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10th Mar '17 7:48:37 PM dmcreif
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** Stabler is practically the poster child for why you ''should'' lawyer up and not say anything other than "I want a lawyer" until you get one, and in real life any halfway competent defense attorney could have most cases Stabler is involved in thrown out of court because of precisely this tendency of his. But police actually following real life procedures doesn't make for dramatic TV.
** Deconstructed in a later episode when Rollings was framed for a murder. Despite her captain's advice she refused to lawyer up, claiming she did nothing wrong, and tried to be as helpfull as possible, being completely honest and even bringing new evidence to the InternalAffairs. She ended up inadvertently implicating herself and got arrested for her trouble. Being a detective herself, she should've known better. On the other hand, she didn't expect for [[spoiler:her own sister]] to set her up. Thankfully, her coworkers managed to trick the guilty party into confessing of the frame up.

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** ***In fact, Stabler is practically the poster child for why you ''should'' lawyer up and not say anything other than "I want a lawyer" until you get one, and in one. In real life life, any halfway competent halfway-competent defense attorney could have most cases Stabler is involved in thrown out of court because of precisely this tendency of his. But police actually following real life procedures doesn't make for dramatic TV.
** Deconstructed in a later episode when Rollings was framed for a murder. Despite her captain's advice she refused to lawyer up, claiming she did nothing wrong, and tried to be as helpfull helpful as possible, being completely honest and even bringing new evidence to the InternalAffairs. She ended up inadvertently implicating herself and got arrested for her trouble. Being a detective herself, she should've known better. On the other hand, she didn't expect for [[spoiler:her own sister]] to set her up. Thankfully, her coworkers managed to trick the guilty party into confessing of the frame up.
1st Mar '17 11:43:18 AM dmcreif
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** Discussed again in the season 2 episode "Cobbler" when Daniel Warmolt, a newtime drug dealer who's been ripped off by Nacho, calls the cops to complain about his baseball card collection being stolen, but the cops quickly suspect that he's a drug dealer and start investigating ''him'' under the guise of investigating the burglary. Jimmy figures this out and insists on acting as his attorney. The cops are openly suspicious that a man who ''called'' the cops has an attorney present during questioning. Jimmy ultimately has to come up with an outlandish justification for why the dealer is so protective of his privacy to throw the cops off the trial.

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** Discussed again in the season 2 episode "Cobbler" when Daniel Warmolt, a newtime drug dealer who's been ripped off by Nacho, calls the cops to complain about his baseball card collection being stolen, but the cops quickly suspect that he's a drug dealer and start investigating ''him'' under the guise of investigating the burglary. Jimmy figures this out and insists on acting as his Mike hires Jimmy to be Daniel's attorney. The cops are openly suspicious that a man who ''called'' the cops has an attorney present during questioning. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaHNB7DUm8g Jimmy ultimately has to come up with an outlandish justification justification]] for why the dealer is so protective of his privacy to throw the cops off the trial.trail.
2nd Feb '17 9:43:41 AM Piromano80
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* Deliberately used as a red herring in one of the ''Eagle Eye Mysteries'' challenge cases where one of the suspects is uncooperative and demands a lawyer. If you accuse her of the crime, her careful explanation of innocence assumes that you did so primarily because of that reason.


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* [[InvokedTrope Deliberately used]] as a RedHerring in one of the ''Videogame/EagleEyeMysteries'' challenge cases where one of the suspects is uncooperative and demands a lawyer. If you accuse her of the crime, her careful explanation of innocence assumes that you did so primarily because of that reason.
13th Dec '16 7:59:15 AM dmcreif
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* ''Film/TheTown'': Agent Frawley claims this to be true when a woman they brought in for questioning (who doesn't know her new boyfriend is a high-profile robber) asks him whether or not she should have a lawyer present. Though he prefaces it by saying "it isn't a very civil libertarian thing" for him to say, as he's a cop. When she's later implicated in her boyfriend's crimes, he says that this time she really will need a lawyer.

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* ''Film/TheTown'': Agent Adam Frawley claims this to be true when a woman they brought in for questioning Claire Keesey (who doesn't know her new boyfriend is a high-profile robber) asks him whether or not she should have a lawyer present. Though he prefaces it by saying "it isn't a very civil libertarian thing" for him to say, as he's a cop. When she's Claire is later implicated in her boyfriend's Doug's crimes, he says that this time she really will need a lawyer.



* Thoroughly deconstructed in ''Film/MyCousinVinny'', which is often held up as a case of why you should always ask for a lawyer. The boys are innocent, they try to explain and cooperate, and through PoorCommunicationKills accidentally confess to murder. If it wasn't for Stan's cousin Vinny arriving to be their lawyer, they'd have been executed.

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* Thoroughly deconstructed in ''Film/MyCousinVinny'', which is often held up as a case of why you should always ask for a lawyer. The boys are innocent, they try to explain and cooperate, and through PoorCommunicationKills accidentally confess to murder.murder when they thought they were confessing to shoplifting. If it wasn't for Stan's cousin Vinny arriving to be their lawyer, they'd have been executed.
13th Dec '16 7:57:49 AM dmcreif
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** Candace gives a false witness account to Misty on behalf of Mariah. Mariah sends a lawyer to Candace to make sure her story stays straight, but the interviewing officer tries to pressure her into ignoring the lawyer's advice and coming clean.
** Luke consistently rejects the idea of having a lawyer until the last moments of the series, foreshadowing a potential first meeting with Matt Murdock.
** Shades, a career criminal, spends his entire time while under arrest requesting a lawyer. The interrogating officer continues to question him without a lawyer present, even though his testimony would be invalid at this point. Despite her best efforts to intimidate him with the ''long'' jail time he's looking at, he refuses to crack and even trolls her a little at the end of the scene.
** When cops hunting for Luke pick up a street kid who knows him, the boy immediately demands that his mother, who is in law school, be present. The interviewing officer, who has become emotional over the case, continues to interrogate him without a lawyer present and eventually assaults him.

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** Candace gives a false witness account to Misty on behalf of Mariah. Mariah sends a lawyer does send Benjamin Donovan to Candace to make sure her story stays straight, but the interviewing officer Misty tries to pressure her into ignoring the lawyer's advice and coming clean.
** Luke consistently rejects the idea of having a lawyer until the last moments of the series, foreshadowing a potential first meeting with [[Series/Daredevil2015 Matt Murdock.
Murdock]] in time for ''Series/TheDefenders''.
** Shades, a career criminal, spends his entire time while under arrest requesting a lawyer. The interrogating officer Inspector Ridley continues to question him without a lawyer present, even though his testimony would be invalid at this point. Despite her best efforts to intimidate him with the ''long'' jail time he's looking at, he refuses to crack and even trolls her a little at the end of the scene.
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**After Diamondback kills a police officer to implicate Luke as a CopKiller, some
cops hunting for Luke pick up Lonnie, a street kid who that knows him, the Luke. The boy immediately demands that his mother, who is in law school, be present. The interviewing officer, who Unfortunately, tensions are high, Luke is believed to have killed one cop and assaulted two others (and the dead cop happens to be the interrogator's former training officer), and Lonnie has become emotional over a bit of an attitude, causing the case, continues interrogator to interrogate him without a lawyer present and eventually assaults him. lose his temper and take it out on Lonnie.
20th Nov '16 9:41:00 AM TheWanderer
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** It [[DiscussedTrope calls BS on this trope]] in "Uno". When the county treasurer Craig Kettleman is implicated for embezzling $1.6 million, Jimmy [=McGill=] explains that what gets innocent people wrongly convicted is getting wrong what makes you look guilty in the first place: the arrest, not your decision to not lawyer up, and that without an attorney it's fairly easy for a detective to twist what you said and get you convicted.

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** It [[DiscussedTrope calls BS on this trope]] in "Uno". When the county treasurer Craig Kettleman is implicated for embezzling $1.6 million, Jimmy [=McGill=] explains that what gets innocent people wrongly convicted is getting wrong they're concerned about looking guilty, but they're mistaken about what makes you a person look guilty in the first place: the arrest, place. ''Getting arrested'' is what makes people start assuming you must be guilty of something, (whether you actually are or not) not your decision to not lawyer up, and that up. Furthermore, without an attorney present it's fairly easy for a detective to twist what you said and get you convicted.convicted even if you're innocent.



** Shades, a career criminal, spends his entire time while under arrest requesting a lawyer. The interrogating officer continues to question him without a lawyer present, even though his testimony would be invalid at this point.

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** Shades, a career criminal, spends his entire time while under arrest requesting a lawyer. The interrogating officer continues to question him without a lawyer present, even though his testimony would be invalid at this point. Despite her best efforts to intimidate him with the ''long'' jail time he's looking at, he refuses to crack and even trolls her a little at the end of the scene.
20th Oct '16 2:57:16 PM Kalaong
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* Webcomic/DarthsAndDroids has [[http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1304.html a succinct explanation]] of why this should be averted;

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* Webcomic/DarthsAndDroids has [[http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1304.html a succinct explanation]] of why this should be averted;averted. Also applies as AFoolForAClient;
20th Oct '16 6:33:10 AM Kalaong
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* Webcomic/DarthsAndDroids has [[http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1304.html a succinct explanation]] of why this should be averted;
-->A trial is a contest of Law skills between the prosecution and the defence. Most people will hire a lawyer and make use of their Law skill. ''Do you really want to defend yourself and use Law at the default skill level?''
19th Oct '16 12:46:19 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* ''Series/LukeCage2016'':

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* ''Series/LukeCage2016'':''Series/LukeCage2016'': The first season frequently features police officers ignoring or resisting suspects' right to an attorney.
** Candace gives a false witness account to Misty on behalf of Mariah. Mariah sends a lawyer to Candace to make sure her story stays straight, but the interviewing officer tries to pressure her into ignoring the lawyer's advice and coming clean.



** Shades spends his entire time while under arrest requesting a lawyer.
** Notably, when the cops pick up a teenage kid who knows Luke (from Pop's barber shop) he says he wants to call his mom (who's in school to become a lawyer) and that he doesn't want to answer questions without her present, even though the interrogator keeps telling him he's not under arrest (this is actually ''exactly what you're supposed to do'' whenever the police want to talk to you, whether they consider you a suspect or not). Unfortunately, this kid has a bit of an attitude, Luke has assaulted two police officers and been framed by Diamondback for murdering another cop, and tensions in general are high, causing the interrogator to lose his temper and try beating answers out of him even though he knows nothing.

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** Shades Shades, a career criminal, spends his entire time while under arrest requesting a lawyer.
** Notably, when the cops pick up a teenage kid who knows Luke (from Pop's barber shop) he says he wants
lawyer. The interrogating officer continues to call his mom (who's in school to become a lawyer) and that he doesn't want to answer questions question him without her a lawyer present, even though the interrogator keeps telling him he's not under arrest (this is actually ''exactly what you're supposed to do'' whenever the police want to talk to you, whether they consider you a suspect or not). Unfortunately, his testimony would be invalid at this kid has a bit of an attitude, point.
** When cops hunting for
Luke has assaulted two police officers and been framed by Diamondback for murdering another cop, and tensions in general are high, causing the interrogator to lose his temper and try beating answers out of him even though he pick up a street kid who knows nothing.him, the boy immediately demands that his mother, who is in law school, be present. The interviewing officer, who has become emotional over the case, continues to interrogate him without a lawyer present and eventually assaults him.
19th Oct '16 9:03:24 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** Discussed again in the season 2 episode "Cobbler" when Daniel Warmolt, a newtime drug dealer who's been ripped off by Nacho, shows up at the parking lot where Mike works as a booth operator, because the police have invited him down for questioning[[note]]He called the cops because Nacho stole his cash, but more importantly, his valuable baseball card collection[[/note]]. Mike, who cut ties with Daniel when Daniel got reckless with his spending (buying a pimped-out Hummer H2), explains to Daniel that he should turn around and head home, because the police are actually on a fishing trip. They've found the hiding space behind his baseboards where he stored his cash, so they think Daniel may have committed a crime. As a former cop, Mike knows that when they get Daniel into the interrogation room, they will pretend to be his best friend to lure him into a false sense of security, then sweat him until he cracks. Because Daniel is so insistent on getting his cards back, Mike has to work out an arrangement: Nacho gives Daniel back his cards and $10,000 in cash, in exchange for Daniel's Hummer, which will be destroyed at a chop shop. But this doesn't resolve the issue with the police, so Mike arranges for Daniel to meet with the police detectives, with Jimmy as his lawyer. Of course, Daniel stumbles through the interview, forcing Jimmy to kick him out of the interrogation room, then spin up a bogus story about Daniel using his crawl space to stash special videos for a nonexistent patron, [[BlackComedy of him rubbing his ass on a pie while crying]].

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** Discussed again in the season 2 episode "Cobbler" when Daniel Warmolt, a newtime drug dealer who's been ripped off by Nacho, shows up at the parking lot where Mike works as a booth operator, because the police have invited him down for questioning[[note]]He called calls the cops because Nacho stole to complain about his cash, but more importantly, his valuable baseball card collection[[/note]]. Mike, who cut ties with Daniel when Daniel got reckless with his spending (buying a pimped-out Hummer H2), explains to Daniel collection being stolen, but the cops quickly suspect that he should turn around he's a drug dealer and head home, because start investigating ''him'' under the police guise of investigating the burglary. Jimmy figures this out and insists on acting as his attorney. The cops are actually on a fishing trip. They've found the hiding space behind his baseboards where he stored his cash, so they think Daniel may have committed a crime. As a former cop, Mike knows openly suspicious that when they get Daniel into a man who ''called'' the interrogation room, they will pretend to be his best friend to lure him into a false sense of security, then sweat him until he cracks. Because Daniel is so insistent on getting his cards back, Mike cops has an attorney present during questioning. Jimmy ultimately has to work out an arrangement: Nacho gives Daniel back his cards and $10,000 in cash, in exchange for Daniel's Hummer, which will be destroyed at a chop shop. But this doesn't resolve the issue come up with an outlandish justification for why the police, dealer is so Mike arranges for Daniel protective of his privacy to meet with throw the police detectives, with Jimmy as his lawyer. Of course, Daniel stumbles through cops off the interview, forcing Jimmy to kick him out of the interrogation room, then spin up a bogus story about Daniel using his crawl space to stash special videos for a nonexistent patron, [[BlackComedy of him rubbing his ass on a pie while crying]].trial.
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