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17th Sep '17 4:49:03 PM kome360
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** [[http://i.imgur.com/OPsxK2v.png Through the Mind of North Korea]] has North Korea coming to the realisation that he needs to open up and start interacting with other countries. He reacts by [[spoiler:shooting himself until the uncomfortable thought goes away]].

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** [[http://i.imgur.com/OPsxK2v.png Through the Mind of North Korea]] has North Korea coming to the realisation realization that he needs to open up and start interacting with other countries. He reacts by [[spoiler:shooting himself until the uncomfortable thought goes away]].away]].
* ''WebComic/{{Goblins}}'': Saves-A-Fox almost managed to give Duv a HeelRealization about how far from a goblin she has become, but then her less-than-materialist party member Biscuit tried to cure Duv of her obsessions with his OWN version of HeelRealization, which involved violent crippling and sheer nihilism. Next we see the now-wingless Duv, she's plucking the wings from little birds and on the brink of madness.
10th Sep '17 7:04:20 AM jormis29
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** [[spoiler:In ''A Frozen Heart'', a novelization of the movie from his POV, Hans felt slightly hesitant about quickly agreeing to a FourthDateMarriage with Anna, wondering if he's going way too fast and how his family would react to this -- his father would call him an idiot, while Lars would say that it was done too hastily. But then, these doubts are quashed by his goal to seize control of Arendelle.]]

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** [[spoiler:In ''A Frozen Heart'', ''Literature/AFrozenHeart'', a novelization of the movie from his POV, Hans felt slightly hesitant about quickly agreeing to a FourthDateMarriage with Anna, wondering if he's going way too fast and how his family would react to this -- his father would call him an idiot, while Lars would say that it was done too hastily. But then, these doubts are quashed by his goal to seize control of Arendelle.]]
30th Aug '17 1:06:34 PM ironballs16
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** Another Demona example: in the episode "Vows", Demona and Goliath travel back in time, and past-Demona [[FutureMeScaresMe reacts with horror to what she will become]] and helps Goliath defeat future-Demona. Goliath then delivers [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming an incredibly touching speech]] urging Demona to amend her ways and live for the moment... only for future-Demona to wake up, tell Goliath she remembers his pathetic words of advice, spit in his face, and fly off into the night. Given that a well-established rule of time travel as depicted in ''Gargoyles'' is that [[YouCantFightFate it's impossible to change the past in any way]], it was a ForegoneConclusion that Goliath's speech wouldn't work.

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** Another Demona example: in the episode "Vows", Demona and Goliath travel back in time, and past-Demona [[FutureMeScaresMe reacts with horror to what she will become]] and helps Goliath defeat future-Demona. Goliath then delivers [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming an incredibly touching speech]] urging Demona to amend her ways and live for the moment... only for future-Demona to wake up, tell Goliath she remembers his pathetic words of advice, spit in his face, and fly off into the night. Given that a well-established rule of time travel as depicted in ''Gargoyles'' is that [[YouCantFightFate [[StableTimeLoop it's impossible to change the past in any way]], it was a ForegoneConclusion that Goliath's speech wouldn't work.
23rd Aug '17 12:38:12 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** [[spoiler:He gets another when he tells Elsa that Anna is dead because of her and causes the snowstorm to stop, and briefly notices how Elsa is taking it. [[EvilCannotComprehendGood He's genuinely surprised at the grief she has for her beloved sister]], and for a moment, he [[IveComeTooFar starts to]] [[HeelRealization realize he]] [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope might have gone too far]], but he brushes it off, believing there's no point now that he has a big chance to end the winter and be free from the Southern Isles forever.]]

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** [[spoiler:He gets another when he tells Elsa that Anna is dead because of her and causes the snowstorm to stop, and briefly notices how Elsa is taking it. [[EvilCannotComprehendGood He's genuinely surprised at the grief she has for her beloved sister]], and for a moment, he [[IveComeTooFar starts to]] [[HeelRealization to realize he]] he [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope might have gone too far]], but he brushes it off, believing there's no point now that he has a big chance to end the winter and be free from the Southern Isles forever.]]



* [[KnightTemplarParent Sheila]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist Brokflovski]] from ''WesternAnimation/SouthParkBiggerLongerAndUncut'' looked like she finally came to her senses after her son Kyle tries to reason with her. [[HopeSpot She then gunned down Terrence and Phillip.]]

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* [[KnightTemplarParent Sheila]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist Sheila Brokflovski]] from ''WesternAnimation/SouthParkBiggerLongerAndUncut'' looked like she finally came to her senses after her son Kyle tries to reason with her. [[HopeSpot She then gunned down Terrence and Phillip.]]
23rd Aug '17 12:36:12 PM ectostar
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The Ignored Epiphany is a moment where the Villain or gray character has a moment of [[HeelRealization clarity or revelation about themselves and their actions,]] seeing it in perspective for perhaps the first time and realizing exactly how useless and off base their various self-delusions and justifications were. It's often a low moment for these characters, and may provoke sympathy from the audience. The character may acknowledge it various ways, with a sigh, a bitter laugh, muttering "WhatHaveIBecome" or possibly saying to someone or themselves "I've really messed this one up".

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The Ignored Epiphany is a moment where the Villain or morally gray character has a moment of [[HeelRealization clarity or revelation about themselves and their actions,]] actions]], seeing it in perspective for perhaps the first time and realizing exactly how useless and off base their various self-delusions and justifications were. It's often a low moment for these characters, and may provoke sympathy from the audience. The character may acknowledge it various ways, with a sigh, a bitter laugh, muttering "WhatHaveIBecome" or possibly saying to someone or themselves "I've really messed this one up".



** Lord Shen spends most of the film thinking that his parents banished him from his homeland because they hated him. When he tells this to the Soothsayer, she reveals that they actually loved him to such an extent that having to banish him [[DeathByDespair literally killed them.]] Shen seems genuinely moved by this for a few seconds before promptly brushing it off.

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** Lord Shen spends most of the film thinking that his parents banished him from his homeland because they hated him. When he tells this to the Soothsayer, she reveals that they actually loved him to such an extent that having to banish him [[DeathByDespair literally killed them.]] them]]. Shen seems genuinely moved by this for a few seconds before promptly brushing it off.
17th Aug '17 6:32:24 PM Njein
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* ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'': [[spoiler:Prince Hans]] has two big moments in the movie where he [[spoiler:is briefly reluctant about his plans to seize control of Arendelle, but these self-doubts are quickly ignored.]]
** [[spoiler:In ''A Frozen Heart'', a novelization of the movie from his POV, Hans felt slightly hesitant about quickly agreeing to a FourthDateMarriage with Anna, wondering if he's going way too fast and how his family would react to this -- his father would call him an idiot, while Lars would say that it was done too hastily. But then, these doubts are quashed by his goal to seize control of Arendelle.]]
** [[spoiler:He gets another when he tells Elsa that Anna is dead because of her and causes the snowstorm to stop, and briefly notices how Elsa is taking it. [[EvilCannotComprehendGood He's genuinely surprised at the grief she has for her beloved sister]], and for a moment, he [[IveComeTooFar starts to]] [[HeelRealization realize he]] [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope might have gone too far]], but he brushes it off, believing there's no point now that he has a big chance to end the winter and be free from the Southern Isles forever.]]
13th Aug '17 11:03:58 PM Gregzilla
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* In ''Webcomic/ZebraGirl'', Sam points out to [[TheHunter Dr. Broadshoulders]] that villains are supposed to [[JustBetweenYouAndMe tell their plan to their captives]] for [[EvilGloating 'egomaniacal catharsis']] and convinces him to tell his [[StartOfDarkness backstory]]. As Broadshoulders explains that he's damned to Hell and has given up on examining his own motives years ago, Sam [[KirkSummation calls him out on his crap]]. Broadshoulders stops for a moment, considers Sam's argument and is almost swayed. Then he turns and goes off to carry out his plan [[UnspokenPlanGuarantee without telling Sam the plan itself]].

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* In ''Webcomic/ZebraGirl'', Sam points out to [[TheHunter Dr. Broadshoulders]] Broadshoulders that villains are supposed to [[JustBetweenYouAndMe tell their plan to their captives]] for [[EvilGloating 'egomaniacal catharsis']] and convinces him to tell his [[StartOfDarkness backstory]]. As Broadshoulders explains that he's damned to Hell and has given up on examining his own motives years ago, Sam [[KirkSummation calls him out on his crap]]. Broadshoulders stops for a moment, considers Sam's argument and is almost swayed. Then he turns and goes off to carry out his plan [[UnspokenPlanGuarantee without telling Sam the plan itself]].
5th Aug '17 12:18:03 AM Nadim
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* In ''Film/SpiderMan2'', Jamenson was just about to admit that Spider-Man was a hero [[HesBack until he noticed that SpiderMan has stolen his suit back from the Bugle]], [[LastSecondWordSwap at which point he renerges his speech at the last second]] and [[StatusQuoIsGod returns to his origin disdain of him.]]
-->'''Jamenson:''' Yes. Spider-Man was a hero. I just couldn't see it. He was (notices that the Spider-Man suit is missing) A THIEF!!! A CRIMINAL!!! HE STOLE MY SUIT!!! HE IS A MENACE TO TJE ENTIRE COMMUNITY!!! I WANT THAT WALL-CLIMBING ARACHNID PROSECUTED!!!! I WANT SPRUNG OUT BY HIS WEB!!!! I WANT SPIDER-MAN!!!!

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* In ''Film/SpiderMan2'', Jamenson was just about to admit that Spider-Man was a hero [[HesBack until he noticed that SpiderMan Spider-Man has stolen his suit back from the Bugle]], [[LastSecondWordSwap at which point he renerges his speech at the last second]] and [[StatusQuoIsGod returns to his origin disdain of him.]]
-->'''Jamenson:''' Yes. Spider-Man was a hero. I just couldn't see it. He was (notices that the Spider-Man suit is missing) A THIEF!!! A CRIMINAL!!! HE STOLE MY SUIT!!! HE IS A MENACE TO TJE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY!!! I WANT THAT WALL-CLIMBING ARACHNID PROSECUTED!!!! I WANT HIM SPRUNG OUT BY HIS WEB!!!! I WANT SPIDER-MAN!!!!
5th Aug '17 12:15:40 AM Nadim
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* In ''Film/SpiderMan2'', Jamenson was just about to admit that Spider-Man was a hero [[HesBack until he noticed that SpiderMan has stolen his suit back from the Bugle]], [[LastSecondWordSwap at which point he renerges his speech at the last second]] and [[StatusQuoIsGod returns to his origin desdain of him.]]

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* In ''Film/SpiderMan2'', Jamenson was just about to admit that Spider-Man was a hero [[HesBack until he noticed that SpiderMan has stolen his suit back from the Bugle]], [[LastSecondWordSwap at which point he renerges his speech at the last second]] and [[StatusQuoIsGod returns to his origin desdain disdain of him.]]
4th Aug '17 9:07:27 AM Nadim
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* In ''Film/SpiderMan2'', Jamenson was just about to admit that Spider-Man was a hero [[HesBack until he noticed that SpiderMan has stolen his suit back from the Bugle]], [[LastMinuteWordChange at which point he renerges his speech at the last second]] and [[StatusQuoIsGod returns to his origin desdain of him.]]

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* In ''Film/SpiderMan2'', Jamenson was just about to admit that Spider-Man was a hero [[HesBack until he noticed that SpiderMan has stolen his suit back from the Bugle]], [[LastMinuteWordChange [[LastSecondWordSwap at which point he renerges his speech at the last second]] and [[StatusQuoIsGod returns to his origin desdain of him.]]
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