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27th Jun '16 5:37:40 PM Mullon
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* The long-running (fake) feud between [[TheJackBennyProgram Jack Benny]] and FredAllen ([[StageNames born]] Benjamin Kubelsky and John F. Sullivan, respectively) was one of these. Like most such instances, outright ethnic jokes were rare, unless one counts the constant references to Benny's [[AllJewsAreCheapskates skinflint nature]]. Fred Allen's radio show also provided some examples; characters in "Allen's Alley" included Russian-Jewish houswife Pansy Nussbaum and Irish immigrant Ajax Cassidy.


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[[folder:Radio]]
* The long-running (fake) feud between [[TheJackBennyProgram Jack Benny]] and FredAllen ([[StageNames born]] Benjamin Kubelsky and John F. Sullivan, respectively) was one of these. Like most such instances, outright ethnic jokes were rare, unless one counts the constant references to Benny's [[AllJewsAreCheapskates skinflint nature]]. Fred Allen's radio show also provided some examples; characters in "Allen's Alley" included Russian-Jewish houswife Pansy Nussbaum and Irish immigrant Ajax Cassidy.
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27th Jun '16 5:37:14 PM Mullon
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* Creator/TomCavanagh and Michael Ian Black have this dynamic, presumably unintentionally, on ''Podcast/MikeAndTomEatSnacks''. Tom is a Roman-Catholic Canadian of Irish descent, and usually expresses a more optimistic outlook on whatever topic they are discussing, while Mike, who is Jewish but identifies as an Atheist, is often cynical and critical of the topic. Best shown in their Cheez-It episode, which turned into an argument over Tom's faith.
30th May '16 7:24:36 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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** ''{{Seinfeld}}'' itself contains a variant: Jerry Seinfeld (a Jew) is best friend of George Costanza (a Catholic Italian American).

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** ''{{Seinfeld}}'' ''Series/{{Seinfeld}}'' itself contains a variant: Jerry Seinfeld (a Jew) is best friend of George Costanza (a Catholic Italian American).
9th May '16 2:48:13 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''FiniansRainbow'' incorporated elements of Irish folklore (more or less) and featured an Irish protagonist named [=McLongergan=]; the show was penned by an all-Jewish writing team.

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* ''FiniansRainbow'' ''Theatre/FiniansRainbow'' incorporated elements of Irish folklore (more or less) and featured an Irish protagonist named [=McLongergan=]; the show was penned by an all-Jewish writing team.
3rd Apr '16 11:07:01 AM eroock
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->''I once heard Dave Belasco Say\\

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->''I ->''"I once heard Dave Belasco Say\\



If it wasn't for the Irish and the Jews!''
-->--'''From the song ''If it Wasn't For the Irish and the Jews'''''

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If it wasn't for the Irish and the Jews!''
-->--'''From
Jews!"''
-->-- From
the song ''If "If it Wasn't For the Irish and the Jews'''''
Jews"
2nd Mar '16 4:57:26 PM nombretomado
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* The two male leads of ''AllInTheFamily'' were Caroll O'Connor and Rob Reiner. Although neither of their ''characters'' were written to match their real-life ethnicities (Archie Bunker was a [[WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant WASP]] and Mike Stivic was Chicago Polish), there was a considerable amount of {{subtext}} going on, which many viewers noticed; O'Connor modeled Bunker's mannerisms and speech patterns on many of the blue-collar Irish-Americans he had known growing up, while Reiner [[NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent made no attempt whatsoever to sound like a Polish-American from Chicago]].

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* The two male leads of ''AllInTheFamily'' ''Series/AllInTheFamily'' were Caroll O'Connor and Rob Reiner. Although neither of their ''characters'' were written to match their real-life ethnicities (Archie Bunker was a [[WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant WASP]] and Mike Stivic was Chicago Polish), there was a considerable amount of {{subtext}} going on, which many viewers noticed; O'Connor modeled Bunker's mannerisms and speech patterns on many of the blue-collar Irish-Americans he had known growing up, while Reiner [[NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent made no attempt whatsoever to sound like a Polish-American from Chicago]].
5th Feb '16 8:14:42 PM karstovich2
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* A rare modern-day example is found in Comedy Central's two fake news shows, ''Series/TheDailyShow'' and ''Series/TheColbertReport''. Creator/JonStewart ([[StageNames born]] Jonathan Liebowitz) takes news stories heavily laden with corruption, stupidity, and disaster, and handles them with [[DeadpanSnarker sarcasm and exasperated]] [[strike:ranting]] [[YiddishAsASecondLanguage kvetching]]. [[Creator/StephenColbert Stephen Colber]]'''[[Creator/StephenColbert T]]''', despite the French-sounding pronunciation of his character's name, is predominantly Irish-American and unapologetically Catholic, and watching his [[PatrioticFervor onscreen persona]] is like watching every single patriotic GeorgeMCohan[[note]] Despite what it sounds like, the name "Cohan" is Irish: the Jewish name is usually "Coh'''e'''n".[[/note]] musical [[UpToEleven all at the same time]]. He also shares Gracie Allen's [[TheDitz obliviousness to reality]].

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* A rare modern-day One (relatively rare) modern example is found in was Comedy Central's two fake news shows, ''Series/TheDailyShow'' (under Creator/JonStewart) and ''Series/TheColbertReport''. Creator/JonStewart ''Series/TheColbertReport'', from 2006 (when Colbert got his show) through 2015 (when Colbert left for ''Series/TheLateShow'' and Stewart more or less retired). Stewart ([[StageNames born]] Jonathan Liebowitz) takes took news stories heavily laden with corruption, stupidity, and disaster, and handles handled them with [[DeadpanSnarker sarcasm and exasperated]] [[strike:ranting]] [[YiddishAsASecondLanguage kvetching]]. [[Creator/StephenColbert Stephen Colber]]'''[[Creator/StephenColbert T]]''', despite the French-sounding pronunciation of his character's name, is predominantly Irish-American and unapologetically Catholic, and watching his [[PatrioticFervor onscreen persona]] is on the ''Report'' was like watching every single patriotic GeorgeMCohan[[note]] Despite what it sounds like, the name "Cohan" is Irish: the Jewish name is usually "Coh'''e'''n".[[/note]] musical [[UpToEleven all at the same time]]. He also shares shared Gracie Allen's [[TheDitz obliviousness to reality]].
5th Feb '16 8:08:11 PM karstovich2
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Sometimes an Italian or Italian-American will be thrown into the mix, possibly because, other than Irish and Jews, the Italians were the most visible immigrant group in America between about 1870 and 1920[[note]] Although German immigration was so large as to result in an ethnic-German population that outnumbered even the Anglo-Saxon-Celtic population by the '20s, they tended to integrate better. Angles and Saxons were from Denmark and Saxony, respectively, at the time of their emigration to England after all. [[/note]]. When this happens, the Italian will often be a kind of double agent: siding with the Irishman on matters of personal morality and community life, and with the Jew when it comes to issues regarding the wider world, especially politics. The Italian might even be mistaken for a Jew due to similar coloring and facial features, although he (or she) will be more likely to intermarry with the Irish because of religious compatibility.

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Sometimes an Italian or Italian-American will be thrown into the mix, possibly because, other than Irish and Jews, the Italians were the most visible immigrant group in America between about 1870 and 1920[[note]] Although German immigration was so large as to result in an ethnic-German population that outnumbered even the Anglo-Saxon-Celtic population by the '20s, they tended to integrate better. Angles and Saxons were from Denmark and Saxony, respectively, at the time of their emigration to England after all. [[/note]]. When this happens, the Italian will often be a kind of double agent: siding with the Irishman on matters of personal morality and community life, and with the Jew when it comes to issues regarding the wider world, especially politics. The Italian might even be mistaken for a Jew due to similar coloring and facial features, although he (or she) will be more likely to intermarry with the Irish because of religious compatibility.
compatibility.[[note]]For this, you need look no further than the demographics of the State of UsefulNotes/NewJersey, which is the only state of the Union where a plurality of people claim Italian ancestry--but where half these Italians either have obviously Irish surnames or are very obviously of mixed Irish-Italian blood.[[/note]]
3rd Feb '16 6:49:02 AM Morgenthaler
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* Jim and Michelle in the ''AmericanPie'' movies. (Jim is a nerdy, repressed Jew, while the stereotypically red-haired Michelle is equally nerdy but outspoken and bawdy.)
* Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara in ''BestInShow'' and ''Film/AMightyWind''.

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* Jim and Michelle in the ''AmericanPie'' ''Film/AmericanPie'' movies. (Jim is a nerdy, repressed Jew, while the stereotypically red-haired Michelle is equally nerdy but outspoken and bawdy.)
* Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara in ''BestInShow'' ''Film/BestInShow'' and ''Film/AMightyWind''.
9th Jan '16 8:27:42 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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* Literature/{{Spenser}} has the main character[=/=]narrator, Spenser, and the love of his life, Susan Silverman. Spenser becomes the one to use humor, though, with Susan focused on analyzing relationships, in turn.[[note]]She can't help it, she's a psychologist. [[/note]]
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