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10th Dec '17 12:49:43 PM nombretomado
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* In ''[[DongBangShinKi DBSK]]'''s music video for "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTev-dfmpyo&feature=related Before]][[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY9EsuPWHp0&feature=related U Go]]" had a friend of Yunho and Changmin do this. First, he joined the police force with Yunho and Changmin. Then for an unknown reason, he was TheMole for the mafia. After he accidentally shot Yunho and was caught by Changmin, he decided to quit. A year later, he was forced to kill Changmin when the mafia held his [[IllGirl sick sister]] hostage. By the time things were over and after Yunho and Changmin found out the truth, they could never fully trust him again.

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* In ''[[DongBangShinKi DBSK]]'''s [[Music/DongBangShinKi DBSK]]'s music video for "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTev-dfmpyo&feature=related Before]][[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY9EsuPWHp0&feature=related U Go]]" had a friend of Yunho and Changmin do this. First, he joined the police force with Yunho and Changmin. Then for an unknown reason, he was TheMole for the mafia. After he accidentally shot Yunho and was caught by Changmin, he decided to quit. A year later, he was forced to kill Changmin when the mafia held his [[IllGirl sick sister]] hostage. By the time things were over and after Yunho and Changmin found out the truth, they could never fully trust him again.
5th Dec '17 4:54:45 PM fairlyfelonious
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* [[MadGod Loki]] seems to have this problem as of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' . He spent the first part of his adult life fighting for Asgard, which, [[spoiler: [[DarkAndTroubledPast at that time, at least]]]], played the role of peacekeeper and protector of the nine realms. However, since [[GoMadFromTheRevelation going mad]] after [[InternalizedCategorism learning he is a Frost Giant]], he has [[BigBad mostly played the role of antagonist.]] In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', however, he [[spoiler: [[EnemyMine helped Thor save the universe]] and [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas avenged Frigga's death]]]], and during ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', the damage he helped cause[[spoiler: to the nine realms was mostly due to [[ItsAllAboutMe inaction as the ruler of Asgard]] [[IHaveNoSon and the actions he took to get back at his father]]]] rather than the [[EvilPlan deliberate malice that characterized his past appearances.]] However, during the course of the third film, he does [[spoiler: [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betray Thor again to no one's surprise]], but in the end decides to come back last minute to help save the citizens of Asgard.]] At one point, when Bruce Banner asks him if he still wants to kill everyone like he did the last time they met, he even admits that [[AxCrazy it changes from moment to moment.]] He also seems very confused about if he still wants to kill Thor while he is watching the gladiator match between Thor and the Hulk, alternately cheering when the Hulk hurts his brother, jumping up in concern when he hurts him too much, pretending he isn't concerned, and then cheering the Hulk some more. The side-switching in this case appears to be due to the fact that the character himself is confused about what he wants.

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* [[MadGod Loki]] seems to have this problem as of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' . He spent the first part of his adult life fighting for Asgard, which, [[spoiler: [[DarkAndTroubledPast at that time, at least]]]], played the role of peacekeeper and protector of the nine realms. However, since [[GoMadFromTheRevelation going mad]] after [[InternalizedCategorism learning he is a Frost Giant]], he has [[BigBad mostly played the role of antagonist.]] In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', however, he [[spoiler: [[EnemyMine helped Thor save the universe]] and [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas avenged Frigga's death]]]], and during ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', the damage he helped cause[[spoiler: to the nine realms was mostly due to [[ItsAllAboutMe inaction as the ruler of Asgard]] [[IHaveNoSon and the actions he took to get back at his father]]]] rather than the [[EvilPlan deliberate malice that characterized his past appearances.]] However, during the course of the third film, he does [[spoiler: [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betray Thor again to no one's surprise]], but in the end decides to come back last minute to help save the citizens of Asgard.]] At one point, when Bruce Banner asks him if he still wants to kill everyone like he did the last time they met, he even admits that [[AxCrazy it changes from moment to moment.]] He also seems very confused about if he still wants to kill Thor while he is watching the gladiator match between Thor and the Hulk, alternately cheering when the Hulk hurts his brother, jumping up in concern when he hurts him too much, pretending he isn't concerned, and then cheering the Hulk some more. The constant side-switching in this case appears to be due to the fact that the character himself is confused about what he wants.
very confused, in this case.
5th Dec '17 12:57:39 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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This is common in ComicBooks, media using the FleetingDemographicRule, and collaborative media written by fans RunningTheAsylum. It's easier with characters who have what is initially a NeverLiveItDown moment or a RememberWhenYouBlewUpASun in their past. Beware; if an EnsembleDarkhorse ex-villain has had a long and well-developed redemption arc, [[SnapBack turning them]] [[StatusQuoIsGod evil again]] may [[FanonDiscontinuity anger]] [[InternetBackdraft a significant portion]] [[FanDisillusionment of the fanbase]], especially if it's done suddenly or for little reason.

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This is common in ComicBooks, media using the FleetingDemographicRule, and collaborative media written by fans RunningTheAsylum. It's easier with characters who have what is initially a NeverLiveItDown moment or a RememberWhenYouBlewUpASun in their past. Beware; if an EnsembleDarkhorse ex-villain has had a long and well-developed redemption arc, [[SnapBack turning them]] [[StatusQuoIsGod them evil again]] may [[FanonDiscontinuity anger]] [[InternetBackdraft anger a significant portion]] [[FanDisillusionment portion of the fanbase]], fanbase, especially if it's done suddenly or for little reason.
5th Dec '17 12:34:45 AM fairlyfelonious
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* [[MadGod Loki]] seems to have this problem as of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' . He spent the first part of his adult life fighting for Asgard, which, [[spoiler: [[DarkAndTroubledPast at that time, at least]]]], played the role of peacekeeper and protector of the nine realms. However, since [[GoMadFromTheRevelation going mad]] after [[InternalizedCategorism learning he is a Frost Giant]], he has [[BigBad mostly played the role of antagonist.]] In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', however, he [[spoiler: [[EnemyMine helped Thor save the universe]] and [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas avenged Frigga's death]]]], and during ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', the damage he helped cause[[spoiler: to the nine realms was mostly due to [[ItsAllAboutMe inaction as the ruler of Asgard]] [[IHaveNoSon and the actions he took to get back at his father]]]] rather than the [[EvilPlan deliberate malice that characterized his past appearances.]] However, during the course of the third film, he does [[spoiler: [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betray Thor again to no one's surprise]], but in the end decides to come back last minute to help save the citizens of Asgard.]] At one point, when Bruce Banner asks him if he still wants to kill everyone like he did the last time they met, he even admits that [[AxCrazy it changes from moment to moment.]]

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* [[MadGod Loki]] seems to have this problem as of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' . He spent the first part of his adult life fighting for Asgard, which, [[spoiler: [[DarkAndTroubledPast at that time, at least]]]], played the role of peacekeeper and protector of the nine realms. However, since [[GoMadFromTheRevelation going mad]] after [[InternalizedCategorism learning he is a Frost Giant]], he has [[BigBad mostly played the role of antagonist.]] In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', however, he [[spoiler: [[EnemyMine helped Thor save the universe]] and [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas avenged Frigga's death]]]], and during ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', the damage he helped cause[[spoiler: to the nine realms was mostly due to [[ItsAllAboutMe inaction as the ruler of Asgard]] [[IHaveNoSon and the actions he took to get back at his father]]]] rather than the [[EvilPlan deliberate malice that characterized his past appearances.]] However, during the course of the third film, he does [[spoiler: [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betray Thor again to no one's surprise]], but in the end decides to come back last minute to help save the citizens of Asgard.]] At one point, when Bruce Banner asks him if he still wants to kill everyone like he did the last time they met, he even admits that [[AxCrazy it changes from moment to moment.]] He also seems very confused about if he still wants to kill Thor while he is watching the gladiator match between Thor and the Hulk, alternately cheering when the Hulk hurts his brother, jumping up in concern when he hurts him too much, pretending he isn't concerned, and then cheering the Hulk some more. The side-switching in this case appears to be due to the fact that the character himself is confused about what he wants.
25th Nov '17 5:17:34 PM FruityOatyBars
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This is common in ComicBooks, media using the FleetingDemographicRule, and collaborative media written by fans RunningTheAsylum. It's easier with characters who have what is initially a NeverLiveItDown moment or a RememberWhenYouBlewUpASun in their past.

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This is common in ComicBooks, media using the FleetingDemographicRule, and collaborative media written by fans RunningTheAsylum. It's easier with characters who have what is initially a NeverLiveItDown moment or a RememberWhenYouBlewUpASun in their past.
past. Beware; if an EnsembleDarkhorse ex-villain has had a long and well-developed redemption arc, [[SnapBack turning them]] [[StatusQuoIsGod evil again]] may [[FanonDiscontinuity anger]] [[InternetBackdraft a significant portion]] [[FanDisillusionment of the fanbase]], especially if it's done suddenly or for little reason.
22nd Nov '17 10:09:20 PM Nadim
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* Sir Lancelot in the third ''Film/NightAtTheMuseum'' film. He starts off on the heroes' side, [[spoiler: then pulls a FaceHeelTurn when he mistakes the tablet of Akmenrah for the {{Holy Grail}} and steals it endangering the lives of the exhibits including his own.]] However, [[spoiler: [[TomatoInTheMirror when he learns that he is just a wax statue]] and watches the exhibits dying out, he pulls a HeelFaceTurn and returns the tablet to Larry.]]
16th Nov '17 4:34:17 PM fairlyfelonious
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* [[MadGod Loki]] seems to have this issue as of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' . He spent the first part of his adult life fighting for Asgard, which, [[spoiler: [[DarkAndTroubledPast at that time, at least]]]], played the role of peacekeeper and protector of the nine realms. However, since [[GoMadFromTheRevelation going mad]] after [[InternalizedCategorism learning he is a Frost Giant]], he has [[BigBad mostly played the role of antagonist.]] In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', however, he [[spoiler: [[EnemyMine helped Thor save the universe]] and [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas avenged Frigga's death]]]], and during ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', the damage he helped cause[[spoiler: to the nine realms was mostly due to [[ItsAllAboutMe inaction as the ruler of Asgard]] [[IHaveNoSon and the actions he took to get back at his father]]]] rather than the [[EvilPlan deliberate malice that characterized his past appearances.]] However, during the course of the third film, he does [[spoiler: [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betray Thor again to no one's surprise]], but in the end decides to come back last minute to help save the citizens of Asgard.]] At one point, when Bruce Banner asks him if he still wants to kill everyone like he did the last time they met, he even admits that [[AxCrazy it changes from moment to moment.]]

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* [[MadGod Loki]] seems to have this issue problem as of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' . He spent the first part of his adult life fighting for Asgard, which, [[spoiler: [[DarkAndTroubledPast at that time, at least]]]], played the role of peacekeeper and protector of the nine realms. However, since [[GoMadFromTheRevelation going mad]] after [[InternalizedCategorism learning he is a Frost Giant]], he has [[BigBad mostly played the role of antagonist.]] In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', however, he [[spoiler: [[EnemyMine helped Thor save the universe]] and [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas avenged Frigga's death]]]], and during ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', the damage he helped cause[[spoiler: to the nine realms was mostly due to [[ItsAllAboutMe inaction as the ruler of Asgard]] [[IHaveNoSon and the actions he took to get back at his father]]]] rather than the [[EvilPlan deliberate malice that characterized his past appearances.]] However, during the course of the third film, he does [[spoiler: [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betray Thor again to no one's surprise]], but in the end decides to come back last minute to help save the citizens of Asgard.]] At one point, when Bruce Banner asks him if he still wants to kill everyone like he did the last time they met, he even admits that [[AxCrazy it changes from moment to moment.]]
16th Nov '17 4:32:00 PM fairlyfelonious
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* [[MadGod Loki]] seems to have this issue as of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' . He spent the first part of his adult life fighting for Asgard, which, [[spoiler: [[DarkAndTroubledPast at that time, at least]]]], played the role of peacekeeper and protector of the nine realms. However, since [[GoMadFromTheRevelation going mad]] after [[InternalizedCategorism learning he is a Frost Giant]], he has [[BigBad mostly played the role of antagonist.]] In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', however, he [[spoiler: [[EnemyMine helped Thor save the universe]] and [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas avenged Frigga's death]]]], and during ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', the damage he helped cause[[spoiler: to the nine realms was mostly due to [[ItsAllAboutMe inaction as the ruler of Asgard]] [[IHaveNoSon and the actions he took to get back at his father]]]] rather than the [[EvilPlan deliberate malice that characterized his past appearances.]] However, during the course of the third film, he does [[spoiler: [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betray Thor again to no one's surprise]], but in the end decides to come back last minute to help save the citizens of Asgard.]] At one point, when Bruce Banner asks him if he still wants to kill everyone like he did the last time they met, he even admits that [[AxCrazy it changes from moment to moment.]]]]

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* [[MadGod Loki]] seems to have this issue as of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' . He spent the first part of his adult life fighting for Asgard, which, [[spoiler: [[DarkAndTroubledPast at that time, at least]]]], played the role of peacekeeper and protector of the nine realms. However, since [[GoMadFromTheRevelation going mad]] after [[InternalizedCategorism learning he is a Frost Giant]], he has [[BigBad mostly played the role of antagonist.]] In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', however, he [[spoiler: [[EnemyMine helped Thor save the universe]] and [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas avenged Frigga's death]]]], and during ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', the damage he helped cause[[spoiler: to the nine realms was mostly due to [[ItsAllAboutMe inaction as the ruler of Asgard]] [[IHaveNoSon and the actions he took to get back at his father]]]] rather than the [[EvilPlan deliberate malice that characterized his past appearances.]] However, during the course of the third film, he does [[spoiler: [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betray Thor again to no one's surprise]], but in the end decides to come back last minute to help save the citizens of Asgard.]] At one point, when Bruce Banner asks him if he still wants to kill everyone like he did the last time they met, he even admits that [[AxCrazy it changes from moment to moment.]]]] ]]
16th Nov '17 3:27:22 PM fairlyfelonious
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* [[MadGod Loki]] seems to have this issue as of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' . He spent the first part of his adult life fighting for Asgard, which, [[spoiler: [[DarkAndTroubledPast at that time, at least]]]], played the role of peacekeeper and protector of the nine realms. However, since [[GoMadFromTheRevelation going mad]] after [[InternalizedCategorism learning he is a Frost Giant]], he has [[BigBad mostly played the role of antagonist.]] In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', however, he [[spoiler: [[EnemyMine helped Thor save the universe]] and [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas avenged Frigga's death]]]], and during ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', the damage he helped cause[[spoiler: to the nine realms was mostly due to [[ItsAllAboutMe inaction as the ruler of Asgard]] [[IHaveNoSon and the actions he took to get back at his father]]]] rather than the [[EvilPlan deliberate malice that characterized his past appearances.]] However, during the course of the third film, he does [[spoiler: [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betray Thor again to no one's surprise]], but in the end decides to come back last minute to help save the citizens of Asgard.]] At one point, when Bruce Banner asks him if he still wants to kill everyone like he did the last time they met, he even admits that [[AxCrazy it changes from moment to moment.]]]]
23rd Oct '17 8:21:22 AM Eily
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If it happens to a popular or well-developed character, the fans will stick with them; but this will, by necessity, drag the morality of the series to [[BlackAndGreyMorality one]] of the [[WhiteAndGrayMorality gray]]-[[GrayAndGreyMorality scales.]] If heroes and villains are switching sides so casually and frequently than it's impossible for true BlackAndWhiteMorality to exist.

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If it happens to a popular or well-developed character, the fans will stick with them; but this will, by necessity, drag the morality of the series to [[BlackAndGreyMorality one]] of the [[WhiteAndGrayMorality gray]]-[[GrayAndGreyMorality scales.]] If heroes and villains are switching sides so casually and frequently than then it's impossible for true BlackAndWhiteMorality to exist.
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