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1st Jun '16 12:10:42 PM Soldancer
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* This can come up in multi-player ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' games. If one plays frequent games with more than two players, Kingmaker decks can become handy things to have...

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* This can come up in multi-player ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' games. If one plays frequent games with more than two players, Kingmaker decks can become handy things to have...have...
** Especially common in the popular Commander format, which is intended to be multi-player from the get-go. It's a frequent occurrence where one player has the resource to defeat one other player, but not all of them, and is in a position to be defeated by any of those players regardless of who he or she takes out first.



* The ''TabletopGame/VampireTheEternalStruggle'' CCG is designed around this. In multiplayer games, the rules dictate that a player can attack the player on his left on his turn, and '''only''' that player. In return, he need only defend himself from attacks by the player on his right. (Hunter > Player > Hunted, proceeding clockwise.) This leads to ''(and indeed, the game encourages)'' discussions, arguments, and dealmaking among the players, as a player can offer not to attack his target, leaving the target free to devote resources to attacking his own target, or the player can offer concessions to keep another player off his back while he launches a full-fledged assault. In addition, when a player is eliminated, the hunting order skips over him to the next player, making long-term planning a must.

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* The ''TabletopGame/VampireTheEternalStruggle'' CCG is designed around this. In multiplayer games, the rules dictate that a player can attack the player on his left on his turn, and '''only''' that player. In return, he need only defend himself from attacks by the player on his right. (Hunter > Player > Hunted, proceeding clockwise.) This leads to ''(and indeed, the game encourages)'' discussions, arguments, and dealmaking deal-making among the players, as a player can offer not to attack his target, leaving the target free to devote resources to attacking his own target, or the player can offer concessions to keep another player off his back while he launches a full-fledged assault. In addition, when a player is eliminated, the hunting order skips over him to the next player, making long-term planning a must.
31st May '16 6:31:41 AM johnnye
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* The major arc of ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' involves deciding which power bloc gets dominion over the Mojave. Pretty extreme example as the "kingmaker" in this case is ''[[OneManArmy a single individual]]''. There's also a subversion in that the player can supplant one of the major players and take power for themselves.

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* The major arc of ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' involves deciding which power bloc gets dominion over the Mojave. Pretty extreme example as the The "kingmaker" in this case is ''[[OneManArmy a single individual]]''.individual]]'', although the main way you influence the war is by persuading other minor factions to join your chosen side (or destroying them so they can't join the enemy). There's also a subversion in that the player can supplant one of the major players and take power for themselves.
27th May '16 8:35:22 AM Hanz
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* The major arc of ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' involves deciding which power bloc gets dominion over the Mojave. Pretty extreme example as the "kingmaker" in this case is ''[[OneManArmy a single individual]]''.

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* The major arc of ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' involves deciding which power bloc gets dominion over the Mojave. Pretty extreme example as the "kingmaker" in this case is ''[[OneManArmy a single individual]]''. There's also a subversion in that the player can supplant one of the major players and take power for themselves.
1st May '16 9:23:18 AM Discar
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->''“In a room sit three great men: a king, a priest, and a rich man with his gold. Between them stands a sellsword, a little man of common birth and no great mind. Each of the great ones bids him slay the other two. ‘Do it,’ says the king, ‘for I am your lawful ruler.’ ‘Do it,’ says the priest, ‘for I command you in the names of the gods.’ ‘Do it,’ says the rich man, ‘and all this gold shall be yours.’ So tell me – who lives and who dies?”''
-->--'''Varys''', ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''

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->''“In ->''"In a room sit three great men: a king, a priest, and a rich man with his gold. Between them stands a sellsword, a little man of common birth and no great mind. Each of the great ones bids him slay the other two. ‘Do it,’ 'Do it,' says the king, ‘for 'for I am your lawful ruler.’ ‘Do it,’ ' 'Do it,' says the priest, ‘for 'for I command you in the names of the gods.’ ‘Do it,’ ' 'Do it,' says the rich man, ‘and 'and all this gold shall be yours.' So tell me - who lives and who dies?”''
-->--'''Varys''',
dies?"''
-->-- '''Varys''',
''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''
19th Apr '16 9:31:18 PM DoctorCooper
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'''Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease'''. They tend to degenerate into a political Administrivia/ConversationInTheMainPage.

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'''Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease'''. '''Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease''' They tend to degenerate into a political Administrivia/ConversationInTheMainPage.Administrivia/ConversationInTheMainPage. [[noreallife]]
22nd Mar '16 10:42:08 AM nighttrainfm
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** ''Franchise/DragonAge'': This is the Modus Operandi of the Grey Wardens. In exchange for unwavering duty towards fighting the darkspawn for all eternity, the Grey Wardens have popularity over all kingdoms, iron-clad treaties from almost every nation that demand drafting from ALL citizens - from the lowest criminal to the highest king, all crimes and duties are dismissed in the face of wardenship, and knowledge and power that gives them control over the secret rulers of the world. This effectively makes them a world power that obtains near-absolute authority during the Blights, including the decision of which king gets the throne (they can just draft the one they don't want on the throne - which sort of happened in one of the novels). As one of the grey wardens, the player character in the first game has the ability to choose which king takes the throne. Twice. To be fair, they just went through a cesspit of cutthroats ruled over by a shortsighted psychopath to resolve the local calamity. Twice.

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** ''Franchise/DragonAge'': This is the Modus Operandi of the Grey Wardens. In exchange for unwavering duty towards fighting the darkspawn for all eternity, a lifetime, the Grey Wardens have popularity over all kingdoms, iron-clad treaties from almost every nation that demand drafting from ALL citizens - from the lowest criminal to the highest king, all crimes and duties are dismissed in the face of wardenship, wardenship. In between Blights, Wardens are encouraged to avoid politics, as it's ended badly before, and knowledge and power that gives them control over the secret rulers of the world. This effectively makes them treaties are as binding "as a world power that obtains near-absolute clever tongue can make them". ''During'' a Blight, however, their authority during the Blights, including the decision of which king gets the throne (they can just draft the one they don't want on the throne - which sort of happened in one of the novels). As one of the grey wardens, the player character in is theoretically absolute. In the first game has game, the ability to choose which king takes Warden protagonist can decide the throne. Twice. To be fair, they just went through a cesspit ruler of cutthroats ruled over by a shortsighted psychopath to resolve the local calamity. Twice.two separate nations:



*** Also applies to deciding Ferelden's ruler if your character isn't a human noble. Otherwise, there's also an option to marry one of the contenders for the throne.

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*** Also This also applies to deciding Ferelden's ruler if your character isn't a human noble. Otherwise, there's also an option to marry one of the contenders for the throne.throne yourself.
22nd Mar '16 10:37:17 AM nighttrainfm
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* During the Freeza Saga of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Vegeta tries to convince Krillin, Gohan, and Dende that they are in this position; they can't defeat Freeza on their own, but they ''can'' help Vegeta wish for immortality so that ''he'' can defeat Freeza. [[FridgeLogic It never seems to occur to them to wish for immortality for one of their own instead.]]
** With Goku being off-planet and Vegeta the absolute strongest of the remaining fighters, having Vegeta immortal would actually be the better option because none of the others stand a chance against the villain. Although Gohan or Krillin could become immortal, at that point they would still be unable to keep Freeza from killing the rest.

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* During the Freeza Saga of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Vegeta tries to convince Krillin, Gohan, and Dende that they are in this position; they can't defeat Freeza on their own, but they ''can'' help Vegeta wish for immortality so that ''he'' can defeat Freeza. [[FridgeLogic It never seems to occur to them to wish for immortality for one of their own instead.]]
** With Goku being off-planet and Vegeta the absolute strongest of the remaining fighters, having Vegeta immortal would actually be the better option because none of the others stand a chance against the villain. Although Gohan or Krillin could become immortal, at that point
They're understandably reluctant, but end up going along with it - except [[spoiler: Guru passes away right before they would still be unable to keep Freeza from killing can make the rest.third wish.]]
10th Mar '16 11:26:48 PM M84
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** Former Kingsguard Ser Barristan Selmy wants nothing to do with kingmaking, as befitting an honorable knight of the Kingsguard. Unfortunately, he's such a great example of an honorable [[KnightInShiningArmor "True Knight"]] that any candidate for the throne would gain legitimacy just by having him on their side. His ''very nature'' makes him a Kingmaker whether he likes it or not (and he doesn't).
8th Mar '16 6:27:54 PM AuraXtreme
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* During the Freeza Saga of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Vegeta tries to convince Krillin, Gohan, and Dende that they are in this position; they can't defeat Freeza on their own, but they ''can'' help Vegeta wish for immortality so that ''he'' can defeat Freeza. [[FridgeLogic It never seems to occur to them to wish for immortality for one of their own instead.]]

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* * During the Freeza Saga of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Vegeta tries to convince Krillin, Gohan, and Dende that they are in this position; they can't defeat Freeza on their own, but they ''can'' help Vegeta wish for immortality so that ''he'' can defeat Freeza. [[FridgeLogic It never seems to occur to them to wish for immortality for one of their own instead.]]


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* ''Anime/SengokuOtome'' has UsefulNotes/OdaNobunaga faced with UsefulNotes/TakedaShingen and UsefulNotes/UesugiKenshin. Both of them hold a part of the [[MacGuffin Crimson Armour]] that Nobunaga is trying to complete; [[YinYangClash being Takeda Shingen and Uesugi Kenshin]], they've fought 598 fights to 598 ''draws''. UsefulNotes/AkechiMitsuhide thus proposes that they join forces with one, claim the Armour piece of the other as spoils of war, and request the Armour piece of the first as payment. [[DefiedTrope Nobunaga takes away her glasses for even suggesting it]].
28th Dec '15 11:01:01 PM ImpudentInfidel
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*** In ''Videogame/DragonAgeInquisition'', the mission to avert Empress Celene's assassination turns into a scenario where you decide who will rule Orlais by the end of the party. Note that choosing anyone other than Celene [[spoiler:means ''allowing'' the assassination to take place, with you stepping up to "avenge" her.]]

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*** In ''Videogame/DragonAgeInquisition'', the mission to avert Empress Celene's assassination turns into a scenario where you decide who will rule Orlais by the end of the party. Note that choosing anyone other than Celene [[spoiler:means ''allowing'' the assassination to take place, with you stepping up to "avenge" her.]]]] In fact the situation ends up having ''four'' factions involved in addition to yours, two of which were trying to play kingmaker themselves (one openly and one in secret); the Inquisition's influence on the result is less about direct influence and more about what uncovered plots and counter-plots from the resulting mess they reveal to who.
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