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5th Dec '17 8:27:07 PM TheWanderer
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* "The Curse of Millhaven", by Music/NickCave & The Bad Seeds, a MurderBallad about an EnfantTerrible:

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* "The Curse of Millhaven", by Music/NickCave & The Bad Seeds, is a MurderBallad about an EnfantTerrible:EnfantTerrible. At one point in the song she says she's trying to change but immediately gives up and instead tries wholeheartedly to be awful.



* Actor/comedian Creator/DenisLeary gives us the first page quote from his song ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no6-vsHgHJg Asshole]]'', a satire and skewering of the American middle class. Throughout the song its main character talks about how, despite all the things he has, his true joys come from a near endless series of [[EvilIsPetty petty cruelties]] he inflicts on the people around him and general self-centered douchebag behavior. Around the middle of the song he considers the idea that [[HeelRealization maybe this truly is wrong]], but, as seen in the quote, his response is "Nah!"
* Voltaire's "When You're Evil". After a long gleeful litany of varying acts of nastiness and reveling in his Evil cred ("''The Devil tips his hat to me''") , the narrator appears to waver and mournfully, (albeit selfishly) sings "''It gets so lonely being evil...''" but then snaps right back, and furthermore claims that his moment of weakness was just a lie to mess with your head. Played rather well in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0iEN4ZAwtg this]] ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}'' fanvid.

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* Actor/comedian Creator/DenisLeary gives us the first page quote from his song ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no6-vsHgHJg Asshole]]'', a satire and skewering of the American middle class. Throughout the song its main character talks about how, despite all the things reasons he has, his has to be content with life, he's actually an anger filled {{Jerkass}} whose true joys come from a near nearly endless series of [[EvilIsPetty petty cruelties]] cruelties and abuses]] he inflicts on the people around him and him, along with general self-centered [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]]/[[LackOfEmpathy douchebag behavior. behavior]]. Around the middle of the song he considers the idea that [[HeelRealization maybe he's wrong to act this truly is wrong]], way]], but, as seen in the quote, his response is "Nah!"
after only a second or two he dismisses the thought and refuses to change.
* Voltaire's "When You're Evil". After a long gleeful long, gleeful, litany of varying acts of nastiness and reveling in his Evil cred VillainCred ("''The Devil tips his hat to me''") , the narrator appears to waver and mournfully, (albeit selfishly) sings "''It gets so lonely being evil...''" evil''", and says how sometimes he just wants to see other people smile and have companionship... but then snaps right back, and furthermore claims that his moment of weakness was just a lie to mess with your head. Played rather well in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0iEN4ZAwtg this]] ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}'' fanvid.
5th Dec '17 2:58:23 PM chopshop
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** Later in ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', Thor explicitly calls Loki out on this. As he points out, despite he fact that all his evil plans and tricks continually blow up in his face and have effectively ruined his life, Loki continues to act like an selfish, manipulative asshole who [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder constantly betrays the trust of others]]. Thor makes clear that he's given up on trying to redeem Loki, saying that he'll never change and will just continue to be a pathetic jerk for the rest of his life. [[spoiler:Ultimately subverted, as this ReasonYouSuckSpeech ends up being what finally makes Loki realize that [[NeverMyFault he really has been blaming everyone else for his flaws]]. He proceeds to [[BigDamnHeroes back Thor and his allies up during their battle with Hela]] and by the end of the movie he seems to be on his way to some degree of redemption.]]
14th Nov '17 2:14:19 PM rixion
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* Chester Stoddart from ''Franchise/{{Ys}} III/The Oath in Felghana'' has a moment of this midway through the game. Chester explains his desire for [[spoiler:revenge against the man who killed his parents and had his hometown destroyed, the count he's been serving]]. Dogi simply asks Chester "AndThenWhat" Considering that Chester [[AloofBigBrother abandoned his little sister to get what he wanted]], he has a moment where he considers what Dogi is saying... until he decides that [[IveComeTooFar he's come too far now]] and [[RevengeBeforeReason stabs Dogi in the chest]].

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* Chester Stoddart from ''Franchise/{{Ys}} III/The Oath in Felghana'' ''Videogame/YsTheOathInFelghana'' has a moment of this midway through the game. Chester explains his desire for [[spoiler:revenge against the man who killed his parents and had his hometown destroyed, the count he's been serving]]. Dogi simply asks Chester "AndThenWhat" Considering that Chester [[AloofBigBrother abandoned his little sister to get what he wanted]], he has a moment where he considers what Dogi is saying... until he decides that [[IveComeTooFar he's come too far now]] and [[RevengeBeforeReason stabs Dogi in the chest]].
3rd Nov '17 7:03:08 PM Scabbard
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* In ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica: Beginnings'', Sayaka witnesses the gruesome sight [[spoiler:of Mami's death]] and goes home crying, understanding for the first time how brutal being a magical girl is...but then she remembers how much she wants that wish from Kyubey, and [[SuperEmpowering contracts]] a day later.

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* In ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica: Beginnings'', Sayaka witnesses the gruesome sight [[spoiler:of Mami's death]] and goes home crying, understanding for the first time how brutal being a magical girl is... but then she remembers how much she wants that wish from Kyubey, and [[SuperEmpowering contracts]] a day later.
28th Oct '17 12:30:26 PM OlmoJV
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* During his [[spoiler:massacre of pandas]] in ''FanFic/TheVow'', Shen (see the ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda2'' example in the ''Animated Film'' section below) momentarily feels some pity upon spotting [[spoiler:Po (a baby at the time)]] before he brushes that aside.

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* During his [[spoiler:massacre of pandas]] in ''FanFic/TheVow'', ''Fanfic/TheVow'', Shen (see the ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda2'' example in the ''Animated Film'' section below) momentarily feels some pity upon spotting [[spoiler:Po (a baby at the time)]] before he brushes that aside.
21st Oct '17 1:47:51 PM chopshop
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* Rick Remender's ''Uncanny ComicBook/XForce'' has [[{{ComicBook/Wolverine}} Wolverine's]] tendency towards this examined:
** Fantomex [[spoiler: kills a kid version of Apocalypse]], even after the rest of the team agreed it was unjustifiable? A clear sign that X-Force is going too far, right? No, according to Wolverine it was totally justified in hindsight and X-Force is still a perfectly good idea. Deadpool and Psylocke immediately call him out on the fact that he's not just lying to himself, but also [[{{Hypocrite}} blatantly contradicting his previous opinions]]. And keep in mind that the only reason Fantomex didn't agree with them was because [[spoiler: he used the World to revive Kid Apocalypse and undo his indoctrination; in other words, instead of denying his sins like Logan, he actually made effort to undo or atone for them.]]
** Its eventually revealed that [[spoiler: the team's ruthless "no matter the cost" attitude will bring about a BadFuture where crime is prevented by brutally executing anybody who even ''thinks'' about doing something bad. Despite being given firsthand evidence that [[HeWhoFightsMonsters he's becoming just as bad as the villains]] and the rest of the team being justifiably unnerved, Wolverine ''still'' refuses to believe that he's done anything morally wrong and even tries to justify the horrific world his future self has helped create]]. It takes [[spoiler: Psylocke attempting suicide]] and [[spoiler: being forced to kill his own son]] for Wolverine to finally realize and accept the mistakes he's made.
19th Oct '17 8:39:30 AM ironballs16
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* Creator/{{Mark Twain}}'s "[[https://warprayer.org/ The War Prayer]]" describes the US as being in the grips of PatrioticFervor over the Philippine-American War, set against the backdrop of a pastor preaching the justness of the war [[PrayerOfMalice and for victory for their soldiers]]. Then comes a stranger, pronouncing himself a Messenger from God, to intone the ''un''spoken part of their prayer - that the enemy their sons face [[YouBastard are torn to shreds]], and [[WarIsHell every possible consequence stemming from such a large-scale loss of life]].

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* Creator/{{Mark Twain}}'s "[[https://warprayer.org/ The War Prayer]]" describes the US as being in the grips of PatrioticFervor over the Philippine-American War, set against the backdrop of a pastor preaching the justness of the war [[PrayerOfMalice and for victory for their soldiers]]. soldiers. Then comes a stranger, pronouncing himself a Messenger from God, to intone the ''un''spoken part of their prayer - that the enemy their sons face [[YouBastard [[PrayerOfMalice are torn to shreds]], and [[WarIsHell every possible consequence stemming from such a large-scale loss of life]].
19th Oct '17 8:38:07 AM ironballs16
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* Creator/{{Mark Twain}}'s "[[https://warprayer.org/ The War Prayer]]" describes the US as being in the grips of PatrioticFervor over the Philippine-American War, set against the backdrop of a pastor preaching the justness of the war and for victory for their soldiers. Then comes a stranger, pronouncing himself a Messenger from God, to intone the ''un''spoken part of their prayer - that the enemy their sons face [[YouBastard are torn to shreds]], and [[WarIsHell every possible consequence stemming from such a large-scale loss of life]].

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* Creator/{{Mark Twain}}'s "[[https://warprayer.org/ The War Prayer]]" describes the US as being in the grips of PatrioticFervor over the Philippine-American War, set against the backdrop of a pastor preaching the justness of the war [[PrayerOfMalice and for victory for their soldiers.soldiers]]. Then comes a stranger, pronouncing himself a Messenger from God, to intone the ''un''spoken part of their prayer - that the enemy their sons face [[YouBastard are torn to shreds]], and [[WarIsHell every possible consequence stemming from such a large-scale loss of life]].
19th Oct '17 8:34:12 AM ironballs16
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* Creator/{{Mark Twain}}'s "[[https://warprayer.org/ The War Prayer]]" describes the US as being in the grips of PatrioticFervor over the Philippine-American War, set against the backdrop of a pastor preaching the justness of the war and for victory for their soldiers. Then comes a stranger, pronouncing himself a Messenger from God, to intone the ''un''spoken part of their prayer - that the enemy their sons face [[YouBastard are torn to shreds]], and [[WarIsHell every possible consequence stemming from such a large-scale loss of life]].
-->[[{{Beat}} (After a pause.)]] “Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits.” It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.
** Notably, Twain deliberately published this posthumously, for fear of public backlash.
3rd Oct '17 1:24:55 AM ultimomant
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* Ritsuko in ''Fanfic/NeonMetathesisEvangelion'' rants internally over how even Rei has more people who care about her than she does, with Shinji and Asuka being outright in love with Rei. Ritsuko realizes she's pushing everyone out of her life to be with Gendo who even she admits shows her no affection, but insists it's worth it because how obsessed she is with him.
** Even after Rei starts showing emotions and emotional attachments, Ritsuko continues to think of her as a thing and blames Rei for all her problems. Eventually, Ritsuko decides to make Rei pay for all her own pain despite knowing the girl had nothing to do with it beyond Gendo valuing her (as a connection to Yui) over Ritsuko.

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* ''Fanfic/NeonMetathesisEvangelion'': Ritsuko in ''Fanfic/NeonMetathesisEvangelion'' rants internally over how even Rei has more people who care about her than she does, with Shinji and Asuka being outright in love with Rei. Ritsuko realizes she's pushing everyone out of her life to be with Gendo who even she admits shows her no affection, but insists it's worth it because how obsessed she is with him.
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him. Even after Rei starts showing emotions and emotional attachments, Ritsuko continues to think of her as a thing and blames Rei for all her problems. Eventually, Ritsuko decides to make Rei pay for all her own pain despite knowing the girl had nothing to do with it beyond Gendo valuing her (as a connection to Yui) over Ritsuko.Ritsuko.
* ''Fanfic/FateLongNight'': The Stranger's Champion helps Zouken Matou realize how his obsession with immortality has ruined his life and cut him off from his loved ones. Zouken seems to consider it for a few seconds, then angrily declares his goal is all that matters.
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