History Main / IrishmanAndAJew

9th May '16 2:48:13 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''FiniansRainbow'' incorporated elements of Irish folklore (more or less) and featured an Irish protagonist named [=McLongergan=]; the show was penned by an all-Jewish writing team.

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* ''FiniansRainbow'' ''Theatre/FiniansRainbow'' incorporated elements of Irish folklore (more or less) and featured an Irish protagonist named [=McLongergan=]; the show was penned by an all-Jewish writing team.
3rd Apr '16 11:07:01 AM eroock
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->''I once heard Dave Belasco Say\\

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->''I ->''"I once heard Dave Belasco Say\\



If it wasn't for the Irish and the Jews!''
-->--'''From the song ''If it Wasn't For the Irish and the Jews'''''

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If it wasn't for the Irish and the Jews!''
-->--'''From
Jews!"''
-->-- From
the song ''If "If it Wasn't For the Irish and the Jews'''''
Jews"
2nd Mar '16 4:57:26 PM nombretomado
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* The two male leads of ''AllInTheFamily'' were Caroll O'Connor and Rob Reiner. Although neither of their ''characters'' were written to match their real-life ethnicities (Archie Bunker was a [[WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant WASP]] and Mike Stivic was Chicago Polish), there was a considerable amount of {{subtext}} going on, which many viewers noticed; O'Connor modeled Bunker's mannerisms and speech patterns on many of the blue-collar Irish-Americans he had known growing up, while Reiner [[NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent made no attempt whatsoever to sound like a Polish-American from Chicago]].

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* The two male leads of ''AllInTheFamily'' ''Series/AllInTheFamily'' were Caroll O'Connor and Rob Reiner. Although neither of their ''characters'' were written to match their real-life ethnicities (Archie Bunker was a [[WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant WASP]] and Mike Stivic was Chicago Polish), there was a considerable amount of {{subtext}} going on, which many viewers noticed; O'Connor modeled Bunker's mannerisms and speech patterns on many of the blue-collar Irish-Americans he had known growing up, while Reiner [[NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent made no attempt whatsoever to sound like a Polish-American from Chicago]].
5th Feb '16 8:14:42 PM karstovich2
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* A rare modern-day example is found in Comedy Central's two fake news shows, ''Series/TheDailyShow'' and ''Series/TheColbertReport''. Creator/JonStewart ([[StageNames born]] Jonathan Liebowitz) takes news stories heavily laden with corruption, stupidity, and disaster, and handles them with [[DeadpanSnarker sarcasm and exasperated]] [[strike:ranting]] [[YiddishAsASecondLanguage kvetching]]. [[Creator/StephenColbert Stephen Colber]]'''[[Creator/StephenColbert T]]''', despite the French-sounding pronunciation of his character's name, is predominantly Irish-American and unapologetically Catholic, and watching his [[PatrioticFervor onscreen persona]] is like watching every single patriotic GeorgeMCohan[[note]] Despite what it sounds like, the name "Cohan" is Irish: the Jewish name is usually "Coh'''e'''n".[[/note]] musical [[UpToEleven all at the same time]]. He also shares Gracie Allen's [[TheDitz obliviousness to reality]].

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* A rare modern-day One (relatively rare) modern example is found in was Comedy Central's two fake news shows, ''Series/TheDailyShow'' (under Creator/JonStewart) and ''Series/TheColbertReport''. Creator/JonStewart ''Series/TheColbertReport'', from 2006 (when Colbert got his show) through 2015 (when Colbert left for ''Series/TheLateShow'' and Stewart more or less retired). Stewart ([[StageNames born]] Jonathan Liebowitz) takes took news stories heavily laden with corruption, stupidity, and disaster, and handles handled them with [[DeadpanSnarker sarcasm and exasperated]] [[strike:ranting]] [[YiddishAsASecondLanguage kvetching]]. [[Creator/StephenColbert Stephen Colber]]'''[[Creator/StephenColbert T]]''', despite the French-sounding pronunciation of his character's name, is predominantly Irish-American and unapologetically Catholic, and watching his [[PatrioticFervor onscreen persona]] is on the ''Report'' was like watching every single patriotic GeorgeMCohan[[note]] Despite what it sounds like, the name "Cohan" is Irish: the Jewish name is usually "Coh'''e'''n".[[/note]] musical [[UpToEleven all at the same time]]. He also shares shared Gracie Allen's [[TheDitz obliviousness to reality]].
5th Feb '16 8:08:11 PM karstovich2
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Sometimes an Italian or Italian-American will be thrown into the mix, possibly because, other than Irish and Jews, the Italians were the most visible immigrant group in America between about 1870 and 1920[[note]] Although German immigration was so large as to result in an ethnic-German population that outnumbered even the Anglo-Saxon-Celtic population by the '20s, they tended to integrate better. Angles and Saxons were from Denmark and Saxony, respectively, at the time of their emigration to England after all. [[/note]]. When this happens, the Italian will often be a kind of double agent: siding with the Irishman on matters of personal morality and community life, and with the Jew when it comes to issues regarding the wider world, especially politics. The Italian might even be mistaken for a Jew due to similar coloring and facial features, although he (or she) will be more likely to intermarry with the Irish because of religious compatibility.

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Sometimes an Italian or Italian-American will be thrown into the mix, possibly because, other than Irish and Jews, the Italians were the most visible immigrant group in America between about 1870 and 1920[[note]] Although German immigration was so large as to result in an ethnic-German population that outnumbered even the Anglo-Saxon-Celtic population by the '20s, they tended to integrate better. Angles and Saxons were from Denmark and Saxony, respectively, at the time of their emigration to England after all. [[/note]]. When this happens, the Italian will often be a kind of double agent: siding with the Irishman on matters of personal morality and community life, and with the Jew when it comes to issues regarding the wider world, especially politics. The Italian might even be mistaken for a Jew due to similar coloring and facial features, although he (or she) will be more likely to intermarry with the Irish because of religious compatibility.
compatibility.[[note]]For this, you need look no further than the demographics of the State of UsefulNotes/NewJersey, which is the only state of the Union where a plurality of people claim Italian ancestry--but where half these Italians either have obviously Irish surnames or are very obviously of mixed Irish-Italian blood.[[/note]]
3rd Feb '16 6:49:02 AM Morgenthaler
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* Jim and Michelle in the ''AmericanPie'' movies. (Jim is a nerdy, repressed Jew, while the stereotypically red-haired Michelle is equally nerdy but outspoken and bawdy.)
* Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara in ''BestInShow'' and ''Film/AMightyWind''.

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* Jim and Michelle in the ''AmericanPie'' ''Film/AmericanPie'' movies. (Jim is a nerdy, repressed Jew, while the stereotypically red-haired Michelle is equally nerdy but outspoken and bawdy.)
* Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara in ''BestInShow'' ''Film/BestInShow'' and ''Film/AMightyWind''.
9th Jan '16 8:27:42 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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* Literature/{{Spenser}} has the main character[=/=]narrator, Spenser, and the love of his life, Susan Silverman. Spenser becomes the one to use humor, though, with Susan focused on analyzing relationships, in turn.[[note]]She can't help it, she's a psychologist. [[/note]]
9th Dec '15 1:19:35 PM StFan
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** One could say that ''The Simpsons'' started out "Jewish" and became more "Irish" over time; it's very noticeable now [[ReverseCerebusSyndrome how bleak and angsty those earlier episodes were]], especially when it was Bart (a slightly darker character than Homer) who was the show's focal point. Matt Groening's pre-''Simpsons'' comic strip, ''LifeInHell'', was bleaker still.

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** One could say that ''The Simpsons'' started out "Jewish" and became more "Irish" over time; it's very noticeable now [[ReverseCerebusSyndrome how bleak and angsty those earlier episodes were]], especially when it was Bart (a slightly darker character than Homer) who was the show's focal point. Matt Groening's pre-''Simpsons'' comic strip, ''LifeInHell'', ''ComicStrip/LifeInHell'', was bleaker still.



27th Nov '15 11:39:11 AM nombretomado
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* Mixed into one character to great effect in one ''SaturdayNightLive'' sketch -- a commercial parody of an album of ''Irish Drinking Songs''.

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* Mixed into one character to great effect in one ''SaturdayNightLive'' ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' sketch -- a commercial parody of an album of ''Irish Drinking Songs''.
19th Nov '15 8:06:12 PM FF32
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No, this isn't [[IThoughtItMeant a place to list stale old jokes]], though it does have a very important connection to them. An Irishman and a Jew is much subtler (and older) variation on SaltAndPepper (by comparison, [[BlackDudeWhiteDude think of the Irishman as the "black dude" and the Jew as the "white dude"]] - [[{{Dissimile}} although the Jew will usually have slightly darker skin]]); it is a fairly common but typically low-key form of OddCouple pairing that largely originated in OlderThanRadio {{Vaudeville}}.

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No, this isn't [[IThoughtItMeant a place to list stale old jokes]], though it does have a very important connection to them. An Irishman and a Jew is much subtler (and older) variation on SaltAndPepper (by comparison, [[BlackDudeWhiteDude [[WhiteDudeBlackDude think of the Irishman as the "black dude" and the Jew as the "white dude"]] - [[{{Dissimile}} although the Jew will usually have slightly darker skin]]); it is a fairly common but typically low-key form of OddCouple pairing that largely originated in OlderThanRadio {{Vaudeville}}.
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