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29th Jul '16 10:10:19 AM JJHIL325
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* One of the major differences that makes the ''Fanfic/AftermathOfTheGames'' universe an AU to the MLP:FIM Canon is that Twilight ends up in charge of raising a filly version of Starlight Glimmer because [[spoiler: unlike her canon counterpart, Starlight [[RedemptionRejection refused to surrender and atone for her actions]] during "The Cutie Re-Mark", so Twilight [[ShootTheDog was left with no choice]] but to [[{{Retgone}} wipe her out of existence]] by convincing the nine-year-old Starlight to run away from her OrphanageOfFear and become her apprentice]]. Twilight and everybody in the know about the filly's origins agrees that part of the reason why the original Starlight became a major psychopath was because her upbringing in her abusive orphanage prevented her from learning how to connect properly with other ponies, so they take extra care to raise her in a loving enviroment and build her a network of ponies that she's able to trust so she gets on the right path. However, because mental illnesses are a mix of both genetics and upbringing, [[RealityEnsues Starlight still shows early warning signs of her older self's equalistic and fanatical behavior]], and Twilight fears the possibility that nothing she can do will make a difference.

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* One of the major differences that makes the ''Fanfic/AftermathOfTheGames'' universe an AU to the MLP:FIM Canon is that Twilight ends up in charge of raising a filly version of Starlight Glimmer because [[spoiler: unlike her canon counterpart, Starlight [[RedemptionRejection refused to surrender and atone for her actions]] during "The Cutie Re-Mark", so Twilight [[ShootTheDog was left with no choice]] but to [[{{Retgone}} wipe her out of existence]] by convincing the nine-year-old Starlight to run away from her OrphanageOfFear and become her apprentice]]. Twilight and everybody in the know about the filly's origins agrees that part of the reason why the original Starlight became a major psychopath was because spending her upbringing entire foal hood in her an abusive orphanage prevented her from learning how to connect properly with other ponies, so they take extra care to raise her in a loving enviroment and build her a large support network of ponies that she's able to trust so she gets on the right path. However, because mental illnesses are a mix of both genetics and upbringing, [[RealityEnsues Starlight still shows demonstrates early warning signs of her older self's equalistic and fanatical behavior]], behavior]] during ''Integration'', and Twilight fears the possibility that nothing she can do will make a difference.
28th Jul '16 11:59:53 AM JJHIL325
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* One of the key plot points that makes the ''Fanfic/AftermathOfTheGames'' universe an AU to the MLP:FIM Canon is that Twilight ends up in charge of raising a filly version of Starlight Glimmer because [[spoiler: unlike her canon counterpart, Starlight [[RedemptionRejection refused to surrender and atone for her actions]] during "The Cutie Re-Mark", so Twilight [[ShootTheDog was left with no choice]] but to [[{{Retgone}} wipe her out of existence]] by convincing the nine-year-old Starlight to run away from her OrphanageOfFear and become her apprentice]]. Twilight and everybody in the know about the filly's origins agrees that part of the reason why the original Starlight became a major psychopath was because her upbringing in her abusive orphanage prevented her from learning how to connect properly with other ponies, so they take extra care to raise her in a loving enviroment and build her a network of ponies that she's able to trust so she gets on the right path. However, [[RealityEnsues because mental illnesses are a mix of both genetics and upbringing]], Starlight still shows early warning signs of her older self's equalistic and fanatical behavior, and Twilight fears the possibility that nothing she can do will make a difference.

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* One of the key plot points major differences that makes the ''Fanfic/AftermathOfTheGames'' universe an AU to the MLP:FIM Canon is that Twilight ends up in charge of raising a filly version of Starlight Glimmer because [[spoiler: unlike her canon counterpart, Starlight [[RedemptionRejection refused to surrender and atone for her actions]] during "The Cutie Re-Mark", so Twilight [[ShootTheDog was left with no choice]] but to [[{{Retgone}} wipe her out of existence]] by convincing the nine-year-old Starlight to run away from her OrphanageOfFear and become her apprentice]]. Twilight and everybody in the know about the filly's origins agrees that part of the reason why the original Starlight became a major psychopath was because her upbringing in her abusive orphanage prevented her from learning how to connect properly with other ponies, so they take extra care to raise her in a loving enviroment and build her a network of ponies that she's able to trust so she gets on the right path. However, [[RealityEnsues because mental illnesses are a mix of both genetics and upbringing]], upbringing, [[RealityEnsues Starlight still shows early warning signs of her older self's equalistic and fanatical behavior, behavior]], and Twilight fears the possibility that nothing she can do will make a difference.
28th Jul '16 9:43:46 AM JJHIL325
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* One of the key plot points that makes the ''Fanfic/AftermathOfTheGames'' universe an AU to the MLP:FIM Canon is that Twilight ends up in charge of raising a filly version of Starlight Glimmer because [[spoiler: unlike her canon counterpart, Starlight [[RedemptionRejection refused to surrender and atone for her actions]] during "The Cutie Re-Mark", so Twilight [[ShootTheDog was left with no choice]] but to [[{{Retgone}} wipe her out of existence]] by convincing the nine-year-old Starlight to run away from her OrphanageOfFear and become her apprentice]]. Twilight and everybody in the know about the filly's origins agrees that part of the reason why the original Starlight became a major psychopath was because her upbringing in her abusive orphanage prevented her from learning how to connect properly with other ponies, so they take extra care to raise her in a loving enviroment and build her a network of ponies that she's able to trust so she gets on the right path. However, [[RealityEnsues because mental illnesses are a mix of both genetics and upbringing]], Starlight still shows early warning signs of her older self's maniac and fanatical behavior, and Twilight fears the possibility that nothing she can do will make a difference.

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* One of the key plot points that makes the ''Fanfic/AftermathOfTheGames'' universe an AU to the MLP:FIM Canon is that Twilight ends up in charge of raising a filly version of Starlight Glimmer because [[spoiler: unlike her canon counterpart, Starlight [[RedemptionRejection refused to surrender and atone for her actions]] during "The Cutie Re-Mark", so Twilight [[ShootTheDog was left with no choice]] but to [[{{Retgone}} wipe her out of existence]] by convincing the nine-year-old Starlight to run away from her OrphanageOfFear and become her apprentice]]. Twilight and everybody in the know about the filly's origins agrees that part of the reason why the original Starlight became a major psychopath was because her upbringing in her abusive orphanage prevented her from learning how to connect properly with other ponies, so they take extra care to raise her in a loving enviroment and build her a network of ponies that she's able to trust so she gets on the right path. However, [[RealityEnsues because mental illnesses are a mix of both genetics and upbringing]], Starlight still shows early warning signs of her older self's maniac equalistic and fanatical behavior, and Twilight fears the possibility that nothing she can do will make a difference.
28th Jul '16 9:41:38 AM JJHIL325
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* One of the key plott points that makes the ''Fanfic/AftermathOfTheGames'' universe an AU to the MLP:FIM Canon is that Twilight ends up in charge of raising a filly version of Starlight Glimmer because [[spoiler: unlike her canon counterpart, Starlight [[RedemptionRejection refused to surrender and atone for her actions]] during "The Cutie Re-Mark", so Twilight [[ShootTheDog was left with no choice]] but to [[{{Retgone}} wipe her out of existence]] by convincing the nine-year-old Starlight to run away from her OrphanageOfFear and become her personsl student]]. Twilight and everybody in the know about the filly's origins agrees that part of the reason why the original Starlight became a major psychopath was because her upbringing in her abusive orphanage prevented her from learning how to connect properly with other ponies, so they take extra care to raise her in a loving enviroment and build her a network of ponies that she's able to trust so she gets on the right path. However, [[RealityEnsues because mental illnesses are a mix of both genetics and upbringing]], Starlight demonstrates some of the early warning signs of the original's OCD and fanatical behavior, and Twilight fears the possibility that nothing she can do will make a difference.

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* One of the key plott plot points that makes the ''Fanfic/AftermathOfTheGames'' universe an AU to the MLP:FIM Canon is that Twilight ends up in charge of raising a filly version of Starlight Glimmer because [[spoiler: unlike her canon counterpart, Starlight [[RedemptionRejection refused to surrender and atone for her actions]] during "The Cutie Re-Mark", so Twilight [[ShootTheDog was left with no choice]] but to [[{{Retgone}} wipe her out of existence]] by convincing the nine-year-old Starlight to run away from her OrphanageOfFear and become her personsl student]].apprentice]]. Twilight and everybody in the know about the filly's origins agrees that part of the reason why the original Starlight became a major psychopath was because her upbringing in her abusive orphanage prevented her from learning how to connect properly with other ponies, so they take extra care to raise her in a loving enviroment and build her a network of ponies that she's able to trust so she gets on the right path. However, [[RealityEnsues because mental illnesses are a mix of both genetics and upbringing]], Starlight demonstrates some of the still shows early warning signs of the original's OCD her older self's maniac and fanatical behavior, and Twilight fears the possibility that nothing she can do will make a difference.
28th Jul '16 9:36:57 AM JJHIL325
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* One of the key plott points that makes the ''Fanfic/AftermathOfTheGames'' universe an AU to the MLP:FIM Canon is that Twilight ends up in charge of raising a filly version of Starlight Glimmer because [[spoiler: unlike her canon counterpart, Starlight [[RedemptionRejection refused to surrender and atone for her actions]] during "The Cutie Re-Mark", so Twilight [[ShootTheDog was left with no choice]] but to [[{{Retgone}} wipe her out of existence]] by convincing the nine-year-old Starlight to run away from her OrphanageOfFear and become her personsl student]]. Twilight and everybody in the know about the filly's origins agrees that part of the reason why the original Starlight became a major psychopath was because her upbringing in her abusive orphanage prevented her from learning how to connect properly with other ponies, so they take extra care to raise her in a loving enviroment and build her a network of ponies that she's able to trust so she gets on the right path. However, [[RealityEnsues because mental illnesses are a mix of both genetics and upbringing]], Starlight demonstrates some of the early warning signs of the original's OCD and fanatical behavior, and Twilight fears the possibility that nothing she can do will make a difference.



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23rd Jan '16 2:43:59 PM merotoker
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** On the other hand, Gaara apparently had [[spoiler: a very loving mother]] and a cold bastard of a father, and to complicate matters was ''raised'' by an uncle who was very kind and looked just like his mother. And was also ANBU and accepted the mission of [[ProfessionalKiller making a hit]] on the six-year-old boy he'd raised, [[spoiler: in order to test his emotional resilience. The zombie of Gaara's father acknowledges this as a flawed methodology.]]

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** On the other hand, Gaara apparently had [[spoiler: a very loving mother]] and a cold bastard of a father, and to complicate matters was ''raised'' by an uncle who was very kind and looked just like his mother. And was also ANBU and accepted the mission of [[ProfessionalKiller making a hit]] on the six-year-old boy he'd raised, [[spoiler: in order to test his emotional resilience. The zombie of Gaara's father acknowledges this as a flawed methodology.]]methodology]].



* It is all but stated in ''Anime/DragonBall'' that Saiyans are naturally ruthless {{Blood Knight}}s who care about little except for fighting. When Goku hit his head and forgot his Saiyan memories, he was raised to be the good person we know by the kind senior Gohan. However, with supplemental material we have seen that they were good Saiyans and Goku's mother was one of them, bring into question if Goku's goodness is genetic as well as nurture.

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* It is all but stated in ''Anime/DragonBall'' ''Franchise/DragonBall'' that Saiyans are naturally ruthless {{Blood Knight}}s who care about little except for fighting. When Goku hit his head and forgot his Saiyan memories, he was raised to be the good person we know by the kind senior Gohan. However, with supplemental material we have seen that they were good Saiyans and Goku's mother was one of them, bring into question if Goku's goodness is genetic as well as nurture.



* Brought up in most depictions of ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'': Superman is [[HumanAlien Kryptonian]], but was raised by kindly old adoptive parents. In older stories, it was usually implied that his superior Kryptonian heritage and abilities were the cause of his strict moral compass, but in latter stories (especially after other, villainous Kryptonians, were introduced), it's outright stated that Superman's upbringing is responsible for creating who he is.

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* Brought up in most depictions of ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'': Superman is [[HumanAlien [[HumanAliens Kryptonian]], but was raised by kindly old adoptive parents. In older stories, it was usually implied that his superior Kryptonian heritage and abilities were the cause of his strict moral compass, but in latter stories (especially after other, villainous Kryptonians, were introduced), it's outright stated that Superman's upbringing is responsible for creating who he is.



** The entire plot of ''Comicbook/JusticeLeague3000'' (which sees the [[Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica JLA]] "resurrected" in the 31st century) hinges on this. Superman lacks the guiding hand of the Kents and is thus a JerkJock with a massive ego, Batman never suffered the loss of his parents and ''[[ReluctantHero doesn't even wanna be Batman]]'', Wonder Woman is a violent BloodKnight constantly looking for someone to kill, and so on.

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** The entire plot of ''Comicbook/JusticeLeague3000'' (which sees the [[Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica JLA]] "resurrected" in the 31st century) hinges on this. Superman lacks the guiding hand of the Kents and is thus a JerkJock with a massive ego, Batman never suffered the loss of his parents and ''[[ReluctantHero ''[[IJustWantToBeNormal doesn't even wanna be Batman]]'', Wonder Woman is a violent BloodKnight constantly looking for someone to kill, and so on.



* Discussed in ''Series/{{Smallville}}'' episode ''Scion''. [[spoiler: Clark is worried that Conner (who is a hybrid clone of him and Lex), will embrace the dark side, and he seems to do under the influence of red kryptonite courtesy of Lionel. Once he's free from it, he chooses to side with Clark. At the end of the episode, Clark tells Conner that everyone has a shadow inside, but it doesn't mean you have to embrace it. Lois then comments "Seems to me that Clark Kent's nature ''and'' nurture won out in the end."]]

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* Discussed in ''Series/{{Smallville}}'' episode ''Scion''."Scion". [[spoiler: Clark is worried that Conner (who is a hybrid clone of him and Lex), will embrace the dark side, and he seems to do under the influence of red kryptonite courtesy of Lionel. Once he's free from it, he chooses to side with Clark. At the end of the episode, Clark tells Conner that everyone has a shadow inside, but it doesn't mean you have to embrace it. Lois then comments "Seems to me that Clark Kent's nature ''and'' nurture won out in the end."]]



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23rd Jan '16 9:37:40 AM Specialist290
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11th Jan '16 12:01:16 AM Fireblood
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Innate qualities and personal experiences both play an important part in determining or causing individual differences in physical and behavioral traits, but this raises the question - which was more 'responsible' for such traits? Were these AbusiveParents abused themselves, and take that out on their own kids, or were they always malicious to begin with? Is the concept of free will (i.e. truly independent thought and truly independent decision-making) valid, or are your decisions brain-made "echoes"? Are your personalities [[InTheBlood determined more by genes]], are they influenced your own experiences, or are they made so that your personality truly is unique?

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Innate qualities and personal experiences both play an important part in determining or causing individual differences in physical and behavioral traits, but this raises the question - which was more 'responsible' for such traits? Were these AbusiveParents abused themselves, and take that out on their own kids, or were they always malicious to begin with? Is the concept of free will (i.e. truly independent thought and truly independent decision-making) valid, or are your decisions brain-made "echoes"? Are your personalities [[InTheBlood determined more by genes]], are they influenced your own experiences, or are they made so that your personality truly is unique?
unique? Currently, scientists tend to think they both have about equal influences.
16th Nov '15 10:19:15 PM CompletelyNormalGuy
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* A slightly more literal example than usual shows up in [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=933 this strip]] of ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'', where Susan receives advice from a GoodAngelBadAngel pair representing her Nature and Nurture. The darker, and more distant Nurture so strongly objects to the bubbly Nature's suggestion that Susan hug Tedd, that she gags Nature to make her shut up. This was one of the clearest illustrations of how much Susan's [[DarkAndTroubledPast difficult past]] affected her.
4th Sep '15 12:39:42 PM FoxBluereaver
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* Discussed in ''Series/{{Smallville}}'' episode ''Scion''. [[spoiler: Clark is worried that Conner (who is a hybrid clone of him and Lex), will embrace the dark side, and he seems to do under the influence of red kryptonite courtesy of Lionel. Once he's free from it, he chooses to side with Clark. At the end of the episode, Clark tells Conner that everyone has a shadow inside, but it doesn't mean you have to embrace it. Lois then comments "Seems to me that Clark Kent's nature ''and'' nurture won out in the end."]]
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