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28th Nov '16 10:36:50 AM Prfnoff
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* In ''VideoGame/EarthBound'', defeating the Starman Deluxe causes the Stonehenge base to noisily shut down, which frees everybody from the {{People Jar}}s in the last room and removes all the enemies.
17th Nov '16 3:53:50 PM Kadorhal
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* NoOntologicalInertia is critical to the plot of ''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Fate/stay night]]''. The seven Masters fight by commanding their [[{{Mons}} Servants]] -- magical beings so powerful and unpredictable that beating one is nearly impossible, even for another Servant. But if you kill a Master or otherwise eliminate his Command Spells, his Servant can only keep existing for a little while (and it's much weaker during that time). Thus the way to win the Holy Grail War is to take the enemy Masters out of commission -- and needless to say, only the good guys (Shirou and Rin) are [[ThouShaltNotKill particular as to how]].

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* NoOntologicalInertia This trope is critical to the plot of ''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Fate/stay night]]''. The seven Masters fight by commanding their [[{{Mons}} Servants]] -- magical beings so powerful and unpredictable that beating one is nearly impossible, even for another Servant. But if you kill a Master or otherwise eliminate his Command Spells, his Servant can only keep existing for a little while (and it's much weaker during that time). Thus the way to win the Holy Grail War is to take the enemy Masters out of commission -- and needless to say, only the good guys (Shirou and Rin) are [[ThouShaltNotKill particular as to how]].



* ''Series/KamenRiderDenO'' has an interesting dual case of this. Similar to the other kids show example above, when monsters go back in time to wreak havoc and the title character defeats them, any changes they've made to the timeline are reversed... almost. ''Human beings'' have NoOntologicalInertia, since their existence is dependent on memories others have of them. So if someone is killed in the past, but everyone that knew them in the present loses their memories of them at the same time, that person won't come back to life, and will be forced to wander the timestream. This leads to a very glaring plot hole later in the series. Ryotaro isn't worried when [[spoiler:Yuuto is killed in the past, erasing his future self]] because by killing the MonsterOfTheWeek, all the damage is restored. Unfortunately, [[spoiler:Yuuto doesn't return because "Ryotaro never knew Yuuto at that age".]] All well and good, until it gets revealed that [[spoiler:Airi and Sakurai's plan to hide their child hinged on Ryotaro's memory: basically, the ''entire'' timeline would be reconstructed from his memory, sans the baby which was erased from his memories by the Zeronos Cards. What about all the other people that Ryotaro had never met?]]

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* ''Series/KamenRiderDenO'' has an interesting dual case of this. Similar to the other kids show example above, when monsters go back in time to wreak havoc and the title character defeats them, any changes they've made to the timeline are reversed... almost. ''Human beings'' have NoOntologicalInertia, no ontological inertia, since their existence is dependent on memories others have of them. So if someone is killed in the past, but everyone that knew them in the present loses their memories of them at the same time, that person won't come back to life, and will be forced to wander the timestream. This leads to a very glaring plot hole later in the series. Ryotaro isn't worried when [[spoiler:Yuuto is killed in the past, erasing his future self]] because by killing the MonsterOfTheWeek, all the damage is restored. Unfortunately, [[spoiler:Yuuto doesn't return because "Ryotaro never knew Yuuto at that age".]] All well and good, until it gets revealed that [[spoiler:Airi and Sakurai's plan to hide their child hinged on Ryotaro's memory: basically, the ''entire'' timeline would be reconstructed from his memory, sans the baby which was erased from his memories by the Zeronos Cards. What about all the other people that Ryotaro had never met?]]



* The world of ''VideoGame/{{Drakengard}}'' has NoOntologicalInertia. You ready for this one? [[spoiler:The seals placed against the Seeds of Resurrection also hold back the "true world", in which [[CosmicHorror the Grotesqueries]] roam free and hold dominance over all things. The world the protagonists are trying to save is a protective illusion. Thus the world that the majority of ''Drakengard'' takes place in doesn't have any real permanence: the moment all the seals are broken, [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the world as we've known it disappears.]] The sky, for one, immediately [[AlienSky turns red.]]]] In the sequel, the change is even more violent, as the sky ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q_0pNlUBKs literally shatters]]''. This leads to a bit of FridgeLogic when one wonders how those seals came to be in the first place.

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* The world of ''VideoGame/{{Drakengard}}'' has NoOntologicalInertia.no ontological inertia. You ready for this one? [[spoiler:The seals placed against the Seeds of Resurrection also hold back the "true world", in which [[CosmicHorror the Grotesqueries]] roam free and hold dominance over all things. The world the protagonists are trying to save is a protective illusion. Thus the world that the majority of ''Drakengard'' takes place in doesn't have any real permanence: the moment all the seals are broken, [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the world as we've known it disappears.]] The sky, for one, immediately [[AlienSky turns red.]]]] In the sequel, the change is even more violent, as the sky ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q_0pNlUBKs literally shatters]]''. This leads to a bit of FridgeLogic when one wonders how those seals came to be in the first place.



* At one point in the console RPG ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'', the player is given the choice to fight and kill Magus, the villain for the first half of the game, or to spare his life since certain other characters have far surpassed him on the Villain Meter. If you choose to kill Magus, his curse on Glenn/Frog is lifted at the end of the game, whereas if you let Magus live, Glenn is still a frog at the end. This raises questions, because [[spoiler:if Magus is alive at the end of the game, he travels back to 12,000 BC to search for his sister, after which the time gate closes forever. So what exactly happens in a NoOntologicalInertia scenario when Magus dies of natural causes ''after'' laying the curse in his personal timeline, but thousands of years ''before'' the curse in objective time?]]

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* At one point in the console RPG ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'', the player is given the choice to fight and kill Magus, the villain for the first half of the game, or to spare his life since certain other characters have far surpassed him on the Villain Meter. If you choose to kill Magus, his curse on Glenn/Frog is lifted at the end of the game, whereas if you let Magus live, Glenn is still a frog at the end. This raises questions, because [[spoiler:if Magus is alive at the end of the game, he travels back to 12,000 BC to search for his sister, after which the time gate closes forever. So what exactly happens in a NoOntologicalInertia scenario when Magus dies of natural causes ''after'' laying the curse in his personal timeline, but thousands of years ''before'' the curse in objective time?]]
27th Oct '16 1:07:55 PM SimiOfDoom
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* In ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' the goddess Burn dreams reality into existence, meaning no existence without Burn sleeping, meaning awakening Burn will end [[RetGone everything in one go]].
27th Oct '16 3:09:59 AM Taxima
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* This is how Green Lantern's powers work. The constructs and effects he creates only exist as long as he is thinking about them. However, any impact his constructs have on normal physical matter remains (if he digs a pit with a glowy shovel, the pit remains after the glowy shovel disappears.)

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* This is how Green Lantern's the powers of a ''ComicBook/GreenLantern'' work. The constructs and effects he creates only exist as long as he is thinking about them. However, any impact his constructs have on normal physical matter remains (if he digs a pit with a glowy shovel, the pit remains after the glowy shovel disappears.)
23rd Oct '16 5:01:16 AM erforce
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* Used to [[NightmareFuel horrifying]] effect in ''TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'' volume II. During a dinner scene, Mr. Hyde's conversation slowly reveals that he has just [[spoiler:brutally raped and partially ate Hawley Griffin, the Invisible Man, whose blood gradually becomes visible on the walls and table and ''all over Hyde'' as Griffin dies in the next room.]]

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* Used to [[NightmareFuel horrifying]] effect in ''TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'' ''Comicbook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'' volume II. During a dinner scene, Mr. Hyde's conversation slowly reveals that he has just [[spoiler:brutally raped and partially ate Hawley Griffin, the Invisible Man, whose blood gradually becomes visible on the walls and table and ''all over Hyde'' as Griffin dies in the next room.]]
20th Oct '16 8:57:47 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Selectively applied (or so it would seem) at the end of ''WeirdScience''. When "Lisa" vanishes, everything that she has directly or indirectly altered in this level of reality returns to the way it was before - except for Wyatt's grandparents, who are never shown awakening from their suspended animation and so [[OffscreenInertia still must be lifeless statues in Wyatt's family's closet]]. Then again, Lisa ''does'' reappear at the end of the movie without explanation, so either this is a ZigZaggingTrope or TheyJustDidntCare.

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* Selectively applied (or so it would seem) at the end of ''WeirdScience''. When "Lisa" vanishes, everything that she has directly or indirectly altered in this level of reality returns to the way it was before - except for Wyatt's grandparents, who are never shown awakening from their suspended animation and so [[OffscreenInertia still must be lifeless statues in Wyatt's family's closet]]. Then again, Lisa ''does'' reappear at the end of the movie without explanation, so either this is a ZigZaggingTrope or TheyJustDidntCare.ZigZaggingTrope.
19th Oct '16 5:36:19 PM nombretomado
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* The world of ''{{Drakengard}}'' has NoOntologicalInertia. You ready for this one? [[spoiler:The seals placed against the Seeds of Resurrection also hold back the "true world", in which [[CosmicHorror the Grotesqueries]] roam free and hold dominance over all things. The world the protagonists are trying to save is a protective illusion. Thus the world that the majority of ''{{Drakengard}}'' takes place in doesn't have any real permanence: the moment all the seals are broken, [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the world as we've known it disappears.]] The sky, for one, immediately [[AlienSky turns red.]]]] In the sequel, the change is even more violent, as the sky ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q_0pNlUBKs literally shatters]]''. This leads to a bit of FridgeLogic when one wonders how those seals came to be in the first place.

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* The world of ''{{Drakengard}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Drakengard}}'' has NoOntologicalInertia. You ready for this one? [[spoiler:The seals placed against the Seeds of Resurrection also hold back the "true world", in which [[CosmicHorror the Grotesqueries]] roam free and hold dominance over all things. The world the protagonists are trying to save is a protective illusion. Thus the world that the majority of ''{{Drakengard}}'' ''Drakengard'' takes place in doesn't have any real permanence: the moment all the seals are broken, [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the world as we've known it disappears.]] The sky, for one, immediately [[AlienSky turns red.]]]] In the sequel, the change is even more violent, as the sky ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q_0pNlUBKs literally shatters]]''. This leads to a bit of FridgeLogic when one wonders how those seals came to be in the first place.
19th Oct '16 4:02:21 PM DoctorTItanX
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** Not to mention that after Eggman [[spoiler:blew up the half of the moon with the Eclipse Cannon,]] it got better in the later games after [[spoiler:the cannon]] was put out of commission. It's especially jarring in ''SonicAdvance'', where [[spoiler:the final boss fight takes place on the moon]].

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** Not to mention that after Eggman [[spoiler:blew up the half of the moon with the Eclipse Cannon,]] it in got better in the later games events showing the moon after [[spoiler:the cannon]] was put out of commission. It's especially jarring in ''SonicAdvance'', where [[spoiler:the final boss fight takes place on the moon]].



* In Mushroom Hill Act 2 of ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles'', the green grass on the ground turns into brown leaves and the sky turns a strange color at the start of the level. The effect gets worse as you progress though the level. At the end of the level you find a satellite dish broadcasting some type of signal. Destroying the dish will instantly revert the ground back from brown leaves to green grass and make the sky (and the rest of the stuff in the level) turn turn back to it's correct color.

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* In Mushroom Hill Act 2 of ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles'', the green grass on the ground turns into brown leaves and the sky turns a strange color at the start of the level. The effect gets worse as you progress though the level. At the end of the level level, you find a satellite dish broadcasting some type of signal. Destroying the dish will instantly revert the ground back from brown leaves to green grass and make the sky (and the rest of the stuff in the level) turn turn back to it's its correct color.
19th Oct '16 4:36:22 AM CumbersomeTercel
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** Averted in "The Pack" (Season 1), though the applicability of the trope is arguable. Xander pretends that he doesn't remember any of his actions after the [[spoiler: hyena]] spirt leaves him (but he really does remember). If memories are ''erased'', that can be this trope. If the possessee was never conscious of the events in the first place, then it's not this trope.
** In "Prophecy Girl" (season 1 finale), the Hellmouth re-closes for no particular reason when the Master dies. His death also causes the recently released EldritchAbomination that dwells in the Hellmouth to retreat.
** Played straight in "The Dark Age" (season 2). The demon Eyghon possesses [[spoiler: Jenny]], whose appearance gradually becomes demonic. When Eyghon is expelled, she immediately reverts.
** Averted in "Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered" (season 2). Xander misuses a love spell; even after it's undone, the memory of it widens the growing rift between him and Willow (who had unresolved feelings for him already).
** Played straight in "The Wish" (season 3). When Giles (in a dystopian alternate timeline) smashes Anyanka's amulet, history is restored. It makes some sense, given that the spell was itself retroactive, but events early in season 7 may still lead one to question the logic.
** {{Subverted}} and {{Parodied}} in season 4's "Fear Itself:"

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** Averted in "The Pack" "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS1E6ThePack}} The Pack]]" (Season 1), though the applicability of the trope is arguable. Xander pretends that he doesn't remember any of his actions after the [[spoiler: hyena]] spirt leaves him (but he really does remember). If memories are ''erased'', that can be this trope. If the possessee was never conscious of the events in the first place, then it's not this trope.
** In "Prophecy Girl" "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS1E12ProphecyGirl}} Prophecy Girl]]" (season 1 finale), the Hellmouth re-closes for no particular reason when the Master dies. His death also causes the recently released EldritchAbomination that dwells in the Hellmouth to retreat.
** Played straight in "The "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS2E8TheDarkAge}} The Dark Age" Age]]" (season 2). The demon Eyghon possesses [[spoiler: Jenny]], whose appearance gradually becomes demonic. When Eyghon is expelled, she immediately reverts.
** Averted in "Bewitched, Bothered "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS2E16BewitchedBotheredAndBewildered}} Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered" Bewildered]] " (season 2). Xander misuses a love spell; even after it's undone, the memory of it widens the growing rift between him and Willow (who had unresolved feelings for him already).
** Played straight in "The Wish" "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS3E9TheWish}} The Wish]]" (season 3). When Giles (in a dystopian alternate timeline) smashes Anyanka's amulet, history is restored. It makes some sense, given that the spell was itself retroactive, but events early in season 7 may still lead one to question the logic.
** {{Subverted}} and {{Parodied}} in season 4's "Fear Itself:""[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E4FearItself}} Fear Itself]]":



** Very explicitly played straight in "The Replacement" (season 5): Xander has been split into two halves by a demon's spell, and Willow explains that there's not much to rejoining them -- their natural state is to be together and the spell is doing the work of keeping them apart, so all she has to do is end it.
** Played very straight in "Same Time, Same Place" (season 7): to save Dawn from paralytic poison, the team must kill the demon that poisoned her. [[RuleOfFunny She recovers abruptly and funnily]].

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** Very explicitly played straight in "The Replacement" "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS5E3TheReplacement}} The Replacement]]" (season 5): Xander has been split into two halves by a demon's spell, and Willow explains that there's not much to rejoining them -- their natural state is to be together and the spell is doing the work of keeping them apart, so all she has to do is end it.
** Played very straight in "Same "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E3SameTimeSamePlace}} Same Time, Same Place" Place]]" (season 7): to save Dawn from paralytic poison, the team must kill the demon that poisoned her. [[RuleOfFunny She recovers abruptly and funnily]].
18th Oct '16 10:41:41 AM mlsmithca
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* In the final story arc of ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', [[spoiler:the demon Bill Cipher and his otherworldly allies]] have invaded the central cast's home universe and transformed various people and objects for their own amusement. In the series finale, the leader of this invasion is killed (OrIsIt?), causing the other alien beings involved to be immediately returned to their own universe and the transformations to be reversed.

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* In the final story arc of ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', [[spoiler:the demon Bill Cipher and his otherworldly allies]] have invaded the central cast's home universe and transformed various people and objects for their own amusement. In the series finale, the leader of this invasion is killed (OrIsIt?), killed, causing the other alien beings involved to be immediately returned to their own universe and the transformations to be reversed.
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