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27th Apr '17 10:51:38 AM LentilSandEater
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** Sun Tzu mentioned this in the sixth chapter of his book ''Literature/TheArtOfWar''. In the moment of ignorance, the enemy force will likely split his army into several units in hopes that they will cover more ground, but this will just bring the opportunity for the other side to use his whole army to crush these units one by one.
*** He does flip-flop the trope by explaining exactly when one ''should'' divide one's forces (baiting a trap, for instance).

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** Sun Tzu mentioned this in the sixth chapter of his book ''Literature/TheArtOfWar''. In the moment of ignorance, the enemy force will likely split his army into several units in hopes that they will cover more ground, but this will just bring the opportunity for the other side to use his whole army to crush these units one by one.
*** He does flip-flop
one. On the trope by explaining exactly when one ''should'' divide one's forces (baiting other hand he recommends it in some situations, baiting a trap, for instance).instance.
19th Jan '17 7:37:55 PM dsneybuf
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* The ''Webcomic/FreeSpirit'' comic "Bedbugs and Broomsticks" has Winnie [[http://www.platypuscomix.net/freespirit/index.php?issue=6&page=13 enforce this]] by objecting to Robb's plan for their party to split up.

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* The ''Webcomic/FreeSpirit'' ''Webcomic/FreeSpirit2014'' comic "Bedbugs and Broomsticks" has Winnie [[http://www.platypuscomix.net/freespirit/index.php?issue=6&page=13 enforce this]] by objecting to Robb's plan for their party to split up.
13th Oct '16 10:09:29 PM SSJMagus
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* German's first three campaigns against the USSR during WWII. The Germany Army High Command (OKH), optimistic and impatient to get the war over with, ultimately split its force of 3 million men and 3000 tanks into three Army Groups. These were to pursue three initial goals 500km away and 300km apart (Riga, Smolensk, Kiev), three primary goals 1000km away and 600km apart (Leningrad, Moscow, Rostov-on-Don), and three final goals 1500km away and 1000km apart (Archangelsk, Samara/Kuiybyshev, Baku). Needless to say, by the time they reached the initial goals in July the problems with this approach had become apparent: all three Army Groups were too under-supplied and weak to advance without either stopping offensive operations for at least a month or redistributing forces to concentrate on taking just one or two of the primary goals. The OKH wanted to focus on Moscow alone, for questionable reasons [[note]] its commanders wanted the glory and political clout, it didn't care about the economics of Germany's war effort, and they may have genuinely thought it might win the war (for some reason) [[/note]], arguing that it was possible to capture and hold it with a small force which could be reinforced later. Hitler overruled this hare-brained scheme and did something sensible instead, ordering a campaign to take raw resources necessary for the German economy at Kiev (July-September) and placating the Army with a questionable advance on Leningrad (August-September). Postwar evaluations of this strategic choice show that the German Army's scheme for taking Moscow was an ''incredibly'' bad idea as it would have entailed a force of just 200,000 men and 1000 tanks attacking a well-entrenched defensive force of more than 500,000 men. Even if they had succeeded, it would have left the German forces in/around Moscow extremely vulnerable to the Winter Counter-Offensive as they would have had at most 500,000 troops to hold a salient less than 200km wide and 500km long against an attacking force of as many as 1.5 million troops attacking from the north and south. Indeed, successfully taking Moscow in the face of heavy Soviet resistance could only have weakened these forces even further than in real life. Given that Soviet forces were able to advance up to 100km in a single operation in some of the actual winter offensives, an early advance on Moscow would likely have been nothing short of disastrous. ''Never split the party'' indeed.

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* German's first three campaigns against the USSR during WWII. The Germany Army High Command (OKH), optimistic and impatient to get the war over with, ultimately split its force of 3 million men and 3000 tanks into three Army Groups. These were to pursue three initial goals 500km away and 300km apart (Riga, Smolensk, Kiev), three primary goals 1000km away and 600km apart (Leningrad, Moscow, Rostov-on-Don), and three final goals 1500km away and 1000km apart (Archangelsk, Samara/Kuiybyshev, Baku). Needless to say, by the time they reached the initial goals in July the problems with this approach had become apparent: all three Army Groups were too under-supplied and weak to advance without either stopping offensive operations for at least a month or redistributing forces to concentrate on taking just one or two of the primary goals. The OKH wanted to focus on Moscow alone, for questionable reasons [[note]] its commanders wanted the glory and political clout, it didn't care about the economics of Germany's war effort, and they may have genuinely thought it might win the war (for some reason) [[/note]], arguing that it was possible to capture and hold it with a small force which could be reinforced later. Hitler overruled this hare-brained scheme and did something sensible instead, ordering a campaign to take raw resources necessary for the German economy at Kiev (July-September) and placating the Army with a questionable advance on Leningrad (August-September). The scheme was too hare-brained for ''Adolf Hilter'', who was himself quite prone to ill-conceived and overly grandiose plans. Let that sink in. Postwar evaluations of this strategic choice show that the German Army's scheme for taking Moscow was an ''incredibly'' bad idea as it would have entailed a force of just 200,000 men and 1000 tanks attacking a well-entrenched defensive force of more than 500,000 men. Even if they had succeeded, it would have left the German forces in/around Moscow extremely vulnerable to the Winter Counter-Offensive as they would have had at most 500,000 troops to hold a salient less than 200km wide and 500km long against an attacking force of as many as 1.5 million troops attacking from the north and south. Indeed, successfully taking Moscow in the face of heavy Soviet resistance could only have weakened these forces even further than in real life. Given that Soviet forces were able to advance up to 100km in a single operation in some of the actual winter offensives, an early advance on Moscow would likely have been nothing short of disastrous. ''Never split the party'' indeed.
23rd Sep '16 11:28:33 AM MacedonianKing
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** When the cop finds Ben, Bill, Eddie, Richie, and Stan playing in the Barrens, he says that he can understand them wanting to play there, but they should only do so if they stay together as a group the entire time and don't go off to play hide-and-seek or something in ones or twos.

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** When the cop finds Ben, Bill, Eddie, Richie, and Stan playing in the Barrens, he says that he can understand them wanting to play there, but they should only do so if they stay together as a group the entire time and don't go off to play hide-and-seek or something in ones or twos. ReasonableAuthorityFigure indeed.
6th Sep '16 7:55:23 AM Tron80
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* In one ''Comicbook/XMen'' story, Colossus and Kitty Pryde are looking after the younger mutants at the Xavier school while Cyclops takes a team into the field. Kitty tries to contact Cyclops at one point, but can't raise him on the mansion's communication system. When Colossus suggests that he should reconnoiter with Cyclops' team, Kitty answers, "You mean split up? [[GenreSavvy Someday I've got to sit you down in front of some good horror movies, babe.]]"

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* Discussed in ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' story arc ''Comicbook/RedDaughterOfKrypton''. [[Franchise/GreenLantern Guy Gardner]] split his team before sending them out to find another Red Lantern. After seeing what kind of devastation caused that Lantern, he thought that splitting up was a dumb mistake.
* In one ''Comicbook/XMen'' story, Colossus and Kitty Pryde are looking after the younger mutants at the Xavier school while Cyclops ''Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}'' takes a team into the field. Kitty tries to contact Cyclops at one point, but can't raise him on the mansion's communication system. When Colossus suggests that he should reconnoiter with Cyclops' team, Kitty answers, "You mean split up? [[GenreSavvy Someday I've got to sit you down in front of some good horror movies, babe.]]"
31st Jul '16 12:40:06 PM nombretomado
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* One of the early DCComics for ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' has a fictional story about aliens transforming into humans. This causes tension within the Mystery Inc. when Fred orders a split up. For once, they '''don't''' split up. [[spoiler:As usual for Scooby-Doo and his friends, the aliens are fake.]]
* In one ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' story, Colossus and Kitty Pryde are looking after the younger mutants at the Xavier school while Cyclops takes a team into the field. Kitty tries to contact Cyclops at one point, but can't raise him on the mansion's communication system. When Colossus suggests that he should reconnoiter with Cyclops' team, Kitty answers, "You mean split up? [[GenreSavvy Someday I've got to sit you down in front of some good horror movies, babe.]]"

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* One of the early DCComics Creator/DCComics for ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' has a fictional story about aliens transforming into humans. This causes tension within the Mystery Inc. when Fred orders a split up. For once, they '''don't''' split up. [[spoiler:As usual for Scooby-Doo and his friends, the aliens are fake.]]
* In one ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' ''Comicbook/XMen'' story, Colossus and Kitty Pryde are looking after the younger mutants at the Xavier school while Cyclops takes a team into the field. Kitty tries to contact Cyclops at one point, but can't raise him on the mansion's communication system. When Colossus suggests that he should reconnoiter with Cyclops' team, Kitty answers, "You mean split up? [[GenreSavvy Someday I've got to sit you down in front of some good horror movies, babe.]]"
27th Jun '16 11:56:01 AM AnonFangeekGirl
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-->''You'll say "We'll cover more ground if we split up," but you may as well change "more" to "the," and put the words "with more blood" after "ground."''

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-->''You'll say "We'll -->''"We can cover more ground if we split up," but you may as well change "more" up." You forgot to "the," and put the words add "with more blood" after "ground."''between "ground" and "if".''
31st May '16 11:40:53 AM chc232323
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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanchester%27s_laws Lachester's Laws]], as detailed on TheOtherWiki, explain this trope. In brief, imagine two sides of perfectly equal soldiers. Same training, same capacity, same equipment, same position. One force is larger than the other. Engagements by the two sides can be thought of as exchanges. Every time the smaller force loses a casualty, it also loses a proportionally greater part of its capacity to deal the other side damage. For example, suppose Force A, 100 strong, engages Force B, 1000 strong. Each unit has a 5% chance to cause another to be eliminated during each exchange. B eliminates 50 of A in the first exchange. A eliminates 5. In the next exchange, B's 995 remaining men will likely destroy A, and A can expect to only cause 2-4 more casualties. As a result, A would be eliminated at the cost of less than 10 from B. Numbers count twice, as they add firepower and dilute the ability of the enemy to negate your firepower.
** The math has been greatly simplified, but is not too difficult for those familiar with calculus.
** Because of real-world concerns discussed on TheOtherWiki, the usual formulation is that greater numbers of absolutely equal troops apply an exponent of 1.5 to the superior numbered side's capability, but before the law can be applied, you have to know all the Force Multipliers. These are any and all advantages that make a unit more effective, such as superior equipment, terrain, leadership, training, and so on. For an abstract combat game like many role playing games and wargames, the original exponent of 2 may make more sense.
** Back to Never Splitting the Party, the absence of one character of a four-strong group not only means 1/4 of the group's power is unavailable, but the enemies that would have attacked the missing member now attack the remaining three. Using an exponent of 1.5 in Lanchester's law, the party is at about 65% effectiveness instead of the 75% you might think. Using an exponent of two, missing one member of a four person group leaves the group 56% as effective.
14th May '16 9:39:03 PM Orbiting
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* In ''Webcomic/{{Nebula}}'', Mars and Earth agree that with [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Sun]] being NotHimself, the planets should all stick together for safety, just in case.
30th Apr '16 5:22:04 PM nombretomado
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* Also a frequent issue in ''CaptainPlanet''. By now the kids should ''know'' that they'll need the Captain eventually, and all five of them must be together to summon him. Doesn't stop them from splitting up to try to save the day with their individual powers.

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* Also a frequent issue in ''CaptainPlanet''.''WesternAnimation/{{Captain Planet|and the Planeteers}}''. By now the kids should ''know'' that they'll need the Captain eventually, and all five of them must be together to summon him. Doesn't stop them from splitting up to try to save the day with their individual powers.
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