History Main / JustFollowingOrders

23rd Mar '17 4:06:09 PM Dolphinjamez
Is there an issue? Send a Message


It ''seems'' justifiable if you put yourself in their shoes. One is legally trapped between the prospect of immediate punishment from national law, or possibly delayed punishment from an international court attempting to judge from a higher moral law. [[TrappedInVillainy If your life and/or your family's life was threatened]] if you disobeyed orders you knew to be morally reprehensible, what would you do? This was the choice presented to the 'Hiwis' (conscripted from Soviet POW and civilians), Jewich Police (recruited by the Jewish Councils from the ghetto populations), and 'Sonderkommando' (recruited from Extermination Camp inmates). This is why the surviving Hiwis, Jewish Police, and Sonderkommando were never tried for War Crimes or Crimes Against Humanity, but some of the senior commanders of the German troops who supervised them (volunteers legally and practically entitled to opt out, as many did) were.

to:

It ''seems'' justifiable if you put yourself in their shoes. One is legally trapped between the prospect of immediate punishment from national law, or possibly delayed punishment from an international court attempting to judge from a higher moral law. [[TrappedInVillainy If your life and/or your family's life was threatened]] if you disobeyed orders you knew to be morally reprehensible, what would you do? This was the choice presented to the 'Hiwis' (conscripted from Soviet POW and civilians), Jewich Jewish Police (recruited by the Jewish Councils from the ghetto populations), and 'Sonderkommando' (recruited from Extermination Camp inmates). This is why the surviving Hiwis, Jewish Police, and Sonderkommando were never tried for War Crimes or Crimes Against Humanity, but some of the senior commanders of the German troops who supervised them (volunteers legally and practically entitled to opt out, as many did) were.
5th Mar '17 10:25:23 AM TheUnknownUploader
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* ''Series/SpittingImage'': "We Were Only Obeying Orders" is a song sung by ''UsefulNotes/JohnMajor'' and other Conservative Party members, about the Thatcher era.
4th Mar '17 7:44:18 AM ironballs16
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Another famous experiment, the StanfordPrisonExperiment, appeared to demonstrate that even ordinary people given authority over their peers can become drunk on power, ''[[BecomingTheMask even when they go back to normal lives outside of the prison]]''. More recent experiments have shown that one is more likely to abuse authority if the position involves power without respect and/or prestige (e.g. traffic cops, the DMV, staff managers). This means they won't get in trouble if caught and are unlikely to lose much even if they do. Or they hate the job so much they just don't care.

to:

* Another famous experiment, the StanfordPrisonExperiment, appeared to demonstrate that even ordinary people given authority over their peers can become drunk on power, DrunkOnPower, ''[[BecomingTheMask even when they go back to normal lives outside of the prison]]''. More recent experiments have shown that one is more likely to abuse authority if the position involves power without respect and/or prestige (e.g. traffic cops, the DMV, staff managers). This means they won't get in trouble if caught and are unlikely to lose much even if they do. Or they hate the job so much they just don't care.
2nd Mar '17 11:52:42 AM Nazetrime
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''Webcomic/StandStandStillStaySilent'': In the prologue, Iceland, that found an excuse its borders serveral days before the ApocalypticGagOrder downplaying the seriousness of the Rash was lifted, eventually resorts to a form of QuarantineWithExtremPrejudice in which the rest of the world is considered a contaminated area and the country itself is safe. Circumstances also mean they are getting a lot of refugee boats that they have no other choice but to bomb. The Iceland segment of the prologue focuses on a coast guard ship and on a low-ranking radar reader who decides to quit and become a sheep herder due to having BadDreams.

to:

* ''Webcomic/StandStandStillStaySilent'': ''Webcomic/StandStillStaySilent'': In the prologue, Iceland, that found an excuse to close its borders serveral several days before the ApocalypticGagOrder downplaying the seriousness of the Rash was lifted, eventually resorts to a form of QuarantineWithExtremPrejudice QuarantineWithExtremePrejudice in which the rest of the world is considered a contaminated area and the country itself is safe. Circumstances also mean they are getting a lot of refugee boats that they have no other choice but to bomb. The Iceland segment of the prologue focuses on a coast guard ship and on a low-ranking radar reader who decides to quit and become a sheep herder due to having BadDreams.
16th Feb '17 5:49:03 PM theLibrarian
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In ''Film/XMenFirstClass'', the Nazis that Erik confronts trot out this line as an excuse for their actions. Charles later makes the mistake of echoing it while trying to calm Magneto down. Definitely an OhCrap moment for the audience when he says it, and he seems to [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone immediately regret his choice of words]], since this trope is a major BerserkButton for the mutant Holocaust survivor.

to:

* In ''Film/XMenFirstClass'', the Nazis that Erik confronts trot out this line as an excuse for their actions. Charles later makes the mistake of echoing it while trying to calm Magneto down.down after the combined Soviet and American fleets fire on the X-Men after seeing their power. Definitely an OhCrap moment for the audience when he says it, and he seems to [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone immediately regret his choice of words]], since this trope is a major BerserkButton for the mutant Holocaust survivor.
14th Feb '17 6:38:47 PM dmcreif
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* ''Series/LukeCage2016'': Zip, acting on Diamondback's orders, tries to strangle Shades to death in a freight elevator. Shades fights back, kills both of Zip's backup men, then marches Zip onto a building roof at gunpoint.
-->'''Zip:''' I was just following orders! ''[Shades walks around Zip and points his gun at Zip's head]''
-->'''Shades:''' You're a goddamn puppet! Who gave you the order?! ''[pistol-whips Zip]'' WHO?!
-->'''Zip:''' Diamondback! You stopped playing your position, asked too many questions. Diamondback said you needed to be dealt with!
-->'''Shades:''' [[LikeFatherUnlikeSon Romeo would be ashamed of you. You're such a disappointment.]]
-->'''Zip:''' You're the second person who's told me that today![[labelnote:*]]Turk Barrett being the other[[/labelnote]] I'm my own man, Shades!
-->'''Shades:''' ''[raises gun]'' [[PreMortemOneLiner Tell him yourself.]] ''[shoots Zip in the head]''
8th Feb '17 8:59:00 PM Gregzilla
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In ''Film/XMenFirstClass'', the Nazis that Erik confronts trot out this line as an excuse for their actions. Charles later makes the mistake of echoing it while trying to calm Magneto down. Definitely an OhCrap moment for the audience when he says it.

to:

* In ''Film/XMenFirstClass'', the Nazis that Erik confronts trot out this line as an excuse for their actions. Charles later makes the mistake of echoing it while trying to calm Magneto down. Definitely an OhCrap moment for the audience when he says it.it, and he seems to [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone immediately regret his choice of words]], since this trope is a major BerserkButton for the mutant Holocaust survivor.



** This trope is a major BerserkButtton for the mutant Holocaust survivor.
8th Feb '17 1:24:02 PM gb00393
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
** The Hound uses this as justification for killing Mycah the butcher's boy.
** Janos Slynt also uses it to explain his participation in the purge in "The North Remembers".
4th Feb '17 8:36:39 PM Abodos
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* When an escaped Nazi war criminal is finally cornered in ''Film/TheStranger'', he says "I followed orders", to which the man that's been hunting him spits back "You gave the orders!"

to:

* When an escaped Nazi war criminal is finally cornered in ''Film/TheStranger'', he says "I followed orders", to which the man that's been hunting him spits back "You gave ''gave'' the orders!"
3rd Feb '17 8:58:23 AM Nazetrime
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* ''Webcomic/StandStandStillStaySilent'': In the prologue, Iceland, that found an excuse its borders serveral days before the ApocalypticGagOrder downplaying the seriousness of the Rash was lifted, eventually resorts to a form of QuarantineWithExtremPrejudice in which the rest of the world is considered a contaminated area and the country itself is safe. Circumstances also mean they are getting a lot of refugee boats that they have no other choice but to bomb. The Iceland segment of the prologue focuses on a coast guard ship and on a low-ranking radar reader who decides to quit and become a sheep herder due to having BadDreams.
This list shows the last 10 events of 536. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.JustFollowingOrders