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* In the ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'' trilogy, God was the first being created out of nothing and [[spoiler:lied to all the angels that came after saying that he created them. He became senile and powerless over the eons, and was eventually killed by two children when they tried to release him from the prison in which Metatron was keeping him]].
* An untrue, in-universe view from ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''; held by Fëanor and his followers who absolutely detest Morgoth. However, when Morgoth murdered their King Finwe (Fëanor's father) and stole the Silmarils, the Valar failed to catch him. As a result of this, Fëanor, his sons, and their followers swear an oath that they will not rest until they and only they have retaken the Silmarils and that they will fight and kill ''anyone'' who tries to stop them, regardless of their allegiance. This was the icing on the cake as Melkor's earlier lies about the Valar's were elaborate enough to warp Feanor's perception of them, if not subtle enough to leave himself outside of suspicion.
** Sauron managed to twist Ar-Pharazôn's (the Mannish king of Númenor) mind and convince him that a campaign against Valinor was a good idea. Eru Iluvatar himself retaliated by destroying the whole continent of Númenor and killing ''millions'' of innocent humans.
* ''Literature/GoodOmens'' puts a marginally less religiously offensive spin on this trope: Satan and ''Metatron'' (the supreme angel) are both jerks that see humanity as being mere pawns in the greater war between Good and Evil, and both are quite ready to wipe out everyone on Earth when Armageddon goes down. God Himself, however, generally stays out of the picture [[spoiler:until the ending, where it's implied that He's been manipulating both the angels ''and'' the demons and probably has Humanity's best interest in mind. [[CosmicChessGame Or at the very least considers the apocalypse a lose condition]]]].
** Aziraphale accidently possesses a televangelist who is, at the moment, talking about the Rapture, and inadvertently reveals that Heaven has no plans whatsoever to teleport the faithful to safety before the End Times - it's all collateral damage as far as the angels care.
* An untrue, in-universe view from ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''; held by Fëanor and his followers who absolutely detest Morgoth. However, when Morgoth murdered their King Finwe (Fëanor's father) and stole the Silmarils, the Valar failed to catch him. As a result of this, Fëanor, his sons, and their followers swear an oath that they will not rest until they and only they have retaken the Silmarils and that they will fight and kill ''anyone'' who tries to stop them, regardless of their allegiance. This was the icing on the cake as Melkor's earlier lies about the Valar's were elaborate enough to warp Feanor's perception of them, if not subtle enough to leave himself outside of suspicion.
** Sauron managed to twist Ar-Pharazôn's (the Mannish king of Númenor) mind and convince him that a campaign against Valinor was a good idea. Eru Iluvatar himself retaliated by destroying the whole continent of Númenor and killing ''millions'' of innocent humans.
* ''Literature/GoodOmens'' puts a marginally less religiously offensive spin on this trope: Satan and ''Metatron'' (the supreme angel) are both jerks that see humanity as being mere pawns in the greater war between Good and Evil, and both are quite ready to wipe out everyone on Earth when Armageddon goes down. God Himself, however, generally stays out of the picture [[spoiler:until the ending, where it's implied that He's been manipulating both the angels ''and'' the demons and probably has Humanity's best interest in mind. [[CosmicChessGame Or at the very least considers the apocalypse a lose condition]]]].
** Aziraphale accidently possesses a televangelist who is, at the moment, talking about the Rapture, and inadvertently reveals that Heaven has no plans whatsoever to teleport the faithful to safety before the End Times - it's all collateral damage as far as the angels care.
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* In ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'', we're ''supposed'' to think that the gods are good and the Titans are bad, but YMMV on that, since most of the time it seems like both of them are just jerks. The Titans are overall portrayed as the worse of the two regarding humanity as disposable pawns and entertainment. The Olympians can be helpful and generally promote civilization, but like the myths are incredibly arrogant and hate being embarrassed, shown up by mortals, or putting up with things that piss them off. This leads to often taking out their frustrations on demigods or mortals. This is justified by the fact that this is [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Greek Mythology]], where the gods are notorious for being an astonishing variety of jerkasses with a notable inability to keep it in their pants.
* The third book of the follow-up series ''Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus'' outright confirms this. The demigods show disgust that Hercules was punished for Hera inflicting him with madness and Achelous the River God admits Olympians are rarely punished for their crimes. Later, after being jerked around by the gods one too many times Percy thinks to himself that the Olympians are ''marginally'' better than the Titans and giants, but are neither good nor wise.
* The third book of the follow-up series ''Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus'' outright confirms this. The demigods show disgust that Hercules was punished for Hera inflicting him with madness and Achelous the River God admits Olympians are rarely punished for their crimes. Later, after being jerked around by the gods one too many times Percy thinks to himself that the Olympians are ''marginally'' better than the Titans and giants, but are neither good nor wise.
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* In ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'', we're ''supposed'' to think that ''Literature/TheBeginningAfterTheEnd'', the gods are good main conflict is instigated by the evil Agrona Vritra and the Titans are bad, but YMMV on that, since most Vritra Clan against the rest of the time it seems like both of them Asuras who are just jerks. The Titans headed by Kezess Indrath and the Indrath Clan, who are overall portrayed pitting the inhabitants of Alacrya and Dicathen respectively against each other in a ProxyWar. However, as the worse war drags on in favor of the two regarding humanity as disposable pawns Vritra, [[spoiler:the Indrath Clan and entertainment. The Olympians can be helpful and generally promote civilization, but like the myths rest of the Asuras prove to be a bunch of WellIntentionedExtremist KnightTemplar[=s=] who are incredibly arrogant and hate being embarrassed, shown up by mortals, or putting up with things that piss them off. This leads to often taking out no better than their frustrations on demigods or enemies when it comes to their treatment of mortals. This Case in point, one of the turning points of the war happens when Kezess orders his subordinates to destroy the Elven Kingdom of Elenoir, which has been taken over by the Vritra and their Alacryan underlings, without any regard to who got caught in the crossfire. Later on, the Asuras offer the Dicathean resistance a set of new artifacts that would supposedly grant them the power to defeat the Vritra, only for it to be revealed that said artifacts would in fact enslave their wielders to the Indrath Clan's will. It is justified also revealed that Kezess orchestrated the genocide of the Djinn race in order to attain knowledge that he wanted to use for the greater good]].
* In the ''Literature/ChristCloneTrilogy'' the Christian God unleashes a series of horrors upon the Earth for the unspeakable crime of... a few people believing in certain New Age trends, while TheAntiChrist successfully deceives the world by harnessing humanity's outrage to God performing atrocities all for some apparent power trip he gets out of making God sad for having to damn people to eternal damnation. Even early in the series God kills or torments millions of people in various horrific supernatural ways indiscriminately, including newborn babies and children, for no readily apparent reason. The first thing He does is detonate all the nuclear weapons in Russia in retaliation for Russia occupying Israel. And with Christianity being true, that means that all those people that were killed are now in Hell suffering for eternity. The only excuse given: "Oh well, they had a choice. God feels really bad about it, but His hand was forced. In fact He's the real victim here."
* Wendy Alec's ''Chronicle of Brothers'' series, in which the biblical story is re-written as adventure fiction. Lucifer, Son of God, comes across as a spoilt petulant brat and throws Teddy in a corner in a big way, on learning that Daddy has new siblings (namely the human race) on the way. Like any formerly only child told a baby brother is coming, Lucifer throws a tantrum and runs away from Home (Heaven), taking a third of the angelic race with him. God is every bit as much a {{jerkass}} for letting him go, despite the fact that thisis [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Greek Mythology]], where opens up Hell as a post-mortem destination for most of humanity and virtually all the gods are notorious fallen angels. And for being an astonishing variety all his grandiose promises of jerkasses with a notable inability to keep it in supplanting God and Christos and whupping their pants.
* The third book ofdivine arses, every time there is a showdown Luce inevitably gets creamed and despite his intelligence ''does not learn from events'' - there is no match, God always wins. So God is an asshole for not managing the follow-up series ''Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus'' outright confirms this. The demigods show disgust that Hercules was punished for Hera inflicting him with madness and Achelous the River God admits Olympians are rarely punished for their crimes. Later, after being jerked around by the gods one too many times Percy thinks to himself that the Olympians are ''marginally'' situation better than and letting it happen; the Titans and giants, but are neither good nor wise.Devil is a dick for not realizing he can never win.
* In the ''Literature/ChristCloneTrilogy'' the Christian God unleashes a series of horrors upon the Earth for the unspeakable crime of... a few people believing in certain New Age trends, while TheAntiChrist successfully deceives the world by harnessing humanity's outrage to God performing atrocities all for some apparent power trip he gets out of making God sad for having to damn people to eternal damnation. Even early in the series God kills or torments millions of people in various horrific supernatural ways indiscriminately, including newborn babies and children, for no readily apparent reason. The first thing He does is detonate all the nuclear weapons in Russia in retaliation for Russia occupying Israel. And with Christianity being true, that means that all those people that were killed are now in Hell suffering for eternity. The only excuse given: "Oh well, they had a choice. God feels really bad about it, but His hand was forced. In fact He's the real victim here."
* Wendy Alec's ''Chronicle of Brothers'' series, in which the biblical story is re-written as adventure fiction. Lucifer, Son of God, comes across as a spoilt petulant brat and throws Teddy in a corner in a big way, on learning that Daddy has new siblings (namely the human race) on the way. Like any formerly only child told a baby brother is coming, Lucifer throws a tantrum and runs away from Home (Heaven), taking a third of the angelic race with him. God is every bit as much a {{jerkass}} for letting him go, despite the fact that this
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* According to ''Literature/{{Thirsty}}'', God loves humans, and only humans. It doesn't matter if you used to be human. It doesn't matter if you desperately wish you were human. If you're a monster of any kind, you're going to burn in Hell forever. Demons, on the other hand, are exactly as sociopathic as you'd expect them to be.
* Memnoch the Devil in ''Literature/TheVampireChronicles''. See the page quote above. However, since all we have is Memnoch's word that all the events happened as he shows them, it could be a case of UnreliableNarrator.
* In Creator/SimonRGreen's ''Literature/{{Nightside}}'' novels, one book has the forces of heaven and hell duking it out over the same thing, and it's clear that neither side cares in the least how much collateral damage they cause.
* Memnoch the Devil in ''Literature/TheVampireChronicles''. See the page quote above. However, since all we have is Memnoch's word that all the events happened as he shows them, it could be a case of UnreliableNarrator.
* In Creator/SimonRGreen's ''Literature/{{Nightside}}'' novels, one book has the forces of heaven and hell duking it out over the same thing, and it's clear that neither side cares in the least how much collateral damage they cause.
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* Wendy Alec's ''Chronicle of Brothers'' series, in which the biblical story is re-written as adventure fiction. Lucifer, Son of God, comes across as a spoilt petulant brat and throws Teddy in a corner in a big way, on learning that Daddy has new siblings (namely the human race) on the way. Like any formerly only child told a baby brother is coming, Lucifer throws a tantrum and runs away from Home (Heaven), taking a third of the angelic race with him. God is every bit as much a {{jerkass}} for letting him go, despite the fact that this opens up Hell as a post-mortem destination for most of humanity and virtually all the fallen angels. And for all his grandiose promises of supplanting God and Christos and whupping their divine arses, every time there is a showdown Luce inevitably gets creamed and despite his intelligence ''does not learn from events'' - there is no match, God always wins. So God is an asshole for not managing the situation better and letting it happen; the Devil is a dick for not realizing he can never win.
* The religion of R'hllor in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has heavy shades of this. According to the believers of R'hllor, there is one eponymous good god and one evil anti-god known as the Great Other. However, the priests of R'hllor are far from being a pure force of good: their "Red God" commands them to burn the heretic and purge the unclean by all means necessary, and the miracles they perform are pretty sinister. As for the Great Other, if he exists, he is behind a race of ice demons known as the Others, who are the greatest threat to humanity in this world.
* The religion of R'hllor in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has heavy shades of this. According to the believers of R'hllor, there is one eponymous good god and one evil anti-god known as the Great Other. However, the priests of R'hllor are far from being a pure force of good: their "Red God" commands them to burn the heretic and purge the unclean by all means necessary, and the miracles they perform are pretty sinister. As for the Great Other, if he exists, he is behind a race of ice demons known as the Others, who are the greatest threat to humanity in this world.
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* Wendy Alec's ''Chronicle ''Literature/GoodOmens'' puts a marginally less religiously offensive spin on this trope: Satan and ''Metatron'' (the supreme angel) are both jerks that see humanity as being mere pawns in the greater war between Good and Evil, and both are quite ready to wipe out everyone on Earth when Armageddon goes down. God Himself, however, generally stays out of Brothers'' series, the picture [[spoiler:until the ending, where it's implied that He's been manipulating both the angels ''and'' the demons and probably has Humanity's best interest in mind. [[CosmicChessGame Or at the very least considers the apocalypse a lose condition]]]].
** Aziraphale accidently possesses a televangelist who is, at the moment, talking about the Rapture, and inadvertently reveals that Heaven has no plans whatsoever to teleport the faithful to safety before the End Times - it's all collateral damage as far as the angels care.
* In the ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'' trilogy, God was the first being created out of nothing and [[spoiler:lied to all the angels that came after saying that he created them. He became senile and powerless over the eons, and was eventually killed by two children when they tried to release him from the prison in whichthe biblical story is re-written as adventure fiction. Lucifer, Son of God, comes across as a spoilt petulant brat and throws Teddy in a corner in a big way, on learning Metatron was keeping him]].
* ''Literature/JohannesCabal'': The title character claims thatDaddy has new siblings (namely the human race) on the way. Like any formerly only child told a baby brother Satan is coming, Lucifer throws a tantrum and runs away from Home (Heaven), taking a third of the angelic race with him. "bored sadist", while God is so obsessed with order and neatness that he inflicts DeathOfPersonality on every bit as much a {{jerkass}} for letting him go, despite the fact soul that this opens up Hell as a post-mortem destination for most of humanity and virtually all enters Heaven. This is why Johannes feels driven to discover the fallen angels. And for all his grandiose promises secret of supplanting God and Christos and whupping their divine arses, every time there is a showdown Luce inevitably gets creamed and despite his intelligence ''does not learn from events'' - there is no match, God always wins. So God is an asshole for not managing the situation better and letting it happen; the Devil is a dick for not realizing he can never win.
* The religion of R'hllor in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has heavy shades of this. According to the believers of R'hllor, there is one eponymous good god and one evil anti-god known as the Great Other. However, the priests of R'hllor are far from being a pure force of good: their "Red God" commands them to burn the heretic and purge the unclean by all means necessary, and the miracles they perform are pretty sinister. As for the Great Other, if he exists, he is behind a race of ice demons known as the Others, who are the greatest threat to humanity in this world.immortality.
** Aziraphale accidently possesses a televangelist who is, at the moment, talking about the Rapture, and inadvertently reveals that Heaven has no plans whatsoever to teleport the faithful to safety before the End Times - it's all collateral damage as far as the angels care.
* In the ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'' trilogy, God was the first being created out of nothing and [[spoiler:lied to all the angels that came after saying that he created them. He became senile and powerless over the eons, and was eventually killed by two children when they tried to release him from the prison in which
* ''Literature/JohannesCabal'': The title character claims that
* The religion of R'hllor in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has heavy shades of this. According to the believers of R'hllor, there is one eponymous good god and one evil anti-god known as the Great Other. However, the priests of R'hllor are far from being a pure force of good: their "Red God" commands them to burn the heretic and purge the unclean by all means necessary, and the miracles they perform are pretty sinister. As for the Great Other, if he exists, he is behind a race of ice demons known as the Others, who are the greatest threat to humanity in this world.
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* ''Literature/JohannesCabal'': The title character claims that Satan is a "bored sadist", while God is so obsessed with order and neatness that he inflicts DeathOfPersonality on every soul that enters Heaven. This is why Johannes feels driven to discover the secret of immortality.
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* ''Literature/JohannesCabal'': The title character claims In Creator/SimonRGreen's ''Literature/{{Nightside}}'' novels, one book has the forces of heaven and hell duking it out over the same thing, and it's clear that Satan is a "bored sadist", while God is so obsessed neither side cares in the least how much collateral damage they cause.
* In ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'', we're ''supposed'' to think that the gods are good and the Titans are bad, but YMMV on that, since most of the time it seems like both of them are just jerks. The Titans are overall portrayed as the worse of the two regarding humanity as disposable pawns and entertainment. The Olympians can be helpful and generally promote civilization, but like the myths are incredibly arrogant and hate being embarrassed, shown up by mortals, or putting up withorder and neatness things that he inflicts DeathOfPersonality piss them off. This leads to often taking out their frustrations on every soul that enters Heaven. demigods or mortals. This is why Johannes feels driven to discover justified by the secret fact that this is [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Greek Mythology]], where the gods are notorious for being an astonishing variety of immortality.jerkasses with a notable inability to keep it in their pants.
** The third book of the follow-up series ''Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus'' outright confirms this. The demigods show disgust that Hercules was punished for Hera inflicting him with madness and Achelous the River God admits Olympians are rarely punished for their crimes. Later, after being jerked around by the gods one too many times Percy thinks to himself that the Olympians are ''marginally'' better than the Titans and giants, but are neither good nor wise.
* In ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'', we're ''supposed'' to think that the gods are good and the Titans are bad, but YMMV on that, since most of the time it seems like both of them are just jerks. The Titans are overall portrayed as the worse of the two regarding humanity as disposable pawns and entertainment. The Olympians can be helpful and generally promote civilization, but like the myths are incredibly arrogant and hate being embarrassed, shown up by mortals, or putting up with
** The third book of the follow-up series ''Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus'' outright confirms this. The demigods show disgust that Hercules was punished for Hera inflicting him with madness and Achelous the River God admits Olympians are rarely punished for their crimes. Later, after being jerked around by the gods one too many times Percy thinks to himself that the Olympians are ''marginally'' better than the Titans and giants, but are neither good nor wise.
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* In the Literature/ChristCloneTrilogy the Christian God unleashes a series of horrors upon the Earth for the unspeakable crime of... a few people believing in certain New Age trends, while TheAntiChrist successfully deceives the world by harnessing humanity's outrage to God performing atrocities all for some apparent power trip he gets out of making God sad for having to damn people to eternal damnation. Even early in the series God kills or torments millions of people in various horrific supernatural ways indiscriminately, including newborn babies and children, for no readily apparent reason. The first thing He does is detonate all the nuclear weapons in Russia in retaliation for Russia occupying Israel. And with Christianity being true, that means that all those people that were killed are now in Hell suffering for eternity. The only excuse given: "Oh well, they had a choice. God feels really bad about it, but His hand was forced. In fact He's the real victim here."
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* In An untrue, in-universe view from ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''; held by Fëanor and his followers who absolutely detest Morgoth. However, when Morgoth murdered their King Finwe (Fëanor's father) and stole the Literature/ChristCloneTrilogy Silmarils, the Christian God unleashes Valar failed to catch him. As a series result of horrors upon this, Fëanor, his sons, and their followers swear an oath that they will not rest until they and only they have retaken the Earth Silmarils and that they will fight and kill ''anyone'' who tries to stop them, regardless of their allegiance. This was the icing on the cake as Melkor's earlier lies about the Valar's were elaborate enough to warp Feanor's perception of them, if not subtle enough to leave himself outside of suspicion.
** Sauron managed to twist Ar-Pharazôn's (the Mannish king of Númenor) mind and convince him that a campaign against Valinor was a good idea. Eru Iluvatar himself retaliated by destroying the whole continent of Númenor and killing ''millions'' of innocent humans.
* The religion of R'hllor in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has heavy shades of this. According to the believers of R'hllor, there is one eponymous good god and one evil anti-god known as the Great Other. However, the priests of R'hllor are far from being a pure force of good: their "Red God" commands them to burn the heretic and purge the unclean by all means necessary, and the miracles they perform are pretty sinister. As for theunspeakable crime of... Great Other, if he exists, he is behind a few people believing in certain New Age trends, while TheAntiChrist successfully deceives race of ice demons known as the world by harnessing humanity's outrage to God performing atrocities all for some apparent power trip he gets out of making God sad for having to damn people to eternal damnation. Even early in Others, who are the series God kills or torments millions of people greatest threat to humanity in various horrific supernatural ways indiscriminately, including newborn babies and children, for no readily apparent reason. The first thing He does is detonate all the nuclear weapons in Russia in retaliation for Russia occupying Israel. And with Christianity being true, that means that all those people that were killed are now in Hell suffering for eternity. The only excuse given: "Oh well, they had a choice. God feels really bad about it, but His hand was forced. In fact He's the real victim here."this world.
** Sauron managed to twist Ar-Pharazôn's (the Mannish king of Númenor) mind and convince him that a campaign against Valinor was a good idea. Eru Iluvatar himself retaliated by destroying the whole continent of Númenor and killing ''millions'' of innocent humans.
* The religion of R'hllor in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has heavy shades of this. According to the believers of R'hllor, there is one eponymous good god and one evil anti-god known as the Great Other. However, the priests of R'hllor are far from being a pure force of good: their "Red God" commands them to burn the heretic and purge the unclean by all means necessary, and the miracles they perform are pretty sinister. As for the
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* According to ''Literature/{{Thirsty}}'', God loves humans, and only humans. It doesn't matter if you used to be human. It doesn't matter if you desperately wish you were human. If you're a monster of any kind, you're going to burn in Hell forever. Demons, on the other hand, are exactly as sociopathic as you'd expect them to be.
* Memnoch the Devil in ''Literature/TheVampireChronicles''. See the page quote above. However, since all we have is Memnoch's word that all the events happened as he shows them, it could be a case of UnreliableNarrator.
* Memnoch the Devil in ''Literature/TheVampireChronicles''. See the page quote above. However, since all we have is Memnoch's word that all the events happened as he shows them, it could be a case of UnreliableNarrator.
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* ''Webcomic/HellgasmSlaughter'': God created and abandoned the universe for the sole purpose of growing the perfect gullible slave race. Satan is in fact ''Lilith'', and contrary to the literary canon, she ''ate Adam and Eve'' so she could create demonkind from their corpses and usurp God.
** After 20 chapters of watching the sickest shit Hell and Humanity can inflict on everything they can get their greasy palms on, Chapter 21 opens with Heaven ''violently torturing the virtuous''. It's enough to make ''devils'' gape in shock.
** After 20 chapters of watching the sickest shit Hell and Humanity can inflict on everything they can get their greasy palms on, Chapter 21 opens with Heaven ''violently torturing the virtuous''. It's enough to make ''devils'' gape in shock.
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* ''Webcomic/HellgasmSlaughter'': God created and abandoned the universe for the sole purpose of growing the perfect gullible slave race. race to enslave. Satan is in fact ''Lilith'', and contrary to the literary canon, she ''ate Adam and Eve'' so she could create demonkind from their corpses and (''very'' violently) usurp God.
** After20 11 chapters of watching the sickest shit Hell and Humanity can inflict on everything they can get their greasy palms on, Chapter 21 12 opens with Heaven ''violently torturing the virtuous''. It's enough to make ''devils'' gape in shock.
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* ''Webcomic/HellgasmSlaughter'': God created and abandoned the universe for the sole purpose of finding the perfect gullible slaves for Him to lord over. Satan is in fact ''Lilith'', and contrary to the literary canon, she ''ate Adam and Eve'' so she could create demonkind from their corpses and usurp God.
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* ''Webcomic/HellgasmSlaughter'': God created and abandoned the universe for the sole purpose of finding growing the perfect gullible slaves for Him to lord over. slave race. Satan is in fact ''Lilith'', and contrary to the literary canon, she ''ate Adam and Eve'' so she could create demonkind from their corpses and usurp God.God.
** After 20 chapters of watching the sickest shit Hell and Humanity can inflict on everything they can get their greasy palms on, Chapter 21 opens with Heaven ''violently torturing the virtuous''. It's enough to make ''devils'' gape in shock.
** After 20 chapters of watching the sickest shit Hell and Humanity can inflict on everything they can get their greasy palms on, Chapter 21 opens with Heaven ''violently torturing the virtuous''. It's enough to make ''devils'' gape in shock.
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* Inverted in ''LightNovel/HighschoolDXD'', in which both God and the Four Devils are good, if [[GodIsFlawed flawed]]. The main characters are all devils, and the main romantic interest, Rias, is in fact the acting Satan's younger sister. However, they are all {{noble demon}}s (albeit some rather [[HornyDevils perverted]]), and the series takes great pains to show that demons, angels, {{fallen angel}}s, and simple humans are all really no different from each other. The only thing that separates the three former races from the latter is that they have magic powers, and the only thing that separates them from each other is how they go about granting humans' desires: Angels do it for free while demons and fallen angels request payment for their help, but nothing on the level of selling their soul or the like; normally, a simple monetary payment will suffice. Some demons are shown to be as nice and civil as can be, while angels prove that they can be huge dickheads if they wish, as well. In fact, the only reason the three races even fought in the first place was because God was worried the demons might decide to rise up against Him, so decided to strike first, using Literature/TheBible as a propaganda piece to rile the angels into war.
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* Inverted in ''LightNovel/HighschoolDXD'', in which both God and the Four Devils are good, if [[GodIsFlawed flawed]]. The main characters are all devils, and the main romantic interest, Rias, is in fact the acting Satan's younger sister. However, they are all {{noble demon}}s (albeit some rather [[HornyDevils perverted]]), perverted), and the series takes great pains to show that demons, angels, {{fallen angel}}s, and simple humans are all really no different from each other. The only thing that separates the three former races from the latter is that they have magic powers, and the only thing that separates them from each other is how they go about granting humans' desires: Angels do it for free while demons and fallen angels request payment for their help, but nothing on the level of selling their soul or the like; normally, a simple monetary payment will suffice. Some demons are shown to be as nice and civil as can be, while angels prove that they can be huge dickheads if they wish, as well. In fact, the only reason the three races even fought in the first place was because God was worried the demons might decide to rise up against Him, so decided to strike first, using Literature/TheBible as a propaganda piece to rile the angels into war.
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* ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}}'': The Demons and their Mazoku underlings are without any doubt evil, out to destroy everything, but the Dragons, supposedly the good guys under the gods, have no qualms about committing genocide or even sacrificing their own for "peace", pushing them just as far on the jerkiness scale. [[spoiler:Darkstar Dubranidgdu is an OmnicidalManiac merged from both the highest good and evil of the Darkstar plane, both agreed to merge, just so they can go all out to destroy everything to end their eternal war]].
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* ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}}'': ''Literature/{{Slayers}}'': The Demons and their Mazoku underlings are without any doubt evil, out to destroy everything, but the Dragons, supposedly the good guys under the gods, have no qualms about committing genocide or even sacrificing their own for "peace", pushing them just as far on the jerkiness scale. [[spoiler:Darkstar Dubranidgdu is an OmnicidalManiac merged from both the highest good and evil of the Darkstar plane, both agreed to merge, just so they can go all out to destroy everything to end their eternal war]].
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* This is true of ''Comicbook/{{Hellblazer}}'' in general -- John Constantine is a spiritual anarchist who finds both sides repulsive and stands for common humanity against any sort of supernatural interference or exploitation.
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* ''LightNovel/RosePrincessHellrage'': The Greater God is an extremely deceptive sot who uses liberal amounts of LoopholeAbuse and ExactWords to get away with making grand promises and failing to deliver, while, the God of Evil is a CardCarryingVillain who usually takes it as high praise when people blame her for all the suffering they go through.
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* ''LightNovel/RosePrincessHellrage'': ''Literature/RosePrincessHellrage'': The Greater God is an extremely deceptive sot who uses liberal amounts of LoopholeAbuse and ExactWords to get away with making grand promises and failing to deliver, while, the God of Evil is a CardCarryingVillain who usually takes it as high praise when people blame her for all the suffering they go through.
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* [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]] in ''LightNovel/TorturePrincessFremdTorturchen''. Early on, Elisabeth describes God as the force that creates the world, and Diablo the force that destroys it. Volume 4 reveals that this is the ''only'' thing either of them is: they're literally just natural forces that the Church's mythology has incorrectly personified, and neither one is actually good ''or'' evil. They simply ''exist''.
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* [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]] in ''LightNovel/TorturePrincessFremdTorturchen''.''Literature/TorturePrincessFremdTorturchen''. Early on, Elisabeth describes God as the force that creates the world, and Diablo the force that destroys it. Volume 4 reveals that this is the ''only'' thing either of them is: they're literally just natural forces that the Church's mythology has incorrectly personified, and neither one is actually good ''or'' evil. They simply ''exist''.
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** Hell. Lucifer is an [[MoreThanMindControl extremely]] [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] [[TheChessmaster bastard]], YHVH is an utterly [[LackOfEmpathy amoral]] [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans tyrant]], Philemon [[GodsHandsAreTied won't do jack in the face of the Apocalypse]] and abuses his position as the PowersThatBe to fulfill his agenda, and [[MadeOfEvil Nyarlathotep]] is, well... [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] '''''[[TheHeartless Nyar]][[EldritchAbomination lat]][[AsLongAsThereIsEvil hotep]]'''''. No matter where you look, ''all'' extremes in the alignment axis ''suck''. [[FridgeBrilliance Which makes sense when you really think about it]].
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** Hell. Lucifer is an [[MoreThanMindControl extremely]] [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] {{manipulative|Bastard}} [[TheChessmaster bastard]], YHVH is an utterly [[LackOfEmpathy amoral]] [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans tyrant]], Philemon [[GodsHandsAreTied won't do jack in the face of the Apocalypse]] and abuses his position as the PowersThatBe to fulfill his agenda, and [[MadeOfEvil Nyarlathotep]] is, well... [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] '''''[[TheHeartless Nyar]][[EldritchAbomination lat]][[AsLongAsThereIsEvil hotep]]'''''. No matter where you look, ''all'' extremes in the alignment axis ''suck''. [[FridgeBrilliance Which makes sense when you really think about it]].
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* Though ''WebComic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' has [[NegativeContinuity no consistent explanation]] of what God and the devil are like, God is frequently portrayed as clueless or sadistic, whereas the devil does pretty standard devil stuff, although he might come across as a PunchClockVillain. One strip has the devil burying fake fossils and God coming over to say that He's trolling the humans much better with quantum mechanics.
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* Though ''WebComic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' ''Webcomic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' has [[NegativeContinuity no consistent explanation]] of what God and the devil are like, God is frequently portrayed as clueless or sadistic, whereas the devil does pretty standard devil stuff, although he might come across as a PunchClockVillain. One strip has the devil burying fake fossils and God coming over to say that He's trolling the humans much better with quantum mechanics.
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* ''WebComic/ItHurts'': God and Satan are both massive jerks, what with Satan jerking Pasqualo around every chance he gets and God [[spoiler:sending Pasqualo on a SnipeHunt over something Pasqualo did in a ''past life'']] but that's not saying much when ''everyone'' in the universe is a jerk [[spoiler:except the forces of nature more powerful than God, Harmony and Chaos]]. They've also had their [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold heart of gold moments]], such as Satan lending Pasqualo his clothes and God giving Pasqualo a pep talk before [[spoiler:the SnipeHunt]]. It's also implied God and Satan are actually ''lovers''.
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* ''WebComic/ItHurts'': ''Webcomic/ItHurts'': God and Satan are both massive jerks, what with Satan jerking Pasqualo around every chance he gets and God [[spoiler:sending Pasqualo on a SnipeHunt over something Pasqualo did in a ''past life'']] but that's not saying much when ''everyone'' in the universe is a jerk [[spoiler:except the forces of nature more powerful than God, Harmony and Chaos]]. They've also had their [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold heart of gold moments]], such as Satan lending Pasqualo his clothes and God giving Pasqualo a pep talk before [[spoiler:the SnipeHunt]]. It's also implied God and Satan are actually ''lovers''.
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** The PlayerCharacter, no matter who they are, also starts to have this attitude towards the end of the "Reaper of Souls" expansion pack. Reading their journals seems to imply that the nephalem are starting to think of both angels and demons as monsters, as they seem to be more interested in 'winning the Eternal Conflict', in order to attain domination on all realms, and neither side seems to truly care about the all the collateral damage. The ending, after the player has killed Maltheal, also has Tyrael worrying that the nephalem could be tempted to [[KillEmAll go after both angels and demons]], and could potentially doom everyone.
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** The PlayerCharacter, no matter who they are, also starts to have this attitude towards the end of the "Reaper of Souls" expansion pack. Reading their journals seems to imply that the nephalem are starting to think of both angels and demons as monsters, as they seem to be more interested in 'winning the Eternal Conflict', in order to attain domination on all realms, and neither side seems to truly care about the all the collateral damage. The ending, after the player has killed Maltheal, also has Tyrael worrying that the nephalem could be tempted to [[KillEmAll go after both angels and demons]], demons, and could potentially doom everyone.
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* ''VideoGame/DoomEternal'' has the [[AngelicAliens Makyrs of Urdak]] who are actively colluding with TheLegionsOfHell to invade Earth. [[spoiler:Davoth, the Overlord of Hell, was the original God, but he became [[SanitySlippage obsessed with mass-producing immortality and grew unhinged]] to the point that the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Makyrs feared his descent into madness and overthrew him]], electing one among them as the new Father. [[WrittenByTheWinners Half of ancient mythology is built on a lie uplifting the current Father]], while Davoth is an OmnicidalManiac who wants to preserve demons by exterminating everything with a soul]].
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* ''VideoGame/DoomEternal'' has the [[AngelicAliens Makyrs of Urdak]] who are actively colluding with TheLegionsOfHell to invade Earth. Earth, thanks to their leader, the Khan Maykr, having made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with Hell]] for the Argent Energy that the Maykrs need to stay alive and stave off Transfiguration -- energy that turns out to be [[spoiler:[[PoweredByAForsakenChild made from the souls of everyone who the Khan hands over to the demons]]]]. In addition, in the Ancient Gods [=DLCs=], it's ultimately revealed that [[spoiler:Davoth, the Overlord of Hell, was the original God, but he became [[SanitySlippage obsessed with mass-producing immortality and grew unhinged]] to the point that the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Makyrs feared his descent into madness and overthrew him]], electing one among them as the new Father. [[WrittenByTheWinners Half of ancient mythology is built on a lie uplifting the current Father]], while Davoth is an OmnicidalManiac who wants to preserve demons by exterminating everything with a soul]].
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* In the indie [=FPS=] ''Scathe'', heavily inspired by ''VideoGame/Doom2016'', your boss the Divine Creator and your enemy Sacriligious, the ruler of Hell, are brothers and pretty much indistinguishable from each other except that one is blue and the other is red. Both are bloodthirsty jerkasses who speak in almost the exact same throaty Heavy Metal demon voice. [[spoiler: The best ending to the game involves your character telling Sacriligious to go screw himself when he offers you a WeCanRuleTogether, then going back and killing the Divine Creator for being such an asshole.]]
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** Then there's all the gods of other religions, most of which are JerkassGods who don't care either way as long as it doesn't infringe on their territory, and actively [[HumanSacrifice torture and kill humans for sacrifice to keep their powers and immortality functioning]]. Lucifer himself wipes out most of them as they're convening to discuss how to stop the Apocalypse, in a transparent case of EvilVersusOblivion. [[spoiler: The final season reveals that ALL Pagan Gods were in fact created by the real God, specifically so they could be JerkassGods and torment humanity so [[FakeUltimateHero God Himself]] [[EngineeredHeroics can come off as the]] BigGood and ultimately steal their worshippers via Christianization; the reason for this was because God originally didn't have an established cult or presence, so humans imagined up fictional gods of our own to worship, [[AttentionWhore and that pissed Chuck off.]] Most Pagan Gods simply don't remember their true origins and purpose, and [[BelievingTheirOwnLies believe that they were the original creators/rulers of Earth before God and his Angels came along]].]]
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** Then there's all the gods of other religions, most of which are JerkassGods who don't care either way as long as it doesn't infringe on their territory, and actively [[HumanSacrifice torture and kill humans for sacrifice to keep their powers and immortality functioning]]. Lucifer himself wipes out most of them as they're convening to discuss how to stop the Apocalypse, in a transparent case of EvilVersusOblivion. [[spoiler: The final season reveals that ALL Pagan Gods were in fact created by the real God, specifically so they could be JerkassGods and torment humanity so [[FakeUltimateHero God Himself]] [[EngineeredHeroics can come off as the]] BigGood and ultimately steal their worshippers via Christianization; the reason for this was because God originally didn't have an established cult or presence, so humans imagined up fictional gods of our own to worship, [[AttentionWhore and that pissed Chuck off.]] [[TheFogOfAges Most Pagan Gods simply don't remember their true origins and purpose, and purpose,]] [[BelievingTheirOwnLies and believe that they were the original creators/rulers of Earth before God and his Angels came along]].]]
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** Then there's all the gods of other religions, most of which are JerkassGods who don't care either way as long as it doesn't infringe on their territory. Lucifer himself wipes out most of them as they're convening to discuss how to stop the Apocalypse, in a transparent case of EvilVersusOblivion.
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** Then there's all the gods of other religions, most of which are JerkassGods who don't care either way as long as it doesn't infringe on their territory.territory, and actively [[HumanSacrifice torture and kill humans for sacrifice to keep their powers and immortality functioning]]. Lucifer himself wipes out most of them as they're convening to discuss how to stop the Apocalypse, in a transparent case of EvilVersusOblivion. [[spoiler: The final season reveals that ALL Pagan Gods were in fact created by the real God, specifically so they could be JerkassGods and torment humanity so [[FakeUltimateHero God Himself]] [[EngineeredHeroics can come off as the]] BigGood and ultimately steal their worshippers via Christianization; the reason for this was because God originally didn't have an established cult or presence, so humans imagined up fictional gods of our own to worship, [[AttentionWhore and that pissed Chuck off.]] Most Pagan Gods simply don't remember their true origins and purpose, and [[BelievingTheirOwnLies believe that they were the original creators/rulers of Earth before God and his Angels came along]].]]
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* In ''Film/{{Constantine}}'', the major angels and demons subscribe to neutrality, but the lesser ones don't. Humanity is left to sink or swim on its own, while caught between what is effectively a supernatural Cold War.
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* In ''Film/{{Constantine}}'', ''Film/Constantine2005'', the major angels and demons subscribe to neutrality, but the lesser ones don't. Humanity is left to sink or swim on its own, while caught between what is effectively a supernatural Cold War.
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* In ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}}'', the Demons and their Mazoku underlings are without any doubt evil, out to destroy everything, but the Dragons, supposedly the good guys under the gods, have no qualms about committing genocide or even sacrificing their own for "peace", pushing them just as far on the jerkiness scale. And even put UpToEleven with [[spoiler:Darkstar Dubranidgdu who is an OmnicidalManiac merged from both the highest good and evil of the Darkstar plane, both agreed to merge, just so they can go all out to destroy everything to end their eternal war]].
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* In ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}}'', the ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}}'': The Demons and their Mazoku underlings are without any doubt evil, out to destroy everything, but the Dragons, supposedly the good guys under the gods, have no qualms about committing genocide or even sacrificing their own for "peace", pushing them just as far on the jerkiness scale. And even put UpToEleven with [[spoiler:Darkstar Dubranidgdu who is an OmnicidalManiac merged from both the highest good and evil of the Darkstar plane, both agreed to merge, just so they can go all out to destroy everything to end their eternal war]].
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* In ''Webcomic/ImTheGrimReaper'', Satan is a bored, sociopathic sadist. God hasn't been shown to be actively malicious, but it is implied that he has [[BlueAndOrangeMorality difficulty relating to his creations]], resulting in a certain LackOfEmpathy. God created the universe as an experiment to answer some question, and [[HaveYouSeenMyGod hasn't been performing his duties to it for years]], leaving it to fall apart from the lack of maintenance.
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* In ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'', the series BigBadEnsemble is between YHVH, who wants a world of total oppressive order, and Lucifer, who wants a world of unrestrained chaos. So not only are the demons complete dicks, so are the angels. This is why OmnicidalNeutral endings tend to be considered the best.
** Subverted though in that you DO get some genuinely helpful ones on either side. The Megami clan tends to have a lot of benevolent folks (that ARE nice to you should you meet them), Kishins are essentially honor-bound warriors, and even the Reapers and Fiends are mostly old coots looking for something new to stoke the fire. The kicker is that the moral extremes tend to have a lot more of the bad eggs than good ones. Extremes, in any point of the moral spectrum (Tyrants, Heralds, Fouls and Divines), are almost as a rule quite demented and tend to enforce their viewpoint a tad more [[KnightTemplar more zealously]] than other demons.
** Subverted though in that you DO get some genuinely helpful ones on either side. The Megami clan tends to have a lot of benevolent folks (that ARE nice to you should you meet them), Kishins are essentially honor-bound warriors, and even the Reapers and Fiends are mostly old coots looking for something new to stoke the fire. The kicker is that the moral extremes tend to have a lot more of the bad eggs than good ones. Extremes, in any point of the moral spectrum (Tyrants, Heralds, Fouls and Divines), are almost as a rule quite demented and tend to enforce their viewpoint a tad more [[KnightTemplar more zealously]] than other demons.
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* In ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'', the series BigBadEnsemble is between YHVH, who wants a world of total oppressive order, and Lucifer, who wants a world of unrestrained chaos. So not only are the demons complete dicks, so are the angels. angels, though there are usually sympathetic and helpful people on both sides. This is why OmnicidalNeutral endings tend to be considered the best.
** Subverted though in that you DO get some genuinely helpful ones on either side. The Megami clan tends to have a lot of benevolent folks (that ARE nice to you should you meet them), Kishins are essentially honor-bound warriors, and even the Reapers and Fiends are mostly old coots looking for something new to stoke the fire. The kicker is that the moral extremes tend to have a lot more of the bad eggs than good ones. Extremes, in any point of the moral spectrum (Tyrants, Heralds, Fouls and Divines), are almost as a rule quite demented and tend to enforce their viewpoint a tad more [[KnightTemplar more zealously]] than other demons.best.
** Subverted though in that you DO get some genuinely helpful ones on either side. The Megami clan tends to have a lot of benevolent folks (that ARE nice to you should you meet them), Kishins are essentially honor-bound warriors, and even the Reapers and Fiends are mostly old coots looking for something new to stoke the fire. The kicker is that the moral extremes tend to have a lot more of the bad eggs than good ones. Extremes, in any point of the moral spectrum (Tyrants, Heralds, Fouls and Divines), are almost as a rule quite demented and tend to enforce their viewpoint a tad more [[KnightTemplar more zealously]] than other demons.
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** ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'' is another aversion through BlackAndGrayMorality. In this game, God isn't a complete dick. On the one hand, he's done some shady things, [[spoiler: is responsible for setting Cain up to kill Abel]], and has put HumanityOnTrial with the penalty being [[spoiler: the end of free will as angels take control of humanity]]. But He has very valid reasons for testing humanity, since we've become a species powerful enough to control demons and potentially battle Him, and He actually wants humanity to succeed in handling the crisis and prove themselves worthy - while humans inside the lockdown [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters are doing their best to prove the opposite]]. Meanwhile, Lucifer's a jerk who's only involving himself for his own amusement, and the actual leader of the demons, Belberith, really is monstrously evil, seeking to take revenge against God by sadistically [[KillAllHumans murdering all his "children"]].
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* In ''Manga/{{Devilman}}'' [[spoiler: God is an EldritchAbomination who wants to murder demons only because his vision of order has no place for them, while Satan wants to wipe all humans from the face of Earth so demons can rule over it]]. In ''AMON'', the titular character opposes them both because, [[OrderVersusChaos as a chaotic spirit, he is not happy with either's vision of order]] and [[spoiler: God has put the world on a loop so Satan can fall in love with Akira and watch him die again and again and Satan realizes that he/she is quite insane]].
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* In ''Manga/{{Devilman}}'' ''Franchise/{{Devilman}}'' [[spoiler: God is an EldritchAbomination who wants to murder demons only because his vision of order has no place for them, while Satan wants to wipe all humans from the face of Earth so demons can rule over it]]. In ''AMON'', the titular character opposes them both because, [[OrderVersusChaos as a chaotic spirit, he is not happy with either's vision of order]] and [[spoiler: God has put the world on a loop so Satan can fall in love with Akira and watch him die again and again and Satan realizes that he/she is quite insane]].
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* It's revealed in ''Manga/TheSevenDeadlySins'' that both the Demon King and Supreme Deity are evil and view the Holy War between them as a game, killing millions for their amusement. The two of them actually usurped and sealed away the true god, Chaos, and once teamed up to curse the demon Melodias and the goddess Elizabeth for their [[AngelDevilShipping blasphemous relationship]].
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* It's revealed in ''Manga/TheSevenDeadlySins'' that both the Demon King and Supreme Deity are evil and view the Holy War between them as a game, killing millions for their amusement. The two of them actually usurped and sealed away the true god, Chaos, and once teamed up to curse the demon Melodias and the goddess Elizabeth Liz for their [[AngelDevilShipping blasphemous relationship]].
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* ''Manga/Bastard1988'' KnightTemplar angels as well as AlwaysChaoticEvil devils try to wipe out humanity, while fighting each other.
* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', the master demon slayer Guts has his eyes set on the Godhand, a quintet of archdevils who produce lesser ones to torment Midland. [[spoiler: It’s revealed in [[MissingEpisode Chapter 83]] that the Godhand were actually created by God to make the world as terrible a place as possible.]]
* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', the master demon slayer Guts has his eyes set on the Godhand, a quintet of archdevils who produce lesser ones to torment Midland. [[spoiler: It’s revealed in [[MissingEpisode Chapter 83]] that the Godhand were actually created by God to make the world as terrible a place as possible.]]
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* ''Manga/Bastard1988'' ''Manga/Bastard1988'': KnightTemplar angels as well as AlwaysChaoticEvil devils try to wipe out humanity, while fighting each other.
* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', the master demon slayer Guts has his eyes set on the Godhand, a quintet of archdevils who produce lesser ones to torment Midland. [[spoiler: It’s revealed in [[MissingEpisode Chapter 83]] that the Godhand were actually created by the Idea of Evil, a stand-in for both God and the Devil, to make the world as terrible a place as possible.]]
* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', the master demon slayer Guts has his eyes set on the Godhand, a quintet of archdevils who produce lesser ones to torment Midland. [[spoiler: It’s revealed in [[MissingEpisode Chapter 83]] that the Godhand were actually created by the Idea of Evil, a stand-in for both God and the Devil, to make the world as terrible a place as possible.]]
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* It's revealed in ''Manga/TheSevenDeadlySins'' that both the Demon King and Supreme Deity are evil and view the Holy War between them as a game, killing millions for their amusement. The two of them even actually usurped and sealed away the true god, Chaos, and once teamed up to curse the demon Melodias and the goddess Elizabeth for their [[AngelDevilShipping blasphemous relationship]].
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* If Creator/GarthEnnis is writing a comic book featuring Abrahamic religion, ''this trope will reign supreme''. ''ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'', ''ComicBook/TheChroniclesOfWormwood'', even his short run on ''Comicbook/GhostRider'' -- all portray Hell as petty and depraved and Heaven as self-centered and militant.
* This is true of ''Comicbook/{{Hellblazer}}'' in general - John Constantine is a spiritual anarchist who finds both sides repulsive and stands for common humanity against any sort of supernatural interference or exploitation.
* In ''Comicbook/{{Spawn}}'', the rulers of both Heaven and Hell are equally cruel and evil, and neither gives a lick of spit for the ultimate fate of humanity.
* This is true of ''Comicbook/{{Hellblazer}}'' in general - John Constantine is a spiritual anarchist who finds both sides repulsive and stands for common humanity against any sort of supernatural interference or exploitation.
* In ''Comicbook/{{Spawn}}'', the rulers of both Heaven and Hell are equally cruel and evil, and neither gives a lick of spit for the ultimate fate of humanity.
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* If Creator/GarthEnnis is writing a comic book featuring Abrahamic religion, ''this ''[[AuthorAppeal this trope will reign supreme''.supreme]]''. ''ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'', ''ComicBook/TheChroniclesOfWormwood'', even his short run on ''Comicbook/GhostRider'' -- all portray Hell as petty and depraved and Heaven as self-centered and militant.
* This is true of ''Comicbook/{{Hellblazer}}'' in general- -- John Constantine is a spiritual anarchist who finds both sides repulsive and stands for common humanity against any sort of supernatural interference or exploitation.
* In''Comicbook/{{Spawn}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Spawn}}'', the rulers of both Heaven and Hell are equally cruel and evil, and neither gives a lick of spit for the ultimate fate of humanity.
* This is true of ''Comicbook/{{Hellblazer}}'' in general
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*** Remember what was said about how some works with this trope still say JesusWasWayCool? In ''Spawn'', [[spoiler: Jesus was actually the Creator incarnated as a human being, but most of his teachings have been subverted, corrupted, or concealed by Christianity in order to twist humans into remaining, at least ostensibly, under God's yoke]].
* ''ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac'': [[spoiler:God is a lazy idiot and Satan is an AffablyEvil trickster who likes to give Nny a scare]].
* In Creator/WarrenEllis' ComicBook/{{Planetary}} there is a brief mention of some Russian scientists who discover that souls are merely electromagnetic fuel for a war between Heaven and Hell. They decide to check out on an A-Bomb, so that the EMP blast will destroy their souls.
* In ''Lobo'' 'verse, Satan is kind of the guy you'd expect him to be. But God... he just finds Lobo's [[RageAgainstTheHeavens rampage through Heaven]] funny. When an angel politely asks him to intervene, he throws an empty can of beer at the angel and tells him to get another one.
* Two characters from Creator/GrantMorrison's run on ''Comicbook/DoomPatrol'' - the Red Jack and the Shadowy Mr. Evans have claimed to be respectively God and Satan. If they were right, then this trope applies, but only a little compared to ''God And Satan Are Both Completely Bonkers''.
* In ''Comicbook/{{Lucifer}}'' both God and Lucifer himself tend to be uncaring while angels are KnightTemplar types who care little or nothing for humans either way and demons range from ForTheEvulz {{Card Carrying Villain}}s to just bored and unpleasant. There are exceptions on both sides but those are the general rules.
* ComicBook/LadyDeath had {{Satan}} as BigBad for her classic continuity and the forces of Heaven were depicted as not much better than the demons, using the souls of mortals who ascend to paradise to fuel a war machine in their war against {{Hell}}. {{God}} appeared briefly in one story as a DirtyOldMan who hits on the titular heroine and offers to "create the next Messiah" with her. However, he was revealed to be Satan in disguise not the real God.
* ''ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac'': [[spoiler:God is a lazy idiot and Satan is an AffablyEvil trickster who likes to give Nny a scare]].
* In Creator/WarrenEllis' ComicBook/{{Planetary}} there is a brief mention of some Russian scientists who discover that souls are merely electromagnetic fuel for a war between Heaven and Hell. They decide to check out on an A-Bomb, so that the EMP blast will destroy their souls.
* In ''Lobo'' 'verse, Satan is kind of the guy you'd expect him to be. But God... he just finds Lobo's [[RageAgainstTheHeavens rampage through Heaven]] funny. When an angel politely asks him to intervene, he throws an empty can of beer at the angel and tells him to get another one.
* Two characters from Creator/GrantMorrison's run on ''Comicbook/DoomPatrol'' - the Red Jack and the Shadowy Mr. Evans have claimed to be respectively God and Satan. If they were right, then this trope applies, but only a little compared to ''God And Satan Are Both Completely Bonkers''.
* In ''Comicbook/{{Lucifer}}'' both God and Lucifer himself tend to be uncaring while angels are KnightTemplar types who care little or nothing for humans either way and demons range from ForTheEvulz {{Card Carrying Villain}}s to just bored and unpleasant. There are exceptions on both sides but those are the general rules.
* ComicBook/LadyDeath had {{Satan}} as BigBad for her classic continuity and the forces of Heaven were depicted as not much better than the demons, using the souls of mortals who ascend to paradise to fuel a war machine in their war against {{Hell}}. {{God}} appeared briefly in one story as a DirtyOldMan who hits on the titular heroine and offers to "create the next Messiah" with her. However, he was revealed to be Satan in disguise not the real God.
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*** Remember what was said about how some works with this trope still say JesusWasWayCool? In ''Spawn'', [[spoiler: Jesus [[spoiler:Jesus was actually the Creator incarnated as a human being, but most of his teachings have been subverted, corrupted, or concealed by Christianity in order to twist humans into remaining, at least ostensibly, under God's yoke]].
* ''ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac'': [[spoiler:God is a lazy idiot and Satan is an AffablyEvil trickster who likes to give Nny ascare]].
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* InCreator/WarrenEllis' ComicBook/{{Planetary}} ''ComicBook/{{Planetary}}'', there is a brief mention of some Russian scientists who discover that souls are merely [[SoulPoweredEngine electromagnetic fuel fuel]] for a war between Heaven and Hell. They decide to check out on an A-Bomb, so that the EMP blast will [[CessationOfExistence destroy their souls.
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* In''Lobo'' 'verse, ''ComicBook/{{Lobo}}'', Satan is kind of the guy you'd expect him to be. But God... he just finds Lobo's [[RageAgainstTheHeavens rampage through Heaven]] funny. When an angel politely asks him to intervene, he throws an empty can of beer at the angel and tells him to get another one.
* Two characters from Creator/GrantMorrison's run on''Comicbook/DoomPatrol'' - ''ComicBook/DoomPatrol'' -- the Red Jack and the Shadowy Mr. Evans -- have claimed to be respectively God and Satan. If they were right, then this trope applies, but only a little compared to ''God And and Satan Are are Both Completely Bonkers''.
* In''Comicbook/{{Lucifer}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Lucifer}}'', both God and Lucifer himself tend to be uncaring while angels are KnightTemplar types who care little or nothing for humans either way and demons range from ForTheEvulz {{Card Carrying Villain}}s to just bored and unpleasant. There are exceptions on both sides but those are the general rules.
*ComicBook/LadyDeath had ''ComicBook/LadyDeath'' has {{Satan}} as BigBad for her in its classic continuity and the forces of Heaven were are depicted as not much better than the demons, [[SoulPoweredEngine using the souls of mortals who ascend to paradise to fuel a war machine machine]] in their war against {{Hell}}. {{God}} appeared appears briefly in one story as a DirtyOldMan who hits on the titular heroine and offers to "create the next Messiah" with her. However, he was is revealed to be Satan in disguise disguise, not the real God.
* ''ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac'': [[spoiler:God is a lazy idiot and Satan is an AffablyEvil trickster who likes to give Nny a
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* ''WesternAnimation/SausageParty'' has this as its theme. The "gods"--that is, the shoppers at the supermarket-- just want to eat the food characters, whereas the "Dark Lord"--the supermarket custodian-- throws the food away once it's passed its expiration date. Both are highly undesirable fates for the food, although [[spoiler: most of them don't know the "gods" eat them until the protagonist finds out firsthand]].
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* ''WesternAnimation/SausageParty'' has this as its theme. The "gods"--that "gods" -- that is, the shoppers at the supermarket-- supermarket -- just want to eat the food characters, whereas the "Dark Lord"--the Lord" -- the supermarket custodian-- custodian -- throws the food away once it's passed its expiration date. Both are highly undesirable fates for the food, although [[spoiler: most [[spoiler:most of them don't know that the "gods" eat them until the protagonist finds out firsthand]].first-hand]].
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* ''WebComic/ItHurts'': God and Satan are both massive jerks, what with Satan jerking Pasqualo around every chance he gets and God [[spoiler:sending Pasqualo on a SnipeHunt over something Pasqualo did in a ''past life'']] but that's not saying much when ''everyone'' in the universe is a jerk [[spoiler:except the forces of nature more powerful than God, Harmony and Chaos]]. They've also had their [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold heart of gold moments]], such as Satan lending Pasqualo his clothes and God giving Pasqualo a pep talk before [[spoiler:the SnipeHunt]]. It's also implied God and Satan are actually a ''couple''.
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* ''WebComic/ItHurts'': God and Satan are both massive jerks, what with Satan jerking Pasqualo around every chance he gets and God [[spoiler:sending Pasqualo on a SnipeHunt over something Pasqualo did in a ''past life'']] but that's not saying much when ''everyone'' in the universe is a jerk [[spoiler:except the forces of nature more powerful than God, Harmony and Chaos]]. They've also had their [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold heart of gold moments]], such as Satan lending Pasqualo his clothes and God giving Pasqualo a pep talk before [[spoiler:the SnipeHunt]]. It's also implied God and Satan are actually a ''couple''.''lovers''.
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* ''WebComic/ItHurts'': God and Satan are both massive jerks, what with Satan jerking Pasqualo around every chance he gets and God [[spoiler:sending Pasqualo on a SnipeHunt over something Pasqualo did in a ''past life'']] but that's not saying much when ''everyone'' in the universe is a jerk [[spoiler:except the forces of nature more powerful than God, Harmony and Chaos]]. They've also had their [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold heart of gold moments]], such as Satan lending Pasqualo his clothes and God giving Pasqualo a pep talk before [[spoiler:the SnipeHunt]]. It's also implied God and Satan are actually a ''couple''.
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JerkassGods is the polytheistic equivalent. Compare EvilVersusEvil as well as GodIsFlawed. Often a reason for getting a live round in ReligiousRussianRoulette within the WorldOfJerkass.
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JerkassGods is the polytheistic equivalent. Compare EvilVersusEvil as well as GodIsFlawed. Often a reason for getting a live round in ReligiousRussianRoulette within the WorldOfJerkass.
WorldOfJerkass. Also see HeavensDevils where God and Satan are on the same side.
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* In ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'', not only are the demons complete dicks, so are the angels. This is why OmnicidalNeutral endings tend to be considered the best.
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* In ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'', the series BigBadEnsemble is between YHVH, who wants a world of total oppressive order, and Lucifer, who wants a world of unrestrained chaos. So not only are the demons complete dicks, so are the angels. This is why OmnicidalNeutral endings tend to be considered the best.
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* It's a bad sign when both god and the devil are SealedEvilInACan. Such is the case in the ''VideoGame/EpicBattleFantasy'' series. Of the two, [[spoiler:Godcat]] is the bigger jerkass. While [[spoiler:Akron]] is more or less only doing what it was created to do (cause destruction) having long forgotten why, [[spoiler:Godcat]] is a jealous and spiteful deity who cursed her subjects [[spoiler:to have no arms and legs]] merely because they became too friendly with humans. That being said, [[spoiler: Godcat pretty much '''is''' both the "God" and "Satan" figure at the same time. She appears as two entities, a light-aligned form that pilots a mechanical tank called the Creator, and a dark-aligned form that controls some sort of demonic flesh vehicle called the Destroyer. Oh, and she '''created''' Akron; while his design is much closer to the Destroyer, both forms of Godcat are '''very''' willing to wipe out humanity]].
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* It's a bad sign when both god and the devil are SealedEvilInACan. Such is the case in the ''VideoGame/EpicBattleFantasy'' series. Of the two, [[spoiler:Godcat]] is the bigger jerkass. While [[spoiler:Akron]] is more or less only doing what it was created to do (cause destruction) having long forgotten why, [[spoiler:Godcat]] is a jealous and spiteful deity who cursed her subjects [[spoiler:to have no arms and legs]] merely because they became too friendly with humans. That being said, [[spoiler: Godcat pretty much '''is''' both the "God" and "Satan" figure at the same time. She appears as two entities, a light-aligned form that pilots a mechanical tank called the Creator, and a dark-aligned form that controls some sort of demonic flesh vehicle called the Destroyer. Oh, and she '''created''' Akron; while his design is much closer to the Destroyer, both forms of Godcat are '''very''' willing to wipe out humanity]].humanity. And Godcat is not even the real divine creator, but herself a creation of the Devourer, who is even worse as it is a massive ControlFreak that wants to wipe out the entire Earth to get rid of all threats to its control]].
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* The ''Monster Girl Quest'' series has this with [[spoiler:[[TreacherousAdvisor Goddess]] [[BigBad Ilias]] and the original MonsterLord Alice I, the God and Satan equivalents respectively. Ilias lies about being the creator of the entire world, claiming the monsters were her failed creations, and forbids her human worshippers from being in relationships with monsters (which would lead to the latter's extinction, since they're a OneGenderRace). When she deems humanity to be a failure, she plans to wipe them out and start over. Alice I (the actual creator of monsters) is shown to not be any better in the sequel ''Monster Girl Quest: Paradox''. Here there's an alternate universe in which her side won against Ilias, resulting in a brutal MightMakesRight world (there's also another universe where Ilias won, resulting in a world where everyone is under her strict control)]].
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* The ''Monster Girl Quest'' series has this with [[spoiler:[[TreacherousAdvisor Goddess]] [[BigBad Goddess Ilias]] and the original MonsterLord Alice I, the God and Satan equivalents respectively. Ilias lies about being the creator of the entire world, claiming the monsters were her failed creations, and forbids her human worshippers from being in relationships with monsters (which would lead to the latter's extinction, since they're a OneGenderRace). When she deems humanity to be a failure, she plans to wipe them out and start over. Alice I (the actual creator of monsters) is shown to not be any better in the sequel ''Monster Girl Quest: Paradox''. Here there's an alternate universe in which her side won against Ilias, resulting in a brutal MightMakesRight world (there's also another universe where Ilias won, resulting in a world where everyone is under her strict control)]].
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* ''VideoGame/DoomEternal'' has the [[AngelicAliens Makyrs of Urdak]] who are actively colluding with TheLegionsOfHell to invade Earth.
** [[spoiler:Davoth, the Overlord of Hell, was the original God, but he became [[SanitySlippage obsessed with mass-producing immortality and grew unhinged]] to the point that the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Makyrs feared his descent into madness and overthrew him]], electing one among them as the new Father. [[WrittenByTheWinners Half of ancient mythology is built on a lie uplifting the current Father]], while Davoth is an OmnicidalManiac who wants to preserve demons by exterminating everything with a soul]].
** [[spoiler:Davoth, the Overlord of Hell, was the original God, but he became [[SanitySlippage obsessed with mass-producing immortality and grew unhinged]] to the point that the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Makyrs feared his descent into madness and overthrew him]], electing one among them as the new Father. [[WrittenByTheWinners Half of ancient mythology is built on a lie uplifting the current Father]], while Davoth is an OmnicidalManiac who wants to preserve demons by exterminating everything with a soul]].
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* ''VideoGame/DoomEternal'' has the [[AngelicAliens Makyrs of Urdak]] who are actively colluding with TheLegionsOfHell to invade Earth.
**Earth. [[spoiler:Davoth, the Overlord of Hell, was the original God, but he became [[SanitySlippage obsessed with mass-producing immortality and grew unhinged]] to the point that the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Makyrs feared his descent into madness and overthrew him]], electing one among them as the new Father. [[WrittenByTheWinners Half of ancient mythology is built on a lie uplifting the current Father]], while Davoth is an OmnicidalManiac who wants to preserve demons by exterminating everything with a soul]].
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* In the ''VideoGame/{{Annventure}}'' series, The Killer/[[spoiler:Tyrannia]] is the local SatanicArchetype and BigBad of the first two games who leads an army of demons and monsters in rampaging throughout the world, with the intention of overthrowing the god of the setting and seizing his power to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy everything]]. Said god, [[spoiler:the Grand Creator Yoobii]], is far more AffablyEvil and not nearly as bad, but is still a callous deity who abandons his creations whenever they disappoint him, and eventually [[spoiler:tries to wipe out his universe himself out of self-loathing and insecurity]].
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So, here's the solution: make it so that neither side is all that helpful. In this situation, God and Satan Are Both Jerks, and neither has humanity's best interests in mind. Hell and Satan will typically be portrayed in the classical fashion, but God and Heaven will usually be portrayed as {{Knight Templar}}s who don't give a crap about humanity, exulting in their own glories or focusing all their firepower on the fight against Hell with little care for civilian casualties. There is no difference in morality any longer and the only things kept from the Abrahamic religion is that it's all about a dominant god fighting against a less powerful rebellious entity who wishes to take over and/or destroy all of creation. It may as well be a war between [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]].
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So, here's the solution: make it so that neither side is all that helpful. In this situation, God and Satan Are Both Jerks, and neither has humanity's best interests in mind. Hell and Satan will typically be portrayed in the classical fashion, but God and Heaven will usually be portrayed as {{Knight Templar}}s who don't give a crap about humanity, exulting in their own glories or focusing all their firepower on the fight against Hell with little care for civilian casualties. There is no difference in morality any longer and the only things kept from the Abrahamic religion is that it's all about a dominant god fighting against a less powerful rebellious entity who wishes to take over and/or destroy all of creation. It may as well be a war between [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]].
{{Eldritch Abomination}}s. To further avoid offending mainstream religious audiences, the writer may also use a DemiurgeArchetype in place of the evil God while having the real God be a case of GodIsGood.
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* ''Manga/{{Bastard}}'' KnightTemplar angels as well as AlwaysChaoticEvil devils try to wipe out humanity, while fighting each other.
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* ''Manga/{{Bastard}}'' ''Manga/Bastard1988'' KnightTemplar angels as well as AlwaysChaoticEvil devils try to wipe out humanity, while fighting each other.
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* It's revealed in ''Manga/TheSevenDeadlySins'' that both the Demon King and Supreme Deity are evil and view the Holy War between them as a game. The two of them even once teamed up to curse the demon Melodias and the goddess Elizabeth for their [[AngelDevilShipping blasphemous relationship]].
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* It's revealed in ''Manga/TheSevenDeadlySins'' that both the Demon King and Supreme Deity are evil and view the Holy War between them as a game. game, killing millions for their amusement. The two of them even usurped and sealed away the true god, Chaos, and once teamed up to curse the demon Melodias and the goddess Elizabeth for their [[AngelDevilShipping blasphemous relationship]].
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* In the 2011 version of ''Manga/DororonEnmaKun'': [[spoiler:In the final two episodes, Heaven and Hell agree to kill off billions of humans in order to [[HumanResources harvest their souls for "soulperglue."]]]]
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* In the 2011 version of ''Manga/DororonEnmaKun'': ''Anime/GhastlyPrinceEnmaBurningUp'': [[spoiler:In the final two episodes, Heaven and Hell agree to kill off billions of humans in order to [[HumanResources harvest their souls for "soulperglue."]]]]
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* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', the master demon slayer Guts has his eyes set on the Godhand, a quintet of archdevils who produce lesser ones to torment Midland. [[spoiler: It’s revealed in [[MissingEpisode Chapter 83]] that the Godhand were actually created by God to make the world as terrible a place as possible.]]
* The plot of ''Manga/FutureDiary'' is kicked off when the dying TopGod, Deus Ex Machina, decides to choose a successor by forcing twelve ([[spoiler: actually thirteen]]) people to fight each other to the death for the throne. It turns out that he never had to set up the game at all, but decided that just choosing a successor would be too boring. On the other hand, [[spoiler: it’s revealed that Yuno Gasai, or rather the First World version, had already won the game, and plans to keep invading other universes to play it over and over, with a never-ending list of victims and destroyed worlds to her name.]]
* The plot of ''Manga/FutureDiary'' is kicked off when the dying TopGod, Deus Ex Machina, decides to choose a successor by forcing twelve ([[spoiler: actually thirteen]]) people to fight each other to the death for the throne. It turns out that he never had to set up the game at all, but decided that just choosing a successor would be too boring. On the other hand, [[spoiler: it’s revealed that Yuno Gasai, or rather the First World version, had already won the game, and plans to keep invading other universes to play it over and over, with a never-ending list of victims and destroyed worlds to her name.]]
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* The ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series's central theme is OrderVersusChaos, and the two sides of the argument have their respective representatives in the forces of Heaven and Hell, both of whom see humanity as pawns and resources to be used. God offers peace and an end to suffering, but only if you submit to the whims of a tyrant who wants to replace free will with mindless worship. Lucifer might claim his rebellion will grant humanity true freedom, but his end goal is often the spiteful destruction of the world, God's creation, leaving a truly free and lawless wasteland where humans and demons will have to kill and fight every day to live.
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* The ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series's central theme is OrderVersusChaos, and the two sides of the argument have their respective representatives in the forces of Heaven and Hell, both of whom see humanity as pawns and resources to be used. God offers peace and an end to suffering, but only if you submit to the whims of a tyrant who wants to replace free will with mindless worship. Lucifer might claim his rebellion will grant humanity true freedom, but his end goal is often the spiteful destruction of the world, God's creation, leaving a truly free and lawless wasteland where humans and demons will have to kill and fight every day to live.
