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6th Jun '16 11:43:43 AM Doug86
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* After WorldWarI, Italian general Luigi Cadorna, best known for his draconian discipline measures, [[AttackAttackAttack inability to conceive a different tactic from the frontal attack]], practically establishing a dictature in everything but name and [[CurbStompBattle getting crushed at Caporetto]] before being sacked, wrote a book in which he justified almost all his actions with necessity. Doing only frontal attacks? There was no time nor resources to retrain the soldiers for different tactics, and he ''still'' managed to partly doing it ''and'' create the most feared special forces of the war. Retiring most troops and all airplanes from Libya, thus crippling the efforts to crush the Senussi rebellion while it's still weak? He needed them to fight Austria-Hungary, and they could reconquer Libya relatively easily once the war was won. The dictature? Necessary to fight a war without being crippled by Italy's {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s that caused the Italian Army to enter the war underequipped, and he could have taken over and established an actual dictature whenever he wanted (he actually got some flak from Mussolini for backing out of a coup attempt). That draconian discipline? It had to be done. What's worse, is that, aside for the draconian discipline, ''he was right''.
** To clarify: the Royal Italian Army was trained in Napoleonic Wars-era tactics that the war had just proved would fail against the combination of reticulate, trench lines and machine guns, and while he didn't have the time and resources to retrain the peacetime army and the recalled soldiers he could give better training to the newest batches of [[{{Conscription}} conscripts]], and in fact had the idea of calling the new classes one year early to give them all the necessary training before sending them to the front; for all the strength they managed to cumulate, the Senussi remained embarrassingly outgunned and were no match for even an half-serious counteroffensive (and in fact the remaining Italian garrisons casually spanked the Senussi during the war), and when FascistItaly decided it was time to reconquer the country the Senussi were quickly reduced to guerilla, before crushing it when the rebel leaders refused to compromise (and made clear in the process they could have wiped out the entire population, had they wished so); Italy's {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s had single-handedly made sure the Italian Army wouldn't have the equipment they needed (particularly egregious being the missed adoption of an indigenous machine gun comparable to the legendary Maxim because [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem the guy who had designed the]] [[ReliablyUnreliableGuns infamously bad FIAT Mod.1914 machine gun]] was on the commission and [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney was backed by the FIAT corporation]] and paying in advance a large batch of Maxim guns that ended up with half not being delivered due the start of WorldWarI and Italy being nominally allied with the Central Powers at the time, leading to the adoption of the Mod.1914) ''and'' caused Lybian rebellion due a combination of sabotage of the efforts to defeat the last remnants of resistance, antagonizing important tribal chiefs (including those of the Senussi), sabotaged the expedition that could and should have crushed the rebellion with ease (the expedition commander's arrogance played a part, but had he been given what he had asked he would have won with ease), and had Cadorna not established that dictature the Royal Italian Army wouldn't have had the weapons to fight the war. The discipline ended up lowering the troops' morale (to the point that at Caporetto many decided to just walk and return home upon hearing of the Austro-Hungarian breakthrough, making the situation much worse than it should have been, before they [[LetsGetDangerous decided the Austro-Hungarians had no right to invade Italian soil and started fighting like demons]]), but he was rightly infamous for that even before becoming the chief of staff, and that was the only one of his measures that his successor Armando Diaz did not adopt.

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* After WorldWarI, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, Italian general Luigi Cadorna, best known for his draconian discipline measures, [[AttackAttackAttack inability to conceive a different tactic from the frontal attack]], practically establishing a dictature in everything but name and [[CurbStompBattle getting crushed at Caporetto]] before being sacked, wrote a book in which he justified almost all his actions with necessity. Doing only frontal attacks? There was no time nor resources to retrain the soldiers for different tactics, and he ''still'' managed to partly doing it ''and'' create the most feared special forces of the war. Retiring most troops and all airplanes from Libya, thus crippling the efforts to crush the Senussi rebellion while it's still weak? He needed them to fight Austria-Hungary, and they could reconquer Libya relatively easily once the war was won. The dictature? Necessary to fight a war without being crippled by Italy's {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s that caused the Italian Army to enter the war underequipped, and he could have taken over and established an actual dictature whenever he wanted (he actually got some flak from Mussolini for backing out of a coup attempt). That draconian discipline? It had to be done. What's worse, is that, aside for the draconian discipline, ''he was right''.
** To clarify: the Royal Italian Army was trained in Napoleonic Wars-era tactics that the war had just proved would fail against the combination of reticulate, trench lines and machine guns, and while he didn't have the time and resources to retrain the peacetime army and the recalled soldiers he could give better training to the newest batches of [[{{Conscription}} conscripts]], and in fact had the idea of calling the new classes one year early to give them all the necessary training before sending them to the front; for all the strength they managed to cumulate, the Senussi remained embarrassingly outgunned and were no match for even an half-serious counteroffensive (and in fact the remaining Italian garrisons casually spanked the Senussi during the war), and when FascistItaly decided it was time to reconquer the country the Senussi were quickly reduced to guerilla, before crushing it when the rebel leaders refused to compromise (and made clear in the process they could have wiped out the entire population, had they wished so); Italy's {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s had single-handedly made sure the Italian Army wouldn't have the equipment they needed (particularly egregious being the missed adoption of an indigenous machine gun comparable to the legendary Maxim because [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem the guy who had designed the]] [[ReliablyUnreliableGuns infamously bad FIAT Mod.1914 machine gun]] was on the commission and [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney was backed by the FIAT corporation]] and paying in advance a large batch of Maxim guns that ended up with half not being delivered due the start of WorldWarI UsefulNotes/WorldWarI and Italy being nominally allied with the Central Powers at the time, leading to the adoption of the Mod.1914) ''and'' caused Lybian rebellion due a combination of sabotage of the efforts to defeat the last remnants of resistance, antagonizing important tribal chiefs (including those of the Senussi), sabotaged the expedition that could and should have crushed the rebellion with ease (the expedition commander's arrogance played a part, but had he been given what he had asked he would have won with ease), and had Cadorna not established that dictature the Royal Italian Army wouldn't have had the weapons to fight the war. The discipline ended up lowering the troops' morale (to the point that at Caporetto many decided to just walk and return home upon hearing of the Austro-Hungarian breakthrough, making the situation much worse than it should have been, before they [[LetsGetDangerous decided the Austro-Hungarians had no right to invade Italian soil and started fighting like demons]]), but he was rightly infamous for that even before becoming the chief of staff, and that was the only one of his measures that his successor Armando Diaz did not adopt.
4th Jun '16 11:58:53 PM Eilevgmyhren
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** Eventually, they did.
15th May '16 1:02:58 AM Tron80
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* Deconstructed in ''Fanfic/NeonGenesisEvangelionGenocide''. [[BigBad Gendo]] labeled any atrocity he committed as “necessary sacrifice”. His second-in-command Fuyutsuki called his reasoning “bad excuse”.
-->The bridge crew had performed admirably given the circumstances, as Fuyutsuki had come to expect, even if they all knew that in following his orders they would be crippling themselves beyond repair. It was, as always, a necessary sacrifice.\\
Fuyutsuki almost laughed. He had lost track of how many times Ikari had used that justification for what NERV had done, and the atrocities they had committed. Lazy minds tended to drift towards the excuses that were familiar to them, usually as a simple matter of expediency; who could come up with a new excuse every time their decisions were questioned? But eventually the sacrifices deemed necessary added up to even greater costs than the things they were determined to prevent in the first place.
30th Apr '16 8:59:21 AM DannWoolf
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* SpiderMan breaks a promise to venom to let him go after capturing carnage. J. Jonah Jameson can't resist pulling a WhatTheHellHero by saying that Captain America would have kept his word. Spidey's response smacks of this trope.

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* SpiderMan breaks a promise to venom Venom to let him go after capturing carnage.Carnage. J. Jonah Jameson can't resist pulling a WhatTheHellHero by saying that Captain America would have kept his word. Spidey's response smacks of this trope.
30th Apr '16 8:59:21 AM DannWoolf
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17th Apr '16 5:18:13 AM Tron80
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* ''Fanfic/ChildrenOfAnElderGod'': When a terrorist group invaded NERV's German base, Shinji and Asuka killed several terrorists in self-defense. Neither of them was happy about killing humans, but they had to defend themselves.
-->"Me too. I...we did what we had to do," Shinji said. "I feel terrible about it, but we really didn't have a choice. They had...they had to be stopped, right?"\\
"Right," Asuka said. "We didn't have a choice. Really. They invaded our base and wanted to use us to fight for their madness instead of against the Angels. And they had...they had Katsuragi-san."
25th Mar '16 9:34:18 PM Chris116
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* During his recent interview with Sean Penn and Kate [=DeCastillio=], notorious drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman listed this trope as the reason he entered the drug business and ended up heading his cartel.
23rd Mar '16 5:42:11 PM Eddy1215
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** Also in "Darkest Hour", [[spoiler:when Optimus had to destroy the Omega Keys which would have revived Cybertron to save Jack, Miko and Raf.]]

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** Also in "Darkest Hour", [[spoiler:when Optimus had to destroy the Omega Keys Lock which would have revived Cybertron to save Jack, Miko and Raf.the Earth.]]
23rd Mar '16 5:40:48 PM Eddy1215
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* [[spoiler: Ra's Al Ghul]] says this line verbatim in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond''. [[spoiler:he HAD placed his mind into his daughter's body in order to cheat death.]]

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* [[spoiler: Ra's Al Ghul]] says this line verbatim in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond''. [[spoiler:he HAD [[spoiler:He ''had'' placed his mind into his daughter's body in order to cheat death.]]
23rd Mar '16 5:38:13 PM Eddy1215
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* Bad Cop has to justify doing this in ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'', since it's his and Good Cop's neck on the line if he doesn't Kragle his own parents as punishment for failing to capture the Special. [[EvenMooksHaveLovedOnes both sides were clearly distressed to hear that they had to do this to their own parents]]; but Bad Cop did it because he knew the harsh consequences that would otherwise happen if they didn't obey. Unfortunately, this becomes the case when Good Cop can't bring himself to do it, winning out his other side and having his own face wiped clean off as a result.

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* Bad Cop has to justify doing this in ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'', since it's his and Good Cop's neck on the line if he doesn't Kragle his own parents as punishment for failing to capture the Special. [[EvenMooksHaveLovedOnes both Both sides were clearly distressed to hear that they had to do this to their own parents]]; but Bad Cop did it because he knew the harsh consequences that would otherwise happen if they didn't obey. Unfortunately, this becomes the case when Good Cop can't bring himself to do it, winning out his other side and having his own face wiped clean off as a result.
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