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7th Jan '18 11:47:00 PM KeithM
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* In American football it's not uncommon in a short yardage situation on fourth down in field goal range for the offense to line up and try to draw the defense offside. If it works, they get the first down and continue the drive, and if it doesn't they can call a time out (or take the five yard penalty for delay of game if they're close enough) and try for the field goal. Since this is so obvious, the defense typically knows they're trying this. However, on some occasions the offense does run a play, catching the defense off-guard because they know the defense knows they're trying to get an offside and not run a play. However, the defense knows that the offense knows that the defense knows what they're trying, so they're on the lookout for an actual play. However the offense knows that...
6th Jan '18 3:07:44 AM DisillusionedJoey
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* In the backstory to the telemovie ''The Dog It Was That Died British'' spy Rupert Purvis was approached by a Russian agent Rashnikov to become a double agent. He tells Purvis to go to the British and tell them about this approach then return to him. So the British would know that the Russians know, he does, then returns to tell the British so they know that the Russians know that they know. Then he returns to Rashnikov so the Russians know that the British know that they know that the British know. How long did this continue? He doesn't remember, so he's unsure whether he was spying for the British against the Russians or vice versa. This is a factor in his suicide attempt [[spoiler: and the second successful attempt]].
3rd Jan '18 4:39:15 PM dotchan
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* Fighting gamer and game designer David Sirlin calls it "Yomi Layers" with "I know you know I know" being the third layer. He explains it in-depth in [[http://www.sirlin.net/articles/game-balance-and-yomi this article.]]
3rd Jan '18 4:37:09 PM dotchan
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* Fighting gamer and game designer David Sirlin calls it "Yomi Layers" with "I know you know I know" being the third layer. He explains it in-depth in [[http://www.sirlin.net/articles/yomi-layer-3-knowing-the-mind-of-the-opponent.html this article.]]

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* Fighting gamer and game designer David Sirlin calls it "Yomi Layers" with "I know you know I know" being the third layer. He explains it in-depth in [[http://www.sirlin.net/articles/yomi-layer-3-knowing-the-mind-of-the-opponent.html net/articles/game-balance-and-yomi this article.]]
3rd Jan '18 11:26:22 AM MasterFuzzy
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* The sixth installment of [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11052712/6/Legacy-VI ruth baulding's Legacy]] series has Obi-Wan, bored with being stuck at the Temple and with Yoda refusing his request to go back onto active status, have his diplomacy class participate in an exercise which ends up becoming a ruckus and leading to the annoyance and frustration of several Masters. Mace confronts him in the dojo and tells him that between the anger of the senior Masters and Anakin's trouble fitting in with the community, they're being placed back on the active duty roster immediately, as a disciplinary action.
-->'''Mace:''' ''I know you know I know that you knew this would be the outcome.''



* In ''Literature/SkinGame,'' [[Literature/DresdenFiles Harry]] is forced to team up with BigBad Nicodemus for a mission. Harry knows that Nicodemus will stab him in the back the moment he's achieved the objective. Nicodemus knows that Harry knows and will want to kill him, both in self-defense and for Nicodemus' other crimes. Therefore, Nicodemus will want to betray him first. Harry knows that Nicodemus will be expecting the betrayal, and so [[spoiler: hires Goodman Grey]] before he goes off with Nicodemus. And the ''entire thing,'' it turns out, is just a BatmanGambit done by [[spoiler: Mab, Hades, and John Marcone]]. Which Harry figures out and spells out for the reader, adding in AsYouKnow to IKnowYouKnowIKnow.

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* In ''Literature/SkinGame,'' [[Literature/DresdenFiles Harry]] Harry Dresden]] is forced to team up with BigBad Nicodemus for a mission.mission by [[spoiler: Mab]]. Harry knows that Nicodemus will stab him in the back the moment he's achieved the objective. Nicodemus knows that Harry knows and will want to kill him, both in self-defense and for Nicodemus' other crimes. Therefore, Nicodemus will want to betray him first. Harry knows that Nicodemus will be expecting the betrayal, and so [[spoiler: hires Goodman Grey]] before he goes off with Nicodemus. And the ''entire thing,'' it turns out, is just a BatmanGambit done by [[spoiler: Mab, Hades, and John Marcone]]. Which Harry figures out and spells out for the reader, [[UpToEleven adding in in]] AsYouKnow to IKnowYouKnowIKnow.
21st Dec '17 12:21:25 PM MasterFuzzy
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* In ''Literature/SkinGame,'' [[Literature/DresdenFiles Harry]] is forced to team up with BigBad Nicodemus for a mission. Harry knows that Nicodemus will stab him in the back the moment he's achieved the objective. Nicodemus knows that Harry knows and will want to kill him, both in self-defense and for Nicodemus' other crimes. Therefore, Nicodemus will want to betray him first. Harry knows that Nicodemus will be expecting the betrayal, and so [[spoiler: hires Goodman Grey]] before he goes off with Nicodemus. And the ''entire thing,'' it turns out, is just a BatmanGambit done by [[spoiler: Mab, Hades, and John Marcone]]. Which Harry figures out and spells out for the reader, adding in AsYouKnow to IKnowYouKnowIKnow.



** The best solution is for the second general to fire a flare above the city to signify having received the first message.

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** [[TakeAThirdOption The best solution is for the second general to fire a flare above the city to signify having received the first message.]]
12th Dec '17 1:08:12 PM ludditetolpuddle
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* From "Ice Cold In Alex":-
"Did you notice, Sargeant, that even though we know he's a German, and HE knows we know he's a German, he kept up the South African accent right up to when his head went under (the quicksand)?"
"The bubbles are still coming up sir, he's alive down there, don't you think we should pull him out?"
"What for? The man's a bloody Nazi!"
"I know sir, but he's got Katy (a truck)'s keys in his pocket".
"Oh bloody hell!"
24th Nov '17 9:30:46 AM nombretomado
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* Negativland's ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_rhzKly8s&list=PLIzlr2RR_imLgKYH88_rcQ6U4G5TpZp-0 Time Zones Exchange Project]]'' has a moment early on where erstwhile [[AlphabetNewsNetwork Universal Media Netweb]] star Dickie Diamond (Richard Lyons) succumbs to his paranoid delusions and goes completely [[https://archive.org/details/ote over the edge]], flying off in the traffic herders' Whirlycopter with a Media-Shifter and that vilest of all weapons, a ''script''. He tells UMN producer Omer Edge (Don Joyce) he's discovered Netweb executives' [[ConspiracyTheory conspiracy]] to get rid of him: "Don't you think I know that you know, that I know what you and Friday are up to?" [[https://youtu.be/5T_rhzKly8s?t=7m38s Hear it here.]]

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* Negativland's ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_rhzKly8s&list=PLIzlr2RR_imLgKYH88_rcQ6U4G5TpZp-0 Time Zones Exchange Project]]'' has a moment early on where erstwhile [[AlphabetNewsNetwork Universal Media Netweb]] star Dickie Diamond (Richard Lyons) succumbs to his paranoid delusions and goes completely [[https://archive.org/details/ote over the edge]], flying off in the traffic herders' Whirlycopter with a Media-Shifter and that vilest of all weapons, a ''script''. He tells UMN producer Omer Edge (Don Joyce) he's discovered Netweb executives' [[ConspiracyTheory [[UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories conspiracy]] to get rid of him: "Don't you think I know that you know, that I know what you and Friday are up to?" [[https://youtu.be/5T_rhzKly8s?t=7m38s Hear it here.]]
21st Nov '17 7:11:05 PM PaulA
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** In the ''Literature/DoctorWhoNewAdventures'' novel ''Death and Diplomacy'', deception is the [[PlanetOfHats hat]] of the Saloi. And everyone knows that. And everyone knows that the Saloi know that everyone knows that. So everyone knows that the Saloi are trying to deceive them in the knowledge that they will assume everything the Saloi say is an attempt to deceive them. The ultimate example is their leader, who is obviously a figurehead for his senior advisor [[spoiler: except he isn't, he's actually the leader. And even ''he'' doesn't know that, although once he learns he starts to suspect everyone else ''did''.]]

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** In the ''Literature/DoctorWhoNewAdventures'' novel ''Death ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoNewAdventuresDeathAndDiplomacy Death and Diplomacy'', Diplomacy]]'', deception is the [[PlanetOfHats hat]] of the Saloi. And everyone knows that. And everyone knows that the Saloi know that everyone knows that. So everyone knows that the Saloi are trying to deceive them in the knowledge that they will assume everything the Saloi say is an attempt to deceive them. The ultimate example is their leader, who is obviously a figurehead for his senior advisor [[spoiler: except [[spoiler:except he isn't, he's actually the leader. And even ''he'' doesn't know that, although once he learns he starts to suspect everyone else ''did''.]]''did'']].
11th Nov '17 12:42:14 PM CheeseDogX
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** The [[Literature/{{Dune}} first book]] alone features a subverted RedHerringMole (someone suspected of being a traitor who is both too obvious to be the real mole as well as BeneathSuspicion, but actually turns out to be the traitor), followed by an elaborate mind game played by Thufir Hawat to set the Harkonnens against one another, and capped with Paul successfully bluffing and counter-bluffing the combined forces of the Bene Gesserit, the Imperium, and the Spacing Guild.

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** The [[Literature/{{Dune}} first book]] alone features a subverted RedHerringMole (someone suspected of being a traitor who is both too obvious to be the real mole as well as BeneathSuspicion, but actually turns out to be the traitor), followed by an elaborate mind game played by Thufir Hawat to set the Harkonnens against one another, and capped with Paul successfully bluffing and counter-bluffing the combined forces of the Bene Gesserit, the Imperium, and the Spacing Guild. The Baron Harkonnen [[DiscussedTrope discusses]] this trope with his nephew in his introductory chapter, calling it "plans within plans within plans."
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