* This is one of the interpretations of the entirety of ''Film/TotalRecall1990'', and the film also heavily implies that this is indeed the setting after Quaid's dream implant.

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* This is one of the interpretations of the entirety of ''Film/TotalRecall1990'', and the film also heavily implies that this is indeed the setting after Quaid's dream implant.
implant. Since it is an adaptation of Philip Dick (see below)...



* In a very real sense, we don't perceive anything but shadows. You think you see other people, but that's just Electromagnetic waves stimulating your retina. What you hear is just molecular vibrations. What you feel is just pressure picked up by your nerves. Humans do not have one single sense that ''directly'' perceives how we interpret the data we receive from the environment. ''In other words, YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm of everything around you, and what you see is just an illusion created by the brain trying to make sense out of everything.''

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* In a very real sense, we don't perceive anything but shadows. You think you see other people, but that's just Electromagnetic electromagnetic waves stimulating your retina. What you hear is just molecular vibrations. What you feel is just pressure picked up by your nerves. Humans do not have one single sense that ''directly'' perceives how we interpret the data we receive from the environment. ''In other words, YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm of everything around you, and what you see is just an illusion created by the brain trying to make sense out of everything.''


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** ImmanuelKant said this first(ish).
8th Jan '16 9:53:48 AM Veanne
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** ''Eye in the Sky'' has the main characters trapped inside solipistic manifestations of the main characters' minds, where reality bends to the ConfirmationBias of their subjective beliefs.

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** ''Eye in the Sky'' has the main characters trapped inside solipistic solipsist manifestations of the main characters' minds, where reality bends to the ConfirmationBias of their subjective beliefs.



** ''{{Literature/Ubik}}'' has Joe Chip discover the time-regressing world he's caught in is actually [[spoiler:his dying dream as he lingers in suspended animation.]]

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** ''{{Literature/Ubik}}'' has Joe Chip discover the time-regressing world he's caught in is actually [[spoiler:his dying dream as he lingers in suspended animation.]] [[MindScrew Maybe]]. [[spoiler: In the last chapter Runciter, who supposedly survived, begins experiencing the ''exact same'' things...]]




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** The title of an essay Dick wrote on writing, philosophy and everything: "How to build a universe that doesn't fall apart two days later", tells worlds about his mindset.



** The Matrix in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E3TheDeadlyAssassin "The Deadly Assassin"]], [[spoiler:the eponymous setting]] in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS19E1Castrovalva "Castrovalva"]], and the alternate realities in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS3E7TheCelestialToymaker "The Celestial Toymaker"]] and [[Recap/DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber "The Mind Robber"]].

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** The Matrix in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E3TheDeadlyAssassin "The Deadly Assassin"]], [[spoiler:the eponymous setting]] Creator/MCEscher-esque setting, custom-made by the Master and PoweredByAForsakenChild, or Adric]] in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS19E1Castrovalva "Castrovalva"]], and the alternate realities in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS3E7TheCelestialToymaker "The Celestial Toymaker"]] and [[Recap/DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber "The Mind Robber"]].



** The Creator/MCEscher-esque world the newly regenerated doctor recuperates on in "Castrovalva" is a trap built for him by the Master (with the reluctant help of Adric).
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