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1st May '16 10:02:41 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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** ThoseWackyNazs were particularly good at setting up a system that rewards ideological fellowship over blind obedience: In the Nazi bureaucracy, orders often weren't formulated explicitly. Instead they vaguely formulated goals and had their subordinates do what is necessary to achieve them.

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** ThoseWackyNazs ThoseWackyNazis were particularly good at setting up a system that rewards ideological fellowship over blind obedience: In the Nazi bureaucracy, orders often weren't formulated explicitly. Instead they vaguely formulated goals and had their subordinates do what is necessary to achieve them.
1st May '16 10:01:52 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* The infamous [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce Christmas Truces]] in World Wars I and II were proof that many soldiers on both sides had no interest in killing each other outside of being ordered to do so. Many of these truces actually had the armies from both sides venturing out into No-Man's Land together to bury fallen comrades, exchange gifts, play football, and even ''sing carols.''

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* The infamous [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce Christmas Truces]] in World Wars I and II were proof that many soldiers on both sides had no interest in killing each other outside of being ordered to do so. Many of these truces actually had the armies from both sides venturing out into No-Man's Land together to bury fallen comrades, exchange gifts, play football, and even ''sing carols.''



** This can be an even stronger motivation for immoral behavior than just being forced into obedience. Also, the belief that it is for a higher good, be it [[ForScience science]] or [[PoliticalIdeologies an ideology]], motivates people to transgress moral norms.
** [[ThoseWackyNazis The Nazis]] were particularly good at setting up a system that rewards ideological fellowship over blind obedience: In the Nazi bureaucracy, orders often weren't formulated explicitly. Instead they vaguely formulated goals and had their subordinates do what is necessary to achieve them.
* Another famous experiment, the StanfordPrisonExperiment, showed that even ordinary people given authority over their peers will invariably become drunk on power, ''[[PunchClockVillain even when they go back to normal lives outside of the prison]]''. More recent experiments have shown that one is more likely to abuse authority if the position involves power without respect and/or prestige (e.g. traffic cops, the DMV, staff managers). This means they won't get in trouble if caught and are unlikely to lose much even if they do. Or they hate the job so much they just don't care.

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** This can be an even stronger motivation for immoral behavior than just being forced into obedience. Also, the belief that it is for a higher good, be it [[ForScience science]] or [[PoliticalIdeologies [[UsefulNotes/PoliticalIdeologies an ideology]], motivates people to transgress moral norms.
** [[ThoseWackyNazis The Nazis]] ThoseWackyNazs were particularly good at setting up a system that rewards ideological fellowship over blind obedience: In the Nazi bureaucracy, orders often weren't formulated explicitly. Instead they vaguely formulated goals and had their subordinates do what is necessary to achieve them.
* Another famous experiment, the StanfordPrisonExperiment, showed appeared to demonstrate that even ordinary people given authority over their peers will invariably can become drunk on power, ''[[PunchClockVillain ''[[BecomingTheMask even when they go back to normal lives outside of the prison]]''. More recent experiments have shown that one is more likely to abuse authority if the position involves power without respect and/or prestige (e.g. traffic cops, the DMV, staff managers). This means they won't get in trouble if caught and are unlikely to lose much even if they do. Or they hate the job so much they just don't care.
10th Apr '16 3:21:28 AM outlander2012
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* Plenty of villains and Mooks try to use this to justify their involvement in the Other Side's plans in the ''Literature/President'sVampire'' series. It never sways the protagonist, Nathaniel Cade, a bit.

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* Plenty of villains and Mooks try to use this to justify their involvement in the Other Side's plans in the ''Literature/President'sVampire'' ''Literature/PresidentsVampire'' series. It never sways the protagonist, Nathaniel Cade, a bit.
10th Apr '16 3:14:42 AM outlander2012
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* Plenty of villains and Mooks try to use this to justify their involvement in the Other Side's plans in the ''Literature/President'sVampire'' series. It never sways the protagonist, Nathaniel Cade, a bit.
-->'''Nathaniel Cade''': Just following orders? I was ''there'' when that defence was invented. It didn't work then, either.
24th Mar '16 5:02:43 AM Morgenthaler
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-->'''Dax:''' Well, that's good, but you forgot about the children.\\

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-->'''Dax:''' Well, that's good, but you [[ThinkOfTheChildren forgot about the children.children]].\\
24th Mar '16 4:50:57 AM Morgenthaler
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* From the ''Series/BlakesSeven'' episode "Headhunter":

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* ''Series/BlakesSeven'':
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From the ''Series/BlakesSeven'' episode "Headhunter":



* In ''Series/TheThickOfIt'', Hapless minister Hugh Abbot is about to introduce a new bill about special needs schooling, and gets uncomfortable around an aide who opposes it because he thinks the bill will fail his own child.

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* In ''Series/TheThickOfIt'', ''Series/TheThickOfIt'':
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Hapless minister Hugh Abbot is about to introduce a new bill about special needs schooling, and gets uncomfortable around an aide who opposes it because he thinks the bill will fail his own child.



* ''Series/DoctorWho'': Word of advice, do ''not'' invoke this trope around the Doctor. It will only make him mad. For example, this exchange from "Bad Wolf":

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* ''Series/DoctorWho'': ''Series/DoctorWho'':
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Word of advice, do ''not'' invoke this trope around the Doctor. It will only make him mad. For example, this exchange from "Bad Wolf":
24th Mar '16 4:48:35 AM Morgenthaler
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* Invoked in Episode 6 of ''Series/TorchwoodMiracleDay'' when Gwen confronts Dr. Patel about the [[spoiler:incineration of 'Category One' patients]]. Dr. Patel begins to protest, and Gwen interrupts her.

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* ''Series/TorchwoodMiracleDay'':
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Invoked in Episode 6 of ''Series/TorchwoodMiracleDay'' when Gwen confronts Dr. Patel about the [[spoiler:incineration of 'Category One' patients]]. Dr. Patel begins to protest, and Gwen interrupts her.



* Invoked by Jack O'Neill in the ''Series/StargateSG1'' episode "Cor'Ai", where Teal'c stood trial on another world for crimes he committed there while under the service of the Goa'uld:

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* ''Series/StargateSG1'':
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Invoked by Jack O'Neill in the ''Series/StargateSG1'' episode "Cor'Ai", where Teal'c stood trial on another world for crimes he committed there while under the service of the Goa'uld:
24th Mar '16 4:46:00 AM Morgenthaler
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* Used in ''Series/{{V}}'' by humans to justify working for the visitors. One woman is called out on this, being told that the same excuse was used at the Nuremberg Trials.

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* ''Series/{{V 1983}}'': Used in ''Series/{{V}}'' by some humans to justify working for the visitors. One woman female reporter is called out on this, being told that the same excuse was used at the Nuremberg Trials.
23rd Feb '16 3:54:58 AM gravious
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--> [[spoiler: '''Kaufman:''']] [[Ain'tTooProudToBeg Wait! I'm just a professional doing a job!]]

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--> [[spoiler: '''Kaufman:''']] [[Ain'tTooProudToBeg [[AintTooProudToBeg Wait! I'm just a professional doing a job!]]
23rd Feb '16 3:54:31 AM gravious
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--> [[spoiler: '''Kaufman:''']] Wait! I'm just a professional doing a job!

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--> [[spoiler: '''Kaufman:''']] [[Ain'tTooProudToBeg Wait! I'm just a professional doing a job!job!]]
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