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27th May '17 6:15:13 PM StarSword
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** Interestingly, Teal'c doesn't use this justification himself. He did a lot of awful things while in the service of the Goa'uld and he always takes full responsibility, even going so far as to willingly submit to execution in "Cor'ai". At the end of ''Film/StargateTheArkOfTruth'', he has this conversation with a former soldier for the Ori (Vala's ex-husband Tomin, who in one episode ordered the summary execution of villagers who refused to submit to Origin).

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** Interestingly, Teal'c doesn't use this justification himself. He did a lot of awful things while in the service of the Goa'uld and he always takes full responsibility, even going so far as to willingly submit to execution in "Cor'ai". At the end of ''Film/StargateTheArkOfTruth'', ''Film/TheArkOfTruth'', he has this conversation with a former soldier for the Ori (Vala's ex-husband Tomin, who in one episode ordered the summary execution of villagers who refused to submit to Origin).
27th May '17 6:14:49 PM StarSword
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** Interestingly, Teal'c doesn't use this justification himself. He did a lot of awful things while in the service of the Goa'uld and he always takes full responsibility, even going so far as to willingly submit to execution in "Cor'ai".


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** Interestingly, Teal'c doesn't use this justification himself. He did a lot of awful things while in the service of the Goa'uld and he always takes full responsibility, even going so far as to willingly submit to execution in "Cor'ai". At the end of ''Film/StargateTheArkOfTruth'', he has this conversation with a former soldier for the Ori (Vala's ex-husband Tomin, who in one episode ordered the summary execution of villagers who refused to submit to Origin).
--->'''Tomin:''' I sit here...and I cannot imagine the day when I will forgive myself.\\
'''Teal'c:''' Because it will never come. One day, others may try to convince you they have forgiven you. That is more about them than you. For them, imparting forgiveness is a blessing.\\
'''Tomin:''' How do you go on?\\
'''Teal'c:''' [[TheAtoner It is simple. You will never forgive yourself. Accept it. You hurt others. Many others. That cannot be undone. You will never find personal retribution. But your life does not have to end. That which is right, just, and true can still prevail. If you do not fight for what you believe in, all may be lost for everyone else. But do not fight for yourself, fight for others—others that may be saved through your effort. That is the least you can do.]]
27th May '17 1:42:59 PM nombretomado
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* ''Film/AFewGoodMen'': Lt. Dan Kaffee (Creator/TomCruise) proposes using this as the basis for his court defense of the two Marines charged with murdering Willie Santiago; they were ordered by superior officers to discipline Santiago, and their "Code Red" just got out of hand. Kaffee's partner retorts that that line of defense didn't work at Nuremberg and it didn't work at [[VietnamWar My Lai]] and it's not going to work now. Kaffee fires back that the difference with the Marines is that they were just carrying out a routine order they didn't think would result in any physical harm.

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* ''Film/AFewGoodMen'': Lt. Dan Kaffee (Creator/TomCruise) proposes using this as the basis for his court defense of the two Marines charged with murdering Willie Santiago; they were ordered by superior officers to discipline Santiago, and their "Code Red" just got out of hand. Kaffee's partner retorts that that line of defense didn't work at Nuremberg and it didn't work at [[VietnamWar [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar My Lai]] and it's not going to work now. Kaffee fires back that the difference with the Marines is that they were just carrying out a routine order they didn't think would result in any physical harm.
24th May '17 5:54:10 PM StarSword
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* {{Defied}} in ''Literature/KrisLongknife: Mutineer'': [[spoiler:When the admiral orders Attack Squadron Six to attack the Earth Battle Fleet, Kris realizes that her captain is part of a conspiracy to start TheWarOfEarthlyAggression as the [[TheFederation Society of Humanity]] dissolves, and mutinies rather than follow illegal orders. She and the crew arrest the captain and first officer and blow the whistle to command, then chase down the admiral's ship and capture him.]]

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* {{Defied}} in ''Literature/KrisLongknife: Mutineer'': [[spoiler:When the admiral orders Attack Squadron Six to attack the Earth Battle Fleet, Fleet without receiving orders from Wardhaven Command, Kris realizes that her captain is part of a conspiracy to start TheWarOfEarthlyAggression as the [[TheFederation Society of Humanity]] dissolves, and mutinies rather than follow illegal orders. She and the crew arrest the captain and first officer and blow the whistle to command, Command, then chase down the admiral's ship and capture him.]]



-->'''Zip:''' I was just following orders! ''[Shades walks around Zip and points his gun at Zip's head]''
-->'''Shades:''' You're a goddamn puppet! Who gave you the order?! ''[pistol-whips Zip]'' WHO?!
-->'''Zip:''' Diamondback! You stopped playing your position, asked too many questions. Diamondback said you needed to be dealt with!
-->'''Shades:''' [[LikeFatherUnlikeSon Romeo would be ashamed of you. You're such a disappointment.]]
-->'''Zip:''' You're the second person who's told me that today![[labelnote:*]]Turk Barrett being the other[[/labelnote]] I'm my own man, Shades!
-->'''Shades:''' ''[raises gun]'' [[PreMortemOneLiner Tell him yourself.]] ''[shoots Zip in the head]''

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-->'''Zip:''' I was just following orders! ''[Shades walks around Zip and points his gun at Zip's head]''
-->'''Shades:'''
head]''\\
'''Shades:'''
You're a goddamn puppet! Who gave you the order?! ''[pistol-whips Zip]'' WHO?!
-->'''Zip:'''
WHO?!\\
'''Zip:'''
Diamondback! You stopped playing your position, asked too many questions. Diamondback said you needed to be dealt with!
-->'''Shades:'''
with!\\
'''Shades:'''
[[LikeFatherUnlikeSon Romeo would be ashamed of you. You're such a disappointment.]]
-->'''Zip:'''
]]\\
'''Zip:'''
You're the second person who's told me that today![[labelnote:*]]Turk Barrett being the other[[/labelnote]] I'm my own man, Shades!
-->'''Shades:'''
Shades!\\
'''Shades:'''
''[raises gun]'' [[PreMortemOneLiner Tell him yourself.]] ''[shoots Zip in the head]''



* ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' runs into this during the Cylon occupation of New Caprica when the Cylons start recruiting humans to police the colony. Jammer joins the police in hopes of making life a little better for his fellow humans, only to be ordered to round up relatives of LaResistance for what turns out to be a mass execution. He follows his orders reluctantly but sets Callie free before the Centurions arrive [[spoiler:and are shot to pieces by LaResistance]]. [[spoiler:After the escape, he's ThrownOutTheAirlock by Resistance members acting as a secret KangarooCourt.]]



* ''Trail of Tears'' by Heather Dale is from the point of view of a soldier ordered to aid in said forced relocation. He's obviously uncomfortable with it, but is too afraid to say anything after another soldier is shot for standing up to the commanding officer.

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* ''Trail [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCGDdPYW2kA "Trail of Tears'' Tears"]] by Heather Dale is from the point of view of a soldier ordered to aid in said forced relocation. He's obviously uncomfortable with it, but is too afraid to say anything after another soldier is shot for standing up to the commanding officer.officer.
* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwJbkA1AcBk "Wehrmacht"]] by Music/{{Sabaton}} asks whether the German armed forces during World War II were AxCrazy {{Blood Knight}}s or young men misled and dominated by their superiors, seemingly settling on "a little bit of both".
-->''Were they the victims of the time\\
Or proud parts of larger goals?\\
Propaganda of the Reich, masterful machine...''\\
(and)\\
''Crazy madmen on a leash\\
Or young men who lost their way?\\
Grand illusions of the Reich\\
May seem real at times''
22nd May '17 5:40:26 PM StarSword
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* {{Defied}} in ''Literature/KrisLongknife: Mutineer'': [[spoiler:When the admiral orders Attack Squadron Six to attack the Earth Battle Fleet, Kris realizes that her captain is part of a conspiracy to start TheWarOfEarthlyAggression as the [[TheFederation Society of Humanity]] dissolves, and mutinies rather than follow illegal orders. She and the crew arrest the captain and first officer and blow the whistle to command, then chase down the admiral's ship and capture him.]]
16th Apr '17 5:37:51 PM Willbyr
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* The page pic is taken from the first issue of the UsefulNotes/WorldWarII comic ''ComicBook/{{Blitzkrieg}}'', which was unusual in that it focused on the German forces instead of the Allies.
16th Apr '17 5:28:37 PM Malady
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Not to be mistaken for ThinkNothingOfIt or AllAPartOfTheJob, catchphrases associated with the HumbleHero.

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Not to be mistaken for ThinkNothingOfIt or AllAPartOfTheJob, catchphrases associated with the HumbleHero.
HumbleHero. Also not for when it's said by someone who's BotheringByTheBook.
16th Apr '17 8:11:20 AM lorgskyegon
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** The whole idea of buses forcing black passengers to the back was an example as well, and more sympathetically. Most riders were black and the bus companies didn't want to offend their primary ridership. They only started enforcing the rules once Alabama police began boarding buses and arresting drivers for ignoring it.
3rd Apr '17 4:59:09 AM ChronoLegion
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* Creator/DerrenBrown's ''Pushed to the Edge'' is designed to demonstrate how people succumb to peer pressure and the desire to follow an authority figure's instructions. The opener shows a man abducting a woman's baby just because a voice on the phone introduced himself as a cop and told him she was the one who had abducted the child. The rest of the show is structured to make people get in so deep that, in the end, most end up committing a heinous act due to peer pressure. Out of four subjects, three ended up pushing a man off a ledge to avoid jail time. The viewers are, at first, only shown the one, who refused to do it. Then, after a HopeSpot, we're shown shots of three other people going through with the "murder".
3rd Apr '17 4:56:35 AM ChronoLegion
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* An episode of ''Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit'' has a man (played by Creator/RobinWilliams) demonstrate this trope by calling a fast food joint's manager, introducing himself as an NYPD detective named Milgram (reference to the Milgram Experiment), and having him tie up and strip-search one of his female employees, claiming he's doing his civic duty. After the truth is discovered and "Milgram" is arrested, he manages to get away. It's eventually revealed that the reason he's doing all this is because, when his wife was in labor, he saw that something was wrong and asked the doctor to do something, only for the doctor to brush him off and say that everything was fine. His wife and their unborn child died from complications, resulting in the man blaming both the doctor (naturally) and himself (for obeying someone just because he was in a position of authority). He has become determined to get people to start thinking for themselves.
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