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13th Apr '17 8:34:32 AM MarsJenkar
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* Captain Jack Sparrow is in this position in ''Film/PiratesOfTheCarribeanAtWorldsEnd''. Every other pirate has voted for themselves for Pirate King, and if he does the same, the result will be a deadlock and no one will be Pirate King. [[EnlightenedSelfInterest This is against his interests, so he gives one of the other candidates the vote needed to make them Pirate King]].

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* Captain Jack Sparrow is in this position in ''Film/PiratesOfTheCarribeanAtWorldsEnd''.''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanAtWorldsEnd''. Every other pirate has voted for themselves for Pirate King, and if he does the same, the result will be a deadlock and no one will be Pirate King. [[EnlightenedSelfInterest This is against his interests, so he gives one of the other candidates the vote needed to make them Pirate King]].
13th Apr '17 8:33:47 AM MarsJenkar
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* Captain Jack Sparrow is in this position in ''Film/PiratesOfTheCarribeanAtWorldsEnd''. Every other pirate has voted for themselves for Pirate King, and if he does the same, the result will be a deadlock and no one will be Pirate King. [[EnlightenedSelfInterest This is against his interests, so he gives one of the other candidates the vote needed to make them Pirate King]].
11th Apr '17 11:27:53 AM DragonRanger
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* Deliberately used in ''Series/{{Survivor}}'' - the eliminated contestants vote between the final two for the winner.
** Subverted in that, since Cook Islands, seasons have regularly ended with a final 3; this was to avoid a Kingmaker situation. The winner of the last immunity challenge would either be a dominant force that would take out their opponent, or they would be the Kingmaker, and hand the million dollars to another player. Of course, now you just have strong players trying to (and succeeding in) bringing ''two'' unpopular contestants to the jury vote.
** Kingmakers have appeared in almost every season since the fourth season in Marquesas.

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* Deliberately used in ''Series/{{Survivor}}'' - the eliminated contestants vote between the final two or three for the winner.
** Subverted in that, since Cook Islands, seasons have regularly ended with This also frequently showed up as a final 3; this result of the last Immunity Challenge when the show used a Final Two, as the challenge winner was free to avoid a Kingmaker situation. choose exactly who they faced in the finals. The winner of the last immunity challenge would either be a dominant force that would take out their opponent, or they would be the Kingmaker, and hand the million dollars to another player. The show has since made Final Three the standard specifically to avoid this situation. Of course, now you just have strong players trying to (and succeeding in) bringing ''two'' unpopular contestants to the jury vote.
** Kingmakers have appeared in almost every season since the fourth season in Marquesas.
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14th Feb '17 10:33:37 AM Caliburn_Absolute
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* They encountered a kingmaker scenario with the ''Mario Party 4'' board "Koopa's Seaside Soiree". NCS was at boo, and could steal from Jon, netting Chuggaa the win, or could steal from Chuggaa, netting Jon the win. [[spoiler:He stole ''coins'' from ''the '''AI''''', denying Chuggaa the coin star -- so, indirectly, he stole from Chuggaa.]]

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* ** They encountered a kingmaker scenario with the ''Mario Party 4'' board "Koopa's Seaside Soiree". NCS was at boo, and could steal from Jon, netting Chuggaa Chugga the win, or could steal from Chuggaa, Chugga, netting Jon the win. [[spoiler:He stole ''coins'' from ''the '''AI''''', denying Chuggaa Chugga the coin star -- so, indirectly, he stole from Chuggaa.Chugga.]]



* A nearly-identical situation happened in WebVideo/SteamTrain's playthrough of the game; in this case, Ross played kingmaker and helped Arin beat Suzy.

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* A nearly-identical situation happened in WebVideo/SteamTrain's playthrough of the game; ''VideoGame/FortuneStreet''; in this case, Ross played kingmaker and helped Arin beat Suzy.
11th Feb '17 3:44:18 PM Xtifr
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* Avalon Hill's ''King Maker'' is based on this trope. Set during the War of the Roses, each player controls a group of nobles, and tries to capture the royalty in each of the two conflicting houses. Once one of the houses is wiped out, the winner is the one with the most senior member of the surviving house. Neville the Kingmaker, mentioned above, is one of the stronger nobles in the game (though Percy is the most powerful).

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* Avalon Hill's ''King Maker'' Creator/AvalonHill's ''Kingmaker'' is based on this trope. Set during the War of the Roses, each player controls a group of nobles, and tries to capture the royalty in each of the two conflicting houses. Once one of the houses is wiped out, the winner is the one with the most senior member of the surviving house. Neville the Kingmaker, mentioned above, is one of the stronger nobles in the game (though Percy is the most powerful).
9th Feb '17 6:31:45 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': House Tyrell serves as this by supporting the Lannisters in the War of the Five Kings.
26th Jan '17 9:31:44 PM PaulA
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* One of the potential King parties, [[spoiler: Gaia]], in ''[[Literature/{{Foundation}} Foundation's Edge]]'' [[InvokedTrope engineers]] a kingmaker scenario. They very likely ''could'' have manipulated things to win without it (of the two other parties, only one of them was even vaguely aware of [[spoiler: Gaia]], and this was limited to deducing their possible existence from statistical analysis until evidence was deliberately provided), but they don't trust their own judgement as to which vision of the future would be best since they're inherently biased in favor of themselves -- so they manipulate things to create a MexicanStandoff between themselves, [[spoiler: the First Foundation and the Second Foundation]], with a single specific individual of near-preternatural intuition being able to tip the balance to any of the three factions. Whichever faction won the standoff would be able to gain a firm edge over the other two, and be set to have their vision be the dominant one.

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* One of the potential King parties, [[spoiler: Gaia]], [[spoiler:Gaia]], in ''[[Literature/{{Foundation}} Foundation's Edge]]'' ''Literature/FoundationsEdge'' [[InvokedTrope engineers]] a kingmaker scenario. They very likely ''could'' have manipulated things to win without it (of the two other parties, only one of them was even vaguely aware of [[spoiler: Gaia]], [[spoiler:Gaia]], and this was limited to deducing their possible existence from statistical analysis until evidence was deliberately provided), but they don't trust their own judgement as to which vision of the future would be best since they're inherently biased in favor of themselves -- so they manipulate things to create a MexicanStandoff between themselves, [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the First Foundation and the Second Foundation]], with a single specific individual of near-preternatural intuition being able to tip the balance to any of the three factions. Whichever faction won the standoff would be able to gain a firm edge over the other two, and be set to have their vision be the dominant one.
18th Jan '17 9:40:24 AM Cifer
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* Common in ''TabletopGame/{{Risk}}''. Also commonly averted in that most times the Kingmaker can later win through careful planning.

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* Common in ''TabletopGame/{{Risk}}''. Also commonly averted in The game will often devolve to a point where only some players have a chance at winning. To maintain fairness, the others are supposed to turtle up and defend as long as they can. Considering how much fun that most times the Kingmaker tends to be (i.e. ''not at all''), many a losing player shortened their suffering by a suicidal charge that weakened himself and another player to a point where someone else can later win through careful planning.easily take over both territories.
18th Jan '17 8:24:01 AM Cifer
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The kingmaker problem has roughly three degrees of severity, from worst to least-worst:
* The king-chooser who ''must'' declare another player the winner of the game without gaining anything for himself. Example: A rule that says "Award one point to the player to your right or your left" when both are one point away from winning. As this makes the game come down to "Who do I like more?", it's usually considered bad form in game design.
* The king-maker who ''may'' declare another player the winner of the game without gaining anything for himself. Example: A player who has no chance of winning can throw all his military might against another player so they are both weakened and can be scooped up by a third player, just to make the game end faster. While the problem is nearly impossible to avoid, the usual motivation behind it can be circumvented by not making players feel they have no chance at winning before the game is over.
* The king-breaker who ''may'' make it impossible or at least harder for another player to win without being in a position to profit from it. Example: A rule that says "Take one point from the player to your right or your left" when you're still trailing far behind them and the unhindered one will likely win. This is the least of the kingmaking sins and very hard to avoid because doing so also kills many completely fine game mechanics.
16th Jan '17 3:28:33 PM StFan
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* LetsPlay/TheRunawayGuys did a game of FortuneStreet. LetsPlay/{{Chuggaaconroy}} wound up having no hope of winning, so he devoted his efforts into making sure the close game between LetsPlay/NintendoCapriSun and LetsPlay/ProtonJon went in NCS's favor... or rather, making sure it didn't go in Jon's favor.
** A nearly-identical situation happened in WebVideo/SteamTrain's playthrough of the game; in this case, Ross played kingmaker and helped Arin beat Suzy.
** LetsPlay/TheRunawayGuys encountered another kingmaker scenario with the Mario Party 4 board "Koopa's Seaside Soiree". NCS was at boo, and could steal from Jon, netting Chuggaa the win, or could steal from Chuggaa, netting Jon the win. [[spoiler:He stole ''coins'' from ''the '''AI''''', denying Chuggaa the coin star - so, indirectly, he stole from Chuggaa.]]

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* LetsPlay/TheRunawayGuys LetsPlay/TheRunawayGuys:
* They encountered a kingmaker scenario with the ''Mario Party 4'' board "Koopa's Seaside Soiree". NCS was at boo, and could steal from Jon, netting Chuggaa the win, or could steal from Chuggaa, netting Jon the win. [[spoiler:He stole ''coins'' from ''the '''AI''''', denying Chuggaa the coin star -- so, indirectly, he stole from Chuggaa.]]
** They also
did a game of FortuneStreet.''VideoGame/FortuneStreet''. LetsPlay/{{Chuggaaconroy}} wound up having no hope of winning, so he devoted his efforts into making sure the close game between LetsPlay/NintendoCapriSun and LetsPlay/ProtonJon went in NCS's favor... or rather, making sure it didn't go in Jon's favor.
** * A nearly-identical situation happened in WebVideo/SteamTrain's playthrough of the game; in this case, Ross played kingmaker and helped Arin beat Suzy.
** LetsPlay/TheRunawayGuys encountered another kingmaker scenario with the Mario Party 4 board "Koopa's Seaside Soiree". NCS was at boo, and could steal from Jon, netting Chuggaa the win, or could steal from Chuggaa, netting Jon the win. [[spoiler:He stole ''coins'' from ''the '''AI''''', denying Chuggaa the coin star - so, indirectly, he stole from Chuggaa.]]
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* In ''{{WesternAnimation/Gargoyles}}'', Findlaech seemed to be a Kingmaker, or at least Duncan saw him as such (and ordered him murdered so that he couldn't raise his son Macbeth to the throne).

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* In ''{{WesternAnimation/Gargoyles}}'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'', Findlaech seemed to be a Kingmaker, or at least Duncan saw him as such (and ordered him murdered so that he couldn't raise his son Macbeth to the throne).



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