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22nd May '17 6:05:44 AM HeyFella
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* In the ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' series, the Goron race derives heavily from the stock Tolkienian dwarf. They're physically strong, have a strong mining culture, and (in later games) have great battle prowess. However, they're physically larger than the mundane Hylians, and they don't mine because they're obsessed with gold and precious stones, but because [[EatDirtyCheap they eat rocks]].

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* In the ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' series, the Goron race derives heavily from the stock Tolkienian dwarf. They're physically strong, have a strong mining culture, and (in later games) have great battle prowess. However, they're physically larger than the mundane Hylians, and they don't mine because they're obsessed with gold and precious stones, but because [[EatDirtyCheap [[EatDirtCheap they eat rocks]].
16th May '17 10:45:58 AM BeerBaron
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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' plays with it when it comes to the extinct Dwemer, also known as the Dwarves. To note:
** Playing the trope straight, the Dwemer did build [[AdvancedAncientAcropolis technologically advanced cities]], typically [[ElaborateUndergroundBase deep into the ground]], complete with gold/bronze architecture and {{Eternal Engine}}s. They warred with just about every other race they came into contact with, ''particularly'' [[ElvesVersusDwarves other races of Mer]]. They were known to have [[BadassBeard glorious beards]] and were [[UltimateBlacksmith master craftsmen]], with their equipment still being among the best and most sought after in Tamriel [[OlderIsBetter even thousands of years]] after their [[RiddleForTheAges mysterious disappearance]], in some way related to them [[DugTooDeep digging too deep]] beneath Red Mountain and discovering (and then attempting to tap into) the [[CosmicKeystone Heart of Lorkhan]], the dead creator god of the mortal plane.
** On the "aversion" side, the Dwemer are as sub-race of [[OurElvesAreDifferent Mer (Elves)]], with their name meaning the "Deep Elves" or "Deep Ones," referring to their ''philosophical'' depth. They were of average size compared to the other races of Tamriel and the term "dwarf" is an [[NonIndicativeName archeological misnomer]]. They were the first "normal sized" race to encounter the Giants of the Velothi Mountains, who referred to them as "dwarves" in size comparison to themselves. Later, the [[HornyVikings Nords]] (and through them, the other races of Men) picked up the term and it stuck. They weren't known to have any stereotypical "Dwarvish" accents, with the [[LastOfHisKind only Dwemer spoken to in the series to date]] having a nasally, ''nerdy'' voice of all things. While the Dwemer did create all manner of extremely advanced technology, much of it was [[{{Magitek}} magically derived]] in one form or another, with it being said that they were also master enchanters. They created numerous forms of MechaMooks and even HumongousMecha programmed with some sort of rudimentary ([[AIIsACrapShoot and often dangerous]]) AI. They were {{Naytheist}}s in a world where gods of all sorts exist, though the Dwemer [[FlatEarthAtheist did not believe these "gods" were truly divine]]. They'd summon [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedra]] just to [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu test their divinity]]. Finally, they followed a ''very'' BlueAndOrangeMorality. Former series developer Michael Kirkbride puts it best:
---> ''"That's why the Dwemer are the weirdest race in Tamriel and, frankly, also the scariest. They look(ed) like us, they sometimes act(ed) like us, but when you really put them under the magnifying glass you see nothing but vessels that house an intelligence and value system that is by all accounts Beyond Human Comprehension. (...) There isn't even a word to describe the Dwarven view on divinity. They were atheists on a world where gods exist."''



* The Dwarves of ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' were a breed of ''elves'', roughly human-sized, with a material culture like that of ancient Mesopotamia with a hint of classical China. And yet, they lived in fortresses under mountains, tapped magma to power their forges, were masters of metalworking, made really high-quality beer steins, developed technology millennia ahead of any civilization before or since, had huge beards, were reclusive, hated (other) elves, and finally vanished from the face of the earth. Though neither Scottish nor Norse in the least, they were, unmistakably, ''Dwarves''.
** Of course, they didn't hate other elves for anything like the usual reason; they hated anything other than Dwemer, [[EvilutionaryBiologist viewing other beings as at best potential slaves or experimental subjects]], with few exceptions (a brief alliance with the Dunmer, for one). They also eventually annihilated themselves by ''trying to use the heart of a dead god [[AGodAmI to become gods themselves]].'' Or not - it's not ''explicitly'' confirmed, and the people that were around at that time are a bit uncertain of what ''exactly'' the Dwemer were up to, but it had something to do with divinity, and likely had something to do with the disappearance of the Dwemer.
** The technology deserves a special note as being obscenely far in advance not only of the other races of the setting, but the Dwarf trope in general: the Dwemer weren't just master metalworkers, they also had a vast airship fleet, electric lighting, HumongousMecha and rudimentary AI capable of powering automated security bots. Their craftsmanship is such that their technology survives intact for [[RagnarokProofing thousands of years.]] The dwarven armor and weapons one may find in their ruins are widely assumed [[PoweredArmor to be powered]] -- or at least have been at some point.
** In [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]] you can start finding Soul Gems inside Dwemer Animunculi (their automatons)...the Soul Gems are filled when you find them, leaving the implication that the animating force behind the machines are [[PoweredByAForsakenChild the trapped souls of assorted beings]], possibly [[KickTheDog Falmer]].
** [[LampshadeHanging We're told that the term "dwarf" is a common misconception.]] The actual name of the race is "Dwemer"... which basically translates to "Deep-dwelling elves". It's played with: the elvish bit shines in the fact that they were also masters of magic, which is not a common interpretation of dwarves. Beyond these differences though, they are, for all intents and purposes, dwarves. One author in ''Skyrim'' even calls them such in his book, ''after saying it's an improper term,'' just because everyone does it.
** There is a book which says that the Dwemer were called "dwarves" because they looked small ''next to the Giants''. Dwarven armor fits other races and shows no signs that it was made for short people. Everything in their cities is full sized, and Dwemer ghosts are within in the size-range of the playable races. In spite of this, the "Dwarves" moniker has stuck through the ages.
9th May '17 12:08:47 AM Golondrina
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* Dwarves are commented on as being rather out of place in the world of ''{{Elona}}'', populated by the likes of kitsune, samurai, and [[HumongousMecha mecha]]. They only seem more so when the setting is revealed to be a full scale quasi-[[UrbanFantasy urban fantasy]] as of the later patches of Elona+, glaringly being rather technologically simplistic compared to most of the human factions (using plate mail and tonfas when everyone else has for the most part moved onto machine guns and fighter jets), in spite of possessing the trademark dwarven craftsmanship.

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* Dwarves are commented on as being rather out of place in the world of ''{{Elona}}'', ''VideoGame/{{Elona}}'', populated by the likes of kitsune, samurai, and [[HumongousMecha mecha]]. They only seem more so when the setting is revealed to be a full scale quasi-[[UrbanFantasy urban fantasy]] as of the later patches of Elona+, glaringly being rather technologically simplistic compared to most of the human factions (using plate mail and tonfas when everyone else has for the most part moved onto machine guns and fighter jets), in spite of possessing the trademark dwarven craftsmanship.
20th Apr '17 7:38:28 AM MisterApple
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* The film version of ''Film/TheHobbit'' is taking pains to avert this trope. The dwarves are all short, hairy, and crusty, but they have great variety in their faces, beards, clothing, body types, personalities and weaponry. Particularly notable are Thorin, Fíli, and Kíli, who all benefit from varying degrees of AdaptationalAttractiveness, with Kíli's PermaStubble practically making him a {{Bishonen}} by dwarf standards. They also have accents that range throughout Britain, from Scotland to Ireland and Wales. Glóin, the most stereotypical of the dwarves, is the father of Gimli, who is arguably the modern day codifier of the trope.

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* The film version of ''Film/TheHobbit'' is taking took pains to avert this trope. The dwarves are all short, hairy, and crusty, but they have great variety in their faces, beards, clothing, body types, personalities and weaponry. Particularly notable are Thorin, Fíli, and Kíli, who all benefit from varying degrees of AdaptationalAttractiveness, with Kíli's PermaStubble practically making him a {{Bishonen}} by dwarf standards. They also have accents that range throughout Britain, from Scotland to Ireland and Wales. Glóin, the most stereotypical of the dwarves, is the father of Gimli, who is arguably the modern day codifier of the trope.
9th Apr '17 12:52:41 PM nombretomado
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* Gloranthan (the original setting of ''RuneQuest'') dwarfs are immortal as long as they do their assigned tasks, regard themselves as servants of the World Machine, and are the [[FantasyGunControl only users of firearms]] in the world. They also invented iron. Not 'discovered', ''invented''.

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* Gloranthan (the original setting of ''RuneQuest'') ''TabletopGame/RuneQuest'') dwarfs are immortal as long as they do their assigned tasks, regard themselves as servants of the World Machine, and are the [[FantasyGunControl only users of firearms]] in the world. They also invented iron. Not 'discovered', ''invented''.
8th Apr '17 8:43:49 PM Hylarn
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* ''LightNovel/OutbreakComany'' which is set in an alternate "Tolkeinesque" world uses stock standard male dwarves. Subverted for the female dwarves as they resemble anime lolis.

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* ''LightNovel/OutbreakComany'' ''LightNovel/OutbreakCompany'' which is set in an alternate "Tolkeinesque" world uses stock standard male dwarves. Subverted for the female dwarves as they resemble anime lolis.
5th Apr '17 10:18:04 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'' reveals that dwarves are a somewhat unnatural race, having been created by Aulë, one of the [[PowersThatBe Valar]] -- not [[{{God}} Eru]] [[TheOmnipotent Ilúvatar]] himself, who made the other "good" races like elves, humans and hobbits.

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** ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'' reveals that dwarves are a somewhat unnatural race, having been created by Aulë, one of the [[PowersThatBe Valar]] -- not [[{{God}} Eru]] [[TheOmnipotent Ilúvatar]] himself, who made the other "good" races like elves, humans and hobbits. The latter did end up [[ThrowItIn adopting them]] though, and gifted them with their own wills which a mere Valar could not do.
3rd Apr '17 9:33:23 PM WaxingName
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* In the ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' series, the Goron race derives heavily from the stock Tolkienian dwarf. They're physically strong, have a strong mining culture, and (in later games) have great battle prowess. However, they're physically larger than the mundane Hylians, and they don't mine because they're obsessed with gold and precious stones, but because [[EatDirtyCheap they eat rocks]].
20th Mar '17 10:18:05 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* [[BloodKnight Sontarans]] from ''Series/DoctorWho'' are like typical dwarves in that they're a short, stocky, all-male {{Proud Warrior Race|Guy}}, but that's about where the similarities end. For starters, they're an alien clone race with greenish-grayish-brownish skin, potato-like faces, and virtually no hair. Also, unlike most other dwarves, Sontarans are usually villains, and they're a ridiculous exaggeration of the ProudWarriorRaceGuy trope in that they view everything as part of the war effect and thus take everything with military seriousness.

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* [[BloodKnight Sontarans]] from ''Series/DoctorWho'' are like typical dwarves in that they're a short, stocky, all-male {{Proud Warrior Race|Guy}}, but that's about where the similarities end. For starters, they're an alien clone race with greenish-grayish-brownish muddy skin, potato-like faces, and virtually no hair. Also, unlike most other dwarves, Sontarans are usually villains, and they're a ridiculous exaggeration of the ProudWarriorRaceGuy trope in that they view everything as part of the war effect and thus take everything with military seriousness.
20th Mar '17 10:17:20 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* [[BloodKnight Sontarans]] from ''Series/DoctorWho'' are like typical dwarves in that they're an all-male race of short, stocky {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s, but that's about where the similarities end. For starters, they're an alien clone race with greenish-grayish-brownish skin, potato-like faces, and virtually no hair. Also, unlike most other dwarves, Sontarans are usually villains, and they're a ridiculous exaggeration of the ProudWarriorRaceGuy trope in that they view everything as part of the war effect and thus take everything with military seriousness.

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* [[BloodKnight Sontarans]] from ''Series/DoctorWho'' are like typical dwarves in that they're an a short, stocky, all-male race of short, stocky {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s, Race|Guy}}, but that's about where the similarities end. For starters, they're an alien clone race with greenish-grayish-brownish skin, potato-like faces, and virtually no hair. Also, unlike most other dwarves, Sontarans are usually villains, and they're a ridiculous exaggeration of the ProudWarriorRaceGuy trope in that they view everything as part of the war effect and thus take everything with military seriousness.
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