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25th Aug '16 12:30:01 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* In ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'', this is how Father Comstock started down the path to become an ultranationalist, racist, religious tyrant. The things he did in the Indian Wars drove him to get a baptism at a Christian revival, but instead of [[GoAndSinNoMore being washed of his sins and repenting]], Comstock interpreted the experience to mean that [[MoralMyopia his crimes weren't sins in the first place, and were therefore fully justified.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'', this is how Father Comstock started down the path to become an ultranationalist, racist, religious religiously fanatical tyrant. The things he did in the Indian Wars drove him to get a baptism at a Christian revival, but instead of [[GoAndSinNoMore being washed of his sins and repenting]], Comstock interpreted the experience to mean that [[MoralMyopia his crimes weren't sins in the first place, and were therefore fully justified.]]
5th Aug '16 8:06:31 PM CheekyBishie
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*In Episode 5 of ''VideoGame/TalesFromtheBorderlands'' after Rhys [[spoiler: crashes Helios into Pandora]] he and [[ArtificialIntelligence Handsome Jack]] have a heart-to-heart conversation. Jack admits that [[AmbitionisEvil ambition blinded him while he was alive]], and he drove away everyone he cared about, including Angel. If pressed about her he admits he was responsible for her [[HeroicSacrifice suicide]], as he left her no other choice when he [[ForYourOwnGood locked her up]]. This heart-to-heart then ends with Jack [[GrandTheftMe hijacking Rhys]] and trying to [[KillUsBoth kill them both]].
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* Cartman in ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' recurrently falls victim to this. He has a common inability to learn Aesops, especially about selflessness and empathy, as he is lampshaded as [[EvilCannotComprehendGood near physically lacking a conscience]] (he's even tried to deliver AnAesop, it was naturally mangled horribly). Even besides that Cartman is usually too egotistical and childish to learn from his mistakes.
-->'''Kyle:''' Dammit, Cartman, didn't you learn ''anything''?
20th Jul '16 4:56:50 AM Morgenthaler
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** In a DangerouslyGenreSavvy moment, Black Mage [[spoiler:subverted this all to hell by ''faking'' an Epiphany after accidentally wounding White Mage. [[http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/05/12/episode-1127-invincible-sword-technique The faux epiphany made Fighter drop his guard and turn his back on Black Mage]], which Black Mage promptly took advantage of]].

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** In a DangerouslyGenreSavvy cunning moment, Black Mage [[spoiler:subverted this all to hell by ''faking'' an Epiphany after accidentally wounding White Mage. [[http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/05/12/episode-1127-invincible-sword-technique The faux epiphany made Fighter drop his guard and turn his back on Black Mage]], which Black Mage promptly took advantage of]].
9th Jul '16 8:30:13 PM merotoker
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* ''Manga/FutureDiary'' has one, with Yuno [[spoiler: about to kill her third self]], and realizing how twisted she has become, before deciding to [[spoiler: attempt it anyway]]. Then AGAIN, when [[spoiler: she is about to kill her family, realizes how much she loves Yuki, and how amazing he is for changing the future to allow her family to come together and be happy. She then attempts to kill all three of them anyway.]]

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* ''Manga/FutureDiary'' has one, with Yuno [[spoiler: about to kill her third self]], and realizing how twisted she has become, before deciding to [[spoiler: attempt it anyway]]. Then AGAIN, when [[spoiler: she is about to kill her family, realizes how much she loves Yuki, and how amazing he is for changing the future to allow her family to come together and be happy. She then attempts to kill all three of them anyway.]]anyway]].



* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' uses the variation of having already crossed the MoralEventHorizon, to heartbreaking effect. [[spoiler: After confessing to Eren, Reiner breaks down and admits that he isn't even sure whether the things he's doing are right or wrong anymore. But since he's already [[IveComeTooFar come too far]], there's no choice left to him but to charge ahead and throw proverbial gasoline on the fire. He grimly accepts that he's a murderer doomed to a brutal, short life. Similarly, Bertolt's [[TheStoic stoic]] exterior crumbles when he admits that he's done horrible things and states it isn't even remotely possible to apologize. Like his partner, he accepts that it's too late to consider stopping. While more subdued, Annie seems to also realize just how far she's gone -- apologizing in horror to the corpse of a soldier, but later brutally slaughtering soldiers while hunting for Eren. When she finds herself cornered, she encases herself in a CrystalPrison to escape]].
* A short scene in the ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'' manga has [[ArchEnemy Ridley]] watch over the destruction of Samus' home of K-2L that he and his men caused and then meets a 4-year-old Samus oblivious to what he had done. In a case of DramaticIrony, she tries to befriend Ridley giving him a clear feeling of shame. But that was tossed aside when Samus' mother came running towards them to save her which made Ridley go straight back to normal and kill her right in front of Samus. When they crossed paths years later, [[KickTheDog Ridley gloated over how he killed her parents]].

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* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' uses the variation of having already crossed the MoralEventHorizon, to heartbreaking effect. [[spoiler: After confessing to Eren, Reiner breaks down and admits that he isn't even sure whether the things he's doing are right or wrong anymore. But since he's already [[IveComeTooFar come too far]], there's no choice left to him but to charge ahead and throw proverbial gasoline on the fire. He grimly accepts that he's a murderer doomed to a brutal, short life. Similarly, Bertolt's [[TheStoic stoic]] exterior crumbles when he admits that he's done horrible things and states it isn't even remotely possible to apologize. Like his partner, he accepts that it's too late to consider stopping. While more subdued, Annie seems to also realize just how far she's gone -- apologizing in horror to the corpse of a soldier, but later brutally slaughtering soldiers while hunting for Eren. When she finds herself cornered, she encases herself in a CrystalPrison to escape]].
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* A short scene in the ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'' manga has [[ArchEnemy Ridley]] watch over the destruction of Samus' home of K-2L that he and his men caused and then meets a 4-year-old Samus oblivious to what he had done. In a case of DramaticIrony, she tries to befriend Ridley giving him a clear feeling of shame. But that was tossed aside when Samus' mother came running towards them to save her which made Ridley go straight back to normal and kill her right in front of Samus. When they crossed paths years later, [[KickTheDog Ridley gloated over how he killed her parents]].parents.]]



* In ''[[http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D+90283 "Cry Duck!"]]'', Scrooge [[CryingWolf staged "tests"]] to see how his employees (among them DonaldDuck) reacted. {{Hilarity Ensue|s}}d when a real thug attacked him and Donald dismissed his plight as another test, but Scrooge failed to learn anything, [[NeverMyFault refused to admit he was ever at fault]], and ends up chasing Donald out of town trying to clobber him.

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* In ''[[http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D+90283 "Cry Duck!"]]'', Scrooge [[CryingWolf staged "tests"]] to see how his employees (among them DonaldDuck) WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck) reacted. {{Hilarity Ensue|s}}d when a real thug attacked him and Donald dismissed his plight as another test, but Scrooge failed to learn anything, [[NeverMyFault refused to admit he was ever at fault]], and ends up chasing Donald out of town trying to clobber him.



* In ''Comicbook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise'', [[spoiler:Prowl]] falls under Decepticon mind control. This causes a chain of events that culminate in riots, and death and critical injuries within the main cast. Afterwards, the character realises that the reason nobody [[spoiler:except Arcee]] noticed what was wrong was because he already had a reputation for being an insufferable jerk even before he was mind controlled. He then promptly goes back to his usual jerkass shenanigans, including [[spoiler:provoking Chromedome about his dead husband, spying on Optimus, pointing a gun at Jazz's head for a completely illogical reason, revealing himself and putting humans in danger just to chase ''one'' down for a simple talk, and generally doing things behind the Autobots' backs.]] [[GoodIsNotNice Go figure.]]
** May be justified -- as of issue #37, [[spoiler:it looks as if the Constructicons' attitudes and personalities are indoctrinating Prowl through the gestalt bond, thereby losing his free will and independence... again.]] [[BreakTheHaughty Poor guy can't catch a break.]]

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* In ''Comicbook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise'', [[spoiler:Prowl]] falls under Decepticon mind control. This causes a chain of events that culminate in riots, and death and critical injuries within the main cast. Afterwards, the character realises that the reason nobody [[spoiler:except Arcee]] noticed what was wrong was because he already had a reputation for being an insufferable jerk even before he was mind controlled. He then promptly goes back to his usual jerkass shenanigans, including [[spoiler:provoking Chromedome about his dead husband, spying on Optimus, pointing a gun at Jazz's head for a completely illogical reason, revealing himself and putting humans in danger just to chase ''one'' down for a simple talk, and generally doing things behind the Autobots' backs.]] backs]]. [[GoodIsNotNice Go figure.]]
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** May be justified -- as of issue #37, [[spoiler:it looks as if the Constructicons' attitudes and personalities are indoctrinating Prowl through the gestalt bond, thereby losing his free will and independence... again.]] again]]. [[BreakTheHaughty Poor guy can't catch a break.]]



** In chapter 7 [[spoiler:Shinji manages getting Hikari out of [[HumongousMecha Unit 03]] where she was stuck into.]] Gendo could have realized maybe it meant Yui could come out but she did not choose not to -therefore he should stop his little "I'll get the whole mankind killed in order to save my wife" scheme-, but he chose focusing on the fact that it is possible for a soul come out of an Eva.

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** In chapter 7 [[spoiler:Shinji manages getting Hikari out of [[HumongousMecha Unit 03]] where she was stuck into.]] into]]. Gendo could have realized maybe it meant Yui could come out but she did not choose not to -therefore he should stop his little "I'll get the whole mankind killed in order to save my wife" scheme-, but he chose focusing on the fact that it is possible for a soul come out of an Eva.



* ''WesternAnimation/SharkTale'' gives a rather humorous example From Don Lino due to [[ItMakesSenseInContext upon seeing his son Lenny in a dolphin disguise]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/SharkTale'' gives a rather humorous example From from Don Lino due to [[ItMakesSenseInContext upon seeing his son Lenny in a dolphin disguise]]disguise]].



** He gets another after [[spoiler: Po destroys his cannon fleet, where he accepts Po is right about not letting the past define who you choose to be now. He chooses to continue attacking Po, leading to his death.]]

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** He gets another after [[spoiler: Po destroys his cannon fleet, where he accepts Po is right about not letting the past define who you choose to be now. He chooses to continue attacking Po, leading to his death.]]death]].



* At the climax of ''WesternAnimation/PenguinsOfMadagascar'', after BigBad Dave has [[spoiler:turned all of the penguins into disgusting monsters,]] he states that he feels empty as if there is a hole in him now. He comes to the conclusion that the best way to fix that is to [[spoiler:plan MORE revenge and starts preparing to uglify every ''other'' cute animal species.]]
* [[KnightTemplarParent Sheila]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist Brokflovski]] from ''WesternAnimation/SouthParkBiggerLongerAndUncut'' looked like she finally came to her senses after her son Kyle tries to reason with her. [[HopeSpot she then gunned down Terrence and Phillip.]]

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* At the climax of ''WesternAnimation/PenguinsOfMadagascar'', after BigBad Dave has [[spoiler:turned all of the penguins into disgusting monsters,]] he states that he feels empty as if there is a hole in him now. He comes to the conclusion that the best way to fix that is to [[spoiler:plan MORE revenge and starts preparing to uglify every ''other'' cute animal species.]]
species]].
* [[KnightTemplarParent Sheila]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist Brokflovski]] from ''WesternAnimation/SouthParkBiggerLongerAndUncut'' looked like she finally came to her senses after her son Kyle tries to reason with her. [[HopeSpot she She then gunned down Terrence and Phillip.]]



* In ''Film/YoungAdult'', Mavis Gary has to deal with the fact her high school boyfriend's actually happy with his wife and newborn daughter, and she herself has been behaving in an increasingly immature fashion; [[spoiler: but just as Mavis says "I need to change", she learns a *very* minor character still considers her a winner, and her narcissism is once again fed.]]

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* In ''Film/YoungAdult'', Mavis Gary has to deal with the fact her high school boyfriend's actually happy with his wife and newborn daughter, and she herself has been behaving in an increasingly immature fashion; [[spoiler: but just as Mavis says "I need to change", she learns a *very* minor character still considers her a winner, and her narcissism is once again fed.]]fed]].



* Years before becoming the biggest KnightTemplar out of many in ''Literature/TheWarlordChronicles'', Nimue was just a druid's apprentice who, for a single day, considered throwing magic and the gods aside, marrying the main character (who had been in love with her since they were just kids) raising a family and owning a farm. Considering that many years later Nimue's actions resulted in [[spoiler:[[MerlinAndNimue the death of Merlin]], [[FaceHeelTurn the betrayal]] of [[KingArthur Arthur]], the maiming of main character Derfel, the deaths of many of Arthur's most loyal warriors and thus, indirectly, Arthur's death at the hands of Mordred and the weakening of Britain's ability to resist the Saxons]] not to mention the misery these actions caused her, it might have been better if she'd done just that.

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* Years before becoming the biggest KnightTemplar out of many in ''Literature/TheWarlordChronicles'', Nimue was just a druid's apprentice who, for a single day, considered throwing magic and the gods aside, marrying the main character (who had been in love with her since they were just kids) raising a family and owning a farm. Considering that many years later Nimue's actions resulted in [[spoiler:[[MerlinAndNimue the death of Merlin]], [[FaceHeelTurn the betrayal]] of [[KingArthur [[Myth/KingArthur Arthur]], the maiming of main character Derfel, the deaths of many of Arthur's most loyal warriors and thus, indirectly, Arthur's death at the hands of Mordred and the weakening of Britain's ability to resist the Saxons]] not to mention the misery these actions caused her, it might have been better if she'd done just that.



* In the Literature/SpellSinger novel "Path of the Perumbulator" a [[spoiler: Wolverine Wizard was driven insane because he was a coward, which is something against their natures. In his insanity he captured a Reality-Warping force to drive the rest of the world insane. In the end, the heroes free the force as well as cure his insanity through magic. He thanks them and realizes what he did was foolish, but then realizes that despite being insane and a coward, he had massive power over the world (Power is something all Wolverines pride above all else) which is now gone. So he decides to kill the heroes anyway]].

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* In the Literature/SpellSinger ''Literature/{{Spellsinger}}'' novel "Path of the Perumbulator" a [[spoiler: Wolverine Wizard was driven insane because he was a coward, which is something against their natures. In his insanity he captured a Reality-Warping force to drive the rest of the world insane. In the end, the heroes free the force as well as cure his insanity through magic. He thanks them and realizes what he did was foolish, but then realizes that despite being insane and a coward, he had massive power over the world (Power is something all Wolverines pride above all else) which is now gone. So he decides to kill the heroes anyway]].



** In his final moments in the season 3 finale "[[Recap/AngelS03E23Tomorrow Tomorrow]]," Holtz openly acknowledges that he's most likely going to go to Hell for everything he's done... but makes it clear that as long as he finally gets his revenge against Angel/Angelus, he doesn't care.

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** In his final moments in the season 3 finale "[[Recap/AngelS03E23Tomorrow "[[Recap/AngelS03E22Tomorrow Tomorrow]]," Holtz openly acknowledges that he's most likely going to go to Hell for everything he's done... but makes it clear that as long as he finally gets his revenge against Angel/Angelus, he doesn't care.



* ''Series/TwentyFour'' has a tragic one late in the series. Alison Taylor, who up to this point has been the BigGood on the show, has ultimately allowed the masterminds behind the attacks on New York earlier in the day to go free in exchange for them signing a peace treaty. One episode later, her adviser Ethan gets her to realize she's just sold out her morals. But seconds before she's able to act on this [[spoiler: [[PresidentEvil Former President]] [[BigBad Logan]]]] is able to convince her that it's a necessary evil for the greater good, and she ultimately allows the coverup to continue. What really makes this a punch to the gut is had she not ignored her previous judgement [[spoiler: not only would she likely have been able to salvage her political career like Ethan suggested, but Jack could possibly have been called off his RoaringRampageOfRevenge before he [[MoralEventHorizon crossed the line]] and became an international criminal, a rampage where her agreeing to the coverup had been the deciding factor.]]
* ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' has an inverted example by Saul Tigh at the end of season three: [[spoiler: When he finds out he's a Cylon, he stops to think for a moment, then decides that he will stubbornly continue being Saul Tigh, ''human'' XO of the Galactica.]]

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* ''Series/TwentyFour'' has a tragic one late in the series. Alison Taylor, who up to this point has been the BigGood on the show, has ultimately allowed the masterminds behind the attacks on New York earlier in the day to go free in exchange for them signing a peace treaty. One episode later, her adviser Ethan gets her to realize she's just sold out her morals. But seconds before she's able to act on this [[spoiler: [[PresidentEvil Former President]] [[BigBad Logan]]]] is able to convince her that it's a necessary evil for the greater good, and she ultimately allows the coverup to continue. What really makes this a punch to the gut is had she not ignored her previous judgement [[spoiler: not only would she likely have been able to salvage her political career like Ethan suggested, but Jack could possibly have been called off his RoaringRampageOfRevenge before he [[MoralEventHorizon crossed the line]] and became an international criminal, a rampage where her agreeing to the coverup had been the deciding factor.]]
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* ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' has an inverted example by Saul Tigh at the end of season three: [[spoiler: When he finds out he's a Cylon, he stops to think for a moment, then decides that he will stubbornly continue being Saul Tigh, ''human'' XO of the Galactica.]]]].



* In ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', this is the [[PlanetOfHats hat]] of the Dark Eldar -- they deliberately continue the nightmarishly hedonistic ways that brought their civilization to ruin, [[spoiler:primarily because they'll be utterly destroyed if they don't.]] On rare occasions, the epiphany sticks, and a Dark Eldar abandons their old life to join a Craftworld.

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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', this is the [[PlanetOfHats hat]] of the Dark Eldar -- they deliberately continue the nightmarishly hedonistic ways that brought their civilization to ruin, [[spoiler:primarily because they'll be utterly destroyed if they don't.]] don't]]. On rare occasions, the epiphany sticks, and a Dark Eldar abandons their old life to join a Craftworld.



* Chester Stoddart from ''Franchise/{{Ys}} III/The Oath in Felghana'' has a moment of this midway through the game. Chester explains his desire for [[spoiler:revenge against the man who killed his parents and had his hometown destroyed, the count he's been serving.]] Dogi simply asks Chester "AndThenWhat" Considering that Chester [[AloofBigBrother abandoned his little sister to get what he wanted]], he has a moment where he considers what Dogi is saying... until he decides that [[IveComeTooFar he's come too far now]] and [[RevengeBeforeReason stabs Dogi in the chest]].
* [[VillainProtagonist Kratos]] has one in the first ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' game, when he sees a pile of soldiers killed by the followers of Ares, and has a {{flashback}} to [[DealWithTheDevil making his bargain with Ares]]. At the end he whispers "What have I become?" but then promptly forgets about it. Of course, the gods keep screwing him over, and at one point in the second game he says that he's what the gods have made him.
** He says this again, word for word at the end of ''Ghost of Sparta'', after killing [[spoiler: Thanatos]] and [[spoiler: burying the bodies of his mother and brother]], the gravekeeper simply looks to him and responds, "You have become Death."

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* Chester Stoddart from ''Franchise/{{Ys}} III/The Oath in Felghana'' has a moment of this midway through the game. Chester explains his desire for [[spoiler:revenge against the man who killed his parents and had his hometown destroyed, the count he's been serving.]] serving]]. Dogi simply asks Chester "AndThenWhat" Considering that Chester [[AloofBigBrother abandoned his little sister to get what he wanted]], he has a moment where he considers what Dogi is saying... until he decides that [[IveComeTooFar he's come too far now]] and [[RevengeBeforeReason stabs Dogi in the chest]].
* [[VillainProtagonist Kratos]] has one in the first ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' game, when he sees a pile of soldiers killed by the followers of Ares, and has a {{flashback}} to [[DealWithTheDevil making his bargain with Ares]]. At the end he whispers "What have I become?" but then promptly forgets about it. Of course, the gods keep screwing him over, and at one point in [[VideoGame/GodOfWarII the second game game]] he says that he's what the gods have made him.
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him. He says this again, word for word at the end of ''Ghost ''[[VideoGame/GodOfWarGhostOfSparta Ghost of Sparta'', Sparta]]'', after killing [[spoiler: Thanatos]] and [[spoiler: burying the bodies of his mother and brother]], the gravekeeper simply looks to him and responds, "You have become Death."



* Near the end of ''VideoGame/{{Portal 2}}'', [[spoiler:GLaDOS]] is [[HeelRealization terrified]] that the voice of conscience [[spoiler: she]] hears is [[spoiler:her]] own voice for the first time. After the final battle, [[spoiler:she locates the Caroline subroutine responsible for it and unceremoniously deletes it.]]

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* Near the end of ''VideoGame/{{Portal 2}}'', [[spoiler:GLaDOS]] is [[HeelRealization terrified]] that the voice of conscience [[spoiler: she]] hears is [[spoiler:her]] own voice for the first time. After the final battle, [[spoiler:she locates the Caroline subroutine responsible for it and unceremoniously deletes it.]]it]].



** Although oddly enough, it's unclear if [[spoiler: Caroline was really deleted or if [=GLaDOS=] was just lying about it.]] Fan debate rages on, not helped by the fact that [[FlipFlopOfGod Word Of God can't seem to come to an agreement.]]

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** Although oddly enough, it's unclear if [[spoiler: Caroline was really deleted or if [=GLaDOS=] was just lying about it.]] it]]. Fan debate rages on, not helped by the fact that [[FlipFlopOfGod Word Of God can't seem to come to an agreement.]]



* In the [[AnotherSideAnotherStory Meakashi-hen arc]] of ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry [[spoiler:Shion brutally kills Satoko]] and remembers that [[spoiler:the last thing her disappeared boyfriend Satoshi had asked of her was to protect his little sister.]] At first, she's horrified... but then she figures 'Eh, too far gone anyway, might as well continue to be a psycho. [[spoiler:Of course, the next arc shows that perhaps it really wouldn't have been too late.]]
* In three of the four "true" endings of ''VideoGame/{{Nicole}}'', the kidnapper is momentarily shaken by the way [[spoiler:the other potential love interests]] refute his reasoning for kidnapping the people he did, but he quickly shrugs it off and continues being a SmugSnake. [[spoiler:In his own ending, he subverts this and has a VillainousBSOD instead]].

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* In the [[AnotherSideAnotherStory Meakashi-hen arc]] of ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'' [[spoiler:Shion brutally kills Satoko]] and remembers that [[spoiler:the last thing her disappeared boyfriend Satoshi had asked of her was to protect his little sister.]] sister]]. At first, she's horrified... but then she figures 'Eh, too far gone anyway, might as well continue to be a psycho. [[spoiler:Of course, the next arc shows that perhaps it really wouldn't have been too late.]]
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* In three of the four "true" endings of ''VideoGame/{{Nicole}}'', the kidnapper is momentarily shaken by the way [[spoiler:the other potential love interests]] refute his reasoning for kidnapping the people he did, but he quickly shrugs it off and continues being a SmugSnake. [[spoiler:In his own ending, he subverts this and has a VillainousBSOD instead]].instead.]]



* [[TheDragon Redcloak]] of ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' has a moment like this in ''StartOfDarkness'' when he has the opportunity to [[spoiler:help his brother kill [[BigBad Xykon]]]]. What he does instead becomes the subject of an awesome BreakingSpeech from Xykon that effectively defines Redcloak's character for the entire story to date.

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* [[TheDragon Redcloak]] of ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' has a moment like this in ''StartOfDarkness'' ''Recap/StartOfDarkness'' when he has the opportunity to [[spoiler:help his brother kill [[BigBad Xykon]]]]. What he does instead becomes the subject of an awesome BreakingSpeech [[BreakThemByTalking breaking speech]] from Xykon that effectively defines Redcloak's character for the entire story to date.



** Later on, a [[spoiler:half-dead]] Belkar has a genuine epiphany, as he realizes that being a blatant murderer and psychopath is eventually going to get him killed by one of the genuinely-good guys. This does not convince him to turn away from evil, however -- he just realizes [[spoiler:that he has to learn how to ''fake'' being on the same side as the rest of the team. And it works.]]

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** Later on, a [[spoiler:half-dead]] Belkar has a genuine epiphany, as he realizes that being a blatant murderer and psychopath is eventually going to get him killed by one of the genuinely-good guys. This does not convince him to turn away from evil, however -- he just realizes [[spoiler:that he has to learn how to ''fake'' being on the same side as the rest of the team. And it works.]]works]].



* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republika_Srpska Republika Srpska]] has one in [[http://i.imgur.com/7avDUUo.png this]] ''Webcomic/{{Polandball}}'' comic. Instead of killing Bosniaks, he decides to [[spoiler:keep killing Bosniaks, but with musical accompaniment.]]
** [[http://i.imgur.com/OPsxK2v.png Through the Mind of North Korea]] has North Korea coming to the realisation that he needs to open up and start interacting with other countries. He reacts by [[spoiler:shooting himself until the uncomfortable thought goes away.]]

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republika_Srpska Republika Srpska]] has one in [[http://i.imgur.com/7avDUUo.png this]] ''Webcomic/{{Polandball}}'' comic. Instead of killing Bosniaks, he decides to [[spoiler:keep killing Bosniaks, but with musical accompaniment.]]
accompaniment]].
** [[http://i.imgur.com/OPsxK2v.png Through the Mind of North Korea]] has North Korea coming to the realisation that he needs to open up and start interacting with other countries. He reacts by [[spoiler:shooting himself until the uncomfortable thought goes away.]]away]].



* Even though WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic has a barrel-ton of {{Guilty Pleasure}}s himself, when it comes to a movie he sees no good in (like the Creator/JimCarrey remake of ''Film/HowTheGrinchStoleChristmas''), he never fully comprehends how others can like it. In the specific case of the Grinch movie, at the end of his review he contemplates taking a more tolerant, open handed view and saying that if people take pleasure in it or see something in it that he doesn't, then maybe that's what counts... then essentially says "Nah, I'm right, they're wrong!"
* ''[[LetsPlay/TacoMan Taco-Man Plays a Video Game]]'' has an episode in which Taco-Man becomes so drunk, he awakens in a world based on several UsefulNotes/{{Atari 2600}} games. After he escapes, he swears never to drink again. A cut to "Later That Night" shows [[spoiler:Taco-Man sitting at home and reading a newspaper, appearing to subvert this trope. However, a cut to "Later Later That Night" shows him getting drunk at the same bar he visited at the beginning of the video, zig-zagging it.]]
* There are quite a number of ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' fan videos on youtube that show PlayerCharacter Frisk facing off against Sans, the final boss of the [[KillEmAll No Mercy]] path. In many of these videos Frisk's famous [[TheDeterminator determination]] is finally wavering and Frisk is [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone on the edge of a breakdown due to the actions Frisk has taken]] to get to this point. Frisk is even all but begging Sans to hurt and punish them further for their crimes and is about to hit the ResetButton to undo all the damage to the timeline... and then due to either one last burst of crazed determination or [[DemonicPossession the influence of Chara/The Fallen Child]], Frisk continues attacking Sans and succeeds in killing him, thus likely making the damage to the timeline permanent. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrfDI3LZTYA Here's one example]].

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* Even though WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic has a barrel-ton of {{Guilty Pleasure}}s GuiltyPleasures himself, when it comes to a movie he sees no good in (like the Creator/JimCarrey remake of ''Film/HowTheGrinchStoleChristmas''), he never fully comprehends how others can like it. In the specific case of the Grinch movie, at the end of his review he contemplates taking a more tolerant, open handed view and saying that if people take pleasure in it or see something in it that he doesn't, then maybe that's what counts... then essentially says "Nah, I'm right, they're wrong!"
* ''[[LetsPlay/TacoMan Taco-Man Plays a Video Game]]'' has an episode in which Taco-Man becomes so drunk, he awakens in a world based on several UsefulNotes/{{Atari 2600}} games. After he escapes, he swears never to drink again. A cut to "Later That Night" shows [[spoiler:Taco-Man sitting at home and reading a newspaper, appearing to subvert this trope. However, a cut to "Later Later That Night" shows him getting drunk at the same bar he visited at the beginning of the video, zig-zagging it.]]
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* There are quite a number of ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' fan videos on youtube that show PlayerCharacter Frisk facing off against Sans, the final boss of the [[KillEmAll No Mercy]] path. In many of these videos Frisk's famous [[TheDeterminator determination]] {{determinat|or}}ion is finally wavering and Frisk is [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone on the edge of a breakdown due to the actions Frisk has taken]] to get to this point. Frisk is even all but begging Sans to hurt and punish them further for their crimes and is about to hit the ResetButton to undo all the damage to the timeline... and then due to either one last burst of crazed determination or [[DemonicPossession the influence of Chara/The Fallen Child]], Frisk continues attacking Sans and succeeds in killing him, thus likely making the damage to the timeline permanent. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrfDI3LZTYA Here's one example]].



** By the season two finale, Zuko improves his life by listening to Iroh, adopts a positive outlook and more or less giving up his chase for the Avatar. Then Azula arrives and gives Zuko the chance to capture or kill the Avatar together, which would finally restore Zuko's reputation and allow him to return from exile. Zuko ''almost'' listens to Iroh's plea not to listen to Azula and join Aang's quest instead, but Azula's BreakingSpeech convinces Zuko to join her attack on his uncle and the Gang.

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** By the season two finale, Zuko improves his life by listening to Iroh, adopts a positive outlook and more or less giving up his chase for the Avatar. Then Azula arrives and gives Zuko the chance to capture or kill the Avatar together, which would finally restore Zuko's reputation and allow him to return from exile. Zuko ''almost'' listens to Iroh's plea not to listen to Azula and join Aang's quest instead, but Azula's BreakingSpeech [[BreakThemByTalking breaking speech]] convinces Zuko to join her attack on his uncle and the Gang.



** Used rather infuriatingly in [[Recap/TheAdventuresOfBatmanAndRobinE7Harlequinade "Harlequinade"]]. A hilarious episode, but the amount of abuse Harley puts up with comes to a ridiculous point when she [[spoiler:realizes the Joker is planning to nuke Gotham, ''without'' rescuing their friends at Arkham or their pet hyenas]], and goes ballistic. She comes to the realization that Mister J "might not be the guy for me" (believe me, that's a huge epiphany for Harley to have) and [[spoiler:fires her grappling hook at him, knocking him senseless. This causes a plane crash that had [[MadeOfIron absolutely no excuse for not being fatal]]. [[JokerImmunity When he emerges unscathed]], she holds him at gunpoint; [[KickTheDog he proceeds to verbally beat her down until she cries]], snaps, and ''[[TheDogBitesBack pulls the trigger]]''. That's right, Harley Quinn tries to whack the Joker. Of course, it turns out she picked up a gag gun by mistake, and nothing happens.]] And what happens within ''seconds'' of Harley's huge emotional breakdown? [[spoiler:[[EasilyForgiven Joker comes out with a fluffy romantic line and they're back to being lovey-dovey.]]]] Even Batman sulks after seeing that!
** Happens again in the appropriately titled [[Recap/TheNewBatmanAdventuresE21MadLove "Mad Love"]]. The Joker crosses Harley's MoralEventHorizon [[spoiler: when he throws her out a window for upstaging him when she placed Batman in a DeathTrap as a gift to the Joker]]. As the episode ends Harley is back in Arkham, badly injured but looking saner than ever before in the series. Her expression is serious, her crazy grin gone, and her inner monologue shows that she now knows that the Joker is "a murderous, manipulative, irredeemable -" [[spoiler:And then she sees a flower and "Get Well" card the Joker sent to her. ''"-Angel!"'' And the insane grin returns.]] [[MadLove This is entirely in character.]] Knowing the Joker, he sent the card solely to get her back on his hook.
** In The Trial, the JokerJury of villains argue that [[CreateYourOwnVillain Batman is the reason they're all supervillains.]] Eventually, Batman's counsel convinces them they would have all been criminals anyway, just maybe without the gimmicks. However, since it turns out they all were [[CardCarryingVillain evil on their own]], they were going to kill Batman anyway.

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** Used rather infuriatingly in [[Recap/TheAdventuresOfBatmanAndRobinE7Harlequinade "Harlequinade"]]. A hilarious episode, but the amount of abuse Harley puts up with comes to a ridiculous point when she [[spoiler:realizes the Joker is planning to nuke Gotham, ''without'' rescuing their friends at Arkham or their pet hyenas]], and goes ballistic. She comes to the realization that Mister J "might not be the guy for me" (believe me, that's (that's a huge ''huge'' epiphany for Harley to have) and [[spoiler:fires her grappling hook at him, knocking him senseless. This causes a plane crash that had [[MadeOfIron absolutely no excuse for not being fatal]]. [[JokerImmunity When he emerges unscathed]], she holds him at gunpoint; [[KickTheDog he proceeds to verbally beat her down until she cries]], snaps, and ''[[TheDogBitesBack pulls the trigger]]''. That's right, Harley Quinn tries to whack the Joker. Of course, it turns out she picked up a gag gun by mistake, and nothing happens.]] happens]]. And what happens within ''seconds'' of Harley's huge emotional breakdown? [[spoiler:[[EasilyForgiven Joker comes out with a fluffy romantic line and they're back to being lovey-dovey.]]]] lovey-dovey]]]]. Even Batman sulks after seeing that!
** Happens again in the appropriately titled [[Recap/TheNewBatmanAdventuresE21MadLove "Mad Love"]]. The Joker crosses Harley's MoralEventHorizon [[spoiler: when he throws her out a window for upstaging him when she placed Batman in a DeathTrap as a gift to the Joker]]. As the episode ends Harley is back in Arkham, badly injured but looking saner than ever before in the series. Her expression is serious, her crazy grin gone, and her inner monologue shows that she now knows that the Joker is "a murderous, manipulative, irredeemable -" [[spoiler:And then she sees a flower and "Get Well" card the Joker sent to her. ''"-Angel!"'' And the insane grin returns.]] returns]]. [[MadLove This is entirely in character.]] Knowing the Joker, he sent the card solely to get her back on his hook.
** In The Trial, "The Trial", the JokerJury of villains argue that [[CreateYourOwnVillain Batman is the reason they're all supervillains.]] Eventually, Batman's counsel convinces them they would have all been criminals anyway, just maybe without the gimmicks. However, since it turns out they all were [[CardCarryingVillain evil on their own]], they were going to kill Batman anyway.



* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', the group runs afoul of a secret society who uphold TheMasquerade with a [[LaserGuidedAmnesia memory erasing gun]]. When Dipper points out their actions have driven [[spoiler:Old Man [=McGucket=]]] to insanity, their leader admits he feels bad, then immediately uses the gun to wipe that feeling from his mind.
* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Kim Possible}}'' episode "All the News" stuntwoman Adrena Lynn bungees out of the blimp and Kim catches her, only for it to be a dummy, as the lady fakes all her own stunts. Ron learns this and, repulsed by Lynn's actions, writes a story exposing her as a fake, resulting in her show being cancelled and leaving Lynn vowing revenge on Kim and Ron. Lynn learns about Kim dating a football player named Brick Flagg (actually, a fake story Ron made up to get himself on the papers for Middleton High) and kidnaps him, taking him to the abandoned Middleton Fairgrounds and tying him on a coaster. Then, as Lynn uses several obstacles to prevent Kim from rescuing Brick:

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* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', the group runs afoul of a secret society who uphold TheMasquerade the {{masquerade}} with a [[LaserGuidedAmnesia memory erasing gun]]. When Dipper points out their actions have driven [[spoiler:Old Man [=McGucket=]]] to insanity, their leader admits he feels bad, then immediately uses the gun to wipe that feeling from his mind.
* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Kim Possible}}'' the ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' episode "All the News" stuntwoman Adrena Lynn bungees out of the blimp and Kim catches her, only for it to be a dummy, as the lady fakes all her own stunts. Ron learns this and, repulsed by Lynn's actions, writes a story exposing her as a fake, resulting in her show being cancelled and leaving Lynn vowing revenge on Kim and Ron. Lynn learns about Kim dating a football player named Brick Flagg (actually, a fake story Ron made up to get himself on the papers for Middleton High) and kidnaps him, taking him to the abandoned Middleton Fairgrounds and tying him on a coaster. Then, as Lynn uses several obstacles to prevent Kim from rescuing Brick:
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** Happens again in the appropriately titled [[Recap/TheNewBatmanAdventuresE21MadLove "Mad Love"]]. The Joker crosses Harley's MoralEventHorizon [[spoiler: when he throws her out a window for upstaging him when she placed Batman in a DeathTrap as a gift to the Joker]]. As the episode ends Harley is back in Arkham, badly injured but looking saner than ever before in the series. Her expression is serious, her crazy grin gone, and her inner monologue shows that she now knows that the Joker is "a murderous, manipulative, irredeemable -" [[spoiler: And then she sees a flower and "Get Well" card the Joker sent to her. ''"-Angel!"'' And the insane grin returns.]] [[MadLove This is entirely in character.]]

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** Happens again in the appropriately titled [[Recap/TheNewBatmanAdventuresE21MadLove "Mad Love"]]. The Joker crosses Harley's MoralEventHorizon [[spoiler: when he throws her out a window for upstaging him when she placed Batman in a DeathTrap as a gift to the Joker]]. As the episode ends Harley is back in Arkham, badly injured but looking saner than ever before in the series. Her expression is serious, her crazy grin gone, and her inner monologue shows that she now knows that the Joker is "a murderous, manipulative, irredeemable -" [[spoiler: And [[spoiler:And then she sees a flower and "Get Well" card the Joker sent to her. ''"-Angel!"'' And the insane grin returns.]] [[MadLove This is entirely in character.]]]] Knowing the Joker, he sent the card solely to get her back on his hook.



* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Kim Possible}}'' episode "All the News" stuntwoman Adrena Lynn bungees out of the blimp and Kim catches her, only for it to be a dummy, as the lady fakes all her own stunts. Ron learns this and, repulsed by Lynn's actions, writes a story exposing her as a fake, resulting in her show being cancelled and leaving Lynn vowing revenge on Kim and Ron. Lynn learns about Kim dating a football player named Brick Flagg (actually, a fake story Ron made up to get himself on the papers for Middleton High) and kidnaps him, taking him to the abandoned Middleton Fairgrounds and tying him on a coaster. Then as Lynn uses several pbstacles to intervene Kim from rescuing Brick, Ron reveals to her that ''he'' caused her to be canceled and that he made the Kim and Brick thing up. Adena Lynn looks thoughtful... then brushes it off.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Kim Possible}}'' episode "All the News" stuntwoman Adrena Lynn bungees out of the blimp and Kim catches her, only for it to be a dummy, as the lady fakes all her own stunts. Ron learns this and, repulsed by Lynn's actions, writes a story exposing her as a fake, resulting in her show being cancelled and leaving Lynn vowing revenge on Kim and Ron. Lynn learns about Kim dating a football player named Brick Flagg (actually, a fake story Ron made up to get himself on the papers for Middleton High) and kidnaps him, taking him to the abandoned Middleton Fairgrounds and tying him on a coaster. Then Then, as Lynn uses several pbstacles obstacles to intervene prevent Kim from rescuing Brick, Ron reveals to her that ''he'' caused her to be canceled and that he made the Kim and Brick thing up. Adena Lynn looks thoughtful... then brushes it off.Brick:



-->'''Adrena Lynn''': Me, too....STARTING WITH MY VERY REAL DEFEAT OF KIM POSSIBLE!!! (''[[EvilLaugh laughs maniacally]]'')

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-->'''Adrena Lynn''': Me, too....too...STARTING WITH MY VERY REAL DEFEAT OF KIM POSSIBLE!!! (''[[EvilLaugh laughs maniacally]]'')
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* One issue of ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan Team Up'' had [=SpOck=]'s "Superior Six" plan utterly backfire on him with him realizing what he had done was horrible and that he's planning on quit being Spider-Man and turn himself in to ComicBook/TheAvengers. However, when he encounters [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]] and he former ruler talks to him about his problems... he knocks Namor on his ass, tells him to get out of his city and promptly swings away, proclaiming that he will still be the Superior Spider-Man.

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* One issue of ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan Team Up'' had [=SpOck=]'s "Superior Six" plan utterly backfire on him with him realizing what he had done was horrible and that he's planning on quit being Spider-Man and turn himself in to ComicBook/TheAvengers. However, when he encounters [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]] and he the former ruler talks to him about his problems... he knocks Namor on his ass, tells him to get out of his city and promptly swings away, proclaiming that he will still be the Superior Spider-Man.
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* In Stone Sour's double concept album ''House of Gold and Bones'', the antagonist Allen realizes in the song "Black John" that villains never win, and that he should at least give the main character The Human a chance. He goes through with this halfway, the next song "Sadist" is Allen trying to convince The Human to quit while he's ahead.

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* In Stone Sour's Music/StoneSour's double concept album ''House of Gold and Bones'', the antagonist Allen realizes in the song "Black John" that villains never win, and that he should at least give the main character The Human a chance. He goes through with this halfway, the next song "Sadist" is Allen trying to convince The Human to quit while he's ahead.
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* In Stone Sour's double concept album ''House of Gold and Bones'', the antagonist Allen realizes in the song "Black John" that villains never win, and that he should at least give the main character The Human a chance. He goes through with this halfway, the next song "Sadist" is Allen trying to convince The Human to quit while he's ahead.
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* Early in WorldWarII, during the invasion of the Soviet Union, the Nazis carried out conventional acts of genocide via having death squads (''Einsatzgruppen'') massacre whole villages of Jews and similar undesirables. Problems started cropping up when the soldiers participating in the massacres started [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone collapsing in horror]] at repeated murder, and even Heinrich Himmler vomited at the site of one such atrocity. Instead of realizing they were committing acts of pure evil, however, the Nazis [[DramaticallyMissingThePoint simply decided a more mechanical and detached means of mass murder was in order]], and thus the original FinalSolution was born.

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* Early in WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, during the invasion of the Soviet Union, the Nazis carried out conventional acts of genocide via having death squads (''Einsatzgruppen'') massacre whole villages of Jews and similar undesirables. Problems started cropping up when the soldiers participating in the massacres started [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone collapsing in horror]] at repeated murder, and even Heinrich Himmler vomited at the site of one such atrocity. Instead of realizing they were committing acts of pure evil, however, the Nazis [[DramaticallyMissingThePoint simply decided a more mechanical and detached means of mass murder was in order]], and thus the original FinalSolution was born.
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