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* In ''SuperPaperMario'' [[spoiler:Dimentio]] interferes with the protagonists for this purpose, allowing them to [[spoiler:defeat Count Bleck, thus freeing the Chaos Heart for him to use.]]

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* In ''SuperPaperMario'' ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'' [[spoiler:Dimentio]] interferes with the protagonists for this purpose, allowing them to [[spoiler:defeat Count Bleck, thus freeing the Chaos Heart for him to use.]]

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* This is why [[FullMetalAlchemist Edward Elric]] and Roy Mustang survive long enough to win, in the manga. Well, Roy at least; Ed is already 'strong enough;' it's just that it's not yet time for the sacrifice.
** Alarmingly, if Roy had caught a bullet during the coup, it would probably have ruined the BigBad's plans more thoroughly than any of the heroes' actual endeavors.
*** On the other hand, given the way Roy ended up being coerced it looks like they didn't need nearly as high a level in their sacrifices as they tried to obtain--they could have pulled that trick on every alchemist in Central starting with Armstrong, if necessary, until they hit one who survived the Gate.
*** On the ''other'' hand, the eclipse window was kind of small.
* In HunterXHunter, [[MonsterClown Hisoka]] is the BloodKnight variant. He just wants to have fun and fight strong opponents, and Gon and Killua look like they could grow up ''really'' fun to fight, so he lets them live and encourages their...development. And ogles their butts. Togashi doesn't even try to [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar get crap past the radar]], he just throws crap in and goes 'neener neener.'
** This is the guy who cut off his own arm to make a casual fight more interesting. And who had a years-long XanatosGambit that involved betraying some of the most dangerous people on earth just to fight their leader. You should have ''seen'' his face when a side-effect of reling on Kurapika's vendetta turned out to be that Kuroro Lucifer would die if he used his powers again. Kuroro thought it was pretty funny, himself.
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* The reason [[JohnnyCash a father would name his boy Sue]].
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* Infamous. Kessler could easily have killed Cole any time he liked, if he wanted Cole dead. He doesn't do this, however [[spoiler: because he's actually a much older version of Cole from a BadFuture, who's traveled back in time to ensure that Cole gets strong and ruthless enough to beat the opponent Kessler couldn't, and so prevent it from becoming a BadFuture.]] Kessler shows no such qualms about killing Cole's loved ones, however.
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* Pai Mei invokes this trope in ''KillBill Vol. 2'' while training The Bride; "Since your arm now belongs to me, I want it strong."
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* In StarWars, the Emperor wanted to make Luke Skywalker stronger, eventually [[WeCanRuleTogether making him his]] right-hand man. [[spoiler: [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready It doesn't work.]] No surprises here.]]

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* In StarWars, the Emperor wanted to make Luke Skywalker stronger, eventually [[WeCanRuleTogether making him his]] right-hand man. [[spoiler: [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready It doesn't work.]] No surprises here.]]\n
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** Later, General Targon does it too, letting Elan go even after he's tried to kill him. so he can gain some more levels, finish the current questline, and THEN come back to try again. His reasons are cleverer than most, however - he basically says that, should he lose in a climactic duel against a powerful hero, he'll go down in history as a legendary villain. And if he wins? Then he wins. [[spoiler:Of course, the fact that [[LukeIAmYourFather he's Elan's father]] may also play a role in his decision.]]

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** Later, General Targon Tarquin does it too, letting Elan go even after he's tried to kill him. so he can gain some more levels, finish the current questline, and THEN come back to try again. His reasons are cleverer than most, however - he basically says that, should he lose in a climactic duel against a powerful hero, he'll go down in history as a legendary villain. And if he wins? Then he wins. [[spoiler:Of course, the fact that [[LukeIAmYourFather he's Elan's father]] may also play a role in his decision.]]
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* Akuma from ''StreetFighter'' seems to imply that he views Ryu in this light. He could easily destroy Ryu but instead lets him live and train, believing that with proper nudging, he will develop the same dark fighting spirit that Akuma embraces. In the UDON Comics series of ''Street Fighter'' comics, this is outright stated after Akuma [[CurbstompBattle wipes the floor]] with Ryu and lets him live, leaving him with the trope as his parting words. In the end, this is subverted as Ryu chooses to reject the Dark Hadou and walk a more pure path as a warrior.
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** Later, General Targon does it too, letting Elan go even after he's tried to kill him. so he can gain some more levels, finish the current questline, and THEN come back to try again. His reasons are cleverer than most, however - he basically says that, should he lose in a climactic duel against a powerful hero, he'll go down in history as a legendary villain. And if he wins? Then he wins. [[spoiler:Of course, the fact that [[LukeIAmYourFather he's Elan's father]] may also play a role in his decision.]]

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* In StarWars, the Emperor wanted to make Luke Skywalker stronger, eventually [[WeCanRuleTogether making him his]] right-hand man. [[spoiler: [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready It doesn't work.]] No surprises here.]]
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* ''BlueDragon''. Those {{LivingShadow}}s you use to fight? [[spoiler:They're fragments of [[BigBad Nene]]'s one. He didn't feel like doing his own LevelGrinding, so he let you do it for him. He promptly takes the Shadows back when you confront him at the end of Disc 2, revitalising himself and leaving you powerless.]]
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* Played twice in ''KingdomHearts:BirthBySleep''. Master Xehanort encourages Terra to train and strengthen his powers in preparation for [[spoiler:his GrandTheftMe]], while Vanitas encourages Ven to become stronger because [[spoiler:their powers need to be equal to complete the χ-blade]].

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* Played twice in ''KingdomHearts:BirthBySleep''. Master Xehanort encourages Terra to train and strengthen his powers in preparation for [[spoiler:his GrandTheftMe]], [[spoiler: stealing his body to cheat death]], while Vanitas encourages Ven to become stronger because [[spoiler:their powers need to be equal to complete the χ-blade]].

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* In ''LostUniverse'', the main villain Yami doesn't kill Kain Blueriver when they first meet, wanting him to be stronger. [[spoiler: Making him stronger worked ''too'' well.]]


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* And in FinalFantasyXIII, this is indicated to have been in effect for the first portion of the game. Someone rather high up wants the Pulse L'Cie to get stronger.

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* And in FinalFantasyXIII, this is indicated to have been in effect for the first portion of the game. Someone rather high up wants the Pulse L'Cie l'Cie to get stronger.stronger. [[spoiler:Turns out it's Primarch Dysley, a.k.a. the fal'Cie Barthandelus, as part of his ThanatosGambit.]]
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* A variant on this shows up in ''EightBitTheater'', when [[spoiler:Sarda]] reveals that the true purpose of the Light Warriors' questing was [[spoiler:to make them as strong as possible, just so they would know that [[BestServedCold not even that much strength could stop him from killing them.]]]]
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\n* {{Diablo}} I. Whether it was Diablo's plan or not, ''it works''. FailureIsTheOnlyOption, and that's why he's 10 times stronger in Diablo II.
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* In ''GoldenSun'' (both games), Alex does jack squat to help his allies defeat you, as part of a plan to unleash Alchemy on the world.

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* In ''GoldenSun'' (both games), Alex does jack squat to help his allies defeat you, as part of a plan to unleash Alchemy on the world. [[spoiler:30 years later, he's STILL at it.]]
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* And in FinalFantasyXIII, this is indicated to have been in effect for the first portion of the game. Someone rather high up wants the Pulse L'Cie to get stronger.
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* In ''{{Bleach}}'', Aizen allows Ichigo to go through one last bout of TrainingFromHell because he wants him to be stronger when Aizen finally "eats" him. Given how DrunkOnPower Aizen is during their later fight, it becomes clear that Aizen just wanted a WorthyOpponent to crush with his new powers. It backfires on him because Ichigo took too many levels of Badass and was actually ''much'' stronger than Aizen anticipated.

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* In ''{{Bleach}}'', Aizen allows Ichigo to go through one last bout of TrainingFromHell because he wants him to be stronger when Aizen finally "eats" him. Given how DrunkOnPower DrunkWithPower Aizen is during their later fight, it becomes clear that Aizen just wanted a WorthyOpponent to crush with his new powers. It backfires on him because Ichigo took too many levels of Badass and was actually ''much'' stronger than Aizen anticipated.

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* In ''{{Bleach}}'', Aizen allows Ichigo to go through one last bout of TrainingFromHell because he wants him to be stronger when Aizen finally "eats" him. Given how DrunkOnPower Aizen is during their later fight, it becomes clear that Aizen just wanted a WorthyOpponent to crush with his new powers. It backfires on him because Ichigo took too many levels of Badass and was actually ''much'' stronger than Aizen anticipated.

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This is a subtrope of the XanatosGambit. See also: ILetYouWin, NotWorthKilling. Often a part of a MacGuffinDeliveryService. Compare StealthMentor.

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This is a subtrope of the XanatosGambit. See also: ILetYouWin, NotWorthKilling. NotWorthKilling, BringHimToMe. Often a part of a MacGuffinDeliveryService.MacguffinDeliveryService if the hero is an UnwittingPawn. Compare StealthMentor. Contrast YouWillBeSpared.
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* In ''OutLittleAdventure'', [[ItMakesSenseInContext the Palm Tree Ghost]] tells Julie that the city of Everwood should be her next destination, but she'd probably want to spend some time gaming a level or three before proceeding there.

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* In ''OutLittleAdventure'', ''OurLittleAdventure'', [[ItMakesSenseInContext the Palm Tree Ghost]] tells Julie that the city of Everwood should be her next destination, but she'd probably want to spend some time gaming a level or three before proceeding there.
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* In ''OutLittleAdventure'', [[ItMakesSenseInContext the Palm Tree Ghost]] tells Julie that the city of Everwood should be her next destination, but she'd probably want to spend some time gaming a level or three before proceeding there.
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\n*Played twice in ''KingdomHearts:BirthBySleep''. Master Xehanort encourages Terra to train and strengthen his powers in preparation for [[spoiler:his GrandTheftMe]], while Vanitas encourages Ven to become stronger because [[spoiler:their powers need to be equal to complete the χ-blade]].

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** Oh no, he actually quite successfully [[spoiler: slaughters the entire raid and one-shots everyone with Frostmourne. Unfortunately instead of finishing off Tirion Fordring himself he instead opts to EvilGloating as he's attempting to convert the players to Scourge, Tirion summons the powers of DeusExaMachina and breaks Frostmourne in half as Arthas gets HoistByHisOwnPetard of all the souls his sword had consumed and the raid is revived and finishes him off.]]

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** Oh no, he actually quite successfully [[spoiler: slaughters the entire raid and one-shots everyone with Frostmourne. Unfortunately instead of finishing off Tirion Fordring himself he instead opts to EvilGloating as he's attempting to convert the players to Scourge, Tirion summons the powers of DeusExaMachina DeusExMachina and breaks Frostmourne in half as Arthas gets HoistByHisOwnPetard of all the souls his sword had consumed and the raid is revived and finishes him off.]]
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Because it's [[XanatosGambit All Part Of The Plan]]. Maybe he needs the heroes strong enough to get to the top of Mount Tropey and [[MacguffinDeliveryService retrieve the Crown of Trope-Tan]]. Maybe he needs the ChosenOne as strong as possible before he [[GrandTheftMe takes his power or body]] as his own. So he keeps sending out one stronger opponent after another to test Our Hero (or lets him seek them out on his own). After all, if he can't handle that, he's no good for the Master Plan. Or the BigBad just may be a BloodKnight who wants to beat him at his strongest. Or it might just be plain ol' GenreBlindness.

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Because it's [[XanatosGambit All Part Of The Plan]]. Maybe he needs the heroes strong enough to get to the top of Mount Tropey and [[MacguffinDeliveryService retrieve the Crown of Trope-Tan]]. Maybe he needs the ChosenOne as strong as possible before he [[GrandTheftMe takes his power or body]] as his own. So he keeps sending out one stronger opponent after another to test Our Hero (or lets him seek them out on his own). After all, if he can't handle that, he's no good for the Master Plan. Or the BigBad just may be a BloodKnight who wants to beat him at his strongest. Or it might just be plain ol' GenreBlindness.
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* In SuperPaperMario [[spoiler:Dimentio]] interferes with the protagonists for this purpose, allowing them to [[spoiler:defeat Count Bleck, thus freeing the Chaos Heart for him to use.]]


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* In the first ''SuperRobotWarsOriginalGeneration'', ''every'' villainous organization is like this. In the cases of both the Divine Crusaders and [[spoiler:Ingram Prisken]], it's obvious that they're [[StealthMentor Stealth Mentors]]. The Aerogaters, on the other hand, want the heroes to be as strong as possible for when they're BrainwashedAndCrazy.

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The BigBad is sending our hero (and his RagtagBunchOfMisfits companions) through the wringer. He clearly has the power to wipe them out any time he feels like it. But he's content (for now) with sending out wave after wave of progressively stronger {{mooks}}, {{Elite Mook}}s, and the occasional QuirkyMinibossSquad to test our hero. Maybe he's even fought them personally, but let them live, maybe even [[ILetYouWin let them think they beat him.]] Maybe he even leaves them alone to train for their inevitable confrontation. So why don't they [[WhyDontYaJustShootHim finish the protagonist off and be done with it]]?

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The BigBad is sending our hero (and his RagtagBunchOfMisfits companions) through the wringer. He clearly has the power to wipe them out any time he feels like it. But he's content (for now) with sending out wave after wave of [[SortingAlgorithmOfEvil progressively stronger stronger]] {{mooks}}, {{Elite Mook}}s, and the occasional QuirkyMinibossSquad to test our hero. Maybe he's even fought them personally, but let them live, maybe even [[ILetYouWin let them think they beat him.]] Maybe he even leaves them alone to train for their inevitable confrontation. So why don't they [[WhyDontYaJustShootHim finish the protagonist off and be done with it]]?

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