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16th Feb '17 7:22:30 PM Ryan914
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** Speaking of Windows, there is just as much of a debate of which version is better. Many users (Both 7 and 8) bash 10 for it's Telemetry which eats up RAM also atop the forced updates that may have bricked their PCs or nagged them like mad to auto-update.

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** Speaking of Windows, there is just as much of a debate of which version is better. Many users (Both 7 and 8) bash 10 for it's Telemetry which eats up RAM RAM, also atop the forced updates that may have bricked their PCs computers or nagged them like mad to auto-update.
16th Feb '17 7:21:26 PM Ryan914
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** Speaking of Windows, there is just as much of a debate of which version is better. Many users (Both 7 and 8) bash 10 for it's Telemetry which eats up RAM also atop the forced updates that may have bricked their PCs or nagged them like mad to auto-update.
10th Feb '17 1:22:57 PM StFan
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* The film critic community as a whole has many people who fit this type. The basic logic principle that you can only 'accept' or 'reject' an opinion naturally does not sit well with the people whose self-described job description is that you speak your opinion and people on purpose want to listen to you. This will often lead to name-calling or blaming systems that have been in place long before they were born as 'problems'.
* With movies that have multiple cuts and director's cuts, many fans automatically prefer the director's cut simply because it's marketed as the 'film presented in the way the director intended'. They will often regard the original release as inferior even if it's the release that they originally loved for decades, ignorant of the existence of a director's cut. Such fans will often dismiss those who stick to the cut that they 'loved growing up', regarding them as improperly viewing the movie through a NostalgiaFilter.
** Conversely with the ''Film/StarWars'' movies; George Lucas's various re-edits and remastered editions are frequently and bitterly denounced by many fans, in many cases precisely because they over-ride the versions that the fans grew up loving. See, for example, the controversy over [[Film/ANewHope whether Han Shot First]].

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* The film critic community as a whole has many people who fit this type. The basic logic principle that you can only 'accept' "accept" or 'reject' "reject" an opinion naturally does not sit well with the people whose self-described job description is that you speak your opinion and people on purpose want to listen to you. This will often lead to name-calling or blaming systems that have been in place long before they were born as 'problems'.
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* With movies that have multiple cuts and director's cuts, many fans automatically prefer the director's cut simply because it's marketed as the 'film presented in the way the director intended'. They will often regard the original release as inferior even if it's the release that they originally loved for decades, ignorant of the existence of a director's cut. Such fans will often dismiss those who stick to the cut that they 'loved "loved growing up', up", regarding them as improperly viewing the movie through a NostalgiaFilter.
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NostalgiaFilter. Conversely with the ''Film/StarWars'' movies; George Lucas's various re-edits and remastered editions are frequently and bitterly denounced by many fans, in many cases precisely because they over-ride the versions that the fans grew up loving. See, for example, the controversy over [[Film/ANewHope whether Han Shot First]].



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** A smaller, but incredibly vocal minority, swear off anything produced after [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight Gene Roddenberry]] died, because nothing can be canon if Roddenberry wasn't around to put his seal of approval on it. These people apparently do not realize that Roddenberry only had direct creative input for the first two seasons of the classic series, the first theatrical film and the first season of TNG. For that matter, if it's his seal of approval they're concerned about, then none of the films beyond ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' are canon, as Roddenberry didn't like the direction Harve Bennett took with them, particularly the [[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier fifth]] and [[StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]] films. This led to the widespread belief that Roddenberry had declared ''Star Trek V'' and ''VI'' to be non-canon, which he never did.

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** A smaller, but incredibly vocal minority, swear off anything produced after [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight Gene Roddenberry]] died, because nothing can be canon if Roddenberry wasn't around to put his seal of approval on it. These people apparently do not realize that Roddenberry only had direct creative input for the first two seasons of the classic series, the first theatrical film and the first season of TNG. For that matter, if it's his seal of approval they're concerned about, then none of the films beyond ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' are canon, as Roddenberry didn't like the direction Harve Bennett took with them, particularly the [[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier fifth]] and [[StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry [[Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]] films. This led to the widespread belief that Roddenberry had declared ''Star Trek V'' and ''VI'' to be non-canon, which he never did.



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* Any MessageBoard that is enforcing conformity in opinions will likely have this. Any message board aimed at a particular group or interest will have the majority of posters holding the opinion and any poster who doesn't will tend to be [[{{Troll}} the type to post on message boards they specifically disagree with]]. Sometimes the moderators of the message board will kick off those who do not toe the party line.
* Any MessageBoard/blog with a sufficiently strict moderation/comment policy will be accused of this. How dare the owner of the blog decide that [[InternetToughGuy some opinions]] are not worth hosting and [[{{Troll}} some people]] not worth arguing with. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Let's leave it at that.]]
* Reviewers, especially [[CausticCritic vitriolic ones]], who point out UnfortunateImplications present in works get this a lot.
* This is one of the main reasons that the Website/TelevisionWithoutPity forums maintained strict 'no talking about the boards on the board' and 'talk about the posts, not the other posters' policies. Posts like 'I don't get why everybody wants her to win' or 'what's wrong with all these people who don't like ''him''?' would net at least a warning and possibly a ban.
* This overlaps often with CriticalDissonance. Many reviewers, especially VideoGame reviewers, seem to think that because their tastes are limited, that means that any game they review should be strictly along those.
** A very notable example are the reviews of ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIV'', which gushed about recreating a living, breathing world, while minimizing the gameplay and technical issues, which were noted strongly in user reviews.
** A common form is if they think the content of a game is 'kiddie', they will put that well above if the gameplay is any good, how the game performs, replay value, and other factors that would appeal to many gamers more than whether a game is kiddie or not. Because they don't like kiddie games, it's clear no one else will.
** Players also respond to video game reviews (seemingly more so than other forms of reviews) especially strongly in this way. Expect any review of a video game that disagrees with someone's opinions to be met with numerous comments about how the person/the site is biased and that reviews should be objective, even though an objective review is impossible; any criteria or theory you choose to follow in a review is in and of itself a form of bias. [[http://www.destructoid.com/100-objective-review-final-fantasy-xiii-179178.phtml This]] is what an objective and unbiased review looks like.
*** Reviews for re-released "classic games", especially, tend to get hit with this pretty hard. If a re-released classic game gets a relatively poor or even average score from a reviewer, you can expect accusations of the reviewer being "biased towards modern games" or (in a subtle invoking of MoffsLaw) "unfairly holding the game to modern standards."
* One game reviewer talked about this, stating more or less, what while most reviewers talk about what the game is, what you do, and why they thought it was fun, a truly good reviewer also talks about why you the reader might like it.
* Parodied in the Onion article "[[http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/man_who_enjoys_thing Man Who Enjoys Thing Informed He Is Wrong]]".
* Browse Facebook fan pages. While you'll find a lot of posts about how good a work is or gushing about certain characters, you'll invariably get haters of the work liking the page simply to say, 'How can you people like this crap?' or 'You people are stupid, [Work] is obviously bad!' Some more extreme haters will demand the page get deleted because it dares to like something they don't. Similarly, browse pages devoted to hating certain works and you'll find the same thing in reverse: fans posting on the page saying, 'You people are stupid!', 'You obviously don't realise how superior [Work] is!', or 'You just haven't read/watched it!', and some demanding that the page get taken down because it dares to not like something they do.
* Website/IMDb forums are similar -- people often seem unable to comprehend another opinion. Many users assume those who dislike films they themselves like are automatically trolls, and those who like films they themselves dislike are automatically involved with the movie. These people will very often seem incapable of talking about the movie without stating their dislike. Occasionally, you'll come across someone who disagrees with the majority, but actually asks why [movie] is loved/hated.
* The Website/YouTube series "Everything Wrong with...", produced by WebVideo/CinemaSins, has a tendency to include everything that bothered the reviewer, ranging from plot holes and continuity errors, to debatable aesthetic choices such as the use of voiceover, to the reviewer's pet peeves, like his opinion that characters eating apples "makes them look like assholes".
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* Any MessageBoard that is enforcing conformity in opinions will likely have this. Any message board aimed at a particular group or interest will have the majority of posters holding the opinion and any poster who doesn't will tend to be [[{{Troll}} the type to post on message boards they specifically disagree with]]. Sometimes the moderators of the message board will kick off those who do not toe the party line.
* Any MessageBoard/blog with a sufficiently strict moderation/comment policy will be accused of this. How dare the owner of the blog decide that [[InternetToughGuy some opinions]] are not worth hosting and [[{{Troll}} some people]] not worth arguing with. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Let's leave it at that.]]
* Reviewers, especially [[CausticCritic vitriolic ones]], who point out UnfortunateImplications present in works get this a lot.
* This is one of the main reasons that the Website/TelevisionWithoutPity forums maintained strict 'no talking about the boards on the board' and 'talk about the posts, not the other posters' policies. Posts like 'I don't get why everybody wants her to win' or 'what's wrong with all these people who don't like ''him''?' would net at least a warning and possibly a ban.
* This overlaps often with CriticalDissonance. Many reviewers, especially VideoGame reviewers, seem to think that because their tastes are limited, that means that any game they review should be strictly along those.
** A very notable example are the reviews of ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIV'', which gushed about recreating a living, breathing world, while minimizing the gameplay and technical issues, which were noted strongly in user reviews.
** A common form is if they think the content of a game is 'kiddie', they will put that well above if the gameplay is any good, how the game performs, replay value, and other factors that would appeal to many gamers more than whether a game is kiddie or not. Because they don't like kiddie games, it's clear no one else will.
** Players also respond to video game reviews (seemingly more so than other forms of reviews) especially strongly in this way. Expect any review of a video game that disagrees with someone's opinions to be met with numerous comments about how the person/the site is biased and that reviews should be objective, even though an objective review is impossible; any criteria or theory you choose to follow in a review is in and of itself a form of bias. [[http://www.destructoid.com/100-objective-review-final-fantasy-xiii-179178.phtml This]] is what an objective and unbiased review looks like.
*** Reviews for re-released "classic games", especially, tend to get hit with this pretty hard. If a re-released classic game gets a relatively poor or even average score from a reviewer, you can expect accusations of the reviewer being "biased towards modern games" or (in a subtle invoking of MoffsLaw) "unfairly holding the game to modern standards."
* One game reviewer talked about this, stating more or less, what while most reviewers talk about what the game is, what you do, and why they thought it was fun, a truly good reviewer also talks about why you the reader might like it.
* Parodied in the Onion article "[[http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/man_who_enjoys_thing Man Who Enjoys Thing Informed He Is Wrong]]".
* Browse Facebook fan pages. While you'll find a lot of posts about how good a work is or gushing about certain characters, you'll invariably get haters of the work liking the page simply to say, 'How can you people like this crap?' or 'You people are stupid, [Work] is obviously bad!' Some more extreme haters will demand the page get deleted because it dares to like something they don't. Similarly, browse pages devoted to hating certain works and you'll find the same thing in reverse: fans posting on the page saying, 'You people are stupid!', 'You obviously don't realise how superior [Work] is!', or 'You just haven't read/watched it!', and some demanding that the page get taken down because it dares to not like something they do.
* Website/IMDb forums are similar -- people often seem unable to comprehend another opinion. Many users assume those who dislike films they themselves like are automatically trolls, and those who like films they themselves dislike are automatically involved with the movie. These people will very often seem incapable of talking about the movie without stating their dislike. Occasionally, you'll come across someone who disagrees with the majority, but actually asks why [movie] is loved/hated.
* The Website/YouTube series "Everything Wrong with...", produced by WebVideo/CinemaSins, has a tendency to include everything that bothered the reviewer, ranging from plot holes and continuity errors, to debatable aesthetic choices such as the use of voiceover, to the reviewer's pet peeves, like his opinion that characters eating apples "makes them look like assholes".
7th Feb '17 10:52:56 AM ZombieAladdin
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Compare ItsPopularNowItSucks, BrokenBase, BiasSteamroller, VocalMinority.

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Compare ItsPopularNowItSucks, BrokenBase, BiasSteamroller, VocalMinority.
VocalMinority, and CasualCompetitiveConflict.
20th Jan '17 12:50:45 PM ZombieAladdin
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* Pinball also has an inverted case of Opinion Myopia: Many of the most-liked games, like ''Pinball/MedievalMadness'', ''Pinball/CactusCanyon'', ''Pinball/CirqusVoltaire'', and ''Pinball/MonsterBash'', were actually very poor sellers, but that fact only ever comes up when someone wants to buy one of these machines in the used market. If someone not familiar with pinball were to go to a message board or social media group about pinball, they might think these were some of the most common machines made because of how they dominate discussion and how people talk like everyone has played them.

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* Pinball also has an inverted case of Opinion Myopia: Many of the most-liked games, like ''Pinball/MedievalMadness'', ''Pinball/CactusCanyon'', ''Pinball/CirqusVoltaire'', and ''Pinball/MonsterBash'', were are actually very quite rare due to being poor sellers, but that fact only ever comes up when someone wants to buy one of these machines in the used market. If someone not familiar with pinball were to go to a message board or social media group about pinball, they might think these were some of the most common machines made because of how they dominate discussion and how people talk like everyone has played them.
18th Aug '16 8:29:55 AM jmparker78
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* ''Series/StarTrek'' fans can be divided into several distinct groups: Purists, who only will accept the show in its original form, which is to say the classic series and ''only'' the series (the films don't count), classic "Trekkies" who think of the various series as "''Star Trek'' and those newer shows", more modern "Trekkers", who tip the hat to the classic series but think ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' was when ''Trek'' really begins and ends (to the point where some [[CanonDiscontinuity deny that the other spin-offs are even canon]]), "Niners", who think the [[DarkerAndEdgier grit]] of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' made it the best, proclaim Ira Stephen Behr to be [[MyRealDaddy the true heir to Roddenberry's throne]] and even suggest that [[FallenCreator Roddenberry's vision for ''Trek'' wasn't all it was cracked up to be]]...and finally those that just like anything with the name "''Star Trek'' in its title.
** A smaller, but incredibly vocal minority, swear off anything produced after [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight Gene Roddenberry]] died, because nothing can be canon if Roddenberry wasn't around to put his seal of approval on it. These people apparently do not realize that Roddenberry only had direct creative input for the first two seasons of the classic series, the first theatrical film and the first season of TNG. Also, contrary to popular belief, Roddenberry never claimed any of the films or TV shows to be apocryphal.

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* ''Series/StarTrek'' fans can be divided into several distinct groups: Purists, who only will accept the show in its original form, which is to say the classic series and ''only'' the series (the films don't count), classic "Trekkies" who think of the various series as "''Star Trek'' and those newer shows", more modern "Trekkers", who tip the hat to the classic series but think ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' was when ''Trek'' really begins and ends (to the point where some [[CanonDiscontinuity deny that the other spin-offs are even canon]]), "Niners", who think the [[DarkerAndEdgier grit]] of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' made it the best, proclaim Ira Stephen Behr to be [[MyRealDaddy the true heir to Roddenberry's throne]] and even suggest that [[FallenCreator Roddenberry's vision for ''Trek'' wasn't all it was cracked up to be]]...and finally those that just like anything with the name "''Star Trek'' Trek''" in its title.
** A smaller, but incredibly vocal minority, swear off anything produced after [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight Gene Roddenberry]] died, because nothing can be canon if Roddenberry wasn't around to put his seal of approval on it. These people apparently do not realize that Roddenberry only had direct creative input for the first two seasons of the classic series, the first theatrical film and the first season of TNG. Also, contrary to popular belief, Roddenberry never claimed any For that matter, if it's his seal of approval they're concerned about, then none of the films or TV shows beyond ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' are canon, as Roddenberry didn't like the direction Harve Bennett took with them, particularly the [[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier fifth]] and [[StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]] films. This led to the widespread belief that Roddenberry had declared ''Star Trek V'' and ''VI'' to be apocryphal.non-canon, which he never did.
15th Aug '16 12:37:51 PM jmparker78
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* ''Series/StarTrek'' fans can be divided into several distinct groups: {{Purists}}, who only will accept the show in its original form, which is to say the classic series and ''only'' the series (the films don't count), classic "Trekkies" who think of the various series as "''Star Trek'' and those newer shows", more modern "Trekkers", who tip the hat to the classic series but think ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' was when ''Trek'' really begins and ends (to the point where some [[CanonDiscontinuity deny that the other spin-offs are even canon]]), "Niners", who think the [[DarkerAndEdgier grit]] of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' made it the best, proclaim Ira Stephen Behr to be [[MyRealDaddy the true heir to Roddenberry's throne]] and even suggest that [[FallenCreator Roddenberry's vision for ''Trek'' wasn't all it was cracked up to be]]...and finally those that just like anything with the name "''Star Trek'' in its title.

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* ''Series/StarTrek'' fans can be divided into several distinct groups: {{Purists}}, Purists, who only will accept the show in its original form, which is to say the classic series and ''only'' the series (the films don't count), classic "Trekkies" who think of the various series as "''Star Trek'' and those newer shows", more modern "Trekkers", who tip the hat to the classic series but think ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' was when ''Trek'' really begins and ends (to the point where some [[CanonDiscontinuity deny that the other spin-offs are even canon]]), "Niners", who think the [[DarkerAndEdgier grit]] of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' made it the best, proclaim Ira Stephen Behr to be [[MyRealDaddy the true heir to Roddenberry's throne]] and even suggest that [[FallenCreator Roddenberry's vision for ''Trek'' wasn't all it was cracked up to be]]...and finally those that just like anything with the name "''Star Trek'' in its title.
15th Aug '16 12:37:14 PM jmparker78
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* ''Series/StarTrek'' fans can be divided into several distinct groups: {{Purists}}, who only will accept the show in its original form, which is to say the classic series and ''only'' the series (the films don't count), classic "Trekkies" who think of the various series as "''Star Trek'' and those newer shows", more modern "Trekkers", who tip the hat to the classic series but think ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' was when ''Trek'' really begins and ends (to the point where some [[CanonDiscontinuity deny that the other spin-offs are even canon]]), "Niners", who think the [[DarkerAndEdgier grit]] of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' made it the best, proclaim Ira Stephen Behr to be [[MyRealDaddy the true heir to Roddenberry's throne]] and even suggest that [[FallenCreator Roddenberry's vision for ''Trek'' wasn't all it was cracked up to be]]...and finally those that just like anything with the name "''Star Trek'' in its title.
** A smaller, but incredibly vocal minority, swear off anything produced after [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight Gene Roddenberry]] died, because nothing can be canon if Roddenberry wasn't around to put his seal of approval on it. These people apparently do not realize that Roddenberry only had direct creative input for the first two seasons of the classic series, the first theatrical film and the first season of TNG. Also, contrary to popular belief, Roddenberry never claimed any of the films or TV shows to be apocryphal.
1st Aug '16 12:46:58 PM StFan
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* The YouTube series "Everything Wrong with...", produced by Cinema Sins, has a tendency to include everything that bothered the reviewer, ranging from plot holes and continuity errors, to debatable aesthetic choices such as the use of voiceover, to the reviewer's pet peeves, like his opinion that characters eating apples "makes them look like assholes".

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* The YouTube Website/YouTube series "Everything Wrong with...", produced by Cinema Sins, WebVideo/CinemaSins, has a tendency to include everything that bothered the reviewer, ranging from plot holes and continuity errors, to debatable aesthetic choices such as the use of voiceover, to the reviewer's pet peeves, like his opinion that characters eating apples "makes them look like assholes".



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* Within pinball communities themselves, there are some hardline [[Creator/MidwayGames Bally-Williams]] fans who think that the only reason Creator/{{Stern}} is still in business is because they can talk big to clueless operators and because they can secure attractive modern licenses like ''Series/GameOfThrones'' and ''Film/TheAvengers''. Nevermind that there are plenty of pinball fans who genuinely like what Stern makes, and that Creator/DataEast did exactly what the Stern-haters described (very good licenses, but shoddy build quality and rushed programming) only to go out of business after several years.

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* Within pinball communities themselves, there are some hardline [[Creator/MidwayGames Bally-Williams]] fans who think that the only reason Creator/{{Stern}} is still in business is because they can talk big to clueless operators and because they can secure attractive modern licenses like ''Series/GameOfThrones'' and ''Film/TheAvengers''.''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''. Nevermind that there are plenty of pinball fans who genuinely like what Stern makes, and that Creator/DataEast did exactly what the Stern-haters described (very good licenses, but shoddy build quality and rushed programming) only to go out of business after several years.



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26th Jul '16 7:28:08 PM LaughingGiraffe
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* The YouTube series "Cinema Sins" has a tendency to include everything that bothered the reviewer, ranging from plot holes and continuity errors, to debatable aesthetic choices such as the use of voiceover, to the reviewer's pet peeves, like his opinion that characters eating apples "makes them look like assholes".

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* The YouTube series "Cinema Sins" "Everything Wrong with...", produced by Cinema Sins, has a tendency to include everything that bothered the reviewer, ranging from plot holes and continuity errors, to debatable aesthetic choices such as the use of voiceover, to the reviewer's pet peeves, like his opinion that characters eating apples "makes them look like assholes".
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