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** [[YourMileageMayVary Does being whiny justify dying?]]
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* One of the gangs in CityOfGod was led by a man who at first just wanted to avenge the death of his son at the hands of another gang leader.
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* In Red Witch's ''Sins of the Father,'' Walsh seizes an opportunity in the chaos of the Black Rose's attempted coup to [[spoiler: stab Senator Wheiner in the gut]]. While most of the fandom would agree the aforementioned "son of a bitch" definitely had it coming, the fact that he [[spoiler: leaves the Series 5 team in danger to do it]], and then runs off without leaving behind any answers, especially for the devastated Shane [[spoiler: who had just found out Walsh is his genetic father]], makes it a lot more nebulous.

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* In Red Witch's ''Sins of the Father,'' Walsh seizes an opportunity in the chaos of the Black Rose's attempted coup to [[spoiler: stab Senator Wheiner in the gut]].Wheiner]]. While most of the fandom would agree the aforementioned "son of a bitch" definitely had it coming, the fact that he [[spoiler: leaves the Series 5 team in danger to do it]], and then runs off without leaving behind any answers, especially for the devastated Shane [[spoiler: who had just found out Walsh is his genetic father]], makes it a lot more nebulous.
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* Every time [[XMen Magneto]] clashes with anti-mutant hate groups.
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* In MuhyoAndRoji, this is applied retroactively to two of Enchu's victims, as when their deaths are first mentioned, we don't know that they did anything to deserve it. However, it's later revealed that they treated Rio terribly; one forced her to wear revealing clothes to class so that she could sell her tools, another mocked her for doing so, and both refused to save her mother from a haunt, [[spoiler:causing her FaceHeelTurn]].


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* In {{Warcraft}} III: The Frozen Throne, Sylvanas' betraying and killing [[GeneralRipper Garithos]] after helping him retake Lordaeron is supposed to be seen as morally questionable, especially since [[AlwaysChaoticEvil the dreadlord Varimathras]] suggests that [[NotSoDifferent she's getting close to being like him]], but he was [[FantasticRacism racist]] enough to order Kael'thas' execution and result in him joining Illidan, and his last words are [[UngratefulBastard ordering Sylvanas and her followers out of the city]], rather than expressing shock or outrage over the berayal.
* In the Death Knight starting quests in WorldOfWarcraft, the players' main victims are the Scarlet Crusade, whose enemies are not only the Scourge, but also anyone they suspect as being a heretic, and whose leaders are apparently planning on abandoning many of their people to move on to Northrend. Granted, many of them are innocent peasants who can barely fight back, but both the Alliance and the Horde see the Scarlet Crusade as their enemies, and they contribute nothing positive to the struggle against the Scourge.

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* In ''CodeGeass R2'', Charles does this to [[spoiler:V. V. by taking his code and leaving him to die]].

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* In ''CodeGeass R2'', Charles does this to [[spoiler:V. V. by taking his code and leaving him to die]].die. ""You have lied to me for the last time.", indeed.]].



* From ''SailorMoon'', there's [[CompleteMonster Rubeus]]. He was a very irritating SmugSnake who treated his QuirkyMiniBossSquad, the Ayakashi Sisters, like shit -- specially the one who loved him, Cooan. When he was left to die by his fellow villain Green Esmeraude, he had kicked the dog so many times that seeing him die felt like a KarmicDeath.
* [[CodeGeass "You have lied to me for the last time."]]

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* From ''SailorMoon'', there's [[CompleteMonster Rubeus]]. He was a very irritating SmugSnake who treated his QuirkyMiniBossSquad, the Ayakashi Sisters, like shit -- specially the one who loved him, Cooan. When he was left to die by his fellow villain Green Esmeraude, he had kicked the dog so many times that seeing him die felt like a KarmicDeath.
* [[CodeGeass "You have lied to me for the last time."]]
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* [[CodeGeass "You have lied to me for the last time."]]
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There's nothing quite so evil as when a character takes a clear step toward villainy and decides to KickTheDog. Sometimes, though, the kick falls flat -- not because it wasn't evil, mind you. The intent, maliciousness and ill will are all there. It's just that at this moment, the dog isn't a sweet innocent puppy. It's a devious son of a bitch that's trying to bite off someone's leg. A great way to [[IncrediblyLamePun kick off]] a start off a believable StartOfDarkness while keeping the character sympathetic. Sure they start off kicking the BAD dogs, but it just feels so satisfying that eventually that sweet innocent puppy is just ASKING for it with his annoying little yips and barks...

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There's nothing quite so evil as when a character takes a clear step toward villainy and decides to KickTheDog. Sometimes, though, the kick falls flat -- not because it wasn't evil, mind you. The intent, maliciousness and ill will are all there. It's just that at this moment, the dog isn't a sweet innocent puppy. It's a devious son of a bitch that's trying to bite off someone's leg. A great way to [[IncrediblyLamePun kick off]] a start off a believable StartOfDarkness while keeping the character sympathetic. Sure they start off kicking the BAD dogs, dogs who might deserve it, but it just feels so satisfying that eventually that sweet innocent puppy is just ASKING for it with his annoying little yips and barks...
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There's nothing quite so evil as when a character takes a clear step toward villainy and decides to KickTheDog. Sometimes, though, the kick falls flat -- not because it wasn't evil, mind you. The intent, maliciousness and ill will are all there. It's just that at this moment, the dog isn't a sweet innocent puppy. It's a devious son of a bitch that's trying to bite off someone's leg. A great way to [[IncrediblLamePun kick off]] a start off a believable StartOfDarkness while keeping the character sympathetic. Sure they start off kicking the BAD dogs, but it just feels so satisfying that eventually that sweet innocent puppy is just ASKING for it with his annoying little yips and barks...

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There's nothing quite so evil as when a character takes a clear step toward villainy and decides to KickTheDog. Sometimes, though, the kick falls flat -- not because it wasn't evil, mind you. The intent, maliciousness and ill will are all there. It's just that at this moment, the dog isn't a sweet innocent puppy. It's a devious son of a bitch that's trying to bite off someone's leg. A great way to [[IncrediblLamePun [[IncrediblyLamePun kick off]] a start off a believable StartOfDarkness while keeping the character sympathetic. Sure they start off kicking the BAD dogs, but it just feels so satisfying that eventually that sweet innocent puppy is just ASKING for it with his annoying little yips and barks...
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There's nothing quite so evil as when a character takes a clear step toward villainy and decides to KickTheDog. Sometimes, though, the kick falls flat -- not because it wasn't evil, mind you. The intent, maliciousness and ill will are all there. It's just that at this moment, the dog isn't a sweet innocent puppy. It's a devious son of a bitch that's trying to bite off someone's leg.

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There's nothing quite so evil as when a character takes a clear step toward villainy and decides to KickTheDog. Sometimes, though, the kick falls flat -- not because it wasn't evil, mind you. The intent, maliciousness and ill will are all there. It's just that at this moment, the dog isn't a sweet innocent puppy. It's a devious son of a bitch that's trying to bite off someone's leg.
leg. A great way to [[IncrediblLamePun kick off]] a start off a believable StartOfDarkness while keeping the character sympathetic. Sure they start off kicking the BAD dogs, but it just feels so satisfying that eventually that sweet innocent puppy is just ASKING for it with his annoying little yips and barks...
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** And [[{{Jerkass}} Spandam]] in Franky's backstory, where it happened not once, but twice! First by Franky's father figure Tom, who would have possibly killed him haven't he been stoped after the first blow and then shortly after by [[spoiler: Franky himself]] who left him with permanent face damage.

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** And [[{{Jerkass}} Spandam]] in Franky's backstory, where it happened not once, but twice! First by Franky's father figure Tom, who would have possibly killed him haven't he been stoped stopped after the first blow and then shortly after by [[spoiler: Franky himself]] who left him with permanent face damage.



* Played for laughs in the ''{{Transformers}}'' fic, ''They Just Don't Care Anymore'', where Galvatron kidnaps and threatens to kill [[AcceptableReligiousTargets Fred Phelps]], mistaking him for a beloved celebrity. Not only do people not care, they activley encourage Galvatron to kill him, which Galvatron confuses for reverse psychology.

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* Played for laughs in the ''{{Transformers}}'' fic, ''They Just Don't Care Anymore'', where Galvatron kidnaps and threatens to kill [[AcceptableReligiousTargets Fred Phelps]], mistaking him for a beloved celebrity. Not only do people not care, they activley actively encourage Galvatron to kill him, which Galvatron confuses for reverse psychology.



** Von Trier deconstructs the trope to hell: [[spoiler:Grace subjected herself to abuse, because she wanted to be chastised for being born as a BertoltBrecht "bourgeois faschist" character (based on ''ThePirateJenny''). When she realizes she doesn't have the strength to escape this identity, she rationalizes her destruction of the town as a mercy killing, just like the town rationalized their actions against her as just and merciful. In short, EVERYONE is a bastard, Grace hasn't learned a thing by the end, and the townspeople become the victims of Grace's thoroughly misguided urge to suffer.]]

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** Von Trier deconstructs the trope to hell: [[spoiler:Grace subjected herself to abuse, because she wanted to be chastised for being born as a BertoltBrecht "bourgeois faschist" fascist" character (based on ''ThePirateJenny''). When she realizes she doesn't have the strength to escape this identity, she rationalizes her destruction of the town as a mercy killing, just like the town rationalized their actions against her as just and merciful. In short, EVERYONE is a bastard, Grace hasn't learned a thing by the end, and the townspeople become the victims of Grace's thoroughly misguided urge to suffer.]]



* In ''FateStayNight'', Shinji Matou is the son of a bitch in question. The first kick would be Ilya brutally killing him after Rider is beaten by Saber. Shirou is horrified, the rest of us just think Ilya is awesome. [[spoiler:And Sakura's FaceHeelTurn is marked by her beheading Shinji. In this case, the story doesn't really act like this was the wrong thing to do (he was midway through attempting to rape her, and has been raping her for many years) but it still marks the point where she decides FINE. FUCK IT. I'll be evil!]]

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* In ''FateStayNight'', Shinji Matou is the son of a bitch in question. The first kick would be Ilya brutally killing him after Rider is beaten by Saber. Shirou is horrified, horrified; the rest of us just think Ilya is awesome. [[spoiler:And Sakura's FaceHeelTurn is marked by her beheading Shinji. In this case, the story doesn't really act like this was the wrong thing to do (he was midway through attempting to rape her, and has been raping her for many years) but it still marks the point where she decides FINE. FUCK IT. I'll be evil!]]
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***Unless that ''was'' Simon's idea of revenge?
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* Played for laughs in the ''{{Transformers}}'' fic, ''They Just Don't Care Anymore'', where Galvatron kidnaps and threatens to kill [[AcceptableReligiousTargets Fred Phelps]], mistaking him for a beloved celbrity. Not only do people not care, they activley encourage Galvatron to kill him, which Galvatron confuses for reverse psychology.

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* Played for laughs in the ''{{Transformers}}'' fic, ''They Just Don't Care Anymore'', where Galvatron kidnaps and threatens to kill [[AcceptableReligiousTargets Fred Phelps]], mistaking him for a beloved celbrity.celebrity. Not only do people not care, they activley encourage Galvatron to kill him, which Galvatron confuses for reverse psychology.



* In Red Witch's ''Sins of the Father,'' Walsh seizes an opportunity in the chaos of the Black Rose's attempted coup to [[spoiler: stab Senator Wheiner in the gut]].

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* In Red Witch's ''Sins of the Father,'' Walsh seizes an opportunity in the chaos of the Black Rose's attempted coup to [[spoiler: stab Senator Wheiner in the gut]]. While most of the fandom would agree the aforementioned "son of a bitch" definitely had it coming, the fact that he [[spoiler: leaves the Series 5 team in danger to do it]], and then runs off without leaving behind any answers, especially for the devastated Shane [[spoiler: who had just found out Walsh is his genetic father]], makes it a lot more nebulous.
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* In Red Witch's ''Sins of the Father,'' Walsh seizes an opportunity in the chaos of the Black Rose's attempted coup to [[spoiler: stab Senator Wheiner in the gut]].
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* In ''72Hours'', when AxCrazy [[spoiler:Damien]] literally crucifies CompleteMonster [[KnightTemplar Katie Snyder,]] pretty much everyone was cheering.
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* Rob Zombie wasn't going for moral ambiguity in ''TheDevilsRejects''; he clearly wanted his audience to hate William Forsythe's character by giving him lots of dog-kicking moments when he captures the [[VillainSue Firefly clan.]] The problem that Mr. Zombie evidently missed is that said clan spent two movies both physically and psychologically torturing and then murdering countless innocent people, which really puts a dent in many viewers' sympathy for them.
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* [[BigBad Katherine]] of ''TheVampireDiaries'' is almost certainly the most evil and dangerous character on the show. But since she announced her presence by killing [[spoiler:Uncle John]], its a little hard to see her as a villain.
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** A case in point: When Lelouch [[spoiler:has the Black Knights massacre the Geass Cult]]. Much like the Roy Mustang example above, it's obviously played as Lelouch heading down the slippery slope, it's just that his victims weren't exactly very nice people, given what they are responsible for.
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* In the DaleBrown novel ''Wings of Fire'', Chris Wohl's killing of [[spoiler: Pavel Kazakov, two stabs to the diaphragm that fill his lungs with blood, followed by a stab-and-slash to the throat]], is vicious by any objective standard, but considering the evil scum he was doing it to...
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** Snails was the OdiousComicRelief, often a far worse character than any CompleteMonster.
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* ''SuperRobotWarsJ'' gave us [[GundamSeed Rau Le Creseut]] getting a {{Crowning Moment of Awesome}} by killing [[spoiler:Haruki Kusakabe from ''MartianSuccessorNadescio'', who is arguably more of an asshole than Rau ever could be]]

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* ''SuperRobotWarsJ'' gave us [[GundamSeed Rau Le Creseut]] getting a {{Crowning Moment of Awesome}} by killing [[spoiler:Haruki Kusakabe from ''MartianSuccessorNadescio'', ''MartianSuccessorNadesico'', who is arguably more of an asshole than Rau ever could be]]
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* PlayedForLaughs (just like everything else) in {{Kickassia}} when ChannelAwesome did ''literally'' this to the Critic, after six episode of abusing his subordinates, stealing their ideas, bad management and ''trying to blow them all up''. Depends on [[YourMileageMayVary where]] [[ChewToy he falls]] [[{{Jerkass}} on the]] [[JerassWoobie Sympathy]] [[TheWoobie scale]] for you, though.

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* PlayedForLaughs (just like everything else) in {{Kickassia}} when ChannelAwesome did ''literally'' this to the Critic, after six episode of abusing his subordinates, stealing their ideas, bad management and ''trying to blow them all up''. Depends on [[YourMileageMayVary where]] [[ChewToy he falls]] [[{{Jerkass}} on the]] [[JerassWoobie [[JerkassWoobie Sympathy]] [[TheWoobie scale]] for you, though.
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* PlayedForLaughs (just like everything else) in {{Kickassia}} when ChannelAwesome did ''literally'' this to the Critic, after six episode of abusing his subordinates, stealing their ideas, bad management and ''trying to blow them all up''. Depends on [[YourMileageMayVary where]] [[ChewToy he falls]] [[{{Jerkass}} on the]] [[JerassWoobie Sympathy]] [[TheWoobie scale]] for you, though.
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* {{Misfile}} can have these occasionally. Missi gets excluded from an event? Of course, she's an annoying brat. Emily and Rumi have these moments too.

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* {{Misfile}} can have these occasionally. Missi gets excluded from an event? Of course, she's an annoying brat. Emily and Rumi have these isn't getting her costume made by Missi? Why would she, the way she acts towards her? Pretty much every character in the comic has moments too.of being a complete ass, so who you sympathize with and who you wish would die simply boils down to who you identify with better.
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* ''SuperRobotWarsJ'' gave us [[GundamSeed Rau Le Creseut]] getting a {{Crowning Moment of Awesome}} by killing [[spoiler:Haruki Kusakabe from Nadescio, who is arguably more of an asshole than Rau ever could be]]

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* ''SuperRobotWarsJ'' gave us [[GundamSeed Rau Le Creseut]] getting a {{Crowning Moment of Awesome}} by killing [[spoiler:Haruki Kusakabe from Nadescio, ''MartianSuccessorNadescio'', who is arguably more of an asshole than Rau ever could be]]
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* Sandor Clegane in A Song of Ice and Fire is noted for an extreme desire to kill his older brother. While that should be an indication that Sandor Clegane is a twisted person,the incident with the toy knight makes it far less of one.

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* Sandor Clegane in A Song of Ice and Fire SongOfIceAndFire is noted for an extreme desire to kill his older brother. brother Gregor. While that should be an indication that Sandor Clegane is a twisted person,the incident with the toy knight where young Gregor ''burned child Sandor's face and almost killed him'' for playing with it... makes it far less of one.one. And then you learn that Gregor is the most infamous CompleteMonster in Westeros...
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* Sandor Clegane in A Song of Ice and Fire is noted for an extreme desire to kill his older brother. While that should be an indication that Sandor Clegane is a twisted person,the incident with the toy knight makes it far less of one.
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*** Kevin is a mostly reformed villian. He's expected to be more morally grey than Ben and Qwen, who might not be excused for such an act.
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See also KickTheDog, AssholeVictim, EvenEvilHasStandards. Compare with AlasPoorScrappy, PokeThePoodle, and DesignatedVillain. Similar, but not to be confused with, PayEvilUntoEvil.

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See also KickTheDog, TakeThatScrappy, AssholeVictim, EvenEvilHasStandards. Compare with AlasPoorScrappy, PokeThePoodle, and DesignatedVillain. Similar, but not to be confused with, PayEvilUntoEvil.
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* {{Misfile}} can have these occasionally. Missi gets excluded from an event? Of course, she's an annoying brat. Emily and Rumi have these moments too.

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