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17th Jun '16 7:21:44 PM Zuxtron
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* ''VideoGame/Dota2'': The Techies are known and feared for being able to create invisible minefields, which can take off a huge portion of your health or even instantly kill you if you step on them. This can be used to invoke this trope: you can choose to put mines in a high-traffic area, where enemies are likely to step on them. But a savvy opponent will predict that, and take a different path instead. So you could choose to instead mine that path. To further increase the confusion, Techies can also place a minefield warning sign. Is the sign honestly warning you, or is it a trick to make you take the other path and get blown up there? These dilemmas can both be solved by putting down a Sentry Ward or buying a Gem of Truesight, which reveals the invisible mines so you can destroy them. But if the Techies buy Aghanim's Scepter, the minefield gains an additional ability: mines placed withing a small radius of it can not be revealed at all, even with truesight. Are you still willing to take that chance and walk through what may be a minefield? Or will you take the detour?
13th Jun '16 2:18:29 AM PaulA
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* Creator/EdgarAllanPoe plays this one straight in one of his mystery stories, "The Purloined Letter". Private eye Auguste Dupin actually explains that this is the reason he can outwit the police and get his man. The police know who stole the document; the thief knows the police know. The difference between Dupin and the police is that Dupin knows the suspect knows the police know, and the police don't know that.

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* Creator/EdgarAllanPoe plays this one straight in one of his mystery stories, "The Purloined Letter". "Literature/ThePurloinedLetter". Private eye Auguste Dupin Literature/CAugusteDupin actually explains that this is the reason he can outwit the police and get his man. The police know who stole the document; the thief knows the police know. The difference between Dupin and the police is that Dupin knows the suspect knows the police know, and the police don't know that.
7th Jun '16 12:54:10 PM Tron80
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* ''Fanfic/OnceMoreWithFeeling'': Gendo and SEELE's final goals come into conflict with one another. Both sides know that, Gendo knows SEELE knows his real goals, and SEELE knows Gendo knows they know he's liable to betray them in the future.
--> Their investigations ''had'' uncovered that there was some kind of friction between SEELE and their point man at Central. As far as Kaji had understood and explained it, the goals of SEELE and Gendo meshed well until some undetermined point in the future, at which point… things would probably happen.\\
Both sides ''pretended'' it wasn't the case, but both sides ''knew'' the truth and were constantly maneuvering for position even as they worked together closely on what they needed to cooperate on.
3rd Jun '16 2:27:46 PM DrFraud
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Usually results in an OverlyLongGag. Frequently ends with an ''"I DidntSeeThatComing"''. May result in ArchiveBinge-like behavior when plans are laid for both eventualities, and then for both of those eventualities, and then all four of those, and then all sixteen... This may develop into a GambitRoulette if it hasn't done so already.

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Usually results in an OverlyLongGag. Frequently ends with an ''"I DidntSeeThatComing"''."I DidntSeeThatComing". May result in ArchiveBinge-like behavior when plans are laid for both eventualities, and then for both of those eventualities, and then all four of those, and then all sixteen... This may develop into a GambitRoulette if it hasn't done so already.
3rd Jun '16 8:11:55 AM HiddenWindshield
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** The ''Literature/NewSeriesAdventures'' novel ''The Doctor Trap'' has an ''entire plot'' based off this. The villain is convince the Doctor knows something the villain doesn't. Not really. The titular trap, the Doctor explains is [[spoiler:what ''they think'' you know that they don't.]] Confused? Yeah, [[GambitPileup join everyone else in the book.]]

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** The ''Literature/NewSeriesAdventures'' novel ''The Doctor Trap'' has an ''entire plot'' based off this. The villain is convince convinced the Doctor knows something the villain doesn't. Not really. The titular trap, the Doctor explains is [[spoiler:what ''they think'' you know that they don't.]] Confused? Yeah, [[GambitPileup join everyone else in the book.]]
28th May '16 2:21:26 PM DaibhidC
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* The ''Literature/NewSeriesAdventures'' novel ''The Doctor Trap'' has an ''entire plot'' based off this. The villain is convince the Doctor knows something the villain doesn't. Not really. The titular trap, the Doctor explains is [[spoiler:what ''they think'' you know that they don't.]] Confused? Yeah, [[GambitPileup join everyone else in the book.]]

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* ** The ''Literature/NewSeriesAdventures'' novel ''The Doctor Trap'' has an ''entire plot'' based off this. The villain is convince the Doctor knows something the villain doesn't. Not really. The titular trap, the Doctor explains is [[spoiler:what ''they think'' you know that they don't.]] Confused? Yeah, [[GambitPileup join everyone else in the book.]]
28th May '16 2:20:46 PM DaibhidC
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* The BBC ''Series/DoctorWho'' book ''The Doctor Trap'' has an ''entire plot'' based off this. The villain is convince the Doctor knows something the villain doesn't. Not really. The titular trap, the Doctor explains is [[spoiler:what ''they think'' you know that they don't.]] Confused? Yeah, [[GambitPileup join everyone else in the book.]]

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* ''DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse''
* The BBC ''Series/DoctorWho'' book ''Literature/NewSeriesAdventures'' novel ''The Doctor Trap'' has an ''entire plot'' based off this. The villain is convince the Doctor knows something the villain doesn't. Not really. The titular trap, the Doctor explains is [[spoiler:what ''they think'' you know that they don't.]] Confused? Yeah, [[GambitPileup join everyone else in the book.]]


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** In the ''Literature/DoctorWhoNewAdventures'' novel ''Death and Diplomacy'', deception is the [[PlanetOfHats hat]] of the Saloi. And everyone knows that. And everyone knows that the Saloi know that everyone knows that. So everyone knows that the Saloi are trying to deceive them in the knowledge that they will assume everything the Saloi say is an attempt to deceive them. The ultimate example is their leader, who is obviously a figurehead for his senior advisor [[spoiler: except he isn't, he's actually the leader. And even ''he'' doesn't know that, although once he learns he starts to suspect everyone else ''did''.]]
21st May '16 8:19:17 PM Eievie
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'''Level 0''': absolute honesty, no deception.

'''Level 1''': X plays level 1 (hereafter abbreviated X(n)). X(1) has information that Y(0) does not, and utilizes this in a deception.

'''Level 2''': Y(2) knows that X(1) is playing a deception. Y(2) reacts accordingly.

'''Level 3''': X(3) knows that Y(2) is well aware of the deception, and thus plans for the outcome of the first deception being revealed.

'''Level 4''': Y(4) is aware of the above play, and knows that the logical reaction to finding out the deception will play right into X(3)'s hands. Thus, Y(4) plays around X(3).

'''Level 5''': X(5)'s entire deception is a deception, maybe meant only to engage Y(4).

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* '''Level 0''': absolute honesty, no deception.

deception.
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'''Level 1''': X plays level 1 (hereafter abbreviated X(n)). X(1) has information that Y(0) does not, and utilizes this in a deception.

deception.
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'''Level 2''': Y(2) knows that X(1) is playing a deception. Y(2) reacts accordingly.

accordingly.
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'''Level 3''': X(3) knows that Y(2) is well aware of the deception, and thus plans for the outcome of the first deception being revealed.

revealed.
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'''Level 4''': Y(4) is aware of the above play, and knows that the logical reaction to finding out the deception will play right into X(3)'s hands. Thus, Y(4) plays around X(3).

X(3).
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'''Level 5''': X(5)'s entire deception is a deception, maybe meant only to engage Y(4).
6th May '16 11:04:16 AM Chessanator
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** Notably, it's also important to be playing exactly one level higher than your opponent but no more. There's no point playing at level 2 (Trying to work out what cards your opponent has) if they are only playing at level 0 (i.e. without looking at their cards) and there's no point playing at level three (manipulating your table image to convince your opponent you have certain cards) if your opponent is playing at level 1 (only looking at their cards without trying to work out what you have).
25th Apr '16 6:29:44 AM Tron80
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* In ''Fanfic/ThousandShinji'': When a SEELE’s black ops team is assassinated, Keel argues that Gendo isn’t behind that mess because it isn’t his style. Another SEELE member points out that maybe he knew that they know this. Keel angrily replied that kind or debate will get them nowhere.
--> “It is not his style to leave the execution of something like this to a subordinate like that. He might never get his hands dirty, but he wants to be there to watch.”\\
“Unless of course he knew that we knew this sort of thing would be outside his style,” the American from before points out.\\
“True, but we could play ‘He knows I know’ all day and get nowhere.
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