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1st May '16 9:23:18 AM Discar
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->''“In a room sit three great men: a king, a priest, and a rich man with his gold. Between them stands a sellsword, a little man of common birth and no great mind. Each of the great ones bids him slay the other two. ‘Do it,’ says the king, ‘for I am your lawful ruler.’ ‘Do it,’ says the priest, ‘for I command you in the names of the gods.’ ‘Do it,’ says the rich man, ‘and all this gold shall be yours.’ So tell me – who lives and who dies?”''
-->--'''Varys''', ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''

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->''“In ->''"In a room sit three great men: a king, a priest, and a rich man with his gold. Between them stands a sellsword, a little man of common birth and no great mind. Each of the great ones bids him slay the other two. ‘Do it,’ 'Do it,' says the king, ‘for 'for I am your lawful ruler.’ ‘Do it,’ ' 'Do it,' says the priest, ‘for 'for I command you in the names of the gods.’ ‘Do it,’ ' 'Do it,' says the rich man, ‘and 'and all this gold shall be yours.' So tell me - who lives and who dies?”''
-->--'''Varys''',
dies?"''
-->-- '''Varys''',
''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''
19th Apr '16 9:31:18 PM DoctorCooper
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'''Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease'''. They tend to degenerate into a political Administrivia/ConversationInTheMainPage.

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'''Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease'''. '''Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease''' They tend to degenerate into a political Administrivia/ConversationInTheMainPage.Administrivia/ConversationInTheMainPage. [[noreallife]]
22nd Mar '16 10:42:08 AM nighttrainfm
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** ''Franchise/DragonAge'': This is the Modus Operandi of the Grey Wardens. In exchange for unwavering duty towards fighting the darkspawn for all eternity, the Grey Wardens have popularity over all kingdoms, iron-clad treaties from almost every nation that demand drafting from ALL citizens - from the lowest criminal to the highest king, all crimes and duties are dismissed in the face of wardenship, and knowledge and power that gives them control over the secret rulers of the world. This effectively makes them a world power that obtains near-absolute authority during the Blights, including the decision of which king gets the throne (they can just draft the one they don't want on the throne - which sort of happened in one of the novels). As one of the grey wardens, the player character in the first game has the ability to choose which king takes the throne. Twice. To be fair, they just went through a cesspit of cutthroats ruled over by a shortsighted psychopath to resolve the local calamity. Twice.

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** ''Franchise/DragonAge'': This is the Modus Operandi of the Grey Wardens. In exchange for unwavering duty towards fighting the darkspawn for all eternity, a lifetime, the Grey Wardens have popularity over all kingdoms, iron-clad treaties from almost every nation that demand drafting from ALL citizens - from the lowest criminal to the highest king, all crimes and duties are dismissed in the face of wardenship, wardenship. In between Blights, Wardens are encouraged to avoid politics, as it's ended badly before, and knowledge and power that gives them control over the secret rulers of the world. This effectively makes them treaties are as binding "as a world power that obtains near-absolute clever tongue can make them". ''During'' a Blight, however, their authority during the Blights, including the decision of which king gets the throne (they can just draft the one they don't want on the throne - which sort of happened in one of the novels). As one of the grey wardens, the player character in is theoretically absolute. In the first game has game, the ability to choose which king takes Warden protagonist can decide the throne. Twice. To be fair, they just went through a cesspit ruler of cutthroats ruled over by a shortsighted psychopath to resolve the local calamity. Twice.two separate nations:



*** Also applies to deciding Ferelden's ruler if your character isn't a human noble. Otherwise, there's also an option to marry one of the contenders for the throne.

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*** Also This also applies to deciding Ferelden's ruler if your character isn't a human noble. Otherwise, there's also an option to marry one of the contenders for the throne.throne yourself.
22nd Mar '16 10:37:17 AM nighttrainfm
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* During the Freeza Saga of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Vegeta tries to convince Krillin, Gohan, and Dende that they are in this position; they can't defeat Freeza on their own, but they ''can'' help Vegeta wish for immortality so that ''he'' can defeat Freeza. [[FridgeLogic It never seems to occur to them to wish for immortality for one of their own instead.]]
** With Goku being off-planet and Vegeta the absolute strongest of the remaining fighters, having Vegeta immortal would actually be the better option because none of the others stand a chance against the villain. Although Gohan or Krillin could become immortal, at that point they would still be unable to keep Freeza from killing the rest.

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* During the Freeza Saga of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Vegeta tries to convince Krillin, Gohan, and Dende that they are in this position; they can't defeat Freeza on their own, but they ''can'' help Vegeta wish for immortality so that ''he'' can defeat Freeza. [[FridgeLogic It never seems to occur to them to wish for immortality for one of their own instead.]]
** With Goku being off-planet and Vegeta the absolute strongest of the remaining fighters, having Vegeta immortal would actually be the better option because none of the others stand a chance against the villain. Although Gohan or Krillin could become immortal, at that point
They're understandably reluctant, but end up going along with it - except [[spoiler: Guru passes away right before they would still be unable to keep Freeza from killing can make the rest.third wish.]]
10th Mar '16 11:26:48 PM M84
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** Former Kingsguard Ser Barristan Selmy wants nothing to do with kingmaking, as befitting an honorable knight of the Kingsguard. Unfortunately, he's such a great example of an honorable [[KnightInShiningArmor "True Knight"]] that any candidate for the throne would gain legitimacy just by having him on their side. His ''very nature'' makes him a Kingmaker whether he likes it or not (and he doesn't).
8th Mar '16 6:27:54 PM AuraXtreme
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* During the Freeza Saga of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Vegeta tries to convince Krillin, Gohan, and Dende that they are in this position; they can't defeat Freeza on their own, but they ''can'' help Vegeta wish for immortality so that ''he'' can defeat Freeza. [[FridgeLogic It never seems to occur to them to wish for immortality for one of their own instead.]]

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* * During the Freeza Saga of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Vegeta tries to convince Krillin, Gohan, and Dende that they are in this position; they can't defeat Freeza on their own, but they ''can'' help Vegeta wish for immortality so that ''he'' can defeat Freeza. [[FridgeLogic It never seems to occur to them to wish for immortality for one of their own instead.]]


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* ''Anime/SengokuOtome'' has UsefulNotes/OdaNobunaga faced with UsefulNotes/TakedaShingen and UsefulNotes/UesugiKenshin. Both of them hold a part of the [[MacGuffin Crimson Armour]] that Nobunaga is trying to complete; [[YinYangClash being Takeda Shingen and Uesugi Kenshin]], they've fought 598 fights to 598 ''draws''. UsefulNotes/AkechiMitsuhide thus proposes that they join forces with one, claim the Armour piece of the other as spoils of war, and request the Armour piece of the first as payment. [[DefiedTrope Nobunaga takes away her glasses for even suggesting it]].
28th Dec '15 11:01:01 PM ImpudentInfidel
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*** In ''Videogame/DragonAgeInquisition'', the mission to avert Empress Celene's assassination turns into a scenario where you decide who will rule Orlais by the end of the party. Note that choosing anyone other than Celene [[spoiler:means ''allowing'' the assassination to take place, with you stepping up to "avenge" her.]]

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*** In ''Videogame/DragonAgeInquisition'', the mission to avert Empress Celene's assassination turns into a scenario where you decide who will rule Orlais by the end of the party. Note that choosing anyone other than Celene [[spoiler:means ''allowing'' the assassination to take place, with you stepping up to "avenge" her.]]]] In fact the situation ends up having ''four'' factions involved in addition to yours, two of which were trying to play kingmaker themselves (one openly and one in secret); the Inquisition's influence on the result is less about direct influence and more about what uncovered plots and counter-plots from the resulting mess they reveal to who.
15th Nov '15 12:11:53 AM MrThorfan64
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** Lord Mace Tyrell, Head of the powerful Tyrells, plays this part well. He supports Robert's youngest brother Renly in their attempted usurpation of the Iron Throne when they marry his daughter. [[spoiler:After Renly's death, he switches his support to the Lannisters so their candidate, [[TheCaligula Joffrey]], can marry his daughter.]]
31st Oct '15 3:18:25 PM elemt
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* Invoked in ''Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy'' in the second book; knowing that one army will be marching on them they manipulate a second into showing up so they can play this role, though with the aim of weakening both enough that they'll have to retreat. The approach of a third army composed of barely controlled inhuman berserkers does throw their already risky plans off a bit though.
22nd Oct '15 12:38:22 AM Str8taim
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* The ''NewJediOrder'' series of ''StarWars'' has one in the novel ''Destiny's Way''. The secondary plotline deals with the [[TheRepublic New Republic]] Senate and governemnt trying to regroup and reorganize on Mon Calamari, after the capital of Coruscant fell to the [[TheHorde Yuuzhan Vong invasion]]. New Republic Chief of State Borsk Feyla died in a (successful) attempt to destroy military archives and data at the presidential residence to keep them out of Yuuzhan Vong hands, a case of RedemptionEqualsDeath in his case. As such the Senate needs to elect a new leader quickly. There are five candidates for the office: Cal Omas, Fyor Rodan, Talaam Ranth, Cola Quis, and Pwoe. Quis has no real chance to win, and Pwoe is [[TheQuisling widely despised as a traitor]] after he tried to illegally declare himself Chief of State and was only interested in [[DirtyCoward fighting long enough to surrender to the Yuuzhan Vong]]. He only gets [[EpicFail three votes]] in the end. As such, the election is really between Omas, Rodan, and Ranth. Omas is the good candidate, wanting to work closely with the Jedi, and get the meddling politicians out of the military decision making (something that led to the invaders making it as far as they have). Rodan meanwhile is shady, arrogant, and has an IrrationalHatred of Jedi. Ranth meanwhile knew he couldn't beat the other two from the very start, planning all along to build up enough support to play the kingmaker. The first few rounds of voting having Omas and Rodan neck and neck, with Ranth in third with a pretty strong voting bloc. However, it ultimately proves unnecessary. Omas eventually pulls far ahead of Rodan, and by the time Ranth drops out and endorses him, Omas is all but assured a win and a majority on the final ballot. Omas wins with '''[[LandslideElection 85% support]]'''!!

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* The ''NewJediOrder'' series of ''StarWars'' has one in the novel ''Destiny's Way''. The secondary plotline deals with the [[TheRepublic New Republic]] Senate and governemnt government trying to regroup and reorganize on Mon Calamari, after the capital of Coruscant fell to the [[TheHorde Yuuzhan Vong invasion]]. New Republic Chief of State Borsk Feyla died in a (successful) attempt to destroy military archives and data at the presidential residence to keep them out of Yuuzhan Vong hands, a case of RedemptionEqualsDeath in his case. As such the Senate needs to elect a new leader quickly. There are five candidates for the office: Cal Omas, Fyor Rodan, Talaam Ranth, Cola Quis, and Pwoe. Quis has no real chance to win, and Pwoe is [[TheQuisling widely despised as a traitor]] after he tried to illegally declare himself Chief of State and was only interested in [[DirtyCoward fighting long enough to surrender to the Yuuzhan Vong]]. He only gets [[EpicFail three votes]] in the end. As such, the election is really between Omas, Rodan, and Ranth. Omas is the good candidate, wanting to work closely with the Jedi, and get the meddling politicians out of the military decision making (something that led to the invaders making it as far as they have). Rodan meanwhile is shady, arrogant, and has an IrrationalHatred of Jedi. Ranth meanwhile knew he couldn't beat the other two from the very start, planning all along to build up enough support to play the kingmaker. The first few rounds of voting having Omas and Rodan neck and neck, with Ranth in third with a pretty strong voting bloc. However, it ultimately proves unnecessary. Omas eventually pulls far ahead of Rodan, and by the time Ranth drops out and endorses him, Omas is all but assured a win and a majority on the final ballot. Omas wins with '''[[LandslideElection 85% support]]'''!!
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