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11th Jan '16 8:53:49 AM Jeduthun
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The formal academic term for this phenomenon is the "false consensus effect", where a person tends to overestimate the extent to which their beliefs or opinions are typical of those of others.
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The formal academic term for this phenomenon is the "false consensus effect", where a person tends to overestimate the extent to which their beliefs or opinions are typical of those of others. others. It's also related to ConfirmationBias in that people tend to ignore evidence that might prove their cherished opinions are inaccurate.
11th Jan '16 8:02:25 AM Jeduthun
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See also SmallReferencePools (people stick to referencing certain works simply because those are the only ones they know... or think the audience will know).
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See also SmallReferencePools (people stick to referencing certain works simply because those are the only ones they know... or think the audience will know). know). Someone who thinks this way about life in general is CaptainOblivious.
10th Dec '15 8:14:00 AM Cuchulainn
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* The general feedback loop of 'Oh my God, grown men like ''WesternAnimation/{{My Little Pony|Friendship Is Magic}}'' now?!'/'Yeah, we like ''My Little Pony'' now, what are you gonna do about it?' has led many [[PeripheryDemographic bronies]] to forget that the show has just as many fans in its target demographic (that is, small children, especially of the female variety) as it does grown men and women, which occasionally causes friction when people who ''haven't'' forgotten this ask them to try and make their... [[RuleThirtyFour not quite]] [[{{Grimdark}} work safe]] material a little less accessible for the young'uns. Which has apparently led to the newly-penned "Brony Pledge", which is less a "pledge" and more of a "stern reminder from one of us to the rest of you". Which, admittedly, is in and of itself rather more decorum than one usually sees from fandoms that have an excess of RuleThirtyFour.
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* The general feedback loop of 'Oh my God, grown men like ''WesternAnimation/{{My Little Pony|Friendship Is Magic}}'' now?!'/'Yeah, we like ''My Little Pony'' now, what are you gonna do about it?' has led many [[PeripheryDemographic bronies]] to forget that the show has just as many fans in its target demographic (that is, small children, especially of the female variety) as it does grown men and women, which occasionally causes friction when people who ''haven't'' forgotten this ask them to try and make their... [[RuleThirtyFour not quite]] [[{{Grimdark}} [[DarkerAndEdgier work safe]] material a little less accessible for the young'uns. Which has apparently led to the newly-penned "Brony Pledge", which is less a "pledge" and more of a "stern reminder from one of us to the rest of you". Which, admittedly, is in and of itself rather more decorum than one usually sees from fandoms that have an excess of RuleThirtyFour.
8th Dec '15 9:31:12 AM 32_Footsteps
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* ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'': * Given the incredible [[LongRunner breadth]] of the franchise, a ''lot'' of fans have become overly opinionated on which series is any good, and what constitutes a good introduction for new fans. A lot of the older fanbase will vehemently deny that anything outside of the Universal Century timelines is any good, most of the younger fanbase will find the older UC shows to be entirely too dated. Within the UC fanbase, there is a generally very hard divide between fans of ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam'' and ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ' with a large amount saying ''Zeta'' was one of the best with ''ZZ'' one of the worst, and vice versa. This is in general due to the stark MoodWhiplash of ''Zeta'' to ''ZZ'', where a fan of one is generally a hater of the other.
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* ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'': * ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'': Given the incredible [[LongRunner breadth]] of the franchise, a ''lot'' of fans have become overly opinionated on which series is any good, and what constitutes a good introduction for new fans. A lot of the older fanbase will vehemently deny that anything outside of the Universal Century timelines is any good, most of the younger fanbase will find the older UC shows to be entirely too dated. Within the UC fanbase, there is a generally very hard divide between fans of ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam'' and ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ' with a large amount saying ''Zeta'' was one of the best with ''ZZ'' one of the worst, and vice versa. This is in general due to the stark MoodWhiplash of ''Zeta'' to ''ZZ'', where a fan of one is generally a hater of the other.
5th Dec '15 4:35:55 PM WarriorsGate
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** Steven Moffat, the latest in a long line of divisive showrunners who ruined everything the show stood for, has been getting this for taking liberties with the concept of regeneration in "The Time of the Doctor". His critics often point to "The Deadly Assassin" as a cherished piece of lore from the original series. The "The Deadly Assassin" was every bit as contentious when it first came out, precisely for the liberties it took with Time Lords and regeneration.
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** Steven Moffat, [[UnpleasableFanbase the latest in a long line of divisive showrunners who ruined everything the show stood for, for]], and the ''very worst of them all'' until the next one, has been getting this for taking liberties with the concept of regeneration in "The Time of the Doctor". His critics often point to "The Deadly Assassin" as a cherished piece of lore from the original series. The "The Deadly Assassin" was every bit as contentious when it first came out, and fans bashed it precisely for the taking liberties it took with Time Lords and regeneration.
5th Dec '15 4:33:14 PM WarriorsGate
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* ''Series/DoctorWho'' has the eternal war between the Classic Series fans who can't believe that ''anyone'' could possibly enjoy the flashy, superficial soap opera that is the New Series over the complex, deep masterpiece that is the Classic Series, and the New Series fans who can't believe that ''anyone'' could possibly enjoy the cheap, tacky snooze-fest that is the Classic Series over the complex, deep masterpiece that is the New Series. And, of course, both sets of fans find it hard to believe that there's anyone out there who might like both, and they find it impossible to believe that anyone might not like ''either''.
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* ''Series/DoctorWho'' has the ''Series/DoctorWho'': ** The eternal war between the Classic Series fans who can't believe that ''anyone'' could possibly enjoy the flashy, superficial soap opera that is the New Series over the complex, deep masterpiece that is the Classic Series, and the New Series fans who can't believe that ''anyone'' could possibly enjoy the cheap, tacky snooze-fest that is the Classic Series over the complex, deep masterpiece that is the New Series. And, of course, both sets of fans find it hard to believe that there's anyone out there who might like both, and they find it impossible to believe that anyone might not like ''either''.''either''. ** Steven Moffat, the latest in a long line of divisive showrunners who ruined everything the show stood for, has been getting this for taking liberties with the concept of regeneration in "The Time of the Doctor". His critics often point to "The Deadly Assassin" as a cherished piece of lore from the original series. The "The Deadly Assassin" was every bit as contentious when it first came out, precisely for the liberties it took with Time Lords and regeneration.
30th Nov '15 7:30:54 AM PF
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* Anyone who spends five minutes on a comic book message board would think ''WesternAnimation/{{Ultimate Spider-Man}}'' is the most hated cartoon of all time, when in reality, it does quite well among its target demographic of young children. Creator/BrianBendis pointed out that even though "[[ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars It's for kids!]]" is a common admission of a lack of quality, the network and advertisers don't actually care what the PeripheryDemographic thinks.
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* Anyone who spends five minutes on a comic book message board would think ''WesternAnimation/{{Ultimate Spider-Man}}'' is the most hated cartoon of all time, when in reality, it does quite well among its target demographic of young children. Creator/BrianBendis Creator/BrianMichaelBendis pointed out that even though "[[ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars It's for kids!]]" is a common admission of a lack of quality, the network and advertisers don't actually care what the PeripheryDemographic thinks.
30th Nov '15 7:27:28 AM PF
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* Many American fans can't understand why Japan doesn't make more shows like ''Anime/CowboyBebop'', ignoring the fact that [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff it wasn't all that popular in its home country]].
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* Many American fans can't understand why Japan doesn't make more shows like ''Anime/CowboyBebop'', ignoring the fact that ''Anime/CowboyBebop''. In reality, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff it wasn't all that popular in its home country]].

* Given the incredible [[LongRunner breadth]] of the ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' franchise, a LOT of fans have become overly opinionated on which series is any good, and what constitutes a good introduction for new fans. A lot of the older fanbase will vehemently deny that anything outside of the Universal Century timelines is any good, most of the younger fanbase will find the older UC shows to be entirely too dated. ** Within the UC fanbase, there is a generally very hard divide between fans of ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam'' and ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ' with a large amount saying Zeta was one of the best with ZZ one of the worst, and vice versa. This is in general due to the stark MoodWhiplash of Zeta to ZZ, where a fan of one is generally a hater of the other. ** No single series was hit with this harder than ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny.'' Which is almost [[AmericansHateTingle universally loathed by the western fandom]], yet continued to top popularity charts in Japan for almost an entire decade. Making it one of the single most popular anime ever. * Lurks in the depths of the perpetual SubbingVersusDubbing debate, where personal preference often boils down to whether one is watching primarily for the story or for the art. The Sub side points to things like CulturalTranslation, {{Bowdleris|e}}ation, and LullDestruction while the dub side mutters about weaboos insisting on visual distractions just to put a pretentious gloss on what is essentially a pop culture art form. This was much more prevalent back in the VHS days, when sub vs. dub decisions had to be made in the store.
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* ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'': * Given the incredible [[LongRunner breadth]] of the ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' franchise, a LOT ''lot'' of fans have become overly opinionated on which series is any good, and what constitutes a good introduction for new fans. A lot of the older fanbase will vehemently deny that anything outside of the Universal Century timelines is any good, most of the younger fanbase will find the older UC shows to be entirely too dated. ** dated. Within the UC fanbase, there is a generally very hard divide between fans of ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam'' and ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ' with a large amount saying Zeta ''Zeta'' was one of the best with ZZ ''ZZ'' one of the worst, and vice versa. This is in general due to the stark MoodWhiplash of Zeta ''Zeta'' to ZZ, ''ZZ'', where a fan of one is generally a hater of the other. ** No single series was hit with this harder than ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny.'' ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny''. Which is almost [[AmericansHateTingle universally loathed by the western Western fandom]], yet continued to top popularity charts in Japan for almost an entire decade. Making it one of the single most popular anime ever. * Lurks in the depths of the perpetual SubbingVersusDubbing debate, where personal preference often boils down to whether one is watching primarily for the story or for the art. The Sub sub side points to things like CulturalTranslation, {{Bowdleris|e}}ation, and LullDestruction while the dub side mutters about weaboos insisting on visual distractions just to put a pretentious gloss on what is essentially a pop culture art form. This was much more prevalent back in the VHS days, when sub vs. dub decisions had to be made in the store.

* A lot of famous movies hailed as classics, such as ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' and ''Film/ForrestGump'' did more poorly with critics than one would expect. They still did ''well'', but it wasn't all acclaim. As an example, ''Forrest Gump'''s [[Website/RottenTomatoes Tomatometer score]] is only 71%, and both it and ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' only have an average rating of 7 out of 10.(However, the first Jurassic Park has a Tomatometer rating of 93% at the moment, so it is currently exempt from this.)
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* A lot of famous movies hailed as classics, such as ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' and ''Film/ForrestGump'' did more poorly with critics than one would expect. They still did ''well'', but it wasn't all acclaim. As an For example, ''Forrest Gump'''s [[Website/RottenTomatoes Tomatometer score]] is only 71%, and both it and ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' only have an average rating of 7 out of 10.(However, [[note]]However, the first Jurassic Park has a Tomatometer rating of 93% at the moment, so it is currently exempt from this.)[[/note]]

* There's usually a lot of issues between fandoms when it comes to Franchise/SuperSentai and Franchise/PowerRangers. As an example, [[Series/PowerRangersMegaforce Power Rangers Super Megaforce]] is absolutely hated on the internet, and yet its intended younger audience loves it and many fans don't understand why. ** Series/ResshaSentaiToQger is also a point of tension. Due to trains not being so prominent in America, [[AmericansHateTingle Western Sentai fans will usually have opinions that harshly differ from Japanese fans]]. Some have even gone to the point where they say "those people [who like the show] are on drugs". ** Ironically averted with Series/ShurikenSentaiNinninger. Although it is generally hated on tokusatsu forums like RangerBoard and TokuNation, Ninninger haters will usually respect the opinions of those who like it. *** With the one exception of [=JEFusion=]. If you say you like Ninninger, you will get flamed upon, called an "apologist defender" and told to "stop defending garbage". The main reason for this is that comments can be posted anonymously.
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* There's usually a lot of issues between fandoms when it comes to Franchise/SuperSentai and Franchise/PowerRangers. ''Franchise/PowerRangers''. As an example, [[Series/PowerRangersMegaforce ''[[Series/PowerRangersMegaforce Power Rangers Super Megaforce]] Megaforce]]'' is absolutely hated on the internet, Internet, and yet its intended younger audience loves it and many fans don't understand why. ** Series/ResshaSentaiToQger ''Series/ResshaSentaiToQger'' is also a point of tension. Due to trains not being so prominent in America, [[AmericansHateTingle Western Sentai fans will usually have opinions that harshly differ from Japanese fans]]. Some have even gone to the point where they say "those people [who like the show] are on drugs". ** Ironically averted with Series/ShurikenSentaiNinninger. ''Series/ShurikenSentaiNinninger''. Although it is generally hated on tokusatsu forums like RangerBoard and TokuNation, Ninninger ''Ninninger'' haters will usually respect the opinions of those who like it. *** With the it. The one exception of is [=JEFusion=]. If you say you like Ninninger, ''Ninninger'', you will get flamed upon, called an "apologist defender" and told to "stop defending garbage". The main reason for this is that comments can be posted anonymously.

* Any MessageBoard that is enforcing conformity in opinions will likely have this. Any MessageBoard aimed at a particular group or interest will have the majority of posters holding the opinion and any poster who doesn't will tend to be [[{{Troll}} the type to post on message boards they specifically disagree with]]. Sometimes the moderators of the message board will kick off those who do not toe the party line.
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* Any MessageBoard that is enforcing conformity in opinions will likely have this. Any MessageBoard message board aimed at a particular group or interest will have the majority of posters holding the opinion and any poster who doesn't will tend to be [[{{Troll}} the type to post on message boards they specifically disagree with]]. Sometimes the moderators of the message board will kick off those who do not toe the party line.

* In general niche fandoms can have this sort of reaction when more mainstream attention starts rolling in. The newer fans are only exposed to more contemporary works while older fans scratch their heads at some of the best works of the medium/genre being ignored. Some examples include young fans calling Naruto the best anime ever while older fans tend to disagree or the hardcore versus casual gamers.
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* In general niche Niche fandoms can have this sort of reaction when more mainstream attention starts rolling in. The newer fans are only exposed to more contemporary works while older fans scratch their heads at some of the best works of the medium/genre being ignored. Some examples include young fans calling Naruto ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' the best anime ever while older fans tend to disagree or the hardcore versus casual gamers.

* TheOutskirtsBattleDome is pretty much considered this by plenty of people. Especially the wiki. The idea of a OBD HiveMind is actually a in joke to members.
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* TheOutskirtsBattleDome Website/TheOutskirtsBattleDome is pretty much considered this by plenty of people. Especially the wiki. The idea of a OBD HiveMind is actually a in joke in-joke to members.

* Two words. '''Console. Wars.''' The three groups of Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft often collide with each other, and arguments spawn from literally everywhere, ranging from GameFAQs, Youtube, and even Amazon. Although it's usually "*insert console here* sucks", there are times where those on the offensive will go even further and begin insulting those who ''like'' the console they hate. Expect to hear the word "fanboy" a lot in these fights. ** A similar issue occurs between Console gamers and PC gamers, although there is often overlap between them. Mobile gaming also gives and gets flack from the other parties as well.
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* Two words. '''Console. Wars.''' The Console Wars. The three groups of Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft often collide with each other, and arguments spawn from literally everywhere, ranging from GameFAQs, Youtube, Website/{{GameFAQs}}, Website/YouTube, and even Amazon. Although it's usually "*insert console here* sucks", there are times where those on the offensive will go even further and begin insulting those who ''like'' the console they hate. Expect to hear the word "fanboy" a lot in these fights. ** fights. A similar issue occurs between Console vonsole gamers and PC gamers, although there is often overlap between them. Mobile gaming also gives and gets flack from the other parties as well.

* Animation vet BruceTimm has said that he rarely lets internet criticism get to him for precisely this reason. He reasoned that statistically speaking, the people who post on message boards are a very small fraction of the actual fandom and audience, so just because some people are screaming RuinedForever, that doesn't make it representative of the general opinion of his work. * Anyone who spends five minutes on a comic-book message board would think ''WesternAnimation/{{Ultimate Spider-Man}}'' is the most hated cartoon of all time, when in reality, it does quite well among its target demographic of young children. Creator/BrianBendis pointed out that even though '[[ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars It's for kids!]]' is a common admission of a lack of quality, the network and advertisers don't actually care what the small PeripheryDemographic of grown men think. In the United States at least, kids are still the primary consumers of superhero animation and the [[MerchandiseDriven tie-in toys]], so anyone is else pretty much irrelevant as far as the execs are concerned. * Older fans of Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} will tell you that the channel has gone to crap, ratings are going down, and how the Creator/DisneyChannel, Creator/CartoonNetwork, and even Creator/TheHub are beating it. When in reality, Nickelodeon easily defeats the latter two, with a small head up on the Disney Channel. Besides, the new shows seem to be doing well with their target demographic, and Nickelodeon, being a channel that focuses on kids, couldn't care less about the adults. * Many people dislike Teen Titans Go! after hearing that its bad, many of the people who are touting that its bad only think so because (apart from missing the original Teen Titans) they fail to realise that Teen Titans Go! is a parody intentionally featuring Flanderised versions of the heroes negative traits. The common complaint is that the characters aren't heroic, again this is desite how blatant it is that the show is satire, often parodying specific episodes from the original show and even having an episode mocking their own lack of seriousness.
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* Animation vet BruceTimm Creator/BruceTimm has said that he rarely lets internet online criticism get to him for precisely this reason. He reasoned that statistically speaking, the people who post on message boards are a very small fraction of the actual fandom and audience, so just because some people are screaming RuinedForever, that doesn't make it representative of the general overall opinion of his work. * Anyone who spends five minutes on a comic-book comic book message board would think ''WesternAnimation/{{Ultimate Spider-Man}}'' is the most hated cartoon of all time, when in reality, it does quite well among its target demographic of young children. Creator/BrianBendis pointed out that even though '[[ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars "[[ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars It's for kids!]]' kids!]]" is a common admission of a lack of quality, the network and advertisers don't actually care what the small PeripheryDemographic of grown men think. In the United States at least, kids are still the primary consumers of superhero animation and the [[MerchandiseDriven tie-in toys]], so anyone is else pretty much irrelevant as far as the execs are concerned. thinks. * Older fans of Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} will tell you widely believe that the channel has gone to crap, ratings are going down, and how the downhill. They also believe that Creator/DisneyChannel, Creator/CartoonNetwork, and even Creator/TheHub Creator/DiscoveryFamily are beating it. When in In reality, Nickelodeon easily defeats the latter two, with and they have a small head up on the Disney Channel. Besides, the new shows seem to be doing well with their target demographic, and Nickelodeon, being a channel that focuses on kids, couldn't care less about the adults. * Many people dislike Teen Titans Go! after hearing that its bad, many of the people who are touting that its bad only think so because (apart from missing the original Teen Titans) they fail to realise that Teen Titans Go! is a parody intentionally featuring Flanderised versions of the heroes negative traits. The common complaint is that the characters aren't heroic, again this is desite how blatant it is that the show is satire, often parodying specific episodes from the original show and even having an episode mocking their own lack of seriousness.
29th Nov '15 11:10:34 PM drthekay
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* Many people dislike Teen Titans Go! after hearing that its bad, many of the people who are touting that its bad only think so because (apart from missing the original Teen Titans) they fail to realise that Teen Titans Go! is a parody intentionally featuring Flanderised versions of the heroes negative traits. The common complaint is that the characters aren't heroic, again this is desite how blatant it is that the show is satire, often parodying specific episodes from the original show and even having an episode mocking their own lack of seriousness.
23rd Nov '15 1:19:10 PM azul120
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