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4th Nov '17 12:47:02 PM WillKeaton
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* Wouldn't be a complete article without mentioning [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130 the AC-130]]. With the weapons load including a ''105mm howitzer'' it's is informally classified as a flying artillery platform. I mean just look at that thing.
* The AC-130 is cool, but similar attempt was done on at least two [[http://www.stormbirds.net/variants262a1aU4.htm ME262]], the Me262 A-1a/U4 variant, with 50mm Anti-tank cannon fitted on its nose. Consider WWII have light tanks with smaller cannons.

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* Wouldn't be a complete article without mentioning [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130 the AC-130]]. AC-130.]] With the weapons load including a ''105mm howitzer'' it's is informally classified as a flying artillery platform. I mean just look at that thing.
* The AC-130 is cool, but similar attempt was done on at least two [[http://www.stormbirds.net/variants262a1aU4.htm ME262]], ME262,]] the Me262 [=Me262=] A-1a/U4 variant, with 50mm Anti-tank cannon fitted on its nose. Consider WWII have light tanks with smaller cannons.



* The Boulton Paul Defiant: a WWII RAF fighter/interceptor with a machine gun turret behind the cockpit and no forward armament[[note]] the turret guns ''could'' be triggered by the pilot, with the intention of allowing forward fire as in a standard fighter, but the cockpit was in the way, which forced the guns to elevate by 19 degrees when pointed forward. It would have been difficult to design a gunsight that would handle this, so the pilot ended up without one[[/note]]. The weight of the turret and gunner seriously impacted on the aircraft’s performance compared to other fighters, and it was still vulnerable to attack from beneath or dead ahead. Initially, the Defiant brought down quite a few rather surprised Luftwaffe pilots, [[note]]many of whom confused it with the similarly-shaped Hawker Hurricane[[/note]] but once they knew what they were dealing with, they made mincemeat of it. [[note]]The turret fighter concept had worked rather well back in the WWI era, with a number of successful models, particularly the RAF’s Bristol F.2 Fighter, which the Defiant was intended to emulate. However, that was the era of biplanes, open cockpits, top speeds a quarter of those in the WWII era, and rather more forgiving aerodynamics. Which, for instance, allowed the Bristol F.2 to be equipped with both a turret ''and'' a forward machine gun. By the time the practical limitations of the turret fighter in the WWII closed-cockpit arena had become apparent, a number of turreted versions of successful fighters (such as the Mosquito) were in the process of being designed or commissioned. None made it into service.[[/note]] It proved a very successful night fighter, as it could shoot the German bombers from underneath, and provided the backbone of the RAF night fighter command before the advent of Bristol Beaufighter.

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* The Boulton Paul Defiant: a WWII RAF fighter/interceptor with a machine gun turret behind the cockpit and no forward armament[[note]] the armament.[[note]]The turret guns ''could'' be triggered by the pilot, with the intention of allowing forward fire as in a standard fighter, but the cockpit was in the way, which forced the guns to elevate by 19 degrees when pointed forward. It would have been difficult to design a gunsight that would handle this, so the pilot ended up without one[[/note]]. one.[[/note]] The weight of the turret and gunner seriously impacted on the aircraft’s performance compared to other fighters, and it was still vulnerable to attack from beneath or dead ahead. Initially, the Defiant brought down quite a few rather surprised Luftwaffe pilots, [[note]]many pilots.[[note]]Many of whom confused it with the similarly-shaped Hawker Hurricane[[/note]] but once they knew what they were dealing with, they made mincemeat of it. it.[[note]]The turret fighter concept had worked rather well back in the WWI era, with a number of successful models, particularly the RAF’s Bristol F.2 Fighter, which the Defiant was intended to emulate. However, that was the era of biplanes, open cockpits, top speeds a quarter of those in the WWII era, and rather more forgiving aerodynamics. Which, for instance, allowed the Bristol F.2 to be equipped with both a turret ''and'' a forward machine gun. By the time the practical limitations of the turret fighter in the WWII closed-cockpit arena had become apparent, a number of turreted versions of successful fighters (such as the Mosquito) were in the process of being designed or commissioned. None made it into service.[[/note]] It proved a very successful night fighter, as it could shoot the German bombers from underneath, and provided the backbone of the RAF night fighter command before the advent of Bristol Beaufighter.



* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_boat Flying Boats]], being a fairly straightforward combination of a boat and an airplane. For decades, these planes were used as long range transports, bombers, and scouts, as they did not require a prepared runway to land and refuel, as long as there was a sizeable enough body of calm water to land on. Flying Boats which were unable to fly due to damage or being overloaded could often simply sail like a boat, using their engines to push them along and their rudder to steer, as happened with a Catalina flying boat that ended up taking on 56 shipwrecked sailors after the sinking of the USS ''Indianapolis''. Various models are still in use to this day, although their popularity faded with the development of proper long-range land-based planes, and in particular Jet Liners such as the Boeing 767.

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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_boat Flying Boats]], Boats,]] being a fairly straightforward combination of a boat and an airplane. For decades, these planes were used as long range transports, bombers, and scouts, as they did not require a prepared runway to land and refuel, as long as there was a sizeable enough body of calm water to land on. Flying Boats which were unable to fly due to damage or being overloaded could often simply sail like a boat, using their engines to push them along and their rudder to steer, as happened with a Catalina flying boat that ended up taking on 56 shipwrecked sailors after the sinking of the USS ''Indianapolis''. Various models are still in use to this day, although their popularity faded with the development of proper long-range land-based planes, and in particular Jet Liners such as the Boeing 767.



** Overall the effect was that with the newly much longer ranges of the modern airliners, and the lots and lots of improved airfields around, the sturdy-but-tricky flying boats were simply not needed anymore. They also were the fuel hogs, due to radically different hull forms needed to function well in the water and in the air. They still exist, but are more of a niche thing, used where their ability to land on the water is crucial, like as the anti-submarine patrol, in the Search and Rescue or as the fire bombers, where it allows them to take on water quickly and efficiently. Still, even then most of them are actually equipped with the conventional landing gear and are technically amphibious — this is largely because they can only land on ''calm'' water.[[note]]Even the sturdiest modern flying boat, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShinMaywa_US-2 the Japanese ShinMaywa US-2]], can only land in what is basically just a stiff breeze by the naval standards.[[/note]]

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** Overall the effect was that with the newly much longer ranges of the modern airliners, and the lots and lots of improved airfields around, the sturdy-but-tricky flying boats were simply not needed anymore. They also were the fuel hogs, due to radically different hull forms needed to function well in the water and in the air. They still exist, but are more of a niche thing, used where their ability to land on the water is crucial, like as the anti-submarine patrol, in the Search and Rescue or as the fire bombers, where it allows them to take on water quickly and efficiently. Still, even then most of them are actually equipped with the conventional landing gear and are technically amphibious — this is largely because they can only land on ''calm'' water.[[note]]Even the sturdiest modern flying boat, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShinMaywa_US-2 the Japanese ShinMaywa US-2]], US-2,]] can only land in what is basically just a stiff breeze by the naval standards.[[/note]]



** Behold the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Sea_Monster Caspian Sea Monster]], the largest of the ekranoplans.

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** Behold the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Sea_Monster Caspian Sea Monster]], Monster,]] the largest of the ekranoplans.
4th Nov '17 12:45:51 PM WillKeaton
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* In ''Franchise/StarTrek'', Federation ships appear to mix the functions of warship, science vessel, deep space exploration ship, and diplomatic vessel all into a single hull. This is epitomized in ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' with the Galaxy class of starship (including, naturally, the flagship ''Enterprise''), which is all of the above ''[[UpToEleven plus what is functionally a small town]]'', complete with schools, recreation areas, and a bar. The Federation also seems to have an aversion to calling their ships "warships" despite the fact that they have more than sufficient shields and firepower to stand up to the dedicated warship designs used by other spacefaring civilizations. (This policy is reversed during [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine the Dominion War]]).

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* In ''Franchise/StarTrek'', Federation ships appear to mix the functions of warship, science vessel, deep space exploration ship, and diplomatic vessel all into a single hull. This is epitomized in ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' with the Galaxy class of starship (including, naturally, the flagship ''Enterprise''), which is all of the above ''[[UpToEleven plus what is functionally a small town]]'', complete with schools, recreation areas, and a bar. The Federation also seems to have an aversion to calling their ships "warships" despite the fact that they have more than sufficient shields and firepower to stand up to the dedicated warship designs used by other spacefaring civilizations. (This policy is reversed during [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine the Dominion War]]).War]].)



** The unlucky French submarine [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surcouf_(N_N_3) ''Surcouf'']]. Although there were many other "submarine cruisers" and submarines with aircraft, the Surcouf combined both and took them to a new level- it was armed with ''two'' 203mm guns in a forward turret and 10 or 12 (accounts differ) torpedo tubes, and housed a scout seaplane in a hangar below decks to use the full range of those guns. It was also armed with a significant number of AA cannons and machine guns. However it never saw action: it was accidentally rammed by a US freighter off the coast of Cuba and sank with all hands.

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** The unlucky French submarine [[http://en.''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surcouf_(N_N_3) ''Surcouf'']]. Surcouf.]]'' Although there were many other "submarine cruisers" and submarines with aircraft, the Surcouf combined both and took them to a new level- it was armed with ''two'' 203mm guns in a forward turret and 10 or 12 (accounts differ) torpedo tubes, and housed a scout seaplane in a hangar below decks to use the full range of those guns. It was also armed with a significant number of AA cannons and machine guns. However it never saw action: it was accidentally rammed by a US freighter off the coast of Cuba and sank with all hands.
4th Nov '17 12:44:41 PM WillKeaton
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* ''Blackhawk'' comics were in love with this trope. Along with the link to the flying submarine (above), there was an [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=60 underground fighter plane]][[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=48 tornado-generating helicopter fortressesm]] [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=39 combat kites,]] the obligatory [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=25 flying aircraft carrier,]] [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=19 helicopter pogo-sticks,]] [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=12 flying tanks]], and some sort of [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=12 flying on-fire-spinny-thing.]] And these weren't even all of them! ''Blackhawk'' comics had more fuzzy-science-derived plot devices than ''Star Trek''.
* Marvel has the [[http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/3/3c/Helicarrier_Head2.jpg/440px-Helicarrier_Head2.jpg S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier]], which is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. Spoofed by Warren Ellis in ''Nextwave'' with the[[http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n11/impbianco/09Aeromarine.jpg H.A.T.E. Aeromarinem]] which is a bunch of submarines welded together and equipped with oversized rocket thrusters.

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* ''Blackhawk'' comics were in love with this trope. Along with the link to the flying submarine (above), there was an [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=60 underground fighter plane]][[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=48 tornado-generating helicopter fortressesm]] [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=39 combat kites,]] the obligatory [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=25 flying aircraft carrier,]] [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=19 helicopter pogo-sticks,]] [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=12 flying tanks]], tanks,]] and some sort of [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=12 flying on-fire-spinny-thing.]] And these weren't even all of them! ''Blackhawk'' comics had more fuzzy-science-derived plot devices than ''Star Trek''.
* Marvel has the [[http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/3/3c/Helicarrier_Head2.jpg/440px-Helicarrier_Head2.jpg S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier]], Helicarrier,]] which is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. Spoofed by Warren Ellis in ''Nextwave'' with the[[http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n11/impbianco/09Aeromarine.jpg H.A.T.E. Aeromarinem]] which is a bunch of submarines welded together and equipped with oversized rocket thrusters.
4th Nov '17 12:42:42 PM WillKeaton
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* The USA had [[http://davidszondy.com/future/Flight/flying_sub.htm a similar idea]].
* The United Kingdom messed around a bit with a seaplane jet fighter, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_SR.A/1 Saunders-Roe SR.A/1]], and the Americans similarly worked on the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F2Y_Sea_Dart Convair F2Y Sea Dart]], but both nations moved away from seaplane fighters once carrier-born fighter jets became practical.

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* The USA had [[http://davidszondy.com/future/Flight/flying_sub.htm a similar idea]].
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* The United Kingdom messed around a bit with a seaplane jet fighter, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_SR.A/1 Saunders-Roe SR.A/1]], and the Americans similarly worked on the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F2Y_Sea_Dart Convair F2Y Sea Dart]], Dart,]] but both nations moved away from seaplane fighters once carrier-born fighter jets became practical.
4th Nov '17 12:41:55 PM WillKeaton
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* ''Blackhawk'' comics were in love with this trope. Along with the link to the flying submarine (above), there was an [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=60 underground fighter plane]],[[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=48 tornado-generating helicopter fortresses]], [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=39 combat kites]], the obligatory [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=25 flying aircraft carrier]] , [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=19 helicopter pogo-sticks]], [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=12 flying tanks]], and some sort of [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=12 flying on-fire-spinny-thing]]. And these weren't even all of them! ''Blackhawk'' comics had more fuzzy-science-derived plot devices than ''Star Trek''.
* Marvel has the [[http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/3/3c/Helicarrier_Head2.jpg/440px-Helicarrier_Head2.jpg S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier]], which is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. Spoofed by Warren Ellis in ''Nextwave'' with the[[http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n11/impbianco/09Aeromarine.jpg H.A.T.E. Aeromarine]], which is a bunch of submarines welded together and equipped with oversized rocket thrusters.

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* ''Blackhawk'' comics were in love with this trope. Along with the link to the flying submarine (above), there was an [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=60 underground fighter plane]],[[http://superdickery.plane]][[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=48 tornado-generating helicopter fortresses]], fortressesm]] [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=39 combat kites]], kites,]] the obligatory [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=25 flying aircraft carrier]] , carrier,]] [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=19 helicopter pogo-sticks]], pogo-sticks,]] [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=12 flying tanks]], and some sort of [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=12 flying on-fire-spinny-thing]]. on-fire-spinny-thing.]] And these weren't even all of them! ''Blackhawk'' comics had more fuzzy-science-derived plot devices than ''Star Trek''.
* Marvel has the [[http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/3/3c/Helicarrier_Head2.jpg/440px-Helicarrier_Head2.jpg S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier]], which is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. Spoofed by Warren Ellis in ''Nextwave'' with the[[http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n11/impbianco/09Aeromarine.jpg H.A.T.E. Aeromarine]], Aeromarinem]] which is a bunch of submarines welded together and equipped with oversized rocket thrusters.



* ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' has [[TransformingMecha Land-Air Mechs]] that transform between mech and aerospace fighter modes. Notably, though, there was an in-universe attempt to turn the Scorpion mech, a four-legged SpiderTank, and turn it into a LAM. This was just as successful as one might expect and the project was canceled after it was determined that it was good for nothing beyond [[ArmoredCoffin killing test pilots]].

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* ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' has [[TransformingMecha Land-Air Mechs]] that transform between mech and aerospace fighter modes. Notably, though, there was an in-universe attempt to turn the Scorpion mech, a four-legged SpiderTank, and turn it into a LAM. This was just as successful as one might expect and the project was canceled after it was determined that it was good for nothing beyond [[ArmoredCoffin [[ArmoredCoffins killing test pilots]].
4th Nov '17 12:39:56 PM WillKeaton
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*** so, what you're saying is that In Soviet Russia, water full of Tank?
*** [[http://www.perekop.ru/history/nord-crimea-1941-172sd/attachment/perekop-1941-t37-tanks/ Sometimes]] [[http://www.cultinfo.ru/fulltext/1/001/010/001/252522462.jpg it]] [[http://www.panoramio.com/photo/7070048 is]]. Though [[http://www.diorama.ru/forum/files/thumbs/t_pantera_svastika.jpg not always]] the same [[http://mk-armour.narod.ru/2003/b_02/Photo_36.jpg way]].

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*** so, what you're saying is that [[RussianReversal In Soviet Russia, Russia]], water full of Tank?
*** [[http://www.perekop.ru/history/nord-crimea-1941-172sd/attachment/perekop-1941-t37-tanks/ Sometimes]] [[http://www.cultinfo.ru/fulltext/1/001/010/001/252522462.jpg it]] [[http://www.panoramio.com/photo/7070048 is]]. is.]] Though [[http://www.diorama.ru/forum/files/thumbs/t_pantera_svastika.jpg not always]] the same [[http://mk-armour.narod.ru/2003/b_02/Photo_36.jpg way]].way.]]



* From [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=64 an old comic book]].

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* From [[http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=33&Itemid=52&limitstart=64 an old comic book]].book.]]
4th Nov '17 12:38:12 PM WillKeaton
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* Truth in Television once again. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_aircraft_carrier Everyone from the United States to Japan has toyed with making these]] at one point. Japan actually deployed at least two dozen such subs of three different designs by the end of World War II, each carrying a single floatplane apiece for scouting purposes. And the behemoth I-400 class submarines were tasked with attacking the Panama Canal with three floatplanes apiece (being initially tasked with "doomsday" attacks on the American mainland using biological weapons that were never successfully developed). Before they could actually act on these orders, the war ended and they were seized by the United States. Rather than allow the technology to fall into Russian hands per war alliance treaties, the Navy chose to [[http://starbulletin.com/2005/03/20/news/story1.html scuttle the subs instead]]. One of these subs became part of the plot for the Creator/CliveCussler novel ''[[Literature/DirkPittAdventures Black Wind]]'', in which it actually was carrying biological weapons.

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* Truth in Television once again. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_aircraft_carrier Everyone from the United States to Japan has toyed with making these]] at one point. Japan actually deployed at least two dozen such subs of three different designs by the end of World War II, each carrying a single floatplane apiece for scouting purposes. And the behemoth I-400 class submarines were tasked with attacking the Panama Canal with three floatplanes apiece (being initially tasked with "doomsday" attacks on the American mainland using biological weapons that were never successfully developed). Before they could actually act on these orders, the war ended and they were seized by the United States. Rather than allow the technology to fall into Russian hands per war alliance treaties, the Navy chose to [[http://starbulletin.com/2005/03/20/news/story1.html scuttle the subs instead]]. instead.]] One of these subs became part of the plot for the Creator/CliveCussler novel ''[[Literature/DirkPittAdventures Black Wind]]'', in which it actually was carrying biological weapons.



* On ''GIJoe'', Cobra had a couple, the most notable being the [[http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/90/hammerhead/hammerhead_title1.jpg Hammerhead]], which was not only a submersible tank, but also a submersible carrier for its own mini-fleet of smaller vehicles.

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* On ''GIJoe'', Cobra had a couple, the most notable being the [[http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/90/hammerhead/hammerhead_title1.jpg Hammerhead]], Hammerhead,]] which was not only a submersible tank, but also a submersible carrier for its own mini-fleet of smaller vehicles.
4th Nov '17 12:37:33 PM WillKeaton
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*** The Soviet [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-28 T-28]], nicknamed ''Postivaunu'' (Stagecoach) by Finns in WinterWar. Formidable three-turreted monster, but an abysmal failure in practise.

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*** The Soviet [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-28 T-28]], T-28,]] nicknamed ''Postivaunu'' (Stagecoach) by Finns in WinterWar. Formidable three-turreted monster, but an abysmal failure in practise.
4th Nov '17 12:36:54 PM WillKeaton
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** [[http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerkampfwagen-viii-maus-porsche-typ-205-tiger-iip.htm Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus.]] "Mouse". At 188 tons, it is the heaviest tank ever constructed. Yeah, they really built this monstrosity. Two prototypes were built; the V1 had a weighted mockup turret with no weaponry, while the V2 had a real turret and armament. Both were captured by Russian troops, but the V2 was gutted by internal explosions in the process. The turret from the V2 prototype survived reasonably intact, and was lifted off the ravaged V2 hull (using six captured 18-ton halftracks) and mated with the V1 hull. This hybrid vehicle was returned to Russia, and survives to this day [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Metro-maus1.jpg on display]] at the Kubinka tank museum.

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** The [[http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerkampfwagen-viii-maus-porsche-typ-205-tiger-iip.htm Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus.]] Maus]] AKA "Mouse". At 188 tons, it is the heaviest tank ever constructed. Yeah, they really built this monstrosity. Two prototypes were built; the V1 had a weighted mockup turret with no weaponry, while the V2 had a real turret and armament. Both were captured by Russian troops, but the V2 was gutted by internal explosions in the process. The turret from the V2 prototype survived reasonably intact, and was lifted off the ravaged V2 hull (using six captured 18-ton halftracks) and mated with the V1 hull. This hybrid vehicle was returned to Russia, and survives to this day [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Metro-maus1.jpg on display]] at the Kubinka tank museum.
4th Nov '17 12:36:22 PM WillKeaton
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* ''[[NoituLove Noitu Love 2]]'' has one as its [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK37gN7kCwQ very first boss]]. Humorously, when defeated, it sinks despite being fought ''on a city street''.

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* ''[[NoituLove Noitu Love 2]]'' has one as its [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK37gN7kCwQ very first boss]]. boss.]] Humorously, when defeated, it sinks despite being fought ''on a city street''.



** [[http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerkampfwagen-viii-maus-porsche-typ-205-tiger-iip.htm Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus]]. "Mouse". At 188 tons, it is the heaviest tank ever constructed. Yeah, they really built this monstrosity. Two prototypes were built; the V1 had a weighted mockup turret with no weaponry, while the V2 had a real turret and armament. Both were captured by Russian troops, but the V2 was gutted by internal explosions in the process. The turret from the V2 prototype survived reasonably intact, and was lifted off the ravaged V2 hull (using six captured 18-ton halftracks) and mated with the V1 hull. This hybrid vehicle was returned to Russia, and survives to this day [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Metro-maus1.jpg on display]] at the Kubinka tank museum.

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** [[http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerkampfwagen-viii-maus-porsche-typ-205-tiger-iip.htm Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus]]. Maus.]] "Mouse". At 188 tons, it is the heaviest tank ever constructed. Yeah, they really built this monstrosity. Two prototypes were built; the V1 had a weighted mockup turret with no weaponry, while the V2 had a real turret and armament. Both were captured by Russian troops, but the V2 was gutted by internal explosions in the process. The turret from the V2 prototype survived reasonably intact, and was lifted off the ravaged V2 hull (using six captured 18-ton halftracks) and mated with the V1 hull. This hybrid vehicle was returned to Russia, and survives to this day [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Metro-maus1.jpg on display]] at the Kubinka tank museum.



** One proposed German design featured ''a pair of battlecruiser cannon''. It's none other than the [[http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=293 Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte]] (Literally "Rat"; the fact that they called it "land cruiser" rather than "tank" is in and of itself telling). Wanna know what it would have looked like? [[http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/mauspic/ratte100.jpg Have fun]]. Note the soldier standing on top for scale.

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** One proposed German design featured ''a pair of battlecruiser cannon''. It's none other than the [[http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=293 Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte]] (Literally "Rat"; the fact that they called it "land cruiser" rather than "tank" is in and of itself telling). Wanna know what it would have looked like? [[http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/mauspic/ratte100.jpg Have fun]]. fun.]] Note the soldier standing on top for scale.



** French [[http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=282 Char 2C]]. 69 metric tons.

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** French [[http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=282 Char 2C]]. 2C.]] 69 metric tons.



*** This was based on the Earlier British [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_A1E1_Independent A1E1]], which was about as successful. Nor was the t-35 the only offshoot, for the Russians also built the T-28 and T-100, the British built the Medium Mk I, and Medium Mk III, and even the Germans got in on the act with the Neubaufahrzeug, though having a greater presence of mind, cancelled the idea soon after.

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*** This was based on the Earlier British [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_A1E1_Independent A1E1]], A1E1,]] which was about as successful. Nor was the t-35 the only offshoot, for the Russians also built the T-28 and T-100, the British built the Medium Mk I, and Medium Mk III, and even the Germans got in on the act with the Neubaufahrzeug, though having a greater presence of mind, cancelled the idea soon after.



* The tank itself was initially considered this, to the point that the first one not only were armed with [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_6_pounder_Hotchkiss naval guns]], but they were originally developed and crewed by the ''Royal Navy'' (the British Army had decided the idea was impractical. Winston Churchill, then First Lord of the Admiralty, disagreed, and was proven right). This naval heritage is still evident in some of the terminology of tanks, like bow, hull, turret, and hatch. Bonus point for originally being called ''landships'' before the name tank, chosen for secrecy (they told everyone, including the factory workers that built the first batch, they were mobile water tank for use in desert warfare in Mesopotamia), settled in. The original concept for the landship was for a much larger vehicle, from 300 to 1000 tons. However, it was soon realized that such behemoths were impractical to build and that "landships" would be needed in large numbers, resulting in the infinitely more practical 28-ton Mark I tank.

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* The tank itself was initially considered this, to the point that the first one not only were armed with [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_6_pounder_Hotchkiss naval guns]], guns,]] but they were originally developed and crewed by the ''Royal Navy'' (the British Army had decided the idea was impractical. Winston Churchill, then First Lord of the Admiralty, disagreed, and was proven right). This naval heritage is still evident in some of the terminology of tanks, like bow, hull, turret, and hatch. Bonus point for originally being called ''landships'' before the name tank, chosen for secrecy (they told everyone, including the factory workers that built the first batch, they were mobile water tank for use in desert warfare in Mesopotamia), settled in. The original concept for the landship was for a much larger vehicle, from 300 to 1000 tons. However, it was soon realized that such behemoths were impractical to build and that "landships" would be needed in large numbers, resulting in the infinitely more practical 28-ton Mark I tank.
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